it's a rigged system. now i don't say it anymore because i won. now i don't care. i don't care. and the only way i won was i won by such big margins because it is a rigged system. but the only way it's like a boxer. you have to knock them out. then you can't worry about the judges. now i like them all. i love them. they are fabulous people. after you win, you like everybody. i like them. somebody said do you like this one? because you spoke so harshly.

i love them, they are my best friends. >> and good morning, it is friday. does anyone feel like it's been a long week? >> i like them all. >> what's going on with you? >> what do you mean? >> why does he look different? >> he forgot to shave. >> he looks like he's trying to look like -- yeah, no. that's donnie. he has some sort of 5:00 sha degoing. >> i'm really liking your show, by the way. >> it's so good. >> it's awesome. >> who would have an issue with your show? >> who wouldn't like that? >> he carries it. >> who wants to watch that?

>> maybe people in the communist block. >> strange people with personal issues who spend too much time in front of the mirror. >> people who don't love jesus. >> washington anchor katy cay is here. >> of course. i don't live in the communist block. >> she says that with elegance. >> let's get to the news. >> what do you have? >> whatever i wear i get abused. >> let's bring the shot back to new york. >> donald trump captured the republican nomination. >> he did. yeah, he did, it's here. donald trump captured the republican nomination on his ability to make deals but one gop leader is still driving a hard bargain. yesterday paul ryan, the chairman of the republican

national convention, said he's not ready o to endorse trump. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. i hope to, though. i want to. i think what is required is that we unify this party. i think the bulk of the burden on unifying the party will have to come from our presumptive nominee. i don't want to underplay what he accomplished. he needs to be congratulated. but he also inherits something very special. that's very special to a lot of us. this is the party of lincoln, reagan, and we don't always nominate a lincoln or reagan every four years, but we hope our nominee aspires to be that. it doesn't unify us, but taking the principles we all believe in, showing there's a dedication to those and running a principled campaign that republicans can be proud of and appeal to a majority of americans, that, to me, is what it takes to unify this party.

>> this man is going to get the nomination buzz he earned it. he earned the vote. those of us need to learn a few lessons here. there's a bit of humility. especially leaders in congress. he tapped into something in this country that was it very powerful. people are sending a message to washington we need to learn from and listen to. but at the same time, now that we have a presumptive nominee who is going to be our standard barer, it's very important that there's a demonstration that our standards will be bared. >> so there was quite a response from donald trump that we'll get to in a moment. just listening to his tone, as well as the words, tone very measured. what did you think? >> i actually think it was perfect for a couple reasons. first of all, you do need some people holding out. donald trump understands the art of the deal. there have to be some people that are holding out for leverage. paul ryan is at the top of that list. donald trump wouldn't respect a

party that opposing the entire way, disagree with him on key policy issues and the second he wins they suddenly flock to him. it reminds me -- just because i won, that makes everything okay. it reminds me of an alabama football coach some years back that was caught sexually harassing people in the workplace and had this big hearing and he was going to be fired. but they gave him one more chance. but one of the board of e regents said better win 11 games. well, we alabama fans who were outraged said what does that have to do with the other. donald trump won. he won the national championship, so to speak. but are you staying true to the values and believes of the organization that you're now leading. so donald trump decided to run a year ago and that's awesome. that is awesome. he went out and he won. that's absolutely fantastic u.

he has a huge chunk of the party behind him. that's great too. but got to come together. and what makes great deal makers? people that can figure out what paul ryan needs and what mitch mcconnell needs and jeb bush needs and do his best to bring them together. he will do that. >> let it play out. he said i want to support him, i think i will support him. but let's just wait a second. i would do the same thing if i were in his position. he's going to end up on trump's side, so there's not a big deal. >> or working with him. >> i thought it was pitch p perfect. he was a leader. and he also sits at a spot that -- >> he congratulated him, he said great job. and we need to be humbled. >> he sits in a spot that no other republican sits. it was interesting.

