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>> the road to 2016, katie, kasie, kristen and steve kornacki. >> i feel like i'm a part of this. i'm too lazy to be a road warrior. >> how does it feel to be in the sun? it's gorgeous for us to sit and talk about a ton of news on the

democratic side and the republican side. you have a lot going on with bernie sanders, with hillary clinton but yet again, katy, we have donald trump driving the day, his presidential reset, he's just coming off of that rally upstate. >> he knows how to remain the center of the conversation and he just finished that rally there n plattsburgh and he hit once again that it's a rigged system. he keeps trying to say that the rules are out to get him. that the rules aren't fair, they're not fair for an outsider like him. he had been hitting the rnc very hard but you noticed that instead of hitting the rnc, he's refocusing on ted cruz saying ted cruz is disenfranchising voters, focusing his energy and focusing his message on ted cruz because hitting the rnc, frankly, is not good for him because he's got to not only get voters but delegates on his side and delegates are party loyalists. the thing is ted cruz, hall hal hallie, is good at organizing so

ted cruz going at these state conventions, he pulls away delegates from trump. >> and the cruz campaign will point to the fact that this weekend, for example, there are 95 delegates at stake at 34 events and they have people all across the country. what you're seeing from cruz and his campaign, this idea that, hey, when donald trump was winning we didn't hear this from trump. >> he's saying he doesn't care about the states he's won. those were fine. the states he lost, those are the ones unfair so it's a blatant message that he's trying to put across. if i don't win, it's not fair to me but if i win it's fine. >> and feels like process versus emotion. cruz has to get out there and talk about today the idea that this is democracy, the voters choose the delegates who choose the nominee but trump has this more visceral message that he's hammering again and again. >> and cruz learned that today in that town hall he taped with sean hannity. some of those audience members turned against him when he started about how no this is how that works. average people, this is true on

both sides of the campaign this election season feel so cut out of the system and making that argument for ted cruz, it's difficult and it's where donald trump's populist notes play well. >> it's so difficult for donald trump to make that argument because he is winning right now convincingly, particularly if you look at the polls here in new york and you go back to that dinner last night, ted cruz talking crickets when he was talking and -- >> it was uncomfortable. >> and it's in part because of this comment he made about new york values. it played well in iowa, not in new york. donald trump has taken this poll and owned. >> it he said new york values are the recovery after 9/11, it's cops, firefighters, family, central park and he's owned it and made it his own and ted cruz came into that gop state party gala last night and it was awkward, uncomfortable, donald trump was all jokes. he owned the room, we talked about his long and storied

history in new york city. even though a good portion of that crowd is not necessarily on the side of donald trump, they were warm to him because he is a new yorker. ted cruz came in, the new york values thing didn't help him and he seemed very much out of place. >> it's not just a new york thing with ted cruz. i think we're starting to realize there was an overreaction to what happened in wisconsin and ted cruz got up there on primary night and said "this is a turning point." how times have we heard there's been a turning point in the republican race. it's not just new york where he's about to get clobbered. a week later, pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut, delaware, he looks like he'll get wiped out in the northeast. we'll have a situation where after wisconsin saw saw the delegate gap close to 200 and we said wow, we're going to get this open convention, cruz has momentum. i think trump will be sitting on a 450 delegate lead and we'll be back to saying he can get that magic number. >> katy talks about the fact he is focusing more on organizing. bringing people in who are

establishment figures to help him land this plane and if you talk to officials within the republican party they say, look, he's talking about the fact that he could clinch this nomination. they're not so sure he won't do it. they think he has a real chance and if he gets to the convention within 100 points of that number he needs he could very well -- i would push back -- >> to your point. the states that you're talking about, pennsylvania, connecticut, new york, they're all blue states and i think i highlights ted cruz's political education the way he came to know the system. any republican that's grown up in the modern republican party has been becoming this party of the south and he clearly never expected it to come to this place where he doesn't actually have his feet underneath him. i'm curious if that will continue into the convention. he's going to have to figure out the politics of an establishment. >> this is the real barrier. >> let me go to two points on these states because i want to talk about what the cruz

