gift from heaven. this thing is just going to keep chugging along. this week we started our 15th straight fighting season in that country. first presidential candidate to notice that wins a prize. the first presidential candidate to talk about how to fix that ought to win the white house if our political system made any sense. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again on monday. now it's time for a special friday night edition of the last word with lawrence o'donnell. welcome to a special friday edition of the last word. with only four days left before the new york presidential primary with both home teams, the clinton campaign and the trump campaign needing to win big. >> every day we're reminded of how terrible it would be to be ruled over by a self financed jack on lat earn. >> tom brady likes me. >> the only problem is that the candidate with the best chance of beating trump is this guy.

>> i've probably got a screw loose. >> new york values. new york values. >> he's unhappy so he complains. >> the republican system is rigged. >> these plans have been in place since october of last year. in trump's defense he didn't expect anyone to fall for this a year ago. >> only in america, folks. only in american. >> i don't write the rules for the republican party. >> good job. if you want to vote for somebody else, don't vote. okay. don't. >> i look forward to beating whichever socialist wins the democratic nomination. >> as pope frannis has stated man is not in charge today. ma money is in charge. money rules. >> residents are forced to live with mold, leaking roofs, broken elevators. that is not acceptable in new york or america. this is the last word on campaign 2016.

>> with only four days of campaigning left before the new york presidential primary, donald trump is complaining about what happened a week ago in colorado where they didn't have a primary. >> we have a rigged system. the republican system is rigged. it's a rigged system. and you look at colorado where they're having a big march later or something is happening, but the people are angry. i would have done great in colorado. and then he said we didn't change the system. when i joined the campaign in june, they had a system. after they saw that i was going to win colorado, they changed the system. they said they didn't change it. they changed the system. >> that was in upstate new york today. republican party officials woke up this morning to a piece in the republican party's favorite establishment newspaper, the wall street journal writen bye donald trump. it says delegates are supposed

to reflect the decision of the voters, but the system is being rigged. republican party chairman responded on the today show. >> is he out of line? >> well, look, i mean i'm not quite sure what the rhetoric is all about, but the truth is that these plans have been in place since october of last year. it was the same system that elected abraham lincoln. it's the same system that the democrats use. delegates and voters choose the nominee. that's what's happening. quite frankly the complaining that goes on is something that i think probably distracts from what we really need to do, which is to come together as republicans. >> politico reports that a member of the republican committee is proposing a new rule that could drastically change how republicans select

the nominee. it would replace the system used at republican national conventions for decades which mimic those used by the u.s. house of representatives with roberts rules of order, a design that's often used to oversee meetings. joining us now, a republican national committee officer and rules committee member from oregon and a national political reporter from the washington post and ken vogel. tell us about your idea for replacing the rules with roberts rules of war. >> the idea is total tra transparnsy. when we're involved at a state party level and national party level and we all use roberts rule of order so we know what's in there and what to expect

versus 1,500 pages of rules. nobody knows what's in it. another problem came out of last convention in 2012. there is a youtube clip. speak speaker baner announced convention rules passed. meanwhile point of house division of the house was not recognized. it was a chaotic scene. guests in the gallery yelled yaes and nays. so i think under roberts rule of order a presiding office would have recognized legitimate point of order or division of the house call. so that's the reason i proposed to move to roberts rules of order. >> when i first read your idea, i was confused by it because the

republican convention and the party have all sorts of rules about things like if a state runs an open primary that allows nonrepublicans to vote, then that -- the winnings in that could be disallowed under certain interpretations of the rules, but what you're talking about is really just procedural about the example just gave, how voting is done, how voice voting is done, that sort of thing. it wouldn't -- roberts rules couldn't guide you on how to handle a dispute about the legitimacy of a particular state delegation. >> that would be adjudicated by a committee on contest as well as credential committees -- convention credential committees, but bring roberts rule of order actually will unite the party and at end of the day we'll have nominee and we'll move forward to win in

