to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you this sunday i this sundays is donald trum about to wrap up the republican nomination? >> i can myself the presumptive nominee. >> ted cruz is making a land stand in indiana. >> he belittles trump. >> the only thing he knows how to do in any given circumstance, he yells, curses, or he insults. >> but will cruz endorse trump if he loses on tuesday. why don't you answer that question straightforward? >> let me finish this question i'm making. >> my lively interview with ted cruz. plus, it's been five years since the raid that killed osama bin laden. >> the united states conducted

an operation that killed osama bin laden. >> this morning, my exclusive sitdown with john brennan on the greatest threats today, the war with isis and whether we're safer now than we were five years ago. finally, president obama says good-bye for the last time to washington on the night that washington lost to love itself. the white house correspondents' dinner. >> with that i have two more words to say. obama out. and joining me for site and analys analysis, nbc's kristen welker, and ron foreign yay of the national journal. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press kwtsz. >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. you want to appreciate how dominate donald trump's can

sency has become, consider this. trump didn't just win all five states on tuesday, he won all of pennsylvania counties, all 22 counties in maryland, all in rhode island and all three in delaware. in other words each and every one of the 106 counties that voted last tuesday, and he won all but two of those counties by double digits. trump now needs 47% of the remaining delegates to go to cleveland with the magic number of 1237. ted cruz and john kasich are mathematically eliminated. they need to win 100% of the remaining dell ghats, an impossible task. where does that leave ted cruz? he's throwing a hail mary, pulling out all of the stops. guess what, none of it seems to be sticking. this week the mutual unity with john kasich collapse. and with cruz counting on

tuesday's primary, the poll has trump leading cruz by a whopping 15 points. john kasich way behind this third at 13%. in fact, bernie sanders is in better shape in indiana against hillary clinton than ted cruz in. in fact sanders trails clinton by four points. it was with all that in mind that i began any conversation with senator ted cruz on friday and i asked him why john kasich has received more republican votes than ted cruz has since cruz won wisconsin three weeks ago. >> well, chuck, what we have been seeing happening for several months now is republicans quiting behind our campaign. you're right. you're focusing on the last week. the last week donald trump won his home state of new york and he won the adjoining states in the northeast and the media reacted with hart palpitations on what a wonderful decisive moment it was for donald. but in the three weeks that

preceded new york five states voted, utah, north dakota, wisconsin, colorado and wyoming, a total of 1.3 million people voted in those five states and we won landslides, five states in a row. in fact i won more republican votes in wisconsin than donald trump did in new york, although that hasn't been reported an awful lot. >> if you don't win indiana, do you get out of the race? >> indiana is an important state. we are competing hard. we're barn storming the state. we're on a bus tour and we're seeing great support in indiana. and i will say this. indiana has a chance to choose. do we want to support a campaign that is based on yelling and screaming and cursing and insults or do we want to unify behind a positive, optimistic forward looking conservative campaign based on real policy solutions. >> so if indiana rejects you, they're rejecting that argument, are they not? >> i don't believe so. i think the support we're seeing is surging.

there's a reason governor mike pence offered his support. we's hearing from hoosiers across the state that don't want a campaign based on yell and bullying. >> i want to go to your struggles in uniting the party around you. in fact this is what you're now running -- >> tell me what you really think, chuck. >> it's not about me. i'm asking about your struggles here getting the party to rally around you. here's your running mate. hear's what you running mate said about you when she was running for president. >> there's no honor in charging a hill that you can't take, only casualties. ted cruz got name recognition and money along the way. i find it ode that senator ted cruz did not renounce his dual canadian citizenship until 2014 when it became clear he was running for president. ted cruz is just like any other politici politician, he says one thing in manhatt manhattan, another thing in ie want, whatever he needs to say to get elected. and then he's going to do whatever he pleases.