chuck todd said when the flood gates really open for trump was when ryan came out and said i'm never going to be an option. because people woke up and said, it's not going to be cruz, but ryan holds this rarefied place. he's not the old establishment. he's got grav it is a. you get to this by trump's response. that shows you where he is -- trump did not call him pouty paul. >> he might now. >> let's read the trump thing. i u thought both of them were pitch perfect. >> maybe we're putting this to context for once. trump responded by saying he's not ready to back speaker ryan saying, i'm not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the american people. they have been treated so badly for so long it's about time for

politician s s to put them firs. you're absolutely right. >> when was the first time somebody kind of did not get on the trump bandwagon where trump did a difficult response. >> this sends a message to republicans. . i'll take your endorsement, but i don't really need it. can i tell a story really quickly? >> it wasn't that level of smugness. it was more restrained just like ryan's was. i thought both played ping-pong. >> trump doesn't need paul ryan. it will help him an awful lot. i'm just saying at the end of the day, there are a lot more trump supporters in wisconsin than paul wants to kiss off. and sometimes you have to just be willing to tell people, you know what, support me if you want. don't if you don't. going back to the art of the deal, if trump were like any

other politician like mitt romney, i look forward to paul ryan looking through my charts and position papers and supporting me one day. so it's all in paul ryan's hands. trump, no, screw you, i don't support you either. >> he didn't say screw you though. >> there was a nice enough edge to him and nice enough pushback that this allows you to do this publicly while you have people privately calling going, hey, let's get you guys together. you can figure it out. >> i have a darker view of this. >> that's the headlines. i thought when i read headlines about this it would be trump and ryan at each other's throats. i just read a really nice exchange that seems i'm here, but we're hoping to get here. >> i agree. he didn't call him lying ryan. there's three objections to donald trump. one is policy.

that one is easiest to bridge. one is stylistic and symbosymbo. ryan doesn't want their nominee to support banning muslims. the other is trump going to win? a lot of people think trump is not only going to lose but make paul ryan work to keep the majority. which can trump bridge in the short-term? neither. >> but whoever is telling paul ryan to not support the republican nominee because he might lose is offering really bad political advice. >> that's third on a list. it's not the most important, but it's a factor for a lot of house republicans. >> you don't want to be sitting on the sidelines when hillary clinton bets elected and nominates three supreme court nominees. chris christie says he will try to broker a truce between ryan and the presumptive nominee. trump's campaign manager said no meeting is currently scheduled. trump held his fire at a rally in charleston, west virginia,

last night, though earlier's mention of his name drew this reaction. >> we're told ryan said i will never endorse donald trump. >> ryan stand off with trump comes as a report his running mate won't be running for the presumptive nominee. the washington examiner says at an awards gala romney ruled out an independent bid but said i don't intend on supporting either kapd at this point. he said he's got no plans to attend the gop convention. meanwhile, former senator bob dole said he will briefly attend making him the only former nominee not to snub the party gathering. the reasons he's not going to the primaries is reelection campaign. and speaking with reporters yesterday he gave trump his support. >> as i said many times, i

support the nominee of the party. i will do what i can to influence the campaign in the areas of national security that i think are most need to be addressed. i have significant differences with donald trump on a lot of national security issue, but my job is to steer our party and nation's policies in the direction to make america safe. that's my obligation. yes, i have repeatedly said the things that i don't agree with him on. but i'm happy to campaign. i love being here. >> do you expect trump to endorse your campaign? >> i do not know what mr. trump's thinking is. except that it's going to be huge. >> now see, there's a perfect response. which john mccain is saying, listen, i don't like the nominee. he said some tough things about me.

i have said tough things about him, but he's our nominee. i have to try to make him better. that was the one thing that bothered me in the build up. when it started to look like he was going to win, the smart republicans, make somebody better. take a sad song and make it better. if you don't like his policies, go in and influence him. it's not like this guy can't be moved. he certainly can. ted cruz is a guy that can't be moved. you get in front of him and you can influence him. >> i completely agree. so then take a look at this. both former president bushes are withholding their support and trump cited foreign policy as the reason why. >> i understand why they are not. the war in iraq was perhaps the worst decision ever made in this country's history. it totally destabilized the middle east. it was a total disaster. it was made by bush. i took jeb bush on very hard.

