>> not a lot of banter. focused on the competition. >> watch monday's episode. time to say sayonara. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. bernie's roman holiday. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington, just four days of the new york primary, bernie sanders has taken his message overseas to the vatican. speaking today at a conference, hosted by the pontiffcal associates. using familiar themes, he slammed wall street, big bangs and citizens united, but reframed his message to restore the soul of this country. >> but as both pope john paul,

ii and pope francis have warned us and the world, the con questions have been more dire than the disastrous effects and falling living standards of working class families. our very soul, our very soul as a nation has suffered. as the public has lost faith in political and social institutions. as pope francis has stated, and i quote, profoundly stated, man is not in charge today. money is in charge. money rules. well, but as of late friday, vatican time, as far as we know, no meeting has occurred between pope francis and bernie sanders. the pope is scheduled by the way to leave for greece early in the morning. it's unlikely they'll get together. joining me now is ann thompson. thanks for joining me over there. it's late at night.

why did -- did he get invited by the pope? >> no. he got invited by the bishop that runs this. this is not an invitation from pope francis. it's not even necessarily approved by pope francis. the pontiffcal academy is a think tank that operate here at the vatican. the first one was founded back in the 1500s. this was was 1594. a group of people from all over the world, some are catholic, many are not. they come together to discuss big ideas, if you will. what they were discussing today is the 25th anniversary that saint john paul, ii wrote about the world's economy after the fall of communism. what has happened in the world socially, economically and politically in the last 25 years, and then secondly, what

his catholic teaching done about the issues and what can it do in the future. >> so this is like an italian or catholic renaissance weekend. >> exactly. that's a good way to think of it. >> okay. great having you on the show. >> but what is interesting -- >> okay. >> what is interesting is that pope francis sent a handwritten message to the conference today, apologizing for not going. now, all week long, we've been told by papal spokes people that the conference was not on the pope's schedule. he in this handwritten note said he had hoped to stop by earlier this evening, but because he has got an early flight to lesbos, greece, he just could not fit it in. and i think it's unusual for two reasons. one, a handwritten note. and two, we didn't think he was at least we were told by his official spokes people he wasn't going at all.

note, also, this letter was addressed to all the participants of the conference, and not just one individual. >> thank you so much, ann thompson, reporting from rome. any way, the brawl in new york, of course if you've watched it, the nastiest to date. last night's debate was nasty. in a new tv ad hammers home his attacks. let's look. >> wall street banks shower with speaking fees. what do they get? a rigged economy. a corrupt finance system. while washington officials are paid over $200,000 for a speech, they oppose raising the wage to $15 an hour.

>> clinton has widened her lead over sanders, now up by 17 points, 57% to 40%. i'm joined by barbara boxer who supports hillary clinton. you think somebody would tell the ad writers that u.s. senators are not allowed to take speaking fees for any reason. it's against the rules for decades now. they act like this is the norm that's responsible to what they call a rigged economy. >> well, absolutely. when hillary clinton took fees, it was legal. she was not part of the government. the whole thing is outrageous. and all i could say about my friend, bernie, and boy, i've worked with him forever, and i've worked with hillary forever. here is a guy who promised to never run a negative ad. i just went through my notes. he promised it. all his people. bernie, he talks about himself in the third person. bernie sanders has never run a negative ad. here it comes. there is one thing worst than a

negative ad, and that's when somebody does it when they promised they wouldn't do it. i hope he comes back from rome happier. he was so grumpy. i've never seen him this way. the minute hillary was prepared to speak, call on me, call on me. i have never seen anything quite like it. >> i know. >> it was, to me, the defining moment as to why, you know, let's come together, let's get behind hillary. and i think just judging from some of his outrageous attacks on her, both personally on television, his brand is being damaged, and i think the new yorkers are going to choose hillary very strongly. >> let me ask you. >> i hope so. >> the poll support what you said, she is up well above double digits. i read everything today, like you read everything. it looked to me like people think hillary was damaged, even though he was a bit tough on her, to put it lightly, very

tough. and this is his last chance. he does need to do well in new york. he is damaging her down the road. do you believe that? he is putting permanent wounds on her the republicans, like trump or cruz will exploit? >> of course they're going to exploit it. but hillary will stand tough and stand tall. she has gotten worst. the bottom line is everybody is attacking her. every republican candidate. and bernie sanders said he would not. it is stunning to see this happening to my friend, bernie. as i say, i hope he comes back, having been in the holy land, very in the vatican, i hope he comes back with a different attitude, with a more centered attitude. with a more reasonable attitude. she really held her ground. and i was just very proud of her. and you know, i can't get over the fact that he said she was unqualified. i have to say rhetorically, does anyone think he would have said joe biden was unqualified if joe biden was running. joe biden supported the war.

