party problem. you showed that map. look at the map. >> enjoy the weekend. don't overdo it. that's all. we'll be back monday. if it's sunday, don't forget "meet the press." with all due respect starts now. "with all due respect" to donald trump's path to the nomination, sometimes things can look like an obstacle course.

>> do we have a money show for you tonight. we will get jane sanders two cents on her husband's campaign. we'll have the million dollar question and ted cruz one pence none the richer. first, all that glitters is not gold. the second day in a row protesters clash with police with holds the delegate rich primary on june 7th. today protesters delay the trump speech at the california republican convention by swarming the venue. surmounting barricades and charging past police officers toward the hotel where trump was scheduled to speak. that was about 400 miles where last night anti-trump protesters scuffled with trump supporters, blocked an intersection and broke the windows of the police

car. 17 protesters were arrested. >> there's a lot of people in this country who do not like donald trump. that will wrack up a lot of bills trying to protect order and that this spectacle and violence that occur will be a reality for the trump campaign as long as he's in the race.

if you're trying to reassure those folks not that you can win in general election but hold the partying to, and you can be the kind of nominee that everyone can be proud of. you're not going to be a constant font of chaos, these kinds of images, no matter who is to blame, these images have a negative, unsettling effect on a lot of people donald trump wants to speak to. >> he says he's a unifier. i think the republican party as they plan the convention that they turn the reigns over to has to think about how cleveland will work. cleefds will produce hundreds, thousands of protesters. the fact that violence can break out.

>> we had a period there, my mind is so pourous that i can't remember when it was, but it was a period after super tuesday, around super tuesday when there was a lot of things happening. chicago was the most famous example. it seemed to subside for a while. there's blame to go around here. dealing with this in a way that does give protesters the legitimate right to speak while not looking like you have to impose a marshal law, a police state. you don't want chaos in the streets but guys on horse back in riot gear. >> we're now at the period where you have to think about these things in the context of the general. these are not great images.

this afternoon, in an interview with local radio host dpoef pence gave one of the most wishy washy and widely mocked expressions of support in this presidential race so far. the governor lavished as much praise on donald trump as he did for the candidate he said he will vote, texas senator ted cruz. >> i like and respect all three of the republican candidates in the field. i particularly want to commend donald trump who i think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working americans with lack of progress in washington, d.c. i'm also grateful that donald trump has taken a strong stand. i've got to my decision about

who i'm supporting. i'm not against anybody but i will be voting for ted cruz. i respect the rights and views of every hoosier in making their determination in the upcoming primary election. i urge every hoosier to make up their own mind. >> all right. as wishy washy as that was, clearly it's not going to hurt ted cruz. with four days left before the hoosier state vote, all the polling data that we have seen, other indications suggest that trump is in the lead. for a bunch of gimmicks that seem desperate this is a normal thing like getting an endorsements for state's governor.

>> he gets an endorsement. this was not a bad thing for him. the other things were mockable. this is like you got a semi endorsement. a lot of the endorsements cruz has got. a lot of those things have been like that for cruz. this was a good day for ted cruz in limited sense. i do not think this will make any difference in what happens. zero difference. not very much. >> it's still not clear why pence did this. >> it makes no sense. >> if he wants to stop trump, if that really was his objectsive, he failed miserably with that. >> on monday, trump and christy went to indiana and met with pence. christie knows pence quite well

and helped him get elected. they left the meeting where trump seemed confident he would get the endorsement. listen to what he said two days after he met with mike pence. >> the governor's great guy. i've met with him. he may not endorse. i don't think he'll endorse anybody. he may endorse us. i don't know. he's a great guy. >> so far both in his remarks in california and on twitter trump has not said word one about this. normally if somebody endorses one of his rivals he lashes out. it will be fascinating to see if he does. this is a strange twist in trump's march to consolidating report. trump, christie and the people around trump are convinced that after that meeting that at a minimum they would hold pence neutral.

pence is not normally a wishy washy guy. that's not his character. >> he's on tv but he's got a very limited amount of time to close the gap which is not insignificant now. >> later in the program we're going to talk to jane sanders about the state of the democratic nomination fight. up next, some republicans are trying to decide between their party an personal convictions when it comes to the question of whether to support donald trump. we're going to discuss that very important issue and a lot more important issue and a lot more when we come back.

