>> that is five seconds, kerry. >> i was going to say bernie sanders, bernie frank, you guys had a conversation about the caucus versus primary. bernie sanders does better in caucuses versus primaries because it's a much higher -- >> he also talks about higher turnout, too. some people see a little contradiction there. any way, thank you, chuck will be back tomorrow and "with all due respect" starts now. with all due respect to hillary clinton's list of favorite new york foods, what's this? chopped liver? >> happy tax,/boston marathon/animal crackers day. another rodeo weekend.

this time in wyoming and georgia where cruz' gang swept up delegates narrowing donald j. trump's lead. cruz has never been closer to securing the nomination and yet, you heard names miles and miles and miles yonder. he'd have to win 8 oc0% and tru is expected to diminish chances more with a likely win in new york tomorrow. no surprise on a good morning america town hall this morning, cruz was again asked by a voter if he'd ever consider being trump's running mate. here is his answer. >> i have zero interest whatsoever in -- [ applause ] >> and there are a lot of reasons but perhaps the simplest, if donald is the nominee, hillary wins by double digits and i don't think there is anything we can do to change

that. >> that's not the first time ted cruz said that. he said it before and will say it again. do you take him seriously? >> i know why he's saying it but i believe there is a convention scenario, at this point the third most likely to my mind after trump winning out right majority and cruz winning on the second or third ballot, when talk happens, if talk happens of a third candidate, kasich or someone else who way behind in the delegate tally or has no delegates is brought up. those two guys combining is the simplest way to undeadlock the convention. >> i'll tell you what donald trump would say. he'd say i called the guy lying ted every day. he's a liar. there is no doubt he would, and here is the other thing. >> they both say it was just politics. >> here is the thing. there is never been anybody that i know of whose been offered the vice presidential -- never said they wanted to be vice president and none of them offered the opportunity say no. there is no sense for someone running for president to accept in advance the notion of a

secondary job, under study job but when you're offered the chance to be the second most powerful person in the united states and be a heart beat away from the presidency, the offer is too tempting to resist. >> cruz says well, trump would lose. why would i want to be on a losing ticket? i could help him win or if he loses, i would be the vice presidential nominee knee and i don't think either of them would walk away and let a third person be the nominee if between them they have well over 1,000 delegates. >> fair to say there is a lot of ac acre moan knee between them. they are more aligned than at odds. >> i do think it only happens to breaking deadlock. a little bit before cruz was scheduled for an appearance on good morning america, donald trump was busy tweeting away about the texas senator writing quote lying ted cruz can't win with the voters so he has to sell himself to the bosses.

i'm million votes ahead. hillary will destroy him and/or k meaning kasich, later on gmc the kasichs were asked about the tone of the republican race and what it's like to be on the wrong end of trump's personal attacks. here is what heidi cruz said. >> one of the qualities i've admired about ted is incredibly how flappable he is. things don't bother ted that bother most and a reason for that that i've seen over the last 16 years is because ted is in politics for the issues to focus on the issues, to get things done and really does depersonalize a lot of these attacks. >> if that sounds familiar to you if you're a regular viewer, that's because ted cruz said the same thing in his interview with us on friday. >> this should not be personal. it's not about him. it's not about me. it's about the country or who has real solutions, millions of americans are hurting, wakes

have stagnated for over a decade and so what i'm focused on every day is how do we bring manufacturing jobs back to new york? how do we see wages rise and young people come out of school with job offers? i focus on every day is lifting the burden of washington on small businesses, repealing obamacare, pulling back the regulators killing small businesses, stopping amnesty. those are the solutions we need to the real problem that it's why we're getting so much support across the country. >> john, do you believe ted cruz when he says he takes it less personally? >> donald trump calls the man lying ted cruz. i'm joking. what i think is that was as i said an example of the thing in that interview, one of the most boiler play when he made that pivot. i think it would be hard if he's a human being to not personalize the attacks and the nature of the attacks donald trump launched against him and at one point very insultingly about his

wife and the implication of insult. it would be weird if he didn't take it personally. do i think cruz is more or less capable of depersonalizing? i don't see evidence of that. trump got under his skin on some occasions. >> dip deep into the disagreement zone here. i believe stuff about his wife did bother him. he's a lot like dick cheney. his attitude is what do i care what else else says? he had an advantage because it doesn't rattle him. it doesn't get under his skin. he gets what politics is like. it's a big advantage for him and he's better at letting it go off his back. >> there is ban, i'll agree with you that i think he may be a little better than the worst politicians but again, seems to me throughout the race he is less discombobulated than jeb bush was. >> or marco rubio.