joe biden, you know, lived by the campaign finance system. so it was just a terrible thing to say about her. and that kind of kept -- got the ball rolling downhill. we need to come together. we all want the same things. a better life for our people. we don't have to attack people by income groups or whatever. let's just work together. because when we do, you know, that's what makes america great, to quote is someone else. >> the great senator from the state of california. it's always great to have you on. thanks for coming on tonight. >> thanks so much. by the way, hillary clinton in a positive tv ad. we'll see who is winning nationally. touting her endorsements from new york newspapers, like the daily news. here is what she does. you get endorsed, you sell it on tv. here it is. >> on tuesday, we've got a big

decision to make. the new york daily news and "the new york times" already made theirs. both endorse hillary clinton for president. clinton is supremely knowledgeliable and results driven. new york's choice for president, hillary clinton. >> i'm joined by the former president of the naacp, and vis visiting professor at princeton. let me ask you about these ads. do you think they're fair? going after hillary saying she is bought? jeff weaver is out there saying she has a pact with the devil, the other bad guy saying she is a bought woman. i mean, how personal can you get in a campaign, except somebody has been bought, on the take? >> she needs to release the transcripts. >> okay. what do you mean she needs to. when is bernie going to release his tax returns? >> that should be done -- >> by the way, the argument my wife is rg working on.

fair enough, it's fair for 2015. i know all about this. the day you're supposed to bring in your tax returns. is jane sanders still working on 2012, 2013. >> she is pulling together the fires. it has been an extraordinary year. >> you're buying that they couldn't just xerox their old tax returns. >> they're the most normal couple that has run for president. >> what is complicated about showing your old tax returns? >> what? getting back through the files. let's talk about the issues, the big issue here. 225 bucks. >> i don't think you believe it. >> $225,000, and they bring you back three times. >> i know there is a -- >> who pays you for a sfeech and brings you back again and again, unless they're investing in say. >> she sold her soul? >> it's not sold her soul, it's very, very curious that she

won't won't release it. >> i say it on the air whenever i think of it. if it's better than it looks, they'll show you. if it is worst when it looks, they won't. if a politician is keeping something from the public, whether it's tax returns, auto speaking transcripts, they know putting it out will be worst than keeping it private. they know the hit they take, the assumption that it's worst. that's why they keep it. it is worst. let me ask you about this. are you a democratic? >> of course. >> you are not a socialist? >> i am a -- >> its as a big word this year. >> what's the difference between a socialist and democratic? a lot of people are voting and you're hearing these words, not in a cold war sense, but what does socialist mean to you? >> in this race -- >> what does it mean to you? >> bernie is not a socialist. he is a democratic social list. we're new deal democrats. >> no, no, bernie was asked last night, are you a democratic, he hedged it and said i'm running as a democratic. he is a democratic.

he still says -- >> he says i'm running as a democratic. bernie is a democratic. >> he has never run as a democratic. >> he has -- >> he has never run as a democratic. >> jesse jackson in 1988, which primary -- >> which primary? he ran the democratic, who delivered vermont for him? bernie sanders. why did he stray from the democratic party, because of the establishment, conservative democrats in vermont did not like what this young turk, who was for jesse jackson was about. you know, gets into real early fights. >> that's when he realized he was a socialist, when he was reject rejected by the party. >> he was an independent, and this comes up for -- >> you're talking about -- i'm raising this issue. if someone cares about the future of the democratic party, no matter who wins, they want unity come the fall, right. >> sure. >> i'm not sure, listening to

radio and watching this, people are saying things from the bernie side of things, well, a lot of our young people are not really democrats, we don't flow if they're going to back hillary if she wins the nomination. what do you think? >> activists, you can't lead them but you can't control them. >> what is your hunch about the people you're working with? >> do you think there will be a problem? >> folks who i'm working with, you know, i think intend to support the democratic come this fall. but when i talk to a lot of young activists, they're talking about jill steen in the green party. the reality is that we cannot command and control young activists. we need to respect them. that's why hillary and bill disrespecting them -- >> when. >> in philly, black lives matter. >> that guy was coming at him, too. >> i'm not defending his words. >> then ashley, the former,

black lives matter, down in -- she was so dismissive of. you can't do that. >> i know. also an older person/younger person thing going on. you can't put somebody down just because they're younger than you. any way, thank you, ben. >> thank you. >> you have case to make. democracy, a better fight. donald trump makes his case against ted cruz and the delegate process, come july in cleveland. can they nominate someone other than trump i.e., still on top with votes and delegates, how do you fight the word democracy? also on the show, the bill clinton factor, one of america's most popular politicians, awful quiet in this campaign. he doesn't want to make news. somebody said don't make news. but he is out there. let's take a look right there at the role of the former and possibly future occupant of the white house. you know, the first spouse gets