campaign feels like they're going to do. this is information we're learning about the northeast, the idea that in pennsylvania they believe they can get upwards of 30 delegates right now. in maryland they believe they can be successful. i know it's surprising. these are more moderate states but it comes down the fact here's the bottom line, it doesn't matter how well organized you are from a delegate perspective. if you don't get to a contested convention. >> here's why that number from pennsylvania, 30, i would be stunned if they hit 30 in pennsylvania and i'll tell you why. there's a survey of delegates. pennsylvania has this weird system. 17 to the statewide winner 5, 4 unbound in the primary. they're free agents. we say that's where cruz has done well. the majority of those candidates say they will vote the way their district votes. so there are 20 people on the record in pennsylvania running for delegates saying they will go for cruz. cruz is getting clobbered in the polls. i'm not sure how many of those 20 can get elected because

they'll probably lose out to trump delegates but you have the majority who say i'm going go with the will of my district. if they're saying that now and their district goes for trump by 30 points, good luck. >> use your white board, steve. >> you have to look at what the campaign is saying themselves. they have tempered their expectations, toned down their confidence when it comes to their delegate number. at first a few weeks ago they were saying we'll get to 1450 no problem, then 1400, then 1300 now i think it's 1265. so they've totally brought it down quite a bit. they think they'll reach the threshold but it's not a sure thing whatsoever. >> so we've been talking obviously about the republican side and whether or not this process is democratic. we on the flip side on the democratic race there's a similar argument going on. as you talk to -- i think we saw a bit of this in the debate last night and it's starting to bubble up into the surface on the sanders campaign because

they're talking about winning over super delegates. >> and to contest the convention on the democratic side. >> exactly. and i think kristen you've covered the clinton campaign for a long time. i'm curious what they think about whether or not their super delegates have any chance of going over to sanders' side if, in fact, they start to push on a concerted super delegates strategy. >> it's a great strategy and i'll answer from within the clinton campaign but democratic officials think it is unlikely that's going to start to happen in a significant way, in a way that's going to make a big difference. here's the other point the clinton campaign is making right now. they think if they win new york convincingly by double digits if they rake up a lot of delegates here, if they have a strong showing in pennsylvania, new york, connecticut, states where they focus on heavily after next tuesday that they could potentially lock up this nomination as early as the middle of may and if that happens it's going to be difficult for senator sanders to convince any of those super delegates, and if that trend starts to happen to come over to

his side and the proof is in the pudding. he hasn't been that successful thus far. you can count on one hand the number of super delegates who have switched over. >> in the debate last night, it was interesting. it was so feisty, the tone was so different than what we've seen. you think back to the first debate and now where we are here at this point. and it feels as though bernie sanders is now almost more of a nuisance to hillary clinton than she ever expected. >> don't say that to bernie sanders. [ laughter ] >> and senator sanders seeing that moment as his last shot to have a comeback. he had to lay it on the line to win new york. she is leading him by double digits. >> he said something in that debate that stuck with me. they asked him you're behind a couple hundred in the delegate count and he said this before, he seems to be saying hillary clinton's wins in the south -- he says the deep south, he calls it the most conservative part of the country. he seems to say they don't matter. he's saying look at the blue

states. it's a strange argument to make when you're the candidate that says "i'm the 50 state guy, i'm the democrat who will go into mississippi, wyoming, i'll win these places." it so's a strange argument. the other thing is i said okay, let's take that long i can. let's take all the red states that have voted and add up the blue states that have voted in democratic primaries and caucuses so far. she's still ahead by half a million votes. >> she showed up at new york public housing today and that's precisely because she appears like she's not talking to the working class voter. she's not talking about -- that's why she showed up there today and she got in the plane after that and went to california and is at a fund-raiser. >> and the sanders campaign is just up with a new ad running opposite that fund-raiser touting his $27. >> and she's trying to change the message. to stand in public housing in new york city is not something that she has done and it's a very important image for her campaign to go out there and say