>> there are moments into the questions around his wife it cut close to the bone. >> it does cause him to be s sarcastic and not funny at times. it doesn't personally get to him. >> sort of getting to him. as donald trump's team positions itself for a big new york victory, supporters are expressing optimism about chances of securing the notary public -- nomination with forces at state and county conventions, friends of the donald are saying publicly trump must, must win the nomination on a first ballot. so mark, is that smart? >> i understand what they are doing. first of all, some are saying it because they think it's true. i don't think it's entirely true though it's looking more and more that way. they are saying it to encourage people to get on board saying we got to do this on the first ballot but man, it's dumb to be so emphatic. our chances are better. we can't win on a second ballot. that is a self-fulfilling

prophesy. >> let's just get this done, let's take care of business. there is a lot of ways to extort your potential supporters without talking about like the doomsday scenario because look, they are headed to a complicated scenario. i think it is true if he doesn't win on the first ballot, he's unlikely, not 100% unlikely but it seems to me to serve less purpose than you think it serves in early thes of the motivation. basically like just get out there and win the primaries, guys. >> let's say trump performs really well. then on the second ballot, he'd have fewer votes. at that point we go to what we first talked about, then trump says be my running mate and let's end this now. >> i think the place we're in agreement is this, this message is as two audiences, one is the media, no upside in telling the media it's do or die. >> big downside. >> and i don't think it motivates any voter. voters think you got to rally

them around donald trump. >> might motivate delegates unbound. >> maybe a few but mostly mostly let's go win the primaries. >> i agree. don't get it. all right. up next if bernie sanders meets the pope and nobody takes pictures, does it make a sound? we'll answer that met fiscal, philosophical question after this. >> i like that question, that's funny. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers.

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it was another bernie banner weekend, records are meant to be broken. bernie sanders held the biggest rally drawing 28,000 people to brooklyn. despite the love and support that would allow victims of 9/11 victims to sue saudi arabia. the senator showed no concrete signs of closing the gap with hillary clinton in new york state only one day before tomorrow's primary.

in most empire state polls, sanders still dritrails by low double digits. with his time on the ground, why has bernie sanders not seemed to have move numbers here in new york? >> i find -- i actually on the basis of the historical trend i find the puzzling. it does not end what it speaks to more than anything is hillary clinton's fire wall is actually much more durable than some of us thought it would be, that it's very strong and she played her cards right especially on the issue of guns which really does matter in a lot of places he's campaigned hard into the city where she continues to have advantage on that issue. >> she has worked the state hard and flaunted expertise about how to run in new york. i think she's had maybe more good days than he has but certainly as many and she has done what she's done from the very beginning when it was clear to her bernie sanders was the main opponent. she's tried to use guns, the issues of gun and gun control to blunt attacks like wall street.

she's also not paid any price for hugging him on the minimum wage. >> fracking. >> fracking or on trade issues and i think that he has failed to change the dynamic of the race by doing anything dramatic. he's basically campaigned hard, debated her hard but not done anything to change the dynamic of the race here. >> again, not only to be repetitive but the gun issue is a huge problem throughout the democratic nomination fight and really maybe in new york and new york city more than any other place in the country it is a powerful argument for her. it works to her advantage. >> one more quick thing you've seen her surrogate activity in new york. all right. on friday and in fact for much of last week, mark and i expressed, shall we say, skepticism about the wisdom of bernie sanders leaving new york in the middle of his primary campaign to speak at a vatican. here is a quick refresher.