>> which one should we believe? >> when you have a competitive primary, people play hard. she was competing and trying to win. that's what people do in the course of a primary. i'll tell you how the choice of carly came about. pit was a little sever six week ago that she publicly endorsed me. she voted for me in her home state. after he endorsed, carly went on the road with me. heidi and i have spent a lot of time with carly campaigning. and i tell you, one of the reasons we did a long extensive search to narrow down the right vp, the most serious solemn decision a presidential candidate makes, it ended up being an easy choice. i wanted someone who has the knowledge to do the job, the judgment to do the job and the character to do the job. she stands up to donald trump. she stands up to hillary clinton. bullying is not a sign of

strength. it's a sign of weakness and insecurity and carly has shattered glaz creels her entire life and i'm incredibly proud to be running on a ticket with carly. >> donald trump accused hillary clinton of playing the gender card, saying she would be at 5% if she were a man instead of a woman. what do you make of that comment? >> it's typical donald trump. the only thing he knows to, he yells, he screams, he curses or he insults. hi hillary is a smart committed liberal. donald trump can't criticize ore policies. he supports them. they've both gotten rich exploiting washington, exploiting government power. so donald can't criticize hillary clinton on planned parenthood because he agrees with her. they both say it's terrific. >> i've got to ask you, i know

you've heard him before but i've got to play him for the viewer, the john boehner comments that he made earlier this week. here they are. i'll get you to react on the other side. >> how about ted cruz? >> lucifer in the flesh. i have democrat friends and republican friends, i get along with almost everybody. but i have never worked with a more miserable son of a -- >> you cannot seem to get the party to truly rally around you. if anything, the party is now seeming to be accepting the premise that trump is going to be the nominee. isn't it because you have these bad relationships with the john boehner os f the world, the mitch mcconnells of the world? you're not going to win this nomination without their help, are you not? >> well, chuck, you know, i actually think those remarks illustrate exactly what this race is all about. i don't know john boehner. the two of us haven't said 50 words to each other in our entire lives. >> why not.

you wanted a government shutdown that he helped lead. how have you not had any interaction with the speaker of the house as a leading republican senator. >> during the government shutdown, i reached out and offered for mike lee and i to come down and sit down with the speaker and majority leader and boehner said no interest, no value, not willing to talk to you. what was interesting about boehner's comments is he praised hillary clinton, he thinks he's terrific and he praised donald trump. he said donald is his friend, his texting and golfing buddy. listen, donald trump and hillary clinton and john boehner are all -- they are the washington cartel. it is the corruption of washington. and this is where, with all respect, a lot of the folks in the media i don't understand. that's what people have ticked off at. the greatest fraud in this election is donald pretending he's an out si outsider.

if you want a presidential candidate bike john boehner, then donald trump is your candidate. >> you've spent this entire interview trying to eviscerate donald trump. if he's the nominee, i take the you can't support him anymore, can you in. >> i believe in the republican party nominates donald trump we will lose to hillary. because when we offer democrat light, donald trump and hillary clinton on the ballot, they support the same social policy, they support the same economic policy. in fact both donald and hillary support allowing illegal immigrants to become legal citizens. >> are you going to support him? >> we lose. >> i understand what you believe in the republican party. can you support him? can you tell your delegates lay down your arms and support donald trump. >> i'm going to beat him. >> you may not. you realize that. >> i recognize that many in the media would love for know to surrounder to donald trump. >> it's not about the media.

it's about the numbers. he may win. republican voters are the ones rejecting you. this is not a media conspiracy, senator. >> the media has given $2 billion of free advertise l to donald. how much money did the networks make on the debates? >> i have no idea. we can't have a republican debate. >> it's been 49 days since we've had a republican debate. the democrats have had a debate. donald can't answer questions about his foreign policy, he can't answer questions about how you bring jobs back -- >> why can't you answer the question of whether you can support donald trump or not. you cannot answer that question. why won't you answer that question straightforward, black and white. >> chuck, let me finish this point i'm making. even though the media stands to make millions of dollars off of the debate, you hear radio silence about no debates.

the reason is your networks executives are partisan democrats. why doesn't every -- >> you don't get to just say that. it's not true. but go ahead. you're broad brushing here. this is dpaktly what people hate about the media and politics. broad bushes, right? >> the simple reality is that the media almost entirety are lip rale partisan democrats. that is the reality of it. the media created this trump phenomenon and then they don't hold him accountable. i'm sure the media plans to if he's the nominee. when was the last time you talked about his tax returns? you know, we ought to have a debate -- there are real differences. donald won't debate and the media won't hold him accountable. i think the people of indiana deserve a debate. >> can you answer the question of whether or not you're going to support donald trump if he's the nominee?