no, listen, i'm working for you. >> that's a great point. but to both of your points. the neither of the democratic candidates have visited public housing, she's doing a little counterprogramming here because of her fund-raiser tonight and because, of course, senator sanders is at the vatican so she wants to say, hey, i'm campaigning in new york but the african-american vote who is so critical in the south and saying i'm the candidate here for you, you helped me to have these big wins throughout the south and now i'll be here for you in new york and the northeast. >> it's a giant voting block that has gone untapped. >> one thing i would touch on just to broaden out this lens on this race, think about how far senator sanders has come. i think you're seeing as he head into new york him talking about this race and saying that he went to italy because it was essentially a bucket list item. it was something he said, you know, if i had passed up this

opportunity i would have regretted it for the rest of my life. the fact he got this is because he's presidential candidate sanders. >> he got the trip to the vatican and "hamilton" tickets. >> not a bad gig. >> before we go to break, you raised the vatican, a lot of his supporters concerned, wait a minute, is he not wasting precious hours, precious days that he could be here fighting for new york? what's the campaign saying. >> the campaign says it's just a day and this gives him a chance to play on the world stage and this he'll be back in new york. he'll have two more of those big mega rallies, one here in brooklyn in prospect park tomorrow so they'll push forward with a show of force. >> and it will be a very busy weekend for all of us here in new york and the road warriors does keep trekking right after a quick break. we are going to explore just how ugly this race has gotten for the democrats and the republicans after a quick break. stay with us.

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whatever it is you civilians do when you're not thinking about car insurance. compare.com >> she's back there, little katie. she's back there. [ boos ] what a lie it was. no, what a lie, katy tur. what a lie it was from nbc to have written that. it was a total lie. and they did a story where they -- i didn't know they had a group like this, where they actually criticized the media. and they said it was a total lie. and i loved it. i loved it. i loved it. and then other people pick it up. it's nbc so somebody picks it up. third-rate reporter. >> welcome back. it'm little katy, the third rate reporter. >> you're our first rate reporter. >> we're hear at brooklyn bridge

park, welcome back "the road warriors" and that's just an example of the tone of this campaign. donald trump calling me out back in december, december 7, for some reporting i did that he did not like. basically it surrounded protesters at an event in north carolina. this was the first time that protesters really started to disrupt him in an organized way. there were ten disruptions that night and by the end of it, by the tenth one, donald trump appeared to pretty abruptly stop his rally shorter than usual and stop speaking and instead go shake hands with those in the crowd. he was furious over that because he said it made him appear that he was given in to protesters much in the same way that bernie sanders stepped back from the mike during the black lives matter protests that took over the mike with him. so after that happened, after he called me out, after it kind of blew up on the national media, because that was being played nationally, i kept getting asked questions about the tone. how do you feel about donald trump going after you?

is this an example of him trying to rat al crowd enough to go into a frenzy and to potentially get dangerous? i don't necessarily think that's the case but i think it's a very good example of how this tone has been unlike any presidential campaign that we have seen in the past. donald trump leading the way with that, insulting many other candidates. >> in a two-pronged way. >> and the reporters who cover him. >> so it's the media and the other candidates and when you talk about that, it's been on the republican side successful. ted cruz -- >> but never this personal. this is a whole different level. what katy deals with, she should be given a medal for what you deal with on a daily basis on the trail. >> do you hear anything -- when something like that happens, do you later hear from him or somebody -- >> no, no. >> is there any kind of follow-up? >> no, i can tell you that it was a jarring -- certainly a jarring moment and secret