>> i have to say, given where he stands right now in the new york race, it would have been better to find a place called rome new york than rome italy. >> i think they had a secret reason. >> the pope will show up. >> maybe. i think what they said was true, bernie sanders wanted to go, he thought it was an honor to be included but man, it just makes no more sense than it did before. i predicted it would be cancelled, might as well have been. >> turns out bernie sanders did get to meet with the pope privately on saturday, though, there were no selfies or pictures documenting the encounter so mark, given everything we know including this papal session, are you having any second thoughts about your skepticism, your criticism of senator sanders trip to the vatican? >> it takes a giant man to admit he was wrong. even though there are no pictures, bernie sanders feels good about the trip. i don't think staying -- >> did you congratulate

yourself? is that how that started? >> no, i don't think that he would have won the new york primary had he stayed, i think he would have kept campaign income a workman like way and this trip made him feel good. he felt spiritually good if he's capable of that, whatever. he felt good about going. felt good about going. >> he's a happy man. glad he met the pope. honored, participated in this conference. good thing he went. >> i will to the day i die i will say i think there is not a seasoned political veteran campaign strategist and i'm sure deep in their hearts many people -- >> not that deep. >> not that deep. close to the surface would have said we would really rather spend this day in new york. the main thing that will be a saving grace weird way if he loses this democratic nomination by ten points or 12 points as much of the polling suggests, he'll at least be able to look back and say well, it didn't cost me the primary. i still continue to believe if he loses by a point or two there

will be people in his inner circle he'll think i don't know if that was worth it. >> the thing i don't get i'm eager to discuss with ted and if he's watching in the green room, ted, get ready to answer this. they did a huge rally in brooklyn and in washington square park. why didn't they do those right out of wisconsin? >> don't know the answer. let's ask tad. >> we'll ask tad. fabled new york state dining critic hillary clinton published a list of her favorite empire restaurants and food stuff on the website thrillest today. it's quite a list. john and i read it and enthusiastic fo enthusiastic foodies, we took note from pizza to barbecue to the hill stone in harlem's fabled restaurant. red rooster, reviewer how good is clinton's food list? >> let's start by admitting the following, many restaurants are unfamiliar because they are

outside the five burros. i have no way of rating them. it's a very political list because the truth is i know the restaurants the clintons go to. i've been to some of them the last few days. they are great restaurants. prime meats the other day. i can name six of seven places they love that are not on this list because they would have displaced places from knee graphically important sports around the state she's trying to take off the list so she has a restaurant in every county in new york. >> you are psychotic. it's a fantastic list. everything on the list i'm familiar with is good. she was a senator from new york. >> i understand -- >> nothing wrong with liking places outside of the five burros. >> there is nothing wrong. >> i won't say that i'm certain senator clinton did it all herself but i'm pretty confident she's eaten at every place on the list and it's a very well curated best of order -- >> i doubt those are the best -- >> she didn't say best. the places she likes. it is the clinton campaign is a

largely competent operation. the creation and execution of the list -- >> it's a political list. >> it's political backed up by quality food. >> red rooster is a great restaurant. >> senator, nicely done. staff working well done. >> staff work really well done. those aren't her favorite. bernie sanders senior advisor tad divine joins us on the set. we'll talk about tomorrow's primary and what's next after these words from our sponsors. p blah.

our first guest may be feeling sunburned from yesterday's bernie sanders event. the vermont senator, thanks for stopping by. tad, i want to talk about the news today. you guys are complaining, upset, unhappy following some complaint against the clinton campaign for coordinated funding in hollywood. explain what that is about. >> there is a lot of reporting in the post political did stuff about the way these joint fundraising committees are operating. the clinton campaign appears to be holding onto the public raising enormous amounts of money and spreading wealth around. it appears what it's happening, they are raising a lot of money and funneling it back into the campaign and paying overhead cost and spending millions of dollars to prospect for low dollar donors. there is one statistic in there, spent 4 hlds to raise 2.2.

this should be looked into and transparency. >> are you suggesting they are violating the fundraising limits? >> i think that is question that needs to be investigated. there is a limit of $2700 for individual contributions. we need more chance perstranspa. also, too, bernie is concerned that many of the things, the reforms let's call them that president obama tried to implement with the party fundraising not taking money from lobbyist proving away from that. he feels we should be moving in the opposite direction, okay, towards the kind of system he has developed himself and implemented in this campaign which is to move away from super pacs and bundle contributions. >> let's talk about the race, 30,000 feet last time jeff was the chair, he had a secret document showing the path to the nomination for bernie sanders. assuming you do not win 60/40