november. >> robert costa, does the trump campaign -- the new theme of the trump campaign is as far as i can tell is it's rigged, it's rigged, it's rigged, the delegate thing is rigged. that's all we're hearing. it's all that the news media is pulling out of had is rallies a speeches now. did the trump campaign believe this is a working message for him. are they trying to get him back to talking about his policy ideas. >> at the moment the focus on the convention and delegate accumulation, but the concern for trump is that if he gets close to the threshold, they want to make the argument that he's the presuch tifr nominee and he wants to have a heavy hand in guiding the shape and form of the convention in terms of programming and message. >> let's look at the latest new york poll as we're four days

away from voting. donald trump at 54 and john kasich at 25, ted cruz at 16 and it could be donald trump could come out of the state of new york with all of the delegates if he wins all of the congressional districts in new york. but they're already talking about in that piece that he wrote today double agent delegates. i have a feeling we're going to hear that phrase double agent delegates every day between now and the convention. >> this is a message that actually dove tails nicely with trump's theme which is running against the establishment. the point of his candidacy is that the system is rigged and in that case it brings it home. i think it's a message intended to sway voters because ted cruz has run as an outsider who is running against a rigged system. and donald trump points out i think correctly this irony that now ted cruz in order to win the

nomination is dependent upon many of these party insiders who he disparages. so it's an effort to cut off ted cruz and his outsiders and score some victories in new york and upcoming states that might secure the nomination before the convention and then it also has the double positive effect of kind of working the reves of the delegates. going into the convention potentially just a few delegates short, he's now laying the ground work to be able to say, hey, i won this fair and square and if you give it to me there will be a mass revolt from folks who voted for me because they'll feel i've been cheated. >> sorry. go ahead. >> one person to watch right now is paul mannafor. this is the mistous figure. he's going to be at the rnc meeting next week where they're going to have these rules

committee meetings. that's going to determine a lot of the tone and tenor of what the party's going to be talking about going to the convention. that's the meeting to watch next week. >> are you going to be at that meeting next week? >> yes, i will be at that meeting and i already submitted a proposal to be considered by rnc standing rules committee thursday. >> what do you think of the chances of them adopting your proposal? >> i think i will argue for adoption of cause if you agree and establishment whips already push back and try to table my proposal and i believe it's bad to table it, the reason is very simple. if we table roberts, we basically deny transparency at at convention.

let me back up and share a good chefrp wi example with you at this moment. we have over 40 rnc convention staff members actually drafting convention procedures and convention programs and convention scripts. based on what? based on the house rule. if we table it, we go to july to deal with this and might as well not do anything because by then we wouldn't have a time to implement roberts. >> so when you look at that proposal, it's very fair for anyone who is an rnc member to propose that kind of thing going to the meeting next week. the problem is that this rules committee at the r in. c is being heavily lobbied. the power in american politics

and the republican party rests right now in that rules committee and the people who have it don't want to be bringing in roberts rules of order. that's why people are already talking about tabling this motion. that rules committee wants to be able to -- especially the never trump votes, if the second ballot is necessary, they want to have room to get trump off the ballot or get a coalition together to stop trump. that's being discussed. >> let me get ken vogel in here. go ahead, ken. >> i think we're going to see a number of proposals. i do think that it probably be tabled and we'll probably see additional proposals to come forward about how to change rules. with this proposal we don't have any sense as to who this is going to help. it will empower the delegates to some extent so there's the potential that there could be a wild card white knight type of candidate. but it could also lead to a

situation where it takes just a very long time to process where we can almost see like a grid lock type of situation. so i think -- >> there are proposals that will come before the rules committee that will be more clearly intended to help one candidate or hurt one candidate in the case of donald trump. this is not that proposal as of now i agree. it's sort of interpreted as really a process, a parliament tear thing and it's unclear who it's going to help. >> which candidate are you supporting? >> none of them. i'm working with all candidates because i'm representing 8.8 million overseas americans. >> do you agree with donald trump that this is rigged and that the party bosses have rigged it? >> i do not agree with donald trump this is rigged as long as we have transparency. >> we're going to have to leave