they was very nasty to me. >> you think their decision has to do with jeb bush? >> of course, it does. i criticized his decision to g into iraq. >> now on that, i want to clear that up. you have come up with articles, but there's audio of you before -- >> no, there isn't. >> a buzzfeed piece. >> i'm talking to howard stern weeks before. first time ever anybody asked. i was a civilian. first time anybody asked e me about the war. it was a question are we going in. i said very weakly. >> you said it's a tremendous military success. >> what i u said is it was a success pause they thought it was a success. but before that, i said they shouldn't go in. >> it was one week ago that indiana governor mike pence endorsed ted cruz for president. >> where were you when governor

pensaco pence endorsed him? >> i remember the challenger, where it was. you remember 9/11. i remember the red sox. >> some of us were alive when kennedy was assassinated. >> where were you during that endorsement? >> i was a big business meeting and i wept. >> i remember it being very confusing. but last night it kind of cleared up. he got behind donald trump's campaign saying he's going to campaign hard for the presumptive nominee. one of trump's campaign antagonists senator rand paul said he's endorsing the nominee adding for kentucky the clintons will be terrible. billionaire donor sheldon adele son also came out in support of trump saying he won fair and square. after calling trump's candidacy a cancer on conservatism, former

texas governor rick perry said he's supporting trump. quote, he's one of the most talented people who has ever run for president i have ever seen. asked if he's interested in being trump's running mate, he said i'm going to be open to any way i can help. i'm not going to say no. >> if any of those people had snubbed him, trump would have squashed them. ryan is a different place. he is not yesterday. he is not everything that's been wrong. he's young, he's bright, he's just right of center. he's a different place. trump needs him. >> i don't know he does. i love paul. i just don't know he does. if i can pick one person to run against in a general election campaign and say, you know, if it were paul, of course, he's not for me. he voted for the bailout of the

banks. he made big banks get bigger. he voted to bankrupt medicare. this is a guy u that voted for every bad spending bill. he can go through all of that and he can actually use anybody as a foil out there. i think at the end of the day paul is going to come to him, but paul also, though, you u disagree with me? >> i disagree. i don't think it's going to be so easy. he does need paul ryan and paul ryan's followers. >> i think the bigger problem for paul ryan is he wants to run for president four years from now and paul sr. and a lot of other billionaires are not beginning to be pleased when he runs over to donald trump's arm. so this is about 2020 now as much as it's about 2016. he's got to handle this right. >> yeah, it will be interesting to see how they bridge that divide and what donald trump has

to do to get paul ryan on board or starts attacking him more. i agree. >> those are both very good. >> the lyen ryan was probably better. i u actually think there is an agenda issue. when donald trump chose those words i can't support his agenda, you get to something fundamental. he supports free trade deals and his whole life is about balancing the budget. those are the two principles that he's stood behind since he's been in office and what he's defined his career as. and they are not what donald trump supports. there is a fairly major policy difference. but for the republicans who are not frankly the kind of second tier republican who is have come out in the last day or two voel call liezing this support, what do you do about those things on tape, what donald trump said about mexicans and banning

muslims and women repeatedly, that's a tricky issue for republicans and when paul ryan says this is something we have to be proud about, i think that's what he's tapping into. that's what some republicans are wrestling with. >> we'll get to hillary clinton's reaction. >> he didn't mention temperament. he stayed on issues. >> he's already spoken about temperament issues several times with donald trump when it came to the muslim ban. how that's not what represents us. >> what i saw between the two of them was the begin ining of a relationship. i saw it differently. still ahead, dr. ben carson joins us. how he's advising donald trump in the search for a running mate. plus the senator bob corker and political director chuck todd. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. any relief? >> what a streak. it's like living in london. we're going to continue with the