here tomorrow is there a math to it? >> i say this among the ranks -- >> those of us who can do math. >> i'm spending a lot of time counting delegates through the years. just in the last couple weeks we've made ground. we picked up a few delegates over the weekend in colorado. a lot of our people showed up even though there was a blizzard in denver. we can get there by the end and i believe we can have more pledged delegates than hillary clinton when the voting ends in june. >> give us examples of states where you'll make up big amounts of ground, big states. >> 195 behind. >> that's good. >> to be clear, we were 326 behind in the middle of march. >> there is 1675 pledged delegates left to be selected. we got to make less than 200. first of all, in places like

oregon where we'll have a very strong victory like we've had out west and other places, there is 807 pledged delegates on the 7th of june including a huge hole in california. i think by the time we get to california, i believe we can be in a position to win across the board in california. every demographic group and caucus states is a living calendar and as back loaded as the delegate calendar is front loaded. we'll continue to win delegates and delegates in the processes and pick up in four or five there, you know, you win four delegates in a state convention and your opponent, take the four away, that's eight delegates you picked up. that's how we'll do it in some places a little at times and a couple of big days of voting a lot at a time. >> answer the question that mark and i debated earlier in the show, every state that i've seen so far when bernie sanders has come in and had time on the ground and air, he's closed the

gap in an appreciating way and won the states. he has not won the needle and spent a lot of time and money, why has the needle not moved more? >> we'll see how far the needle moves tomorrow. the real clear politics average of pich pimichigan was down 21. one more day but i agree. we haven't seen the public poll movement elsewhere. i think that's to a couple things, one of the strongest groups independents can't vote and getting people into the process when you can change party affiliation was many months before we began to throw and three, this is hillary clinton's home state. she's well-known here and well-liked here and we stipulate with that. four, the electret will be female, male here in new york. there is a lot of places she has real advantage but having said that, i'll tell you, if you're out there yesterday with 30,000 people, hopefully tonight we'll have another if you were in washington square last weekend,

you can feel it. bernie really does get things going and, you know, we hope to have a good day tomorrow and win delegates and next week we got five contests we want to win, you know, all across those states, as well. >> you're not predicting you'll win tomorrow, are you? >> no, i've predicted and you may have caught me saying we'll win wisconsin and i did and i felt confident. i felt that we could win there. listen, the clinton polling said we were 25 down in nevada and lost by five and after nevada we decided we'll take a long and difficult road to the nomination. by the way, we're beginning to see senator bennett at the colorado convention and said senators endorsing hillary clinton saying i'll take a look at who has the most pledged delegates. i think the more people who start saying that and doing that, the more it will be apparent there is a road. >> there is back and forth on the role of superdelegates, totally fine from your point of

view to win this by having superdelegates put you over the top? >> i think it's both candidates need superdelegates. there is no way -- >> if she has more pledged delegates, elected pledged delegates it's totally fine to reverse the lead by winning more superdelegates? >> i do. i think they have an obligation to do what is right for the party. >> don't go anywhere, you're going to stay here because we'll be back with more on the highs and lows of the race and the sanders campaign right after this.

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welcome back. we're here with tad divine. we talked about how you were in brooklyn with this huge rally with your two daughters. are they bernie supporters? >> absolutely. they are under 30. >> despite the size of your crowds, most haven't been to one of these events. tell me what they are like.

>> over a million have. that credits -- what they like is people get together and usually a good atmosphere and sometimes some entertainment, you know, provided and bernie comes in for an hour, you know, to an hour and 15 minutes and talks about his agenda and people get excited. you can see it in their faces and eyes. >> he has been extraordinary candidate in terms of crowd size, just i'd say pretty close to unprecedented for a candidate not in the general election. does that matter? does that have some meaning or do you-all collect e-mail addresses there carefully and have voter contact? >> we did in new hampshire and mattered a lot. we did a lot of organizing in events and did in subsequent states. yes, it matters and helps with the organizing, but i think the thing it does, this is really -- we'll play this out in a big stage in california that he can go into these places and by barn storming, we did it in iowa on a bus. we'll try to do it in a plane in california he can get this tremendous energy unleashed by