service walked me back to my car that night because there's 7,000 people in that room and they're all turning around and booing you and there are security concerns involved in that. but from the campaign, no, they don't reach out and say -- >> there's no sorry, you got out of control? >> it's more like you deserved this because you're a dishonest reporter and liar and we think what you say is wrong. >> i've had my fair share of spats with presidential campaigns. >> donald trump has called you out as well. he's called kasie and hallie as well. >> i covered mitt romney in 2012 and there were certainly times when i had extended back-and-forths with the campaign at the highest level but never did i feel as though the campaign was putting me underfy sort of physical threat or any of the things that we're now suddenly dealing with in 2016 and it seems like this is something that's dragged out across the course. you were on the leading edge of

this trend. >> what a leading edge to be on. >> it started with the interview i had with time in july when the campaign first started bubbling and the interview got contentious at times. i didn't realize how contentious it was until i watched it later and the vitriol i received on line was something that i had never experienced before. suddenly twitter was going off every 20 seconds with somebody saying nasty things and it just spiralled from there. >> that's happening on both sides as well to a certain degree. what you're dealing with is at a level that i'm not sure we're seeing elsewhere but supporters of bernie sanders have sometimes run into trouble when they've confronted hillary clinton supporters and i'm sure all of you experienced this. the twitter feedback is extraordinarily negative to the point where i almost feel like you have to shut it out. >> but i wonder about this because do we have a conversation that starts on twitter and is more isolated than it is and we sort of

extrapolate and say this is the public -- i've gone this whole bernie bro phenomenon you're talking about. >> that lives on twitter. >> there have been male bernie sanders supporters who have been angry at me and said horrible things about me. that said, there have been hillary clinton supporters who have said horrible things about me. the common thread here is people are saying horrible things about me. [ laughter ] >> but also the candidates, too. one of the things we've seen, it's the trump effect. going online and tweeting about lying ted and little marco and doing these insults on line, that's reverberated through the campaign and you're seeing these candidates do that. for a long time we weren't talking about the tone in the democratic race at all. >> it was a civilized race. >> look how it affected the republican race. jeb bush called donald trump a jerk. >> marco rubio said he had small hands. >> what does that mean? and let it hang for a second and that, of course, went to donald trump talking about his hands on a debate stage.

the tone of this campaign -- >> hasn't trump proven what you're saying? that rubio said i regret it, jeb bush ends up out of the race. i've heard people say oh, no, this is the start of a horrible new trend in american politics. i think trump is probably the only guy who can pull this off. >> and going back to haley's point quickly, the democrats were the civilized one in this race and now we are seeing the tone get very ugly between them as well, senator sanders calling secretary clinton unqualified, secretary clinton questioning his qualifications in a more subtle way but they're throwing sharp jabs and it's had a backlash for voters. we saw this in the debate. >> what about when it's trump versus clinton. >> that would be the gloves off -- the gloves have already come off. >> i have a feeling we'll get further down into the ditch. a little more on this. we'll take a quick break. when we come back we'll look at who these people are. the candidates we've been able to get a sense of as we watch

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>> i went back and watched some of the punditry when you first

announced on the capitol steps. >> and what did they say? did they predict we'd be neck in neck? >> somebody called you a loon. somebody said you were 75 but look 91. >> [ laughter ] those were the nice comments. then there was really some not nice comments, right? >> what do you say to those pundits? >> you know what i also said way back when i don't know if you heard. i said don't underestimate me. don't underestimate me. >> welcome back to brooklyn, the birthplace of bernie sanders who i've been following for the past couple of months a man who i'm not sure ever expected to be where he ended up even when he first announced he was running for president and i think you could sense that there. it's now an argument he's still trying to make on the campaign trail, still trying to remind us, hey, we've come so far. it's starting to become a harder argument to make. but we've all gotten a chance to see these candidates unclose and personal and katy, i want to ask