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♪ ♪ share the joy of real cream... ...with reddi-wip. i am going to work hard with leaders like the speaker to put more federal money back into public housing like the senior center. >> that was a first for this presidential campaign, a candidate actually visiting public housing. until this morning it looked like that wasn't going to happen. then suddenly hillary clinton changed her schedule. she cancelled a good morning america town hall and went to a housing project for senior citizens in harlem. two months ago she was invited

by a public housing tenants group to visit public housing in new york, as were all of the presidential candidates. none of them responded in any way to that written invitation. so then as the new york primary heated up last week the tenants group, along with the help of local city council members again last week invited all of the presidential candidates to visit public housing. i learned about their invitation in this report in politico which was sent to me and i immediately got a camera crew to go and take a look at what the candidates were ignoring. >> well, you know, i'm sorry to dispoint you. i'm not a presidential candidate, but i brought some cameras. that's the best i could do. >> absolutely. shining the spotlight on this issue is essential and we're grateful to you for doing it. >> that's new york city council member brad lander who has endorsed hillary clinton but he had not been able to convince

the clinton campaign to visit public housing. two nights ago we took you on a tour of the city within the city of new york, the public housing that is home to more people in this city than the entire population of vermont or the city of boston. political campaigns in new york city like to do photo ops in pizza delawa piz pizza delawareis and schools, but never in public housing. presidents and u.s. senators have more power over public housing than mayors do, but in her eight years as new york's junior senator hillary clinton never visited a public housing project and i'm sure that is true of most united states senators in this country. public housing is the hidden city within every city, the ignored city until today. >> residents are forced to live

with mold, with leaking roofs, with broken elevators. that is not acceptable in new york or america. >> hillary clinton brought presidential campaign cameras to public housing today. on wednesday night on this program when the candidate had still not responded to the invitation to visit public housing, charlene, a public housing resident said this is what she wanted to ask those candidates. >> do you feel we're not important enough? we make just as much as a contribution to our every day life as anyone else. why are we not important enough is my question to them? >> well, someone was listening. joining us now, richie torres representing central bronx. you took us on that tour the

other day. this is what you were hoping would happen, that the politico that this show would get attention to this question and at least one of these candidates would finally respond. it happened today. >> i've always believed that moral awareness is the first step toward action and i'm grateful to secretary clinton for touring a public housing development in east harlem, but i'm grateful to you and your show for giving national visibility to probably the most forgotten city in the united states. public housing has never been a thought on the minds of presidential candidates. it's never been a word spoken at presidential debates. it's never been a place to go when campaigning. and this morning everything changed. >> i want to play something she said this morning about affordable housing. let's listen to this. >> so we're going to create more incentives from the federal government for affordable housing. we're going to boost funding for what are called section eight

vouchers and give people more choices as to where they live and do more to help, particularly young people, afford to buy a home. i want to provide $10,000 to match the money for a down payment so your children, your grandchildren, all of our young people can get a home if they want that. >> this is why i isolated that. that's the standard campaign speech about housing. that's not about public housing. people don't quite realize that. she's in there talking about help with mortgages. this is a kind of lower middle class speech that she's talking about economically lower middle class. so this is where she actually talks about public housing and you and i know that these -- what she's talking about here is not what we were talking about and you have to listen for exactly the right language about this and this is the part that you normally don't hear from candidates. let's listen to what she said about public housing. >> i will work as hard as i know

how to provide more funding for public housing and we're going to also look at how we connect that to broader economic development efforts so that we are looking not just at housing apart from everything else, but housing, health, education, jobs, opportunities. i want to help lift up everybody. we can rise together if we have the right plans and the will to do that. >> richie, that's a candidate who understands the dynamics of what we're talking about. yes, in this concern begins with housing, but has to expand beyond just housing. >> we have to start somewhere and i think affordable housing is the starting points of upward mobility. you've had success stories come out of public housing and my mother raised my siblings, my brother and my sister, i'm a new

york city council member and we came out pretty well and we would not be where we are today for public housing. there are many stories like ours. >> it's fascinating. i've been reading more of them today. >> public housing is full of single mothers who work their heart out to care for their children and those mothers deserve the dignity of providing their families with decent affordable public housing. >> what would you say to bernie sanders who hasn't done this and there's plenty of time in the campaign if he doesn't get to it this week in new york, every other city he's going to go to in america has public housing for him to visit. >> there's a lost opportunity. how do you creditably speak about it without stepping foot into that other city and here in new york city the new york city housing authority is the core of that other city. it provides housing to the population the size of vermont. >> richie torres, thank you very

much. thank you for all the guidance you gave us this week and congratulations on making something happen in the presidential campaign. >> thank you. coming up, we will have a review of the week for the democratic and republican presidential campaigning and later you'll hear from some of the public housing residents we met this week.