his presence. >> let me second guess one decision, i just don't understand. the two rallies, one last night and one in washington, why not do those at the front end of the primary after wisconsin kind of send a message to folks he could out draw here and kind of keep the momentum going? >> we wanted to get on the ground and build, i mean, i think, you know, we felt it was good to have more momentum at the end. 95% of the people who vote in the new york primary will vote tomorrow. if it was early vote, we would have done earlier rallies. >> you pointed out before we have a long way to go and pledged delegates at stake. i'll ask you a question, a halftime question. so far you've been involved with a lot of presidential campaigns. this is a unique one. tell me about the high points, we have things we'll remember for the rest of your life. >> the fact we can go to the fact of the announcement he made on april 30th and less than a month put together 5,000 person event and campaign presence in

new hampshire, that was a g gigantic moment. those rallies and the whole west coast trip was indicative this was something special and unique. you know, i think in the debates, the progress he has made from the first debate where he walked down the national stage from the first time to the last one he showed he's prepared to engage at a serious level as needed. there is a lot of great moments but victories, too, to win michigan the way he won. even, you know, iowa, 15 points down in iowa a month out. >> you've known him for a long time and he's a constant guy but what is something he's done in the campaign that's surprised you? >> to see him move so far so fast as a candidate for president, you know, to be able to walk on that big stage and to command it the way that he does particularly in these large scale events, for someone i've known in a much more smaller setting to see him to go on that large stage and to begin to take it over is incredibly impressive. >> we've given on this show and

on our other show on the circus we've given a fair amount of attention to jane sanders, she would make arguments he needs to show more of the human side. can you thing of an example she's weighed in on a policy matter and had a positive effect? >> she's with him all the time and talks to him constantly about issues, you know, in policy so i mean, that's kind of just a routine thing. i mean, i can't think of anything in particular but jane is a big part of the campaign in a serious and substantive way. she helped me a lot with advertising and approves the ads, the america ad made a change in it. i had bernie speaking at the end and she said it's better to take him out. >> for the record, way more infl infi influential and smarter than jeff weaver. >> the job he's done is incredible and i can't tell you

how much respect and affection i have for him. to build this campaign with nothing to where it is today is a phenomenal management achievement and he deserves a lot of credit. >> you've done a lot of campaigns. this is unique and special. what are two things you've learned from this campaign you teach at a campaign management school? >> you know, the age of campaigning right now is affected so much by technology. that the smart phone is the most powerful technology and i talk about with my students teach at nyu but to take that phone out and push a button and for millions and millions of dollars to come in and organize -- 45 million volunteer phone calls made by volunteers for the sanders campaign. so i think that's lesson number one. lesson number two is an old lesson. if you have the right message and you have a messager credible in delivering it, you can overcome insurmountable odds. >> is there anything you come to

appreciate about hillary clinton that you didn't appreciate before that you admire more? >> she's so disciplined as a candidate and that's a great candidate skill. president obama has that skill, as well. we see it every day in his presidency. >> in this race a lot has been made of some slipups or at least perceived slipups he's had during the two-week period from wisconsin. i'll ask you about two of them, the new york daily news ed. was that a bum wrap? >> it was. jeff said you should read the transcript and when i came to new york, i did. you know, i think i counted him being interrupted 23 times during that. i think we went in very adversary and hostile and people had take aways fund mentally unfair. >> not knowing we don't use subway tokens anymore. >> listen, they both had subway incidents, okay? i think we can live with that one. >> all right. tad, thanks very much. best of luck to you tomorrow. next up, the ying and the yang a

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campaign nicole wallace. >> hi, guys. wow. >> boasts well despite differences and similarities, what could happen tomorrow that's like within the realm of the plausible that would surprise you? >> nothing. right? i mean, trump i think is going to win big. i think the notion that wisconsin was anything other than really an opportunity for the people arguing for him to do some things differently was never the case. i mean, i think it strengthened the hand of people that wanted him to maybe hate tweet mess and pull back from media exposure. he strengthened those people by losing big time in wisconsin. he's made the necessary adjustments and i think he's in a great position. i think maybe the democratic race might be closer than people thought it would be. i thought hillary would be as dominant as trump said he would be. on the republican side, it will be as everyone predicted for awhile, a huge night for trump. >> you heard tad saying well, don't count on -- give me