>> i am going to beat donald trump. we're headed to a contests convention and we're going to win. i'm not willing to concede this country. it's my kids' future. it's not simply a game. >> nobody is saying it's a game, sir. >> if we lose this we lose the country. we lose the supreme court for a generation. religious liberty is taken away. our kids are bankrupted. we're at the edge of a cliff and i'll tell you, the people of indiana, they really are in a position, the country is depending on them to pull us back from this cliff. >> don't you think it's important to take a stand? you just said it's a time for choosing. if it's a time for choosing, say it. for him or against him as the nominee. it's a time for choosing, is it not? >> you're welcome to lobby for support for trump as much as possible. we're going to beat trump because trump winning the nomination losing the country. i'm not willing to give up on america. >> but if you care this much

about it, don't you think you saying i can't support him if he's the nominee doesn't light a fire and send a sense of urgency to the republican party? >> what i'm saying is very simple. if you believe in free market principles, if you want to reduce the taxes and regulations on small businesses, if you want to bring jobs back to mark -- you know, the amazing thing about the three card monte game being played by donald trump is he's laughing at his supporters. he's mocking his supporters because he's lying to them. he try to pretend he's the supporter of the workeniing mend women. he's the only person in the race who is hiring hundreds of foreign workers instead of americans and on trade he pretends to support american fair trade. donald trump, the ties he sales, the suits she sales are

manufactured in mexico and china. he doesn't intend to change it. we need instead a positive optimistic campaign that stands with the working men and women of this country. >> so let the record show you have not take an position on whether trump -- whether you can support trump if he's the nominee. fair enough? >> and let the record show you tried very, very hard to get me to commit to supporting trump. the record will show that. >> senator ted cruz, i got to let you go. you've got a lot to do in the state of indiana. stay safe on the trial. >> thank you. god bless. >> that interview was conducted on friday. the panel is here, kristen welker has been covering the hillary clinton campaign. two presidents, eight road trips and my son taught me about a parents e expectations. by the way, mr. foreign yay is

on the best seller list this weekend. you're the most recent best seller of our group. >> how many pulitzers? >> there's a lot there. just not on this side of the table. yeah. ted cruz. >> well, you know, boehner might have said that he's lucifer but you gave him hell. that was a great job. what you did, we can't -- in journalism we can't make politicians give an honest answer but we can expose the fact when they don't. if you care about america and think donald trump is bad for america, then would you support him as a nominee. nine times, i counted nine times he refused to answer the question. that tells you something about him as a leader or lack of leader. >> i understand the dilemma republicans have and you're seeing it actually with the ones that are deciding do they endorse, do they not. there's a constituency for trump that they don't want to alienate. it is a prisoner's dilemma. >> one thing that really struck me that cruz said, i think he's

right. you're closer to this than i am. when it's a two-person race, trump is going get a lot more attention for a lot of the things he' been able to skip over. his tax returns. and some of these things he's going to get called on. the thing that strikes me about trump, the tension between that, us doing or jobs, and the fact that so many of his supporters seem to be listening through their stomach, not their ears. he's made a gut connection. the map you put up is so striking. he won greenwich, connecticut. is that about income gaps? he's made some gut connection with his followers. >> what strikes me about mr. cruz is i don't think there's been in history somebody who is a politician who has colleagues saying the things that they say about him, not just lucifer in the flesh wu i'd rather take

cyanide than vote for him. in the 19th century if you said things like that, anything like that on the floor of the senate, you would be formally censored. one guy said another guy in the 19th century said he made a falls assertion. didn't even say lying. formally censored. they also had canes that they were hitting each other on the head with. >> we had more physical violence. less rhetorical violence. >> i've never seen a politician who doesn't want love. he somehow misses that gene. >> and when you talk with his colleagues, former colleagues in the senate, they say that they just never trusted him. in part that had to do with the government shutdown. one of the things that struck me about your interview is he had some of his sharpest potentially strongest attacks against donald trump, where were those attacks six months ago. all of this is coming very late and in some way this is his last stand.