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by calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. >> ted cruz made an appearance with jimmy fallon, and among the topics discussed were cruz's debating skills. and this. >> one of your skills i would say is that you're fantastic at debates. you're good at that. now, and which is all great, but my question to you -- >> i'll tell you, in college, that really attracted the women. >> it really did. >> it was -- you know, if you want to argue about nato policy in a bar, i mean, it's a great pickup line. >> yeah, look at this, guys. you're not going to believe this. this is in your year book. they wrote this about you or you wrote it? >> sadly that was me. >> you wrote this. i mean, really, this is fascinating. ted hopes to attend princeton

university, law school, harvard. check. achieve a successful law practice. check. pursue his real goal, a career in politics. check. run for and win president of the united states. [ applause ] >> that's unbelievable. that's unbelievable. >> that is totally utterly believable, jimmy. that's what i thought of the guy the day i saw him. we'll be right back.

we have a rigged system. the republican system is rigged. okay, it's a rigged system. and you look at colorado, where they're having a big march later or something is happening. but the people are angry. i would have done great in colorado. the people didn't know in colorado that their vote was being taken away from them, and let me tell you, you have some angry people in colorado right

now. if you want to know the truth, it's a beautiful thing to watch, because they are 100% right. >> welcome back, donald trump has come back with a rallying cry he thinks is a winner, democracy. on stage, on television, and op ed, front-runner rallying against the corrupt and rigged delegate process of the republican party. he said we're not seeing a proper use of the rules. they're supposed to reflect the decision of the voters. it is being rigged by party operatives by delegates who reject the decision of voters, political insiders have had their way for a long time. let 2016 let the american people finally got theirs. while trump's opponents say the rules are the rules. >> i understand that sometimes people may not like the process, but the facts are the process was very open and transparent for all to see and all to follow. now if a campaign doesn't stay

up on that, then that's on them. not on us. i understand that when you don't get the outcome that you want in any scenario, circumstance, whether a sporting event or political contest, immediately cry foul and blame the process. when the process has benefited them, they don't seem to complain too much. >> well, jim richards, the editor in chief endorsed governor john kasich for president, or for the nomination at least. colleen mccain nelson is for the "wall street journal." i want you to all deal with this political question, which trump is raising. he is arguing the word democracy out there. i sort of go along with him, which is it is very hard to tell the american people after years and years who decides the nomination, even though it is technically decided by the delegates at the convention. after years and years of learning that, we tell the american people, well, it's done by the delegates it he convention, unless you have requisite number, majority of

delegat delegates, you don't win, even though you could be ahead. re-educate the american people and how it's easier to be trump. that's what i think. what do you think? >> i think for once, donald trump might have a bit of a point. and i think the same point extends over to the other side of the ticket, you know, with the super delegate debate that's been going on over the past few weeks there as well. the problem with it is, it's difficult to address what seemed to be flaws in the system, you know, six or seven months out before the general election is about ready to take place. so again, there might be some legitimacy there, but the time to have that conversation and the time to think about overhauling or tweaking the system is problem not now. >> ed, your view as chairman, you're not taking sides, but you're going to deal with the fights as they approach the convention. >> i'll tell you, look, donald trump learned a lot from this. he needs to have a deeper

organization going forward if he is going to not only win the nomination, but you nate the convention and particularly, to win the general election. >> well, suppose you were in reince priebus shoes, they're probably too small for you, and you had to announce sometime in cleveland, a week before, yes, donald trump has 1,100, blah, blah, blah number of votes, and he is close to getting the majority, but we're going to have a vote. if he doesn't have the 1,237, all bets are off. >> all bets are not off. the last time it happened, tom dewey, he was close, got closer on the second and won on the third. that could happen with donald trump as well. >> if you want a really good precedent -- >> ed, you're great at this. you're pro at this, but you're the first person who has ever said that to me. i consider myself a bit of a historian. you're going back to '48, you weren't born yet.