another day and we'll see how close it is or far it is. what do you expect and what would surprise you on the democratic side? >> i suppose that bernie sanders could do better than we expect and polls are showing and we would be having a conversation about his momentum and energy behind his slice of the e let tri -- electret. i don't think there is anything that can happen tomorrow that puts him -- makes it more likely to get the nomination and on the republican side, i do agree with nicole, i think it's likely that donald trump will be closer to the magic number tomorrow or on wednesday and then the question is what, you know, what really is the opening, how close can he get to the magic number and is he close enough momentum takes him or does the stop trump, never trump, whatever the move the of the day actually have any gas left? >> here is what surprised me the most over the last two weeks. out of wisconsin two national

front runners both hurt coming at home base with the media capital of the world and you look at what cruz, kasich and sanders have done between wisconsin and now, they basically have done traditional campaigning. they have not -- john kasich gave one kind of big speech but otherwise traditional things. nothing that would change the dynamic. do you agree with that? is that the right thing to do? >> i think the kasich campaign was disheartened, disoriented by the fact that the establishment started to move toward cruz. i think that sort of the rubio case against cruz was his case against national security. after wisconsin there was an opening let's take a breath and that case was not made against cruz. cruz has managed to mystify some wings of the establishment by consolidating people that strongly disagree on him. bill crystal and others made the case against his world view for years. >> not enough to be a challenger in new york. >> the other thing he's been

doing as he's been doing from the beginning is a strategy search for delegates. not all of those have been in new york. he's gone in intervening two weeks and picked up delegates that will matter if this becomes a fight at the convention. >> i think this is where he loses by winning. i mean, yes, he is winning. yes, he may end up on the second ballot having more delegates than trump, but i think that what trump has done is he's set up this whole narrative of a rigged system where you don't have to be republican or be trump supporter to, you know, walk around and say yeah, but it's rigged and they are i can toing it from him. that has sunk in and people believe that. >> explain to me how this works. i'm on the record saying i think trump has played this brilliantly and the argument he's making fits in with his brand and with the energy behind him. at the same time, he's doing two-track thing hiring paul and rick wiley to do stuff like the

system is rigged but hire a couple guys playing within a rigged system, right? how does he not get that cont contradiction catch up or more broadly his opponents making the point? >> rhetorically he had the loudest voice literally and figuratively. it's smart. having said that, he knows and smart people have been telling him at the end that will take you only so far. if you don't get the nomination on the first ballot and have the magic number of 1237, this becomes an inside game and becomes direct communication to people who matter and who pushes their levers and how do we get enough votes, enough delegate votes to win? he's got no choice. he's behind in that front. that's something that the cruz campaign has been excelling at from the very beginning. >> trump is so interesting in that he has not made any adjustments to what is really a non-campaign campaign. he's running against the guy with the best campaign organization on either side in awhile. a bush '04, obama '08 like

campaign. it's technically perfect and uses technology. they are finding voters and bringing them in and uturning them. trump has done the things he's mentioned but really isn't playing that game. he's using and riding the bully pulpit to the nomination. it's a gamble but trump-like. >> we have new york and northeastern states. donald trump is -- looks poised to do well. he's in a fight with the republican national committee and they are fighting back saying today we don't care who the nominee is. reince priebus, if you were advising reince priebus would you tell him to keep fighting? >> he's in a position he's winning the temperament game. he's not -- he's not blustery and i don't think you can fight trump with bluster. he's letting trump in on the bluster game but i think by saying on the sunday show, i'm not going to take this

personally. trump is making it very, very personal. >> as he wants to. almost every instance. >> i think, listen, i think in the fight with megyn kelly is a good parallel. when someone attacks your professionali professionalism, you have to stand up, clean that off and say i'm not taking this permly but the rnc is an institution with integrity and on my watch will have the integrity the republican party deserves. i think -- i would advice him to always defend the honor and integrity because i think trump is is taking a big bite out of that. >> does reince priebus get to stay chairman? >> i doubt it. i doubt it. he can't win a public fight with donald trump and he's not going to be able to collaborate with him. this is a conversation he's having right now with other leaders in the republican party that are like stand up straight, help us here and make sure we don't come out the wrong end and if the worst case happens, how do we protect the senate and keep the house?