he had the carly fiorina pick. the sense is it's too little too late. >> the race is over, we have two presumptive nominees and the rest of america says, oh my god, maybe i don't vote in november. >> even if he ekes out a win, many talking to republicans, they just don't have the appetite for a contested convention. that design that they had several weeks ago is slowly seeding away as donald trump is gaining ground in the delegates. >> i want to talk about that larger issue that you just brought. we're going to save that for a little later in the show. coming up, i will be speaking with the cia chief, john brennan on the biggest threats facing the u.s. today and whether campaign rhetoric is spoking some of america's spy zbloos later, president obama's last laugh. >> if this material works well, i'm going to use it at goldman

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few would have predicted at the time, in particular the rise of isis in iraq, syria and libya. horrific attacks in paris, france and san bernardino bring this home. john brennan is now the director of the cia. welcome back to "meet the press". >> good morning. good to be here. >> five years ago i remember going to the white house hearing cheers, people gather in the streets of washington, and i was happening in other cities. it was sense of relief. it was a moment of wow, is this the end? have we won whatever this was we were fighting, this war with al qaeda. bow it doesn't feel like that five years later. >> i remember that same evening when i left the white house at midnight. it was bright as day outside and the chants of usa and cia, it was the cull any nation of hard work by some very good people.

we've destroyed a large part of al qaeda. it is not completely eliminated. but now with the new phenomenon of isil, this going to continue to challenge us for years to come. >> isil's leader is a gentleman by the name of al baghdadi. if we announced tonight that he was dead, would there be that same sense of this is the destruction of isis? there was a feeling with bin laden, al qaeda, yeah, that's a symbolic move. same thing with al baghdadi? >> he's important. we'll destroy isil, i have no doubt in my mind. we have to remove the leadership that directs that organization to carry out these horrific attacks. bin ladened had symbolic and strategic ties. it was very important to remove the person responsible for that. if we got to baghdadi it would have great impact on the organization and it will be felt

by them. but this is a large -- not just organization, it's phenomenon. we see it in syria, iraq, libya, nigeria and other countries. we're going to have to remain focused on destroying all of the elements of the organization. >> is isis more appealing to jihadis in some ways than al qaeda was? >> it has set up a caliphate. it's set its roots down. it's been able to attract a number of individuals outside the area, tens of thousands of individuals who have joined. it has a resonance that's appealed to the hearts, souls and minds of individuals who have been misled by their narrati narrative. >> was it intelligence failure -- i ask it this way. the president referred them to as the jv team. obviously they're not the jv team pane that's been a remark

that he regrets and he says was taken out of context. was that because the intelligence he was getting downplayed the effect? >> what we need to do is to understand that isil took advantage of a lot of opportunities inside of both iraq and syria. >> are they opportunities that we gave them? >> well, i think they're opportunities that present themselves inside of both of those countries. when we see that bashar al assad was using chemical weapons with, this is something that the terrorists seized upon. isis was able to use those instances, whether it be in syria, iraq, and abuses and corruption on the part of these governments to appeal to a broad swath of people. and so it gained strength very quickly, quicker than we thought. >> is it -- i guess when we look at this, i wonder this.

let's see we get al baghdad by and just destroy isis. does something rise up in their place? there's no getting rid of these organizations. when you get rid of one organization, another one is going to sprout up. >> there is evil that is manifesting the leadership in these groups. and so they want to just destroy and kill and maim just for the sake of doing it. also there's a lot of problems in many parts of the world that the terrorists have taken advantage of. corruption, the lack of good governan governance, the lack of good opportunity, the lack of government over different parts of the country where terrorists have been able to go in berlin and have training camps and be able to launch attacks out. although the counter terrorism community has an important obligation to prevent the attacks, we need to give the diplomats and the officials the

time and space they need to address some of these underlying factors and conditions that facilitate and contribute to the growth of these organizations. >> so what should be the u.s. role in this? we're having a big debate in this country. more involved, less involved. i think the president has tried both. he made a decision to not get militarily involved in syria at a time when he decided not to follow through on the red line. he made a decision to get involved in libya. regrets libya, doesn't regret syria. what does it say about the u.s. role? >> what it says is the middle east is going through a complex period of its history. there are a number of trends underway, economic, political, cultural, sectarian, and a lot of the repressed sentiments and tensions are now manifesting themselves. our third rejet streams have been in place in a number of the