you're telling me with casualty, doesn't everybody know this. >> compare it to the 1968 convention, my first convention, 21-year-old, and i'll tell you, it was almost the same. take out the personality, three parties, one governor recently reelected coming in late, saying i got the polls, i can win. and the middle, someone says i got the silent majority, called it that later, and on the right, you had a solid conservative named ronald reagan back then. now it's senator cruz. very much the same if you take out the personality. results could be the same. >> first ballots. >> let's bring in colleen. history is there, but if you have to cite it 40 or 50 years, that's history. oh, that happened before i was thinking about it, therefore, that's history. >> right. >> how do you make the case against democracy if he yells democracy. >> a lot of voters are surprised

to learn that the person who gets the most votes doesn't necessarily win. doesn't necessarily get the most delegates, and so trump is making a compelling argument, saying you know what, i'm trying to win with the voters and in the op ed, he wrote that ted cruz is trying to win despite the voters. >> he is not very likeable. he just isn't. certain parts of the country, evangelicals sort of like him. >> the three candidates addressed a gayla dinner. trump brought up the attacks on new york values. let's watch. >> you say what are new york values. number one, honesty and straight talking. it's a work ethic. hard-working people. it's about family. new york, believe it, is about family. so important. it's the energy. to get things done. big energy. if jeb bush came here, i'm telling you, he would have much more energy than he has right

now. i'm telling you. >> any way, ted cruz faced a far different reception, one nbc reporter snapped this video of the crowd during cruz's remarks, eating, talking, largely ignoring him. let's watch the scene. >> we want the team to stand, to stand and unite. let me know. the way we win a general election, right now, you look at the national polls -- >> that explains that disconnect if you will. i've been in situations like that. okay, i'll speak during -- i want to get home. you have crowd basically not listening. >> look, the secret service really messed it up. we didn't have the right number of magnetometers go through, it delayed it for an hour and a half, ted cruz ended up speaking at desert and after dessert. a lot of people were inpatient

by that time. he delivered an excellent presentation. >> let me go to jim rich. it's great to have you on. by the way, you dress very well for a newspaper man. it's unusual in this world. >> all that credit goes to my wife. i take nothing. >> well done. good switch there. let me about your news endorsement. the old irish paper, regular people read it. everybody knows, what's the front going to be, i learned the word wood by the way, the great movie, the paper, about a tab. i was thinking about it, you endorsed a guy who is running second in new york state, third nationally. you know, doing it, it was an under dog position to take. tell me why you made a move like that, knowing he is probably -- he is plausible as the nominee, but not probable. >> first of all, as you stated earlier with the endorsement of hillary clinton is the editorial board, which there is a distinction. >> you're the news guy. >> i had nothing do with it, other than the decision to put it on page one, because it's the

most compelling story of the day. any way, you know, i believe that the editorial board endorsed john kasich because the other two candidates at this point have stood for so many extreme, extreme values and their positions on so many important issues have been so, you know, unpalable that it would be impossible to endorse anyone other than kasich, and you know, i have to say, he was impressive when he came in and spoke to the editorial board. >> what did you make of his comment the other day about, you know, sexual abuse on campus, basically saying that women should drink less? >> look, i don't think that any -- many people of the daily news will agree on many social policy opinions of john kasich, but when it comes to financial policy and when it comes to getting things done, i think he has a decent track record. especially when you juxtapose

it. >> how he would make young women on campus feel safe from sexual violence and rape. after first talking about initiatives in ohio, kasich added this. >> i have two 16-year-old daughters, and i don't even like to think about it, you know. >> it's something i have to worry about, just walking -- >> i would also give you one bit of advice. don't go to parties with a lot of alcohol, okay, don't do that. >> well, those comments were slammed by democrats, of course, planned parenthood and other groups. kasich tweeted, only one person is at fall and that's the assail ant. it obscures people to seek justice. colleen. >> that never goes well to suggest -- >> blaming the victim. >> the correct answer is one person is at fault. he should have said that from the start i'm sure -- >> rape is basically, a capital

crime. it's not like, you know, he said she said. it's a capital crime if somebody is guilty of it. >> he has had a few instances where he has had missteps with women. we had a town hall where he talked about one of his early campaigns where he got the housewives to come out of the kitchen and help him. so he keeps having kind of retro moments. >> i like john kasich. this is worst. i think part of is that you have to talk all day long. you get fatigue. when you get tired, you're not as sharp. >> he does a lot of town halls. >> it's the effort not to sound pc, but sometimes sounding pc is the safest place to go. any way, thank you, great to see you again. i mean that. i do mean it when i say it's good to see you again. i have been seen you in forever. colleen mccain, i'm rooting for your boy. two men without a party, donald trump and bernie sanders. they're both running as outsiders in an an see establishment year. does their lack of policy help