you. donald trump seems to be -- he went to the correspondent's dinner, he looked around, he was ridiculed and people said he could never be president. what do you know that you think other people don't know? >> i think he's been setting his sights on the presidency for years and maybe that dinner when where president obama called him out was the impetus. but i don't think donald trump -- and i know from sources who said they've spoken to him expected to get this far the campaign was a protest candidacy. he wanted to see how well he would. do it's part of his brand but it took off. who what's he like behind the scenes? he's donald trump. very much like he is on stage. >> that's why he does so well. that's why voters like him. >> he's incredibly charismatic

he is charming there the same way bill clinton is charming. when he's speaking to you you feel like you're the only person in the room and he can be engaging and lure you in but if he doesn't like you and you make him angry, he's got his daggers out, he's got a knife and he was not afraid to metaphorically cut you. >> and to some extent that the's the challenge of the front-runner on the democratic side. hillary clinton, i think a lot of people see her as scripted and they want to know who she is and they wish she should show more of herself on the trail and having had some private conversations with her it's a cliche. it's true on a personal level she can be very warm and personable. she's not always scripted. she a wonk, by the way, she l e loves to talk policy and she loves being a mom and grand mom. >> the exact opposite of donald trump. >> exactly. >> what is your sense, then? what is holding her back? i heard the same thing in 2008, i heard the same thing when she ran for the senate -- i heard it when she was first lady.

>> i don't think she -- i think that that is the way in which she is most comfortable in front of an audience. i will say, however, we have seen her get a whole lot more comfortable i think in terms of delivering these speeches, particularly in town halls. >> you see a difference. >> when she's answering questions and she's been campaigning with the black lives matter mothers -- the mothers who have lost sons to gun violence and i think we've seen a side to her that is much more. we've seen that mom side of her come out more because she's felt the pain. >> i think a lot of them become better candidates as they go along. i think you've seen with ted cruz he to me since last summer, he's gotten more comfortable, more confident, he's able to do these more intimate events more easily. and one of the knots against shim the perceptions but of inauthenticity, something we saw

with donald trump. he seems visceral to people. >> can you explain the suit? i want an explanation. >> what is the suit? >> after they got married he bought 100 cans of soup and put them in their pantry and she said why would you buy a hundred cans of soup and they returned them -- >> hold on, she said she had to have a hard conversation with him about the soup and buying 100 cans of soup. what does that consist of? >> what's interesting about that story is that it illustrates the role ted cruz's family plays for him on the campaign trail. when he is out with his daughters, a lot of these candidates, his face lights up. when the war on wives issue happened, when donald trump retweeted that picture -- >> it was personal for him. >> he was very angry. >> that was very authentic. >> very real. it gave him a chance to show, listen, i'm mad, donald trump, you are a sniveling coward and we are not going to take it. now he still as he said to me -- or said he would still support him if he were the nominee or have a hard time -- >> that's what people find to be

inauthentic. that right there. you're calling out someone you're saying is a sniveling coward, how dare he insult your family, donald trump is terrible, dangerous, horrible for this country but they all still say and stood on stage and ted cruz, john kasich, marco rubio, i would support him if he was the nominee. there were voters who watch that and think to themselves what is do you mean he's dangerous? >> and trump stands up there and says hey i don't need the guy, endorse me, don't endorse me. >> i think the candidates' interaction with their families is the most interesting thing. sanders travels wherever with his wife jane. and we know him as this curmudgeonly guy who's willing to snap at you if you don't want to talk about trade. >> the "snl" sketch. >> but you watch him with his wife jane, he could not be more solicitous or gentle or nice. every meeting he has, he introduces "my wife jane." it's a remarkable view. we got a glimpse of that with

donald trump and his family the other night. >> i think the real accent donald trump has with his family, he's got these well-spoken successful very well-poised and polished children, melania is very poised and polished and i think americans see them and think think i want my family to be as polish polish polished as donald trump's family is. look how amazing they are. he must not be so bad if his family is this lovely. >> i tend to agree. in the interest of full disclosure when i see trump and his family, i once got laid of from a publication his son-in-law owned so i may have a slightly different -- >> a different reaction. >> but you ended up in a good pla place. >> we're going to squeeze a quick break in here on the "road warriors" and some other guy sitting here. we're talking about the delegates. the delegate fight in both parties.