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republican nomination to paul ryan. that's coming up, but first here's a look back a the the week that was in presidential campaigning. >> the system folks is rigged. >> trump of course pouring new fuel on this rivalry with the gop. >> donald trump's team are in d.c. >> they're meeting at the capital club right here which is a special private republican club is this they're there to meet with republican congressional allies of trump. >> there are leather bound books. >> donald trump will be there in a little. what are we expecting? >> we're expecting thousands of protesters. >> i do not want nor will i accept the nomination for our party. >> i think that the campaign is turning now to sort of the next phase. >> there's a new revolution brewing. >> who is picking this republican nominee, the delegates or the voters. >> both. it's a democratic process. >> i think it's a little too late to complain after the fact that a particular state's

process isn't something that you like. >> it will be up to me to convince the delegations. we're not overruling anybody. >> our differences go beyond how we raise money. >> there are over 27,000 people here in washington square park. >> senator sanders has trouble answering questions. >> he came out on that stage determined not to let her land a punch on him. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders have gone their separate ways after last night's debate. >> i know that the new york housing authority is billions of dollars behind. >> lawrence o'donnell the other night had this extraordinary tour of public housing. >> earlier today she stopped by to talk to seniors in harlem. >> it was something i could not refuse to attend. >> what do you make of the campaign so far?

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. the system is corrupt and it's worse on the republican side because i'm up millions of votes on cruz, millions. the rnc, the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves. that system is set up so that the crooked politicians can make sure they get somebody in that's not part of what we're doing. it's a rigged disgusting dirty system. it's a dirty system. >> the republican campaign this week donald trump found a new enemy. this week donald trump shifted his loudest attacks away from mexicans and muslims and directed his anger at republican party officials. joining us now joy reed national correspondent and a columnist for the washington post and a

senior reporter for politico new york. joy, so donald trump has this new target. apparently he's said everything he has to say about all those other enemies and now it's down to party bosses. >> i think that donald trump may understand that he's probably going do go into the convention with less than the needed number of delegates so he's sort of already preparing his explanation for how he would have won but for the evil imaginations of the rnc. >> so this is his way of putting pressure on the party officials that he's trying to create this sensation that he will be unfairly denied. >> i think it's pretty rich that for most of this campaign donald trump has prided himself in being able to bend unfair systems to his will. i'm thinking things like the bankruptcy laws or eminent

domain. he's never complained about unfair systems so long as everybody has access to the rules. he said i'm good at using the system to my advantage and now all of a sudden ted cruz is pulling the same thing and he's whining. i think he's a little bit jealous that ted cruz is schooling him on the art of the deal. >> but donald trump is also trying to win the delegates that shuts down this discussion and that is still a real possibility. >> it's a possibility, but like joy said he's preefrpting the explanation of why he didn't win. this is a guy who cannot admit to being wrong or losing. if he comes up short it's someone else's fault. this is what he's done on immigration, the economy, about bankruptcy. he's blaming someone else's f f why he didn't win. >> let's listen to the statement paul ryan made this week about absolutely not going to be a presidential candidate. >> i do not want nor will i

accept the nomination for our party. so let me speak directly to the delegates on this. if no candidate has a majority on the first ballot, i believe that you should only choose from a person who is actually participated in the primary. count me out. >> turns out professional republicans are not counting him out. let's listen to what steve schmidt told me last night. >> i heard paul ryan's statements. my view of it the chances of him walking out of a contested convention went up not down arch that statement. >> so much for the convincing professional republicans. why would anyone want this nomination? this is to take a nomination to go in and get crushed by a democrat, bernie sanders or hillary clinton, you're coming out of a horrible convention, horrible environment. who would want this nomination? >> i think no one sane would want it. at the same time if paul ryan

were insane enough to try to get it, he has to make that statement and have that actually on tape that he really didn't want it before they handed the nomination to him. the only reason why someone might want it is to run around the track in preparation and training to do it again in 2020. >> american doesn't look losers. you lose and we don't want to see you back in presidential campaigning. >> yes and no. i think the real fear among the republican establishment is the damage that this will do to their brand, this being having donald trump as their nominee is so cat straufic for generations to come is they want someone else to be the fall dpguy. >> what do you think, paul ryan? >> it's possible. you can't rule anything out. >> i was so close to ruling this out until steve snchmidt said that last night.