clouds and rain today. a little better on saturday. sunshine in the east. but this morning we are locked in and the rain is getting worse. very heavy rain over maryland is working towards the d.c. area. it will peak between 8:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. that's when the heaviest rains will be over washington. light rain for you. the steadiest rains for you will be that same timing. here's how we're going to look at 8:00 a.m. airport delays will be building. it will slowly improve during the day today. it will be damp. the forecast for today. it's amazing how upside down the weather is. the warmest spots in the country today is in minneapolis at 88 degrees. that's air-conditioning weather there when we're stuck in the 50s and mid-atlantic. also showers and storms in salt lake city. now as far as the weekend is going to go, we will be watching the temperatures getting a little cooler in the northern portions of the plains. that will also watch the heat building in the southeast. atlanta looks great, tampa looks nice too. in the northeast, some showers around saturday, but not a rainy

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appearance at joint base andrews for the 75th anniversary celebration of the uso. really nice. let's move on to trump versus clinton. it was his first campaign event as the last republican candidate standing, but it was the same old donald trump in front of a crowd of roughly 13,000 in charleston, west virginia, last night. briefly wore a hard hat. imitating a coal miner. he vowed to revitalize the coal industry. he did not say how. and for the first time, trump trained his attack solely on hillary clinton hitting his likely general election opponent on everything from the clinton foundation, which he called a scam, to naf it. he managed to work in a joke about her husband's infidelities. >> the clinton administration of

which hillary was definitely a part, she was a part of almost everything. almost, not everything. almost. terrible, terrible. i didn't think the people of west virginia thought like that. that's terrible. you should be ashamed of yourselves. >> with all the challenges we face in america and in the world we can't have a loose canon in the oval office. that is a risk we cannot afford. >> several prominent conservatives have already announced they will be backing clinton in november. now her supporters are reportedly wooing big money donors from jeb bush's presidential campaign. >> so who are the conservatives? >> well, politico reports top targets include people like

woody johnson and the owner of the new york jets. >> you think woody is going to do that? >> there's a lot of new york money people that will support hillary. >> there's a network being formed and they are going to snag some surprising names. >> those will be names that will live in infamy in conservative circles for a long time. if they jump on early and everybody consolidates later. and then those people are responsible for what hillary does. i'm not saying. they have the right to do it. i don't think you want to be on that list four years from now. >> you will lose track of the number of money people who sign up. >> go ahead. >> he's getting frustrated. >> i am, it's friday, i'm very tired. speak, i want to hear it.

>>s what the message that hillary has to have against trump? it is a single message. when you look at trump now, you can either end up with reagan or martin sheen from the dead zone. you have to sell fear. >> you saw "the dead zone." that was awesome. gentlemen, the missiles are flying. >> the "washington post," hillary clinton will soon realize donald trump is very hard to run against. after i read this, i'm going to katty. this following donald trump's emergence as the presumptive presidential nominee is he has little chance of beating hillary clinton in the fall election. that she and her team of experienced operatives will carve trump up like a thanksgiving turkey. might happen, could happen, but clinton would do well to study the 16 republican candidates who held that same belief and watched as trump's systemically

destroyed them on his march to the nomination. if we learned anything about trump during the primary u campaign, it's this. he's very, very difficult to run against. katty, he's like a moving target. >> exactly what they all found out. in the clinton campaign, they still think this is the ideal candidate for them to run against. they wanted donald trump certainly over somebody like marco rubio, possibly over somebody like jeb bush. and all of the traditional matrix show us she has the advantage in this head to head context. the question is whether this having sledded all the rules so far whether this is a traditional campaign. for him the challenge is going to be simple. can he win over suburban single women. if he can't win over enough women, if he can't do something to improve his numbers with women, those traditional matrixes still hold for her. >> to the point i was starting to make, overall umbrella of