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nominee in a generation or will republicans with deep moral or objections to trump as their standards bearer follow personal conscience over party loyalty? many media cloolleagues have be reporting on this subplot. one of our pals has a story out today that quote several republican insiders including former governor of minnesota tim pawlenty who describes it, the h hysteria has died down. the never trump side was crystallized today by david brook who is wrote the republican leaders are going down meekly and hoping for a quiet convention. they seem unaware that this is a joe mccarthy moment. people will be judged by where they stood at this time. those who walked with trump will

be tainted forever for the degradation slaughters. this is a personal and complicated debate for many people. what will change the contours of the long running tension of the republicans can in good conscience rally around donald trump. >> never been anything like this in our careers of a guy who is facing emotional intense, heartfelt criticism from people in his party and the other party. it's on social media, cable tv. it's intense. everybody in the country will have to learn to respect the views of others on this. if he's in nominee, it will go through november. if trump wins indiana is some respected voices will come forward in calm way and say this is it. get on board. he's our nominee. that will be up to trump to see if he can unify the party and

then the country. i see it this my life every day. in my twitter feed every day. people are really emotional about donald trump and what he stands for and what he's done. >> a lot of what happens will depend on how he conducts himself. you are rightly, i think we both agree about this, if you're candidate, you will be judged and should be judged and skr scrutinized. those things cannot go away. >> i just say on that, trump

supporters need to be sensitive to how offensive tens of millions of americans find this. we're subject to abuse from both sides. abuse from trump supporters and by trump haters, if we say anything remotely positive about trump. this is a smart campaign. people come after us and say we're enabling trump or we love trump or want trump to win. all is ridiculous. trump will be judged by the totality of things. he can't escape his path. he can conduct himself in way that will somewhat ameliorate these problems. if he plays better, he'll

ameliorate, it will be better. >> whether running against bernie sanders or hillary clinton, he'll be the story. his conduct will determine some of it. i believe a lot of this is baked in. the trump supporters, no criticism and trump opponents look at anything he does through the filter of he's a bigot and racist and horrible man. that includes many people in the press who, rather than being objective being trump advocates, which i find bizarre. >> they should not do that. trump can make it better, but those people will still be there. >> country will have to learn to respect strong views that they don't hold. >> that's really quite a fonds

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earlier, we were wondering what the top people at bernie sanders campaign are thinking about the democratic race and the senator's path to the nomination. we decided to call in sanders campaign sperts fexpert for a lt of help. joineniing us is jane sanders. thank you for joining us.

>> thank you. >> talk about what you think his vision is for the democratic convention that he would help plan and preside over. how would it be different from past recent democratic conventions? >> well, i think he would be talking about the issues very strongly about laying out a progressive vision for the future. you've heard his platform talking about accessible higher education and national health care plan, minimum wage that's $15 an hour. he will also be talking about electoral reform so that we have, we increase our voter turn out and increase the number of people in the democratic party. he'll be talking about how we need to shut the resolving door from lobbyists to corporate interests to campaign donors and the executive and legislative branches. a number of things. >> let me ask you about that very thing. corporate lobbyists have access

to sweeps within the convention hall and can mingle with politicians. is that something you'd see in a bernie sanders convention or would corporate lobbyists not be welcomed? >> no. i think if he wins the nomination it will be at the convention. there will be a lot of people there. maybe ben and jerry's will have a suite there. >> the other day your husband was on television with mark, among others, and was asked about the vice presidential question. he said it would be great to have a woman on ticket and he mentioned elizabeth warren has one person who would be a good idea. can you name any other women who you think would make great potential running mates for your husband? >> i think i would not be -- i should not answer those questions. >> you certainly should. come on. >> give us one more name. >> i talk to you guys too much.