>> there was a challenger making these complaints and ends up not running. the idea that somebody else can come in who is fresh and different and not tainted by this, that must be attractive to some of these voters. >> let's listen to what reince priebus said on the today show. >> i think it's a little too late to complain after the fact that a particular state's process isn't something that you like. now, what is true is that the system can be changed, but it has to be changed at the convention. i don't write the rules for the republican party. the delegates at the convention write the rules for the republican party. >> all right. >> okay. let's grant that he has the toughest job in party politics. i don't know, maybe in history. how is he doing? i have to confess, the more i watch him do this, the better i think he's doing. it's a really tough thing he's trying to do.

>> your so generous and charitable because -- >> especially on fridays. >> because it's friday. can a leader of a party have done worse than to set the conditions for utter rebellon at the base of the party and then the solution to that that the party elders can come up with is to superimpose another establishment guy on top. >> is it the trumpphenomena. >> they're reacting to the lies and broken promises of that establishment that keeps saying give us power and we'll get rid of obamacare, but we want tax cuts for ourselves. >> i'm going to try the rest of my prebus arguments.

it's not his fault that he got these people elected to the house and senate and they couldn't do what they claimed they could do. >> that's true. that's all true. >> won one round. >> that doesn't ab solve him of the anger that a lot of the republican base feels about the establishment including the view among trump's supporters that they're trying to be disenfranchised, that the party doesn't want trump in place. this hostility between the leadership and trump plays into those fears. i think it makes sense that people are angry at him and he's not doing himself any favors by continuing to pick fights with trump. >> let's go back to the autopsy. no one wanted to turn the republican party in a sharper turn than he did and broaden the appeal to different population groups that they had alienated.

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street with fees and what do they get, a rigged economy and bailouts. while washington politicians are paid over $200,000 an hour for speeches, they oppose raising the living wage to $15 an hour. $200,000 an hour for them, but not 15 bucks an hour for all americans. enough is enough. >> i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. >> today hillary clinton's campaign released a new ad highlighting her new york newspaper endorsements. >> on tuesday we have a big decision to make and the new york daily news and the new york times already made theirs. both endorse hillary clinton for president. clinton is supremely knowledgeable and results driven. she promises to be a true democratic champion. advancing an ambitious democratic agenda in the white house and the times logs her vision in which middle class americans have a real shot at

prosperity. new york's choice for president, hillary clinton. >> i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. >> joy reed, new york really heated up this campaign. >> it absolutely did. it's gotten downright nasty. it's interesting those two ads are so different because i don't know who they is that hillary clinton is going after hitting her on wealth and wall street. hillary clinton hitting the newspaper endorsements which i'm not sure that people care about. >> i think that's the only way you can get attention to newspaper endorsements -- sorry since you work for one, but put them on tv and that was an effective ad. >> as long as you can tout these various kinds of endorsements from figures that americans still see as authority figures even if they're not reading them all the time, i think that's valuable. >> the whole -- the intensity of this fight, do you see it? you work here in new york. do you see it as something that

new york forced on them or is it where we are on the calendar? >> it's both. they wouldn't be fighting in new york had it not been for the string of victories that bernie sanders has had. what was kind of unusual was that we were expecting a very new york kind of debate and we didn't get it. there was not a talk about public housing when they were in brookl brooklyn. there was talk about wall street, withhich is here in new york, but that's a national issue. there wasn't a talk about criminal justice reform other than the 1994 crime bill. >> let's listen to what bernie sanders said today in rome. >> because i believe that the pope has played a historic and incredible role in trying to create a new world economy and a new vision for the people of our planet. so when i received this invitation, i know it's taking