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secretary clinton -- >> hi! nice to see you. greet see you. >> you lost iowa in 2008, how do you win this time? what's your strategy? >> i'm having a great time. can't look forward any more than i am. thank you. >> welcome back to the road warriors broadcasting here from underneath the beautiful brooklyn bridge that was a clip, if you can believe it,over me trying to interview secretary clinton -- emphasis on the word "trying -- a year ago almost to the day in leclair, iowa, her first campaign trip, my first campaign trip trying to get a sense of her strategy. how is she going to win iowa. >> ignore the media as much as possible. >> absolutely. >> and what was fascinating about that moment, she didn't

seem to have a sense of how to respond in the moment, how to be spontaneous, what we were just talking about. but it begs the question, could she have imagined where she would be a year later? i think her campaign very much thought they would have had this wrapped up or closed to wrapped up by now and that's not the case. she's locked in a fight with senator sanders who just won seven straight contests. he has momentum. she has the delegate lead. i've been talking to her campaign over the past several days. they're feeling very strong about new york, they want to have a big win here. they are looking forward to states like connecticut and pennsylvania. think feel like they need to have big wins in those states in order to clinch the nomination think they potentially by the middle of may, but, steve, how difficult will that path be? >> i remember talking to somebody with the clinton campaign about a year ago when this started and just to -- how far bernie sanders has come. >> stunning. >> they were talking about -- this was a big thing for them to say, we will compete in the

first four states. i mean, they were talking about it like it's the grapefruit league here, a couple at-bats, get the rust off and get ready for the general election. here we are talking about 20 states sanders has been winning. 1800 delegates. there's two things. if you want to say bernie sanders, can he still catch her, there's two problems. the first is is the pledged delegates, these pry v primaries and caucuses, if he loses new york by a few point he is falls farther behind in the delegate race. no much thing as a moral victory anymore, he needs actual delegates. but if they catch her in the pledged delegates, then super delegates, they have to revisit it and come around and go to sanders. the problem is even if he does that he's probably behind in the popular vote. so if those super delegates want to be with hillary, they'll still have something they can say to justify it. >> talking about the nitty-gritty of how this process works, the delegates, the super delegates, the unbound

delegates, the zombie delegates. i don't think the american public has heard this much about delegates in the past campaign. >> cable tv, all going for the big ratings with delegate talk. [ laughter ] >> pulling out the xs and os. >> katy's right. the clinton campaign will remind you of this. her delegate lead is actually larger than senator obama's back in 2008 just to give you a sense of how strong the delegate lead is and yet, kasie, the sanders campaign says we have a path, we are not giving up and not giving in. >> not only do they say they still have a path but they're saying i was talking to tad devine at the debate hall spin room and he's saying sanders has already made the decision that he is staying in through the district of columbia's primary on the democratic side on june 14. >> wow. >> no matter what happens in new york, no matter chance and the quickest way to make bernie sanders angry at you as a reporter on the trail is to

suggest in a question that he should think about dropping out of the race or maybe he can't win the race. it's easy to get him to go off that way. for the clinton cam parngs you were talking about that interview a year ago, think about how the media environment has changed for hillary clinton. it was just about a year ago reporters were literally running behind alex seitz-wald, our intrepid clinton reporter, to catch a glimpse of the scooby van. and this is how -- >> right, right. >> >> and now she's going to have to have a parade and run against a guy who knows how to play the national media more than anyone. >> from the media standpoint, how do you cover this? what kristin is saying is true, this is a bigger lead in delegates than obama ever had in 2008 but here's the thing, the expectation is she was going to win by like 1500 delegates, he might get competitive even n one state. >> he would have it wrapped up in february. >> so the math is on her side