fear, he can blow up with nukes. he can punish you for abortion. fear, fear. that's the message that he's got to be prepared for. to her point, women when they go to the polls, they tend to be more risk averse. that's what trump has to be prepared for. >> she's going to be arguing to bring change, but she will be the safe u choice. >> that's core. >> so steve is going to be coming up soon. we're going to ask him again about bloomberg berg, who said he's not going to run as a third party candidate. curious to see what the thinking is inside because there's been some talk. also he can certainly help us out because he's on hillary's finance team. what republicans they are targeting. the type of republicans they are targeting. >> we'll talk about that coming

up. also for steve, forget six figure speaking fees in manhattan. that's chump change compared to the amount of money that will pour in for the general election. rattner has new charts on the fundraising battle for november. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ ♪

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joe" economic analyst steve rattner. >> name some republicans jumping to hillary's camp. give me a name. w woody johnson? >> i'm not sure how many. >> paul sr.? >> he and hillary are like that. >> they are really tight. >> they agree on everything. here's the point. it sounds like mark thinks this too. there's a group of wall street guys, business guys in new york. i was with them the other night who say they cannot vote for donald trump. will they come out and raise money and give big amounts of money, less sure of that, but you'll see the so-called republican establishment in new york not voting for donald trump. >> they are jealous of trump in new york. >> not in this case. >> a lot of money guys that just

don't like him. >> don't like donald? >> there's a little bit of jealousy. mostly not that though. >> what there are is are a lot of people who say donald trump isn't as rich as he says he is. he's a phoney on money. they won't do business with him because they don't think he's an honorable businessman. >> but let me also follow up. he's not in our club. he's gross. he's tacky. . >> but that's different than jealousy. >> right brain side of it. >> billionaires, they get kind of small when they start talking about money. >> they look down on him. >> they do. that's the point. >> a lot of them don't know it. >> rich people or men? >> the billionaires club. >> they look down on him. if i had a dollar for every billionaire that told me donald

trump doesn't have that much money, i would have a billion dollars. this is that's the first thing they tell you. it drives them batty. they worry too much about how much donald trump has. he drives them crazy. >> they think hillary clinton would be safer for their economy and their bottom line. they also don't like trump's stance on immigrants or trump's stance on foreign policy. >> it is a little bit of both. at the end of the day, it's more what mark said. they just find his positions on some of these issues whether tz muslims, foreign policy, whatever, impossible to support. >> every rich guy i know, they have tons of money but the one thing they don't have is celebrity. that's why they say he doesn't have as much money because that's the only way they can measure and feel bigger. >> i hate to tell you that but they don't want all celebrity and access. >> there are a lot of them that want what trump has. >> let's move on. >> is it money or men? >> donald trump is rolling autohis new national campaign. the presumptive nominee steered

clear of super pacs, but that's going to change in the general election. you just know it is. new charts are going to explore how the 2012 cycle set a precedent for us all and this time around. >> i think to understand what donald trump may or may not have to do or try to do to be competitive financially, let's look back at 2012. what happened in 2012 both obama and clinton each raised including various different pockets well over a billion dollars toward their reelections. $700 million in obama's case was so-called candidate money. the money that can give up to $2700 a candidate. the dnc raised $292 million and super pacs raised $131. for romney it was $450, 386 and $419. these are huge numbers. now let's take a welcome at what's happened so far. so far clinton has raised $180 million of candidate money.

the dnc, which has mostly been operating separately is changing as we speak. it's raised $92 million. trump is basically self-funding and so he has raised only about $12 million in the donate buttons he has on his website. and the rnc, here's the thing that surprised me. the rnc without trump has raised $138 million so far this cycle. reince priebus has done a good job keeping them together. so if you look from this point forward, you'll see this is what romney and obama raised post march. so starting now. everything trump did is done. here's what they raised going forward. obama, $527 million in checks of $2700 or less. the dnc raised another $117 million. and obama super pacs, $122.

