tomorrow, donald trump strategist, paul manafort will be with us on this show, on this set. until then, my friends, from us, sayonara. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. trump to reince priebus, you're fired. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, up in new york. it's a hostile takeover. donald trump going to war with the republican party, someone named reince priebus. over the delegate selection process. he told the hill newspaper it is a disgrace for the party and reince priebus should be ashamed of himself because he knows what's going on. trump who has won the most votes and garnered the most delegates, corrupt and a scan. here he was on cnn last night. >> the colorado thing was very, very unfair. i thought louisiana was very

unfair. i won louisiana. i won it easily. >> the popular vote. >> because of all the shenanigans that go on. >> those are the rules. didn't you know those rules. >> i know the rules very well. i know it's stacked against me by the establishment. >> in response to the charges from trump, clearly exacerbated priebus tweeted, isn't that great, reince priebus tweeted, it's the responsibility of the campaigns to understand it, complaints now, give us all a break. well, is the party heading for a candidate with the most delegates used to stop him before the republican convention come july? nicholas, reporter for "the new york times," linda stacey, new york daily news, very impressive daily news, bob cusack, a game you ride the ref, in this case, reince priebus is not a big a guy, he he is riding him, look,

if i don't get the nomination, i'm getting screwed. this little guy is the one doing it to me, because he is letting it happen. he is sitting there letting everybody play their games to keep the guy with the most votes, the most delegates from being the nominee. which most americans think is democracy. >> i think he is putting priebus on notice, just like he did with the third party bid. he is upset. calling him out. they're not going to agree on colorado. they're not going to have a revote. but there are other priebus will have to make calls, who is going to chair that rules committee. it will be very important. this also helps trump, because this is an antiestablishment move. he is trying to grab momentum back after losing wisconsin. trump sees it as a win/win. >> here in new york, you are allowed to be mouth i didn't he hear here. >> we're always mouthy.

knocking reince priebus, nobody knows or likes him. >> i don't know him, i dislike him because of his name. >> he is a very popular party leader. >> among who. >> among republicans. donors. there is no evidence for anything that trump is saying about priebus that is stacking it, rigging it. he is just at playing this game, trump. and he is mad at about it and he woke up one day and he realized he doesn't get the rules. >> would you like to be there conceptualize this. explain to the republican people who voted for trump, the most delegates, we're going to give it to someone else? how do you explain that, the american people is getting more and more democratic, lower case d. we're going away from presidents being picked by the house of representatives in the old days. much more democratic, and saying no, we're going back to the smoke filled rooms, a guy named

reince priebus going to decide who the president is. >> i'm not saying it is a good system. >> i'm saying reince has to defend it. >> exactly. it's the same system a year ago, two years ago, the problem is, it is rigged, and it's rigged on purpose. the party is a private institution, it picks its own leadership. >> the public doesn't think that way about baseball or football teams. you don't think you're private companies. you think of them as the city teams. >> that's the whole point. they are private. they're private. they make the rules. people think when you go to vote, that you're just going to vote and my guy will win if we get the most. it has nothing to do with that. after mcgovern, with the democrats, they rigged it so that couldn't happen again, so they couldn't lose that way, they can control it. so we're not -- it's not democracy. we're being controlled by the parties. he is not wrong. not that he didn't know. >> this could be the window that opens in this big fight about how many votes, he doesn't need

it, 1,237. the rules committee, randy he have anna-- evans, how trump can at the convention. eye-opener here. >> if donald trump exceeds 1,100 votes, he'll become the nominee, even though he may not have 1,237. if he gets less than 1,000 delegates, then i think we're looking at i contested convention that could go on for many, many days. and then in the middle, there is that gray area between 101,100, and that's where the unbound delegates or the ones released by other candidates come into play. >> at least somebody has a thought here. i keep asking, what's a gimme here, if he doesn't get 1,237 here, is it 1,137. this guy says if it's 100, it's a victory. contested election, but over 1,000, he could still win it then. >> but i don't know who randy

evans is. >> a member of the rules committee. >> the truth is, these -- this guy has changed all the rules. this is going to be an absolute free-for-all. and -- >> not exactly. if the republican party gives this nomination to somebody who finds their way of squirrelling in, take his delegates with him, walk across the street and saying i'm having nothing to do with this party and really smart, he won't run third party, he'll bring the house down. >> that's what i said. he'll bring the house down if i don't win, there will be a riot, that's what he means. he has fractured the party so badly, i don't know, they look foolish now. they're limping along. >> if he can't organize better, he won't have 1,000 delegates follow him out of the convention. they'll be ted cruz delegates. >> explain the thing linda and i