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automobile yoobviously your the nomination. she has been fundraising for the nomination and the democratic party. do you foresee a time during the campaign that you'll start doing that? >> we'll see. our focus is on winning the nomination. >> that was democratic socialist, bernie sanders, a candidate for the democratic nomination, saying he is unsure whether he'll campaign for democrats, running for office in the fall. well, two people are running for president who have no love or loyalty for their party, bernie sanders and donald trump. both outliers in the past who could be outliers again. donald trump said he wasn't sure if he would support the nominee of the party if it wasn't him. >> do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is? >> no, i don't. look -- >> you don't. we'll see who it is. >> we'll see who it is. >> magic number, me. earlier today, sanders supporter and ohio senator nina turner say

bernie backers are loyal to him personally, but maybe not the democratic party. >> especially with sanders supporters, a great deal of the supporters are not necessarily connected to a party. i think that's different from 2008, when we had the same thing, senator clinton -- >> do you think you can bring them over? our recent polling says 30% said they would not get behind hillary clinton. >> they're connected to senator bernie sanders. i'm not so sure. i know a lot of folks are hoping it will happen, but i'm not so sure it will. >> echoed the sentiment few weeks ago, he wasn't sure supporting bernie will even show up to support hillary clinton if she becomes the nominee. >> they have to come out for hillary clinton, i'm not too confident about that, given how many times she has dissed him

recently. >> we're here with jonathan, a big opinion writer with the "washington post." let's talk about bernie. they're pretty open about it. >> they're nothing but open about it. will the young supporters come to her. this will be a challenge to unify the party. if there is one thing that connects the election, is this something important, is america really drifting towards a system where we have a fracture, to almost closer a european system, multiple parties. i'm not sure we're there, but they couldn't be more open about the fact that they are very -- their voters are connected to him personally, not the party and certainly not to her. >> that's worst than i thought. if that's the case, michael, if we break up the political parties, you need 270 electorate votes, or nobody gets in. absolute disaster. nondemocratic. >> totally changed political system. we'll move to a parliamentary

system. one party would govern. as long as we have a presidential system, where the president has to work in concert with a political party, nothing gets done. >> but back to sanders, i think that he'll play ball in the long run. it will take him a while. he'll have demands, this and that. but i think he will -- >> you know who didn't come back, gene mccarthy. >> sanders has to go back to the senate, chris, if i'm not mistaken, he has a chance of chairing the budget committee. i'm sure chuck -- >> do you think he'll use the money to support other candidates. that's the question on the table. >> i'm surprised he hasn't. >> let's stick with the question. whether the democrats unite if the guy is not a democratic, i'm not knocking him the fact that he isn't, but he isn't. >> no, he is not a member of the democratic party. to your point about fundfundrai, i wrote a piece a couple of weeks ago, where he says we'll

see, to the question of will you raise money for down ballot races. he is out there slamming hillary clinton for going to georgia and alma's clooney for an event, which will raise a lot of money. not just for her, but for the democratic national committee and state party committees, which will then use that money to help elect house and senate candidates. >> hollywood celebrity party. >> he is saying i'm not spending my time in the living rooms of billionaires and millionaires raising money. >> not bad. >> hand over fist, down ballot -- >> his latest ad, he is accusing them of giving speeches for money. did anybody ever tell the copyrighter, they're not allowed to do that? >> they never asked him to. >> he has been clear on that. >> the other point, chris, bernie sanders political revolution that he keeps saying he wants to lead and that will

happen if he becomes president, will not happen if he does not have a democratic house and a democratic senate which you won't have. >> thank you for thinking like i do. i've been thinking about this. it drives them crazy. bernie sanders last night, red faced, angry, flailing, vote for me, microphone back. suppose he is in the white house doing that. he has gotten elected. gnawi inaugurated and realizes mitch mcconnell is still there. you got 60 votes, if not, shut up. we're going to go to a restaurant how to destroy your white house. that's what we did before and it worked. i'm just telling you. when i said it to him, the trouble with you you're inside the belt way. i'm sorry, that's where they pass the tax laws, i tell him. who would want -- bernie sanders' message is great, but who what want him as president if he couldn't do that stuff. >> he can't find his tax returns, but --