reince priebus has one eye on those audiences. the public fights hard for him. >> you talked about rigged systems on the republican side and craziness where nobody votes so there is no correlation between the votes and delegates. on the democratic side it's insurance t institutionalized and there is a reason. given the controversy about it, first in 2008 and now in 2016 is that a tenable system going forward for a democratic party to have establishments that can do whatever they want. >> it's tenable. i think this race on both sides has opened up a conversation about the process, people's dissatisfaction about the process. with donald trump as the nominee or not or bernie sanders has a chance at being the nominee or not, those two races have made an impact on both parties and an impact on the e let tret. this isn't the last cycle. >> i totally agree. this morning, i mean, trump and

sanders yanked the curtains down. it used to be an opaque process not because it was secret but opaque unless you were nerds like the four of us, you didn't understand how delegates -- >> or cared. >> or care. now i think it seems threatened and inparoled, i think sanders on the democratic side and trump on the republican side yanked the curtains down and lit them on fire and i do think there will be a cycle long conversation about election reform and i don't think anything happens. >> i feel like in the age of chan transparency that having these vest -- the democratic system has been moving away and more democratic and transparent than superdelegates will have to go at some point soon. not this cycle. >> we'll take them, right? [ laughter ] >> that conversation -- [ laughter ] >> people who feel disconnected from the political process. >> she's not going to want to

get rid of the superdelegates because it will be a huge backup. >> she'll have to contend with that if she wins, she'll have to contend with that and keeping them engaged. >> what are the odds that donald trump if he's the nominee unifies the republican party? >> literally -- >> coming out of cleveland. >> 50/50. >> okay. that's it. that's all we have time for. you don't get to speak. nicole, last word. when we come back, the moment you've all been waiting for. we fuse with cruz, cruz ball cruising for a fuzen. >> good time we saved time for that. you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too. financial guidance while you're mastering life.

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happened after the interview. a tense adrenaline fueled game of fuse ball. it was the two of us versus senator cruz and an aid. let's go to the videotape. ♪ ♪ >> it was the game the champions, senator cruz prepared his whole life for this moment. what he didn't know is so did we. right from the kick off it was a blood bath, dying ted. dying ted. >> we shall see. >> we heard rumors the quickest risk in the u.s. and canada. >> from the back. >> i knew the only way to beat him was to get under his skin, which meant an unrelenting amount of trash talk. what kind of job security do you

have? >> oh! >> mistakes were made. >> oh! >> in game one we prayed our hearts out and all tied up and then -- >> oh! >> victory. game one was ours. that was just the beginning. >> tell you, half way descent smack talk. >> oh. that's -- >> time cruz was ready. call him the princeton sledgehammer. he just kept scoring 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 5-1. we couldn't get a shot in. >> i don't like to lose. it was a massacre. >> oh, sweet. >> now everything was on the line and intentions were running high. >> get together. >> then something amazing happened. cruz had the ball and he made a crucial error. clearly getting nervous. we scored right back.

>> we can tell he's trying to distract us with weird jokes. >> human sacrifice, i guess that would be aztecs but myans did that, too. >> we got too cocky. >> that was quick. >> you doing all right, mark? do you need to take personal time? >> oh. >> it was down to just one goal and no room for any mistakes. i had the ball and i, i, i -- >> ah. >> the rest was history. >> the story is, cruz falls behind early. >> there you go and second place builds the delegates and this was cleveland right here. >> life is full of moments, sole of them fly by you forget them in an instant. others live on with you forever. >> our thanks to the current

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>> it's time for everyone's game. >> engaging in hypotheticals. >> double hypothetical tonight, mark. if you were "the new york post" headline writer and if hillary clinton loses the democratic primary tomorrow, your headline would be what? >> new york state. >> if i were -- if it were me, it would be blue york, blew, blew york. >> b-l-e-w, blew york. >> we got a lot more 2016 coverage all the time on

bloomberg politics.com and a great deep dive into john kas h kasich's nomination. our colleague, until tomorrow si. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. >> rumble, let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. can bernie do it, do it again? can he win the big apple. a new poll today shows sanders has narrowed clinton, hillary clinton's national lead to two points. look at that 50-48 and closing on her, perhaps passing her. sanders gained four points while clinton dropped three. you know the math. meanwhile in new york state, the site of tomorrow's big primary, the democratic polls are tightening. sanders is predicting an upset matching t