have been talking about here. if trump gets the most votes and delegates, don't people think you know what, that's what we think is democracy. that's how we think it works. >> absolutely. a huge gap between the perception. >> a second ago, you were saying you're the mechanic of the party rules committee. >> the rules are the rules and they haven't changed. he is saying the rules have been changed, they're being rigged against me. they were rigged years ago before he was a candidate. >> everything he does is gigantic, so now he says it, everybody will say they're right. he has this very odd way of making everybody just pay attention to him. >> bob, i have a sense that the republicans who voted for trump aren't as docile who voted for al gore than w. they just said this is the way the system works, it's the electoral college, we'll live with it, okay. i am not sure the trump-ites are like that. >> no, i don't think they're

like that at all. that's why there is concern about protests in cleveland. whether it's trump or cruz, there will be one side or maybe somebody else, but i think it will be trump or cruz probably. there will be somebody very upset and their supporters will be very upset. they're not docile at all. he will not fade into the background. >> what will they do with the body? what do you do with the body? trump is defeated after the most votes, what do you do with them? bury them somewhere. he'll be alive, own the media, he'll be everywhere. there won't be a show on television who want want him as a guest immediately after he gets screwed, he'll be everywhere. >> he'll hand it to the democrats. if he doesn't win, he'll hand it, he'll give them a giant -- >> if he does win, he probably still hands it to the democrats. >> not by his hands. he'll try to hand. if hillary gets in trouble, it's a possibility he wins the whole thing.

>> the polls show he is not in great shape to win and ted cruz is not in great shape to win. >> i've been in new york all my life, trump would have come this far ever, because at the beginning, i was saying that the delegates. >> would he have believed it, linda? >> no. >> i have a theory he never thought this would work. >> i don't think he thought it would work. he is a publicity hound. >> do you have the nerve to answer my question here. >> is the monkey that typed merry christmas. he is at the typewriter, he happened to type merry christmas. when he said -- >> no. >> we have a country or we don't. when he captured the spirit months ago, do you think he knew he was doing it? >> yes, i think he knows how to win. that's what he knows how to do. i've known him for many years. i've never known him to be a racist, i've never known him to be a sexist. he knows how to win. he looked and said these are the people that nobody has the nerve to talk to.

>> yeah, i know who they are, too. >> i'm going to talk to them outloud. >> you live in new york, you couldn't build -- >> i grew up in philly, i'm in washington. >> what about cruz, i'm going to let you go, miss stacey, until you tell me what you think about cruz's comment, he said on the glenn beck show, he talked about dealing with mobsters. here is a typical, typical ted cruz, mccarthy comment. let's watch. >> the idea that donald is threatening delegates, we're seeing this pattern over and over again, and donald trump's campaign put out publicly his supporters, the phone number of the state chairman, he has received over 3,000 calls of death threats. donald needs to understand he is not michael core leleone, busin

deals with mobsters he has had, but the wepresidency should note cos nostra. he makes these accusations that trump is mobbed up, clear as a bell. what do you make as of that. >> i as an italian resent that comment. because the truth is, every time somebody is bad, they're immediately mobsters, immediately italian. i have had -- that's a very racist thing to say and that ain't going to fly here in new york, teddy boy. that ain't going to fly. a lot of them, a lot of italian-americans is as racist is what trump says about mexicans. you cannot say that. and if you're builder in new york, you can't even -- how -- everybody in new york knows somebody that's in prison or in the mob or something. if you're in the media, you do. what he said is racist. >> i don't know anybody in the

mob. >> i don't know anybody in the mob. >> bob, do you know anybody in the mob. >> have you not interviewed anybody -- >> i don't want to know. >> these are people that we've run across that -- >> i don't want to go to that restaurant you're supposed to go to meet them. >> what restaurant? >> oh, come on. you know what that restaurant is -- wall streeters. it's full of wall streeters. >> another one up somewhere else. uptown. thank you. what do i know. i'm from philly. we don't have that in philly. linda stacey, wow, that was quite a line there. that's what i called a moment. bob, thank you. i'll be sitting down with ohio governor john kasich in a town hall out of long island. you could catch it at 7:00 p.m. eastern, with kasich, who has some things to say about donald trump. coming up right now, jane sanders will join us on the set in new york. is that how you say it, new york, new york.

i'll ask the top supporter for bernie sanders about his prospects in new york and the path toward victory when democrats meet in philly. >> former congressman anthony wiener will be here. a columnist now with a great american newspaper, the daily news. who would have thought new york could have become the epi center of politics. the round table will be here to talk about. let's finish with donald trump's trump card. democracy. this is "hardball," the place for politics. you totaled your brand new car.