but he's probably going to win six or seven more states and come closer -- he's doing so much better than anyone expected. >> the big board is helpful to have when you explain the delegate map. on the republican side, this is something like the political reporter's dream, a contested convention in 2012 people were saying maybe there would be a chance now there's a real shot. you look at ted cruz's campaign and the organization comparing trump's organization versus cruz's, we know from campaign sources they were looking at delegate strategy even back in june. now they believe they can go into places like for example, nebraska, which i know you like to talk about the sleeper battleground. and do really real moving forward. the bottom line though if it goes to a first ballot there will be an issue. i want to do one quick note on the stop trump movement because they are getting involved in the delegate strategy. i spoke with a strategist who pointed out two tactics they'll take. number one delegates, what's the messaging to specific delegates,

what phone calls are you making? how will you change their minds if they are, for example, first ballot supporters of donald trump and what will be most effective when donald trump points to disenfranchisement if. >> if they do this and we get into the second ballot at the convention, what happens then? how angry will the people get? >> exactly. these are new people. >> absolutely! >> riots in cleveland? i think nobody is taking that off the table right now and that is what is so fascinating about this. this delegate talk goes over the heads of a lot of americans. they feel disenfranchised and cut out of the system. >> he's such a hos spot in american politics. >> this is my litmus test for whether we'll have a contested convention or no. indiana. tell me who wins indiana may 3. if trump wins i think there's no contested convention but if cruz wins there -- and he could -- we have a real shot at that. >> hallie, the one final point is how do they win the delegates over without pushing them too hard and that's one of the things senator sanders is dealing with. speaking of all of this, ted cruz just announced he's heading

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much we do a lot of live shots from moving car, heading from campaign event to campaign event. here's what we see when we're doing that. we have three phones, one to call the satellite operator, one to call the control room so i can listen to the show then we hit "record" or "go live." it streams in back to 30 rock, we make sure the backseat is clean, sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. >> and thank you to all those of you who noticed those messy backseats and say no to e-mails on twitter. >> we live in our rental cars. the amazing thing about technology. bringing reports in. we were next to the ted cruz bus, it happened we were leaving a barbecue place in south carolina and the producers in the front seat driving and you're in the other seat as long as you have an iphone and you can go live and talk. >> but you know that image, it freezes on the most uncomfortable spot. >> absolutely. and you're like exiting to have

it start, it doesn't, it freezes and you lose it and technology works both ways. i was racing to a "nightly news" live shot in the middle of iowa with producer john boxly who couldn't get a signal to feed in our track for "nightly news," my voiceover for nightly news. we wound up pulling over, i think we have a picture of it, on to a very random side road. we thought where are we is this are we ever going to find our way out? but we got a signal. and sometimes that's the challenge. >> and that's the question i have to tell you guys, what is ted cruz like is the number one question i get the most, the second is how do you -- how does it happen? what do you eat? i say steak and shake. casey's general store chicken patties. >> laundry is the worst. you have to spend two nights in the same hotel if you want to do your laundry. >> two nights in the same hotel is amazing. >> a luxury. >> total luxury. especially during the time when the primaries are bumping up against each other between january and late march. i think all of us were on the road every single day but i was

in a plane once or twice a day for over a month. >> two months. >> and then you're sleeping in hotels and packing up and wearing -- you're just trying to rotate your clothes so nobody notices maybe you're wearing the same sweater. >> do you bring snacks? >> absolutely. those protein peanut butter packets with the honey on top, i live off of them. because at donald trump rallies you're penned in, you're literally not allowed to leave and you get hungry. >> usually my road warrior is taking the subway but they sent me out on the road basically in february. here's the thing for me. i have a terrifying fear of flying. i went 16 and a half years of my life without flying an airplane and i flew more in the month of february than i have in my entire life. >> did you kick that fear? >> not really. >> i almost -- well, there was a -- i didn't know what the procedure was on the airplane and so i'm sitting in -- it's a

very small plane. >> you were one of the ones the instructions were for! >> i give -- if anybody is in that bathroom more than three minutes i say "is something going on in there?" but the cockpit door was -- is a tiny plane, 20 people and the cockpit door was open, way, here's my best story. i'm know warrior. they sent me to las vegas. the nevada caucuses. legalized sports betting. this is february. i went into it and said the future ncaa basketball champion. i took villanova. and then i went to find it.