countries, libya, syria and iraq. so a lot of the problems that were never addressed are coming to the floor. the terrorist groups are seizing on it. we need to look at the issues that we need to address and help them. but the united states has only limited influence to shape events in the middle east. and a lot of the individuals think that the united states can wave a magic wand but we can't. >> let me ask you aus about libya. if we had not gotten involved in libya, in gaddafi were still there, would europe have this crisis? it's created european instability. >> before the coalition went in and took action against the libyan regime, there was already under way instability in a growing insurrection against the ka ga fi regime. that was going to carry itself out. we don't know what -- i find it hard to believe that gaddafi would have been able to stay in

power. but what e wither ooh seeing is the lack of opportunities within these countries for the individuals to be able to participate in a modern day economy, be able to participate in government. there's a lot of work that these governments have to do. the united states is helping and we're trying to help but a lot is going to fall on the governments themselves, the people as well as the region as a hole. >> this was part of your portfolio many times in the various times you've been in government. you were just there with the president as director of the cia, not just before you were there a lot as chief adviser to the president for homeland security. what is the state of our relationship? how fractured is it? >> we have a very strong relationship with saudi arabia and it's on the economic front, the political front, military kb security and intelligence across the board. i have close relations with my counter part. >> you do. does the president? >> he had very good meetings,

more than two hours meeting with the kings. there are some differences of view about how some of the regional issues should be addressed. that's very healthy. what the president and king said it with as candid discussion that is necessary among friends. >> last week i had senator, former senator bob frame on the show. he's been somebody that has been trying to publicly get more attention to the idea of releasing these 28 pages of congressional inquiry that has to do with saudi arabia. why not release -- what's the kais against releasing the 28 pages? >> the so-called 28 pages in this inquiry that was put out in december of 2002 was addressing some of the preliminary findings and information that was gathered by this joint commission within the congress. and this chapter was kept out because of concerns about sensitive source of methods, investigative actions and the investigation of 9/11 was still

under way in late 2002. i'm puzzled by senator graham and others. what that joint inquiry did was to tee up issues followed up on the 9/11 commission as well as the review commission. these were thoroughly investigated and reviewed. it was a preliminary review that put information in there that was not corroborated, not vetted and not deemed to be accurate. >> is there information no those 28 pages that are inaccurate? >> no. i think there's a combination of things accurate and inaccurate. i think the 9/11 commission took that joint inquiry and followed through on the investigation and they came out with a very clear judgment that there was no evidence that indicated that the saudi government as an institution or saudi officials individually had provided support. >> kr you concerned the release will unfairly put the relationship in a damaged position in. >> i think some people may seize upon that uncorroborated unvetted information that was in

there that was basically just a collection of the information that came out of the files and to point to saudi involvement that would be very inaccurate. >> a lot of people will travel to europe this year just like they do, college students. how safe will americans be in places like germany this summer? >> we know that isis is trying to carry out attacks in europe and other parts of the globe. also we are working very closely with our european partners and our european partners security intelligence officials are working around the clock to uncover these terrorist plans. and they've been successful in stopping a number of attacks inside of europe. >> but there are a lot of plans. >> there are things under way that we are working with them very closely, sharing information to stop these. >> so what keeps you up? >> this is what keeps he going. it's the best job in the world working with dedicated american

men and women who are trying to protect their fellow americans. >> would you consider staying on no matter who the next president is? >> every day it's up to the president, my wife and myself to decide whether or not i'm going to stay. this is the best job in the world literally. >> donald trump. has any of the things that he has said about muslims in particular, has that made your job harder? >> i focus on the mission at hand and i have a lot of things -- >> american politics does not influence the mission at hand sometimes, maybe with sources and methods? >> i'm not distracted by it. i'm focused on mission, working with my international partners, colleagues here in the states. the campaign is going to go on. but the ci airks sta stays focua laser. >> thank for coming on. after the break we're going to untangle a little bit of donald trump's big foreign policy speech this week. what exactly does he mean when he u says u.s. foreign policy