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i used to like that song. we will win a major victory here in new york next tuesday. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was bernie sanders, of course. tuesday predicting a major victory in new york, which is coming up next tuesday. today, he is trying to get some of the momentum he'll need to pull off that. this morning, he received the endorsement of the local transport union workers, they run everything that moves in the city, including most employees of the subway and bus lines here in new york. he also scored an endorsement from a u.s. senator, jeff merkley from oregon wrote we need a wholesale re-thinking of how our economy and for whom

they work. the only democratic to back sanders, while 40 senators have endorsed clinton. sanders joined verizon employees on a picket line in brobrooklyn he fired up a crowd. here he is. >> thank you for your courage and standing up for justice against corporate greed. this is just another major american corporation trying to destroy the lives of working americans. >> well, the new -- it was wider than that, however, sanders as i said has closed the gap, gaining eight points since march. clinton has dropped by three there. he went up by eight, she went up

by three. jane sanders, i'm honored to have you on. you're not like a sideliner. i can talk with you in "hardball" terminology, right? >> you can. >> are you a paul. >> no, i am a wife. >> let me ask you about bernie sanders, the real bernie sanders. he always strikes me as a guy who had a belief, maybe when he was 20, maybe he was 22, maybe inherited the democratic -- i'm not knocking it. i know how to talk too. democratic socialist. okay, where did it come from with him? where did he develop that philosophy? >> i think he learned early on that some people having a lot, some people having very little and not getting a fair shot, it wasn't fair. and he felt it was unjust and he has always been that way. when he ran for president of his senior class, he ran on a platform to raise money for korean orphans, and he lost the race, but his opponent raised money in the class did that. >> was that in high school. >> high school.

>> in brooklyn. >> i always thought his life was almost like, it didn't have to relate to entirely to reality. he goes from brooklyn to the university of chicago, very elite school, and politically in the 60s, he is a little older than me, it was the left. it was like ann arbor, berkeley, a place where the antiwar movement was. he becomes a flat lander up in vermont. ben & jerry's country. >> town meetings happen. >> did he pick it out where his politics can flourish? >> no, no. >> you're sure. >> yeah. >> why did he pick vermont. >> things happen when you're kid. he came to new york with his brother and saw the tourist bureau and they had all of this information on vermont. ages ago. when he was like 12. and it never left him. then he went -- >> he immigrated to vermont. he ran and lost on this -- liberty, left party, and he lost and lost and lost, until finally

he got elected mayor of burlington where he could prove himself. >> he ran as an independent. >> and then he could make the elevation to congress and senate, right? >> he hadn't, you know, all the time, i met him when he won mayor by ten votes. >> is that why you liked him, he is a winner? >> maybe. i organized the debate when he was running. i listened to him. i said this guy embodies everything i've ever believed him. i want to work with him, before he won. i'm pure. >> he is too in certain ways. national action network, hillary clinton turned her attention from the democratic race to republican front-runner donald trump. here is hillary clinton today. >> despite our best efforts and our highest hopes, america's long struggle with racism is far from finished. we are seeing that in this election. when the front-runner for the

republican nomination was asked in a national television interview, to disavow david duke and other white supremists, he played could i. this is the same donald trump for the birther movement to delegitima delegitimate barack obama. they've burst into the open and everyone sees this bigotry for what it is. >> it was great having jane sanders. she thought we didn't talk enough issues, we talked about her husband, because a lot of people don't know who the guy is. that's always a good perspective. it's important. any way, i'm joined by cornell, jumping in ahead of time. we're joined by the former new