me away from the campaign trail for a day, but when i received this information, it was so moving to me that it was something that i could just simply not refuse to attend. >> joy, it turns out in the 21st century the campaign trail is worldwide. >> the sanders campaign has had trouble because he wasn't invited by the pope and the pope wasn't there, but it can help him with the catholic voters. it does take it him off the trail for a day. i think bernie sanders is living his best life now. he's 74 years old. he gets to the go to the vati n vatican. he's getting his message out globally. what a great time in his life. >> especially if you see him more as a statement candidate given that he doesn't have the math to clench the nomination. >> before hillary clinton jetted off to l.a. for her eving with george cloony raising money, she

visited public housing in harlem. >> i really am grateful that i had a chance to come here and to meet you, to look at you. i will carry this in my mind and heart as i continue this campaign. and i would be very honored to earn your vote next tuesday, april 19th. i will fight for you. i will do everything i can as your president to remember what needs to be done here in a city that i love. >> classic new york city campaigning and that old fashioned touch of literally asking for the vote. >> she's learned how to be a politician. now the question is going to be if and when she goes to washington and deals with a republican congress is she going to be able to get money to come back home. people can go back to that site and say when hillary clinton visited the paint was on the walls and the elevator was

working and here's what it's like one, two, three years into her tenure. >> i like that she pays attention to the last word. >> a big lead in all the polls hillary clinton in new york state. so it's looking like something dramatic is going to have to happen to change that outcome. >> i can't imagine hillary clinton not winning new york. she had the touch of getting the date in. she has a broader constituentsy here. i was out and about talking to voters. don't underestimate the number of independents who may not be aware that when they got their ballot it won't have bernie sanders' name on it. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, new york housing project residents we met this week talk about what public housing means to them. use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief

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city. most people never hear the voices of public housing. alex digital producer for the last word recorded some of those voices. while i was touring the apartments, you stayed behind and talked to some of the residents. what did you talk about? >> i did. there was a group of residents that stayed behind. they're from all over new york. one woman came from as far away as east new york brooklyn. it's like riding one train line from end to end and transferring and going to another train line and riding some more. that's how important she thought it was. we talked about public housing and the misconceptions of public housing and we talked about where they thought they would be if not for public housing. >> it was what does public housing mean to you. when i watched your video that's what i was getting out of it. >> exactly. the stuff that they had to say

was really eye opening. >> let's take a look. >> public housing to me means home. >> everyone should be allowed to have shelter. >> public housing represents stability. >> i grew up in public housing. >> it's a place that we could raise our families. >> people always say if you live in public housing, you're on welfare. >> they think that the people that live in public housing don't pay taxes. >> you're on drugs. you're an alcoholic. >> people in public housing are nasty. >> it's a bad place to live. >> no, and that's not true. >> we have toilets. we don't piss in elevators. bottom line. >> it's a place where everybody just lives just like anybody else. >> it's a community of your floor and a community of your building. >> you know everybody on your floor? >> i know everyone on my floor. >> yeah. >> everyone. >> i've raised all three of my

kids in public housing. my son is a principal, my daughter is a therapist and my youngest child works every day and goes to school at college at night. >> without public housing where would you be right now. >> unfortunately in new york city there's a possibility i could be living in a shelter. >> with my income, my disability and my social security i wouldn't be able to have decent housing. >> homeless and on the street. >> another misconception i think is people don't realize that these are paying tenants. there's a formula according to ability to pay, 30% of income. it's a very significant chunk for them. this is not free housing for everyone's who is there. >> not at all. these are hard working individuals. a lot of these families are working one job, two jobs, sometimes three jobs, multiple people in the family contributing. this is not a free lunch. >> alex, thank you very much for

helping us get everything we needed to get out there and making sure that new york's public housing residents get this week's last word. tonight on "all in." >> we have a rigged system. is republican system the rigged. >> donald trump's rage against the machine. >> if you want to vote for somebody else, don't vote. >> ted cruz fights for attention in new york. >> to stand as one. then brooklyn brawl. >> i put it out -- >> excuse me. i think i'm responding. >> clinton and sanders ramp up their attack ahead of the new york primary. >> you evaded the answer. you evaded the question. >> wait, wait. i have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders eight prior times. i have said the same thing.