no. >> there's somewhat awkward situation where if your husband will be the nominee, it will happen in july at the convention. if it happens then he'll be on the doorstep of a general election that will be pretty spirited. today secretary clinton's campaign announced state directors and three important battleground states. is your campaign planning to do that. do you have planning under way for how a general election would work or from a standing start in july if you win? >> no, no. we're very aware of what has to happen in a general election. we've got people in place and we'll see what happens. we're not going to move past this primary election right now. we're focused on indiana and kentucky and oregon and california and puerto rico. we're focusing on that. we've got people in place in all the states and that's one of the reasons. we've gone in 40 states. we need ten more states that we have to work with and make sure

that every single person has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice and also express their wishes for the agenda. we're meeting with people. >> i don't know you don't know what the clinton campaign is doing for the general election. you'd be stronger in a general election. can you assure democrats who are worried about that and concerned about that that you have done as much planning or be just as prepared to wage a general election fight as hillary clinton's campaign? >> we will be just as prepared and stronger but in a different way. we have run this election in the cookie cutter way. we haven't done things the same way that most candidates have. we've been really bringing people out and exciting them, inspiring them about moving forward and thinking differently about what a government of the people, by the people and for the people could mean.

you know, we're talking about specific issues. we're also talking about a broader vision for america. when you look at every one of the polls, mark, i know you guys really spend a will the of time looking at these things. i don't spend a lot but for the last three months it's been very clear that bernie always does better against all the republicans than secretary clinton does. the reason for that is because he brings out not just, the democratic nominee will bring out the democratic base, but bernie would bring out a lot of independents and he gets some of the republicans. if trump is the nominee, some of the republicans are not going to want to go there. in his senate race, he got 25% of the republican vote in vermont. the old common sense republicans not the new trump republicans. >> all right, jane. i want to talk a bit about taxes

now. i want to talk about a couple of comments you've made. first you were on this show and asked about your family's tax returns. a couple of weeks later you were on a different network, a different program. i want to play the sound. >> let's have time to actually talk about issues. i will tell you, our taxes are done. i know you guys are going to look through them with a fine tooth comb and if you're not then david brock is and the many other people. don't worry about it. our taxes are being checked and will be out. we did put out the 2014 right away. don't worry about that. let's move onto real issues. >> i got to follow up on this issue. you say your taxes will be out. the other day you suggested that you were not going to put your taxes out until hillary clinton released her speech transcripts.

is that no longer the quid pro quo? >> it's not a quid pro quo. i said with wolf, we did put out the 2014 taxes and secretary clinton didn't put out her transcripts. we made as much in a year than she made in an hour. you'll see that play out every year. i think it would be nice to do that. i have a question for you. have you -- her answer is it's -- she wants to stay with the standard. it should apply to everybody. the person she's running against has not given any wall street speeches that were paid $200,000 or $2. have you asked the republicans if any of them have given paid speeches to wall street over the last ten years for $200,000 and ask them to release them if they have? >> i'm 100% for full disclosure

on all these matters. you said a bunch of your taxes are with the accountant, how many years and will we see them? >> i've just finished 2015 and given them some back ones to look at. when they're done. i just dropped them off today, this morning, the 2015 ones. i don't think secretary clinton has put out her 2015 either. i think they will be a little bit different. you didn't answer my question. have you asked the republicans whether they've given any wall street speeches for $200,000 or more and will they release them? >> i don't think any of them. just to tie this up. we have 15 seconds. is releasing your tax returns contingent? >> no, no. >> thank you. >> i think it would be fair.