york city council, christine quinn, who almost won the race last time, who supports hillary clinton as well as cornell belcher. let's talk about this new york politics here. it is really rough. i think bernie is not getting hur heard. cruz doesn't know where he is at. trump is playing it like a tuba. >> he is home. i was actually at reverend sharpton's event when hillary was there and hee was fantastic. she is knowledgeable, comfortable in the audience, in a setting that in a way sanders is getting there on. >> let's talk turkey. we're talking about ethnicity here. this thing about chemistry, you know, i think get it, but i am a white guy, so it is hard for me to get it. what is it about the sense that you can get in a crowd of people, a church often, that these people visiting are comfortable here, or not? >> i think it speaks whoto who y are. when someone is not comfortable

with you, you don't want to support that person. she has a comfort level. again, she has been doing it longer, it's not a knock against sanders, but it come as cross and it is a connection with this group that he is missing. when you looked at the maryland poll, you look at the states where you have diverse electorates, he is missing latinos. >> have you noticed about hillary clinton, not everybody i grew up in a pretty white neighborhood, catholic, everybody was white, irish or italian. >> i can relate. >> our protestant neighbors, we knew who they were, but we didn't hang out with them. that's for sure. that's weird. today, the clintons, if you are from the south, you have large black population, that's what the south is, cotton culture and all that. hillary clinton has surrounded herself, it does seem, she doesn't surround herself with a white crowd at all politically. >> i think secretary clinton is somebody who values diversity.

>> really closed in, yeah. >> she values diversity, they help you pull policy together. let me say why was secretary clinton so good today at the national action network. a number of reasons. one, she is in her hometown. that's not her first time with reverend sharpton. that's not even her tenth time at a sharpton event. she knows the issues of importance to the african-american and latino communities. >> how do you run the show -- who wins when you are there with sharpton. >> it's the reverend's event. >> i think he decides where his head is going, and his heart is going. >> she has been at his events, always responded when he has raised issues of concern for the african-american, latino and low income community. you can't show up. you've got to have proved yourself before election day,

and she has. >> cornell, how much of the city has tribalized, you get a spanish, el salvador, is it done by that, people? >> i think the whole country is tribaliz tribalized? >> not out west in california. my wife is -- they know what i'm talking about when i say italians, they don't know what this is. >> when you're latino in l.a. understand that. that's not necessarily a bad thing, but each ethnic group, they do have their issues, their interests, and its owes okay to talk to them about their interests and what's important to their communities. >> do the leaders direct the vote? >> that's part of the problem. that's what you're seeing with the black lives matter which i have on msnbc right now. so many of the young people are saying no disrespect to the old icons, but they don't speak for us. >> i don't think anybody controls votes any more, like it used to be in the old time ward

bosses. the issue of putting together a coalition, that's what you need to get elected president of the united states. if you look at who is supporting secretary clinton, to date, she has gotten 2.4 million more votes than sanders, she has a diverse coalition. does she have to do more for young voters, but he does not have that diverse coalition. >> so bernie -- >> they never have, but they certainly don't now. >> i see what you're wearing, christine. go ahead. >> one of the things i do want to say that's problematic for hillary, young people at 30% of them saying they won't support her going in there. the party will have to work really hard -- >> you know what, hillary voters said the same thing about then senator obama. people will change. >> listen, listen, i think that requires -- any way, getting the young people to vote again is important. thank you cornell, thank you christine. quite a duo here. up next, anthony wiener coming

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the banks. he has had trouble answering foreign policy questions. and so i look forward to a debate that is in new york with people asking the kind of questions that new yorkers ask. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was hillary clinton, poking her rival, bernie sanders, questioning whether he is surviving the scrutiny that comes with the rough and tumble of new york city politics. one who knows all about how tough it is, former congressman anthony wiener, also a columnist now with the new york daily news. you're smiling at me, but this is something you know very well. it's not just 24 hours. it's hour-to-hour. >> well, also, the other thing that happens is this is the one race where the candidates come to where this culldron of where the media is. they think they all know it. it is rough and tumble, but to some degree it hasn't changed all that much. subway swipes, arthur avenue, it hasn't changed much.