>> excuse me. he said she has been working on it. i understand this is april 15th today. people are late getting them in. i understand. working on deadlines. it's like an exam, working in college. what about 2014, 2013. is jane still working on those? >> to the xerox machine. >> jane is on turbo tax. >> he doesn't want us to see them. just like hillary doesn't want us to see the transcripts of her little missions to goldman sachs. of course she wasn't stuff on goldman sachs in the room with them. >> he is campaigning, pretendsing as if republicans don't exist, as if mitch mcconnell doesn't exist. he can do that to his audience, but it creates a paradox for clinton, because if she tries to point out you're going to have to work with republican, his people say sell out, sell out. >> tired. so tired. >> the round table is sticking with us. the buba factor, bill clinton who wants to be a future first

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welcome back to "hardball," while campaigning for his wife in the bronx today, bill clinton sarcastically suggested that bernie sanders supporters shooting a third of the people on wall street as a way of fixing the country's problems. here is bill. >> one of the few things i haven't enjoyed about this primary. it's fine that all these young students have been so

enthusiastic, and shoot everybody on wall street and everything will be fine. the truth is, there is 25,000, i mean 50,000 fewer today. the todd act is working. >> we have a clarification from bill clinton, here it is. >> do you want to clarify the comment about shooting -- >> it was a joke. it is a total joke. >> total joke. >> was it too dismissive to his supporters? >> no, no. it's to point out that that's a unilateral explanation for everything that's wrong with america. >> see, the key today is to be a humorless journalist. ask the kie explain it in way w that isn't funny. >> it wasn't funny. >> i don't get what you meant. do it straight. are you talking about bernie is going to kill people. just play it dumb, right? you get a guy like bill clinton, used to old school, cut some

cla slack, he is the former president. >> there in lines the difference, when bill clinton was the big dog, the most brilliant strategyist we had seen in our lifetime. >> and how about respect for leaders in that day. >> in a media universe, there is no respect for anyone. you say anything, by the time we get off this set, our twitter feeds will be yelling at us for what we've said about fill in the blank person or we didn't say it the way we should have said it. so you know, president clinton can go out there and say something that was probably not exactly -- >> how do you get trained, megan, for today's politics. you're so careful, nothing has hey handle on it that can be grabbed. >> i think he is particularly out of step this cycle. he always wants it to be back

the way it was frankly. this is why he was proven not the most effective surrogate. he has had a couple of gaffs. earlier this week, he has shown he has propensity for putting his foot in his mouth and not getting the cycle of a social media reaction, facebook, everybody immediately. >> no mulligans. >> no mulligans. in the old days, you could take a mulligan if your ball went into the tree somewhere. now it's a headline. >> the problem is hillary clinton is picking the balls out of the trees, and i don't think she wants to do that. >> i think he can be helpful with white men in the fall. >> he is not a total disaster. >> she just hangs around with bill. you're right. so right. we'll talk about that. the round table staying with us. these three will tell me something i don't know. three bits of wisdom. this is "hardball," the place for politics. d like to show off their strengths: 13 name brands. all backed by our low price tire guarantee.

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the latest news is that bernie sanders is within two points of hillary clinton nationally. he may be passing her soon. what would that mean? >> she's in big trouble. remember a year ago, two years ago, for as long as we can remember, she was the democratic nominee and that's not the case.

>> huge enthusiasm gap in her campaign. she's got to sure up where she's got it strong in minorities and women. every indication is her campaign is limping into the convention. >> michael, what do you say if every poll says you're behind the other guy? he's the people's choice. how do you deal with that? >> it's a tough one to deal with. he's on a winning streak. he's won seven in a row. >> i think he will pass her. >> you do? even if she wins new york. >> i believe bernie has the bubble. not knowing who he is helps him. i think it works both ways. once they get to know me, the less you know. he's a very good platform speaker. i'm headed to brooklyn for the new york primary. we'll be right there. the moon struck thing right at the bridge. we'll be right there monday night and tuesday night. join me monday and tuesday night from from the brooklyn bridge.

that's hardball for w. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." >> we have ra rigged system. is republican system the rigged. >> donald trump's rage against the machine. >> if you want to vote for somebody else, don't vote. >> ted cruz fights for attention in new york. >> to stand as one. then brooklyn brawl. >> i put it out -- >> excuse me. i think i'm responding. >> clinton and sanders ramp up their attack ahead of the new york primary. >> you evaded the answer. you evaded the question. >> wait, wait. i have stood on the debate stage with senatorde