romney raised $363 in candidate money. >> that's hard money. >> the rnc raised $245. the party money you cannot turn it over to the campaign, but you can do anything else you want. >> organize. >> also one little known fact is last fall the republicans slipped into a spending bill, that provision that raised the limit on what you can give to the party. roughly $35,000 to $350,000. >> that's a victory for the first amendment. >> and romney had $366 million. so trump picked a real guy yesterday as the finance chair. he's well known in financial circles. . this is a huge amount of money to raise. >> trump is going to raise a lot. i think low dollar donations and big checks. $2 million and up. i don't think he's going to

bundle. that's where hillary clinton is going to have a big advantage in hard dollars. >> do most people think hillary is going to dominate in the money race? >> again, i think trump may raise more than her in small dollars and trump may get bigger checks from her and for the party. the question is how efficiently can they spend that money. because the super pac money, can they organize as a super pac in the rnc. she's going to have thing mrs. centralized. she's also going to have to work a lot harder to raise the money. >> but also you can't raise large dollar checks without the candidate being there. >> he can make some phone calls. there's a big difference if you're getting $10 million opposed to $2 million. >> i'm just saying we have done a lot of events in our time. if you want to ask someone for $35,000 let alone $100, they want to see and touch the candidate. >> is trump not going to show up to fundraising? >> i don't think he will have to do much. he can make some phone calls.

>> those are huge numbers. >> people are people giving because they don't want hillary to be president. >> if donald trump wants to win, he's going to have to show up. he's going to have to show up at fundraisers for the big asks, i'm just saying. he's done it. i have been there. you have to pick up the phone. donald trump, it's not like some billionaire that didn't vote for them in the primary is going to be going can i write a check? >> i don't think he's going to be traveling to atlanta and chicago. >> you say atlanta with so much contempt. is it literally anything? >> i love atlanta, but hillary clinton has put a lot of miles on asking for money. trump will make some phone calls. >> stay with us. still ahead this morning, dr. ben carson suggests donald trump might pick a democrat as his running mate. we'll ask carson about that advice. plus the chairman of the

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of americans 57% believe the u.s. should deal with its own problems and let other countries deal with their us. i wish it was that simple. 41% think the u.s. already does too much in terms of solving issues around the world. that number jumps to 54% among donald trump supporters. a big gap from those who back hillary clinton. joining us now is president of the council on foreign relations richard hos. >> these numbers aren't surprising giving the last 14 years. >> they are a reflection of intervention fatigue where the

united states has spent trillions of dallollars and not much to show for it. the other side they look at things domestically. that's how a lot of people see it. we don't get much to show for it. here at home we're not doing enough. >> whether it's donald trump in the united states and great britain, this is something allies are grapple iing with. >> how much involvement to have in the world and whether we can restore national identity. i spoke about pride earlier and one of the things that donald trump has tapped into has supported britain pulling out of the european union is a sense of national pride. those people in britain who want to pull out of europe also feel if they did that it would restore a sense of pride. the question is once you get into the details of what foreign involvement really does look like, what's needed for national security, the picture gets a little bit more complicated. >> when you look at the election

though, and the poll for those driving into work right now. we showed a poll that americans want the next president to focus on domestic policy, 70%. >> look at that number. >> foreign policy, 17%. that's a 1-7 in your subaru. a massive divide. people want focus on america. america first. >> a lot of fatigue particularly because of the two wars, but also this goes to people mock trump saying america first. people want even foreign policy to be directed towards american interest first, plrly relating to the economy. talking about trade and immigration and allies pay more of the burden, this will play into the public mood in both parties. >> when people are talking about crushing isis, fine. isis needs to be crushed. but you're going to see more stories like we saw this week about a young marine coming home