it's still bernie chasing hillary. >> who is the home team? >> i mean -- >> it seems like hillary to me. >> hillary knows this stuff. it is one thing to be born here. she represented this area not so long ago and also stayed in touch with it. so she has the advantage on that. she has the she'll win the debates. she not on the best on her feet politician, but when it comes to answering questions, she is good at that stuff. >> what do you think the problem is, isn't the one you know, you know hillary, when you're with her, she is a regular person, speak no-- >> i have to tell you this, great behind closed doors, writing law, great congressmen and good and glib, shaking hands and that kind of stuff. she doesn't have that. we've talked to this a bunch of

times. she is held to a high standard. >> bill. that's her high standard. >> she is exactly the kind of person you want to be president in 2016. just so you don't get my wife is the advice chavice chair of the >> i know. i closed this document working, i hope it will be out by sunday here. she is a veteran, she has been through a lot of battles. it's almost like you've seen a war movie, where the guy has been through so many fights, at least i got a guy who has been through a lot of wars, are truts them to get through it without choking. >> she is not a bleeder, like a boxer. i think that's what increasingly democratic primary voters are starting to think about. they know they can't afford that much of arising on the other side. they can't afford that much of a risk against trump or cruz in the general election, so they want someone who has been through the ringer. >> explain the socialist, i

nth noticed a few red diaper babies. young people don't mind it. >> young people don't mind it, and you probably see it on the upper west side and heck yeah, and frankly, i don't get thrown by it either, throwing those types of things around. don't really work here. you know, look, but the primary is not as liberal as you might think. because you know, look, there are a lot of suburban blue collar democratic votes that probably don't look in the mirror and say i'm a liberal. >> for the ethnic areas. >> i know the phrase. >> the anthony wiener thanks for coming on. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics tonight. ow fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast. it's not how fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast.

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welcome back to "hardball." donald trump is hoping win all the 95 delegates at stake next tuesday in new york state, here. where he enjoys a home field advantage. in a piece titled long island fertile ground for donald trump, nick who was here earlier, notes the working class and the suburbs, but long island looms a broader appeal. but one that has turned against mr. trump in states like, i never think of these states as big suburban states, iowa, northern virginia means women. the 2008 primary, represents 19% of the state electorate, more

than new york city, 12% of the republican vote that was that year. as the "wall street journal" reported last month, the primary so far, polls suggest a weakness could hurt him. march showed a hypothetical general election matchup, trump would lose suburban voters by 13 points, 51-38. mitt romney won by two states. that's a switch around. i'm joined by the round table. radio host, powerful signal here, describes himself as a big trump supporter. mark simmone, i've got to go to you, this whole thing, i don't know how donald trump can lose to a guy named ted cruz who knocks new york values, out of towner, no urban aspect to him and uses mccarthy to don car

leanly -- carleone. >> when you try to steal trump's act, you've got to know how to do it. >> it doesn't stick. >> you've got to do know how to do this stuff. that's why long island is trump country. you can drive around with a trump bumper sticker, you'll be fine. you might say what about the rudeness, he is mr. rogers on long island. >> sabrina, are you surprised, new york city, media, every two hours, has to be retanked, refilled, looking for something that hurts, every two hours, they want something that hurts the politician. >> i think that it's interesting, because there is this narrative of donald trump struggling among suburban republican voters, so people are watching long island, does that mean he'll have trouble there. i don't think it's necessarily true in new york, because it doesn't resemble iowa or

virginia. >> the new york suburb is a guy who left 20 years ago. >> exactly. so donald trump, you have to remember, does well in states that do not resemble the traditional republican party. you think about massachusetts, which afforded him 49% of the vote. you're not dealing with republican whose are socially conservative like they were in iowa. who else would they vote for. iowa and virginia -- >> nobody cares. >> but over here, they don't have another choice, and donald trump is a local hometown guy. maybe john kasich will get some votes. >> i don't think people rote on the gay rights issues. a great movie, "brooklyn" an irish immigrant arrives here, a great guy, i kept thinking he'll do something wrong, great guy, at the end of the movie, made it in this country in brooklyn, they are talking about a buying a house on long island. that's the american story right there. >> queens, the hometown son to them. >> look, he is a number of

advantages. you put your finger on it in the beginning. nobody else to vote for, right. >> cruz. >> they're not going to vote for them. they've never heard of them and they're not going to vote for them. they've watched him on tv. he is from queens. the republican machine on long island, not the greatest, sort of a tamly style old somewhat corrupt political machine is completely behind trump. the county leader -- >> is that damato's old crowd. >> yes. you know why, the outsider rhetoric, they've done business with this guy and his family for 50 years. i mean, please. >> you're leaning your head down. >> no -- >> have done business with him. you sound like cruz calling them the mob. >> no, not mob. just straight forward, legal graft what we call it. the empire was built in new york. >> let me tell you, i've lived my life in washington.