i accidentally shredded. >> but packing is actually, it's incredible challenging. i think people don't realize, everyone says how do you pack that many clothes. the question is you have to get a really big suitcase. my suitcase weighs 70 pounds. >> i know. >> what i've done, i've gone and bought the same sweater in 16 different colors. >> yeah. >> 16 different colors. like a few pairs of pants like two pairs of shoes and you rotate over. >> good for you. >> there's pluses and aminuses, i was going to say, bernie sanders is the only candidate to do what most candidates has done that's especially rent a charter plane and fly it all over america. one day we started in cleveland, ohio, we went to flint, michigan, chicago, then ended in hibing minnesota, we went to the

high school that bob dylan graduated. year up and down so many times, in the hours of the night, that frankly airplanes don't even fly. you're touching down in the evening and morning. >> with eastern airlines, i've gotten more questions about the logos on the side of bernie sanders' plane. they've resuscitated it. the airline that bernie sanders is flying goes back and forth from cuba. >> what is the toughest for you? >> finding the balance with your life. family and friends and spouses. when you're on the road, you know thousand is, you're up at 6:00 a.m. for "morning joe" and doing "today" show. it's sort of working in that time. but it's also really fun. you get to think about what vacation you're going to take at the end. >> right. >> exactly. >> it is really hard. it's hard because you have your

friends text or your loved ones text. they see you on tv. they want to talk to you about a crazy thing what happened. i think i have 200 unanswered text messages from people on my phone. i've gotten like 40,000 e-mails. i'm considering an outgoing message that says i will get back to you in november. i'm very sorry. >> i mean, it is, it's really exciting to see mor of the country than you've ever dreamed you'd see. >> i was going places that you wouldn't think of for vacation or something. >> right. >> it was great. >> yeah. the university is right there. my challenge is finding a qdoba everywhere i go. >> mine is subway. i have to say the best thing is the friends that you make, also relationships with colleagues as well. we've done all of these things together. we'll probably be friends for a really long time. sort of the experiences that you share with people in spaces

under, quite frankly, difficult circumstances sometimes. >> they're putting their hands over their heart. >> i think what would surprise people is the relationship you form with your colleagues at nbc. and also the colleagues at the other news outlets that you're competing. you're in this fierce competition but at the same time, you do have each other's backs. >> we've been there. >> we all do. i will say it's very rare, of course, that we're all in the same place at the same time because we get a chance to do this. we'll be right back, take one more break. some final thoughts when we come back. ♪ ♪ (laughing) there's nothing like making their day. except making sure their tomorrow is taken care of too.

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♪ all right. we are back, time for some final thoughts with the "road warriors." katy tur, we're going to start with you, new york, the northeast primaries, end of april, where do you think the story is? >> i think donald trump will be

close but he does not have the number of ballots he needs to win on the first ballot. and we're going to be talk about how he's able to woo these unbound ballots. and when there be there are massive riot. >> to that point, we'll talk about whether the republican party is willing to marry ted cruz. they've been dating hill for quite a while. plenty of suitors but i don't think we're at the point where he's managed to bridge the gap. i think if we're talking about trump potentially winning, it's going to be up to him to win and figure out how to do it. >> for cruz and gop, we're looking to indiana and california, and its 172 delegates on june 7th. >> clinton is in california this weekend. in fact, she's focusing heavily there. i think you'll see secretary clinton fighting on two fronts, senator sanders and donald trump. we've seen her roll out this strategy against donald trump i think she'll need to ramp it up.

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