to be buried by his family. >> what we have in iraq and also in syria is the creeping reintroduction of american ground forces and the idea that we're simply advising and training. what we saw the other day is the myth of that. there's no clear battle lines or forward lines. if you're there, you're potentially in a battle situation. we are going to have a steady number of casualties in that part of the world. >> that part of the world is where trump is being muscular. >> what we're not seeing is muscular in terms of introducing more military forces. the thrust of his foreign policy is we have done too much in the middle east. and strategically, there's an argument there that was the obama administration's position. we have done too much in the middle east, got to pivot to asia and what they are finding is it's easier to say it than do it. >> so there's another part of this poll that talks about 49% of americans think that it makes

sense, think it's a bad thing to be involved in the global economy. 44% think it's a good thing. of course, those numbers should be much higher that it's good. why is it that our leaders, our political leaders have failed so much in explaining why a global economy is good for america. >> they have failed to explain and there's things they failed to do. the part about failing to explain it is it is hard to explain to people you're all better off because the things you buy, the clothes you buy, the cars you buy are made elsewhere and they are cheaper and getting the benefit of it. if you look at price increases and things like furniture and apparel that e we don't make anymore, the price increase has been small because they are made elsewhere. it's very diffuse. but the losers are very easy to identify. they are the people who have lost their jobs from trade because the carrier plat moves to mexico.

what we have totally failed to do is to do anything at all to help that group of people. we have some trivial programs here and there, but we have basically got nothing. so the average manufacturing worker if michigan has seen his wage go from $27 an hour to $21 today. what's the surprise about how well donald trump does in michigan. >> and so depressing for these voters is they listen to bill clinton in 1992. walking around the snows of new hampshire. he was talking about a changing economy and we have to do all this to help you guys that are losing your jobs get a new job. >> here we are. 15 years later. >> most of these jobs are not lost because of trade. they are lost because of technology and innovation. trade is being scapegoated. >> i completely disagree with that but we're out of time u.

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>> he's great. >> he's the host of "with all due respect." he had a good time. your show is amazing. it's one of those shows, you know what i'm saying? >> it's at 6:00 on msnbc. people who watch it are brilliant. >> we also have the president of the council on form relations richard hos, steve rattner, katty kay. and he just would watch it every day. that's just part of his daily routine. and screens. lots of his screens. people who have companies with lots of computer screens watch it.

>> donald trump yesterday became the presumptive nominee. today, what are your thoughts? >> well, it's interesting to watch paul ryan and others squirm with discomfort. historically, one of my thoughts is we have never been in a position that's been more ripe for someone to try to do a third party, but it's almost impossible. you have two presumptive nominees who are pretty historically high and hijacked the party, that they don't stand for the basic values of the republican party. yet there's no way the system can adjust to this. it's a bit of a shame. you kind of wish there were at least some options for an independent candidacy in america. >> steve rattner, let me ask you about the bloomberg run, which a lot of people wanted him to run

back in march. he opted out. but if you've fwot a democrat at 56% disapproval, there is not a better time for someone to run as an independent candidate. >> yeah, except for one small problem. with all due respect to the people who know a lot, here's a problem. it's called the electoral college. you need 270 electoral votes. he spent a a lot of time thinking about this. he would love to help his country, but there's no scenario you get as a third party 270 electoral votes. best case you split the vote three ways and end up in the house of representatives where you have not a single member to vote for you. they are all democrats or

republicans and presumably wins. you have to win 270 outright as a third party. ask yourself where a third party candidate is going to win. >> we have already seen an independent can get a chance to be elected president. donald trump. he took over the republican party. the last of the stop trump movement is to get a series of people to run to stop anybody from getting 270 votes. >> if they get somebody to run, the question is is it too late? i hear you had to do it by march. >> it's possible to get enough ballots to keep clinton or trump from 270. it's possible. >> north carolina and texas are the tough states. some people think you can litigate and those laws are not constitutional that you ought to be on close to the election. >> bill crystal, could you get