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some people are floating various scenarios about ways that bound anti-trump delegates might try to thwart a first nomination. so see how plausible these are, we call in republican super lawyer ben ginsberg who joins us. let's start with this first scenario that's been floating which is the credential challenge. is it possible that the 1237 thresholds could change if entire delegations get challenged and tossed? >> possible but unlikely. the procedures would be you'd file a credentials challenge, rule 101 is to be sure as many

of your opponents delegates are subject to challenge as yours are. >> have you seen anything in the conduct that would leave them open to a successful challenge. >> i've not been at all the state conventions and the challenges that were successful four years ago and 12 years ago all involve challenges to procedures at state conventions for the most part. >> let's talk about the second scenario discussed in the wall street journal kol column this morning and say i don't think i should vote for donald trump on the first ballot even though under the rules i should. is there any chance anybody could get away with that. >> probably not.

rule 16 combine them to reflect the votes of the reference votes in their state. that count should be known with a fair degree of specificity on june 8th. there's a scenario where the convention could try to unbind the delegates. that would mean saying the voices of the voters didn't count. it's possible for a convention to do something like that but also highly unlikely. >> doesn't that beg the question of why have the convention. if the vote is known and they can switch their vote, why the delegates there? >> well, the main reason for having the convention is to get all the most dedicated republicans together in one place to be able to have unity. >> let me rephrase my question. >> i love it when you do this.

>> why have the roll call vote for the presidential ballot counting? >> more of history. to give someone from every state the ability to do it. the rules call for the vote to be by acclimation. you have to have the role call and secondly, it has the unifying purpose of letting a representative from each state give the speeches we love to see. >> let me ask you about a third scenario. >> what about a bound delegate who says i abstain on the first ballot. is that something you can do? >> under the rules as they exist now and i don't believe we're subject to amendment, the secretary is required to record the vote as the delegates are bound by their state.

in other words, that will not work. >> you're missing the good scenarios for messing around. >> the no show scenario. they just don't know up on the night of the role coal. what happens then. >> the secretary is required to take it as the voters said in the preferential vote. cleveland has great shopping but not going to work. >> we gave you a bunch of scenarios that people have laid out and you dismissed them. we'll ask you what they are now so the never trump forces can watch this video tape.

what are the ways to mess up the ballot? >> these are the lessons learned from 2012. it's when i was representing mitt romney we were worried about. number one is rule 40dne that talk about how you have to have a majority of the delegates to win. i have one word amendment to that rule can achieve donald trump's goal if he's shy by making it a plurality of delegat delegates. the convention rules can say it has to be super delegates. >> could the anti-trump forces make the rule change? >> it depends who are the delegates are and who are the delegates on the rules economy. who is going to control the two delegates from each state and territory who are on the rules economy and are they willingo take a vote like that either to

plurality or super majority. you don't know yet because the delegates for those econocommit have not been named. >> you could have people in the category, of which there will be many, they could be a trump delegate and doesn't want trump to be the nominee and change the rules in way. >> those delegates are bound for the presidential vote. they are not bound for the rules issues, dren shls issues, plats form issues which is something also to talk about or even the vice presidential vote. >> you have 30 more seconds to lay out some more scenarios so go. >> you change rule 40 b and make it much easier to nominate people and give floor speeches and have the regularly scheduled spontaneous demonstrations on the floor. you might send a message through the vice are the shl vote.

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president leaves and then the real party starts. the afterparty. >> very nice. that's whatting tomorrow night. let's pause and reflect on the blockbuster week that's just passed. here is a recap of the quick action and the absurdities from the past five days. ted cruz and john kasich have hashed out a rare bargain to help each other try to stop donald j. trump. >> i don't see this as any big deal other than the fact i'm not going to spend resources in indiana. he's not going to spend them in other places. so what? what's the big deal? >> they colluded and i was happy because it shows how weak they are. it shows how pathetic they are. >> donald trump is on not on a glide path. he's got achievable but difficult goal to get to 1237.