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welcome back, donald welcome back. donald trump laid out what he called american first foreign policy this week. and he read his speech from a teleprompter. something he rarely does. something designed to make washington approve. though he promised a near era of consistency in foreign policy, the speech seemed to offer anything but that. in fact there were a lot more contradictions. take a look. >> a new foreign policy direction for our country. one that replaces randomness with purpose. we must, as a nation, be more unpredictable. we're totally predictable. it all began with the dangerous idea that we could make western democracies out of countries that had no experience or interest in becoming a western bemock kracy. i will work with our allies.

the countries we're defending must pay for the cost of this defense. and if not, the u.s. must be prepared to let these countries defend themselves. your friends need to know that you will stick by the agreements that you have with them. >> after the break, how come two of the most up popular candidates in american history on the verge of becoming the bmic and republican nominees. later, washington celebrates the one thing it loves more than anything else. itself. the best moments from the white house correspondents' dinner. >> look here. bonus cash ck. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way. you simply earn unlimited 1.5% cash back

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panelists here, and i want to start with what we just heard from john brennan a little bit. then i want to get to donald trump foreign policy. this is your beat, not mine. >> thank god. >> what did you hear from him that give you concern or confidence? >> well, i think he's a serious guy but i think we're dealing with an extraordinary moment to be conducting foreign policy right now. this is a waylon jennings moment. momma don't let your daughters growing up to be secretaries of state. look at the challenges we face. first of all we have an enemy we've never quite faced before. we have terrorists with no plan, tonight leave their name, they want nothing more than us to

fail. second we have the return of great power politics. third we live in a world with globalization flows now, the most important thing to plug your town tri-into, whether it's the facebook flow, the economic flow or the technology flow. and lastly, we live in a world where the biggest challenge of the u.s. president is not strong states, it's states falling apart in our hands. and managing weakness is incredibly difficult. >> the scary thing was him calling isis a phenomena. it's hard to define a phenomena, hard to get to the root causes and stop one. in this case, the root cause are the people who don't feel like they have a stake in their politics and economy. how in the world can we help with that in the middle east? >> they're a phenomena that we've seen before. sunnis and shiites in iraq

simply cannot live together. that's whee we keep winning the war. the surge, we win the war, we lose the peace. the most difficult moment with isis is going to happen if we defeat them. you're going to see the mother of all civil wars between sunnis and sunnis, shiites and shiites as to who is going to control the area. >> how is it going to be communicated? this is like three-dimensional chess and most of us are playing checkers. the leader, if he's going to have to get us into something more will have to communicate in ways -- i can barely understand it and i listen to you and you know it. it's just a complicated problem. >> and i think one of the things that's fueling the phenomenon that naks it a global threat is they have a robust online recruitment operation going. and the obama administration has put so much time and effort into trying to counter that but they

haven't been successful. that speaks to your point about potential threats in the west. >> let's talk about the merging issue here. there's fear of terrorism. he brought up all of the european plots that they've broken up which means there may be one that they don't break up. what happens. the impact of that. it is something i know that is scaring some intelligence officials. >> not just europe. when we live in a time when the public lost utter faith with all of their political leaders and the presidency itself, what happens when we get here again at a time when there's polarization and loss of faith. can we rally behind a president? can we come together and fight whatever the attack is like we did 9/11. i have my doubts. >> what did you make of trump's foreign policy speech? >> it was everything the critics said. a mad lips version of all of his ideas put into different sentences and it her i

contradictory. but a contradictory in foreign policy, is that like supporting saudi arabia even though we know they're behind 9/11. >> he's not the first. >> is that like claiming libya was wonderful and then say it was the president's decision in i think to try to find consistency in foreign policy would be difficult right now. i think what's unnerving about trump's speech, the essential thing you need to do for successful foreign policy, you have to have a take on the world. what do you think are the big forces out there? tell me that. i don't expect anyone to have a perfect answer. but if you tonight know where we're going, any road will get you there. on foreign policy, trump has done zero home work. >> it was the america fist is what perked your ears up. >> absolutely. there were well meaning people what it was first created at yale. they were in it because they had seen the horror of world war i and they didn't want us involved in european affairs again.