i lived my life with my wife, too, but the fact is, new york is the media center of the world. john lennon, the center of the conscience of the universe. any baseball player, all we hear about is the jets, you know, and anybody else, or the giants. that's all we hear about. the rangers, that's all we hear about. my thinking is if trump wins here next tuesday, it's going to be tuba sounding all over the world. >> sinatra, you could make it here, you can make it any where. a guy like trump, building buildings, imagine what you have to deal with in new york, inspectors, regulators, who you have to take care of. >> how many jobs has reince priebus created? is that too cruel. given that, these buildings have to go up. >> the trump organization, i know the company well, everybody has been there 30 years, 10,000 employees, you never heard an

employee say something bad about him. >> a lot of independents, you're talking about in the country, new york is going to vote for hillary in the general. >> i was going to say, one group to watch when you're looking at is women. remember what happened in wisconsin, he overwhelmingly lost with suburban women. when you're breaking it down. >> northern virginia came to washington and moved over there. >> whether you're in virginia, ohio, go across the swing states and the married women will could you please tell a great deal. >> in the primary they have nobody to vote for, in the general, they will. >> there is not a ted cruz waiting for them. there is a hillary clinton waiting for them probably. >> he encouraged him to run, if you're republican, even a republican leaning commentator, how can you be for that? here is how he responded by the way. >> if they take it from you, you have to go through third party. >> i'm going to look. i'm going to see.

i have to be treated fairly, otherwise i'll be doing something people will be shocked at. they have to treat me fairly. >> he said he was going to run third party. >> why do you push him. >> as long as we're the godfather theme, business is business. >> for you. when it split, we saw when teddy roosevelt, a lot of us heros, he runs against taft in 1912, and all of a sudden, we have wilson. that's what happens. no party can split and still win. >> that is what you're saying and every expert would say it's impossible. >> whenever that's the case, trump pulls it off. if anybody can pull it off, it is him. >> you're laughing. >> it's great to have mark explaining this. >> the left, this is great. because what happened with ross perot. he killed, i think on purpose, killed george senior. >> he is not third party, he'll be on tv day and night zuf ae got to nominate him then.

>> yeah. >> the radio the day after he gets nominated, it happens around midnight usually, he gets nominated, he gets 1,237, or close enough to get the gimme. >> he'll get 1,500. >> okay, how do you defend the presidential campaign, the real thing? how do you defend it. >> heaven. throw out the donors, throw out the lobbyists, 90% is wasted on fraud and bloat. it is not $10 billion to build a bridge. it's $800 million. who better to fix it than this guy. it would be perfect. >> you mean after the four bankruptcies you don't look persuaded. >> i do think he knows how to rebuild the country, highways and stuff, that used to be built in the 50s and 30s, we didn't have as much money as we have now. we don't build anything any more. the round table is staying with us. mark simmone is an instigator.

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let me finish tonight with a word we've become use to, american democracy. we use to have a country where only land owners got the vote. then another one got the vote eventually. every citizen of the country is suppose to be able to vote. let's talk about how we pick a president. in the beginning lots of presidential sites were decided in the house of representatives. it use to be the united states senators were members of the state legislatures. finally, an amendment to the constitution gave people the right to elect senators.

it use to be men in hotel rooms decided who was nominated for president. then in the 1950s, people in primaries began to select presidents. that's how we got kennedy and eisenhower. so over time we've gotten use to democracy. real democracy where we the people pick the people running the country. now under someone named previs, we hear the process of picking presidents goes back to the smoke filled rooms and done by the betters, those who know what's good for us. i don't think people aren't ready to be told that that they aren't the ones to pick the president. i don't think anyone is ready to hear that. whatever you think of donald trump, he has one overwhelming case to be made. he shall be the republican candidate for his party. he will be able to say he got the most votes. that's hard ball for now. all in with chris hayes starts

right now. >> tonight on all in. the party is playing dirty. >> donald trump battles the party he wants to lead. >> you got to show the republican party they can't get away with this stuff any longer. >> now the rnc is fighting back against trump and this idea. >> if donald trump exceeds 1,100 votes he'll become the nominee even though he may not have 1237. >> i'll speak with that member of the committee and then verizon's ceo blasts bernie sanders for his views. >> you are standing up, not just for justice verizon workers, you're standing up for millions of americans who don't have a million.