every delegate counts. for those guys to not be strategic would be stupid. >> what does that mean? >> the accelerated primary. >> is it acceletrain. >> pennsylvania, connecticut, delaware, rhode island and maryland get their say this presidential nomination race. all signs point to another very victorious evening for donald j. trump and hillary r. clinton, not quite billionaire. >> when you crack 60 with three people, that's very hard to do. i think chris can tell you if you crack 60 with two people that's called a massive land slide. >> i have come to the conclusion that if i am nominated to be president of the united states that i will run on a ticket with

my vice presidential nominee carly orina. >> it's a desperate act of a desperate campaign. >> i think the press will say this is a negative net because it looks desperate. i think it's a positive. >> donald trump gave a different speech of different tone. >> it's time to shake the rust off of american's foreign policy. it's time to invite new voices and new visions into the fold. america first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. >> i thought it was perfectly good. he compared to a hillary clinton foreign speech. >> come on. come on. >> in an interview with the today show this morning, trump repeated his claim that hillary clinton would not be a viable presidential candidate or even a city council candidate if she weren't playing the woman card. >> lucifer in the flesh.

>> should have said it with you. >> former speaker of the house, john boehner, a republican. he said i have never worked with a more miserable [ expletive ] in my life. >>on the second day in a row of disruptive protest outside donald trump events -- >> that was not the easiest entrance i've ever made. my wife called. she said there's helicopters following you. we went under a fence and through a fence. oh, boy. felt like i was crossing the border actually. >> all in one week. wow. up next, tom hanks and the gods of rock and roll have in common. we'll show you after this quick break. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue.

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discussed, is the washington correspondenko correspondents dinner. there's another option on the old television if you're not going. tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m., hbo airing its annual broadcast of the rock and roll ceremony which took place three weeks ago in brooklyn. this shows brief lifetime up with of its most treasured privileges have on the be go backstage and shoot the rehearsals for that event. pop culture can create ecstatic moments of unity and joy. ♪

>> we're here in brooklyn new york at the barclays center on the night of the 31st annual rock and roll hall of fame induction. in a couple hours it will be full to the rafters. the steve miller band, deep purple and nwa. ♪ ♪ >> this is rick's guitar.

in it's heavy. you don't want it bursting into flames. >> i'm here with matt who is a celebrated musician. rick nielson has been checking guitars way before it was cool to collect them. he watched a guitar tech snap and drop it. he reached over and gave jeff beck's tech his card and said i deal guitars if you want. he came over to his house and rick sold him something. >> that's incredible. >> he throws them out by the handful. >> i have one.

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being rehearsed. let's go. >> i'm looking into the ark from steve miller to nwa. rock and roll not just as a specific genre of music but the evolutionary force as it was. >> wait a minute. let me show you my one thing. i've proud of this. i have my executive producing l laminent. i have a guitar pick from rick nielsen. it was his favorite. >> he just gave me one. >> he said he m have to come get this from me before he can do his set. >> tom hanks. you need your pick back?

>> enjoy the show. >> if question is, are we rock and roll. i say you're right we rock and roll. rock and roll is not an instrument. it's not even a style of music. rock and roll is a spirit. it's a spirit. it's been going since the blews, jazz, b bop, soul, r and b. rock and roll, heavy metal, punk rock and yes, hip hop. rock and roll is not conforming

to the people who came before you but creating your own path in music and in life. that's rock and roll and that is us. ♪ ♪ oo. >> huge fast thanks to the great gary getsman and our friends for letting us do this thing. it premiers tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on hbo. we'll be right back. allergies.

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until tomorrow, not until tomorrow, we're not here until monday. until monday. hardball with chris matthews is next. bullies pope it. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington the 2016 presidential election is chshapg up to be the most contentious in decades. protesters crashed through a barricade reaching the doors of the convention hall where trump was said to speak before the california republican convention. today's demonstration followed clashes outside a trump rally last night where hundreds of