but then lynnburg came along. america has to be involved. and they're wrong now thinking that our global economy can allow us to pull away and become america firsters. >> america wants us to vofl -- fer americans want us to solve the problems and stay out of the way. that's the charge of foreign policy. >> i think about what other part of life dwoe have a consistent format with a built-in consistency. reality tv. somebody who he has been saying is great, he says "you're fired." that's what his speech was about. >> there's a lack of details, he's been criticized for that. which is fine for the primary audience. but i think it gets for complicated in a general election when you're reaching out to the independents that you have to win over. and i think to your point about america first, if you talk to establishment republicans, that's what terrifies them about

a trump nomination. on the one hand he had this moment in which he was very presidential in some ways but then he seemed to not understand the full meaning of that term. >> one of the thing obama has done right in favor to hillary clinton is saying in response to the acts of terrorism, we got to suck it up. you blew up the bus, three hours the sidewalk is cleaned up and no one knows it happened. if we set this up, if there's an act of terrorism in late october, early november, it's going to redown to donald trump's favor. i saw that play in israel, electing netanyahu. >> you think we're a terrorist attack away from donald trump? >> could be. >> we'll be back in 45 seconds with the end game segment and a lighter touch here. highlights from what was a humorous night at the white house correspondents' dinner. coming up, meet the press end game brought to you by

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end game time. the panel is here. you might have noticed our boy is a little worse for wear. the dinner, after parties, i hop to right here at the table after the big night. you look great. >> thank you very much. >> well done. >> i got the 8:00 special. >> it was a doozy, president obama's final white house correspondents' dinner. we've got a fun clip reel. here it is. >> i am hurt, though, bernie, that you've been distancing yourself a little from me. i mean that's just not something that you do to your comrade. just lock at the confusion over the invitations to night's dinner. guests were asked to check whether they wanted steak or fish. but instead a whole bunch of you

wrote in paul ryan. ♪ yesterday i had a bear at 11:30 in the morning and you know mcdonald's now serves breakfast all day long. >> there's one area where donald's experience could be invaluable and that's closing guantanamo because trump knows a thing or two about running waterfront properties into the ground. >> look here. look here. yeah. you want one? >> if this material works well, i'm gonna use it at goldman sachs next year. earn me some serious tubmans. obama out. >> and as usual, the comedian gets to come on after the

president. poor larry wilmore. how about that. >> i feel like the funniest thing was the whole theme of it was the idea of he's going away and what was he going to do in ordinary life. there's one funny part where he goes, a driver's license because he hasn't driven around. they go into public life and all of the sudden they're not commander in chief fim eisenhower hadn't made a phone call in so long he picked up the phone and hears a was. what's this buzz? there's been a dial tone, mr. preside president. i thought the whole theme was terrific. >> i thought of both of you when i say boehner and obama laughing it up. i'm thinking, that's great. what was that when america needed it. >> it's really true, chuck. everyone is trying to figure out the trump thing. what's behind this, you know. and i wouldn't pretend the know. it's obviously a mix of things. but i think one of the things that's deeply behind it is the mood in the country for the last eight, ten years has been we're

the children 0 permanently divorcing parents. there's been a sense, the two parties. it's like we're in a house -- even just a little clip like that says to you, what if these guys actually had -- >> i don't know if i've heard anybody put it any better than that. that's an interesting way of putting it. oh my god, mom and dad, you guys had this moment. where was this five years ago. >> when we were teenagers abyou were fighting. >> how does trump fit into it? is he a crazy uncle? >> right. a step-dad? >> he's perfected his comedic timing which is what's so enjoyable. but that moment with him sitting there as boehner, as a political reporter you envisioned that in your mind what would that be like if they could have actually have done that. >> what if they golfed together all of the time. what if they did share a smoke when the president was smoking. >> started drinking at 10:00 in the morning >> just to be a fly on the wall.

>> but that comment gets mocked on both sides. >> we're going to get mocked right now. there you go, you guys. >> that's what leaders do. you set an example and a tone. and the idea of two leaders showing you can be friendly rivals, that's a good model for the rest of the country. >> at the beginning of the relationship, in december of 2010. >> exactly. >> and again and again and again. >> and i thought he was sparing in his comments of trump. i was expecting to hear more. and i think he was trying to make a statement that trump doesn't deserve as much awe tension as he gets. >> that's an interesting way to put it. >> well, you recovered all very well from your late night partying. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday and if it's mother's day, it will be "meet the press."

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