on. >> with a lot of money and a well organized effort, you could get enough ballots to block anybody from getting 270. >> that's probably true. the one strategy you could do if you're a rel conservative and want to elect a real conservative, you can block somebody from getting 270. get in the house and the house votes for you rather than for the republican nominee. that would be the one shot you could try to play. >> not the most surprising shot. if your a real republican and turn out more conservative voters and republicans continue to control the house partly because of that, the republicans in the house get to decide who they want to vote for as president if there's a dead lock in the electoral college. they are probably not going to choose trump. it seems that there should be a little bit more thinking of this. >> remember teddy roosevelt

split the vote andwo woodrow wilson split the vote. >> except in this case if you can stop hillary clinton from getting to 270. >> if you can. >> it goes into the house. whoever they find that can win some states, get in there, she's under 270, then suddenly whoever that republican is is probably going to get more votes. >> the simplest way to get paul singer and all his friends to say to ben, go campaign in florida, ohio, virginia and colorado. just win those four states. if he wins those four states, it's possible no one gets 270 and ben could be picked by the house. >> here's peggy newman and the "wall street journal." trump was the spark, not the fire. i do not understand the impulse of the trump people to shun those republicans who will not

vow to oppose mr. trump and commit to defeating him. they have been warned that if they don't do these things, they will not be allowed to help rebuild the party after mr. trump destroys it. conservatives love to throw conservatives out of conservati conservatism. >> it's like the witch trial. they have been doing it for years. seriously. >> we were at the salem witch u trials last night. >> it's like a tick. are but great political movements should not be run like private clubs and have them noticed they aren't in charge anymore? that in the great antiestablishment disruption of 2016 they have been up ended too? do they get that? they don't get that. that's the problem. >> do they get that? >> most people don't. they think it's an aberration because the media gave trump a

lot of coverage. >> is that what they are still saying? >> we weren't tough on trump. they were blind to the issues that trump talked about. >> one of these days, somebody is going to do what they do every four years. not only going to look at the amount of coverage candidates have gotten, they are going to weigh the positive coverage and the negative kocoverage. for trump it's been about 80/20 negative to positive. you look on broadcasts, newspapers, look all around and it's overwhelmingly negative. >> except when he does phone interviews with any show, not this one, but any other show he just talks and talks. that's positive coverage. >> remember rob ryaner yesterday was so frustrated here. >> unfiltered. >> give the people what they want. >> it's a way to make them smile.

we've got a way forward. a republican and a lot of money. they run a third party deal. ends up in the house. they get elected. >> isn't the more likely that it creates pluralities for hillary clinton? >> in every state, yes. she wins 50 states. >> it might be enough. >> so let's take a lock at some of the stories making news pertaining to all of this. donald trump is getting many many republican leaders to back him as the party's nominee. there's just one who is not there yet, but there were a lot who got on board. we'll get to that. house speaker praul ryan said he's not ready to endorse trump. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. i hope to, though. i want to. but i think what is required is that we unify this party. i think the bulk of the burden

on unifying the party will have to come from our presumptive nominee. . i don't want to underplay what he accomplished. he needs to be congratulated, but he also inherits something very special. that's very special to a lot of us. this is the party of lincoln, reagan, jack kemp and we don't always nominate a lincoln or reagan every four years, but we hope our nominee aspires to be that. actually taking the principles that we all believe in, showing that there's a dedication to those and running a principled campaign that republicans can be proud about and appeal to a majority of americans, that's what it takes to unify this party. >> this man is going to get the nomination because he earned it. he won the vote. more importantly, i think those of us need to learn a few lessons here. there's a bit of humility that each of us needs, especially leaders in congress. he tapped into something in this

country that was very powerful. people are sending a message to washington that we need to learn from and listen to. but at the same time, now that we have a presumptive nominee who is going to be our standard bare. er, i think it's very important that there's a demonstration that our standards will be bared. >> trump responded by saying he's not ready to back speaker ryan. perhaps in the future. we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the american people. they have been treat sod badly for so long that it's about time for politician s s to put u the first. everybody -- i read about this preparing for the show and it was like trump/ryan at each other's throats. and you read it and this is the beginning of them trying to figure out how to sort of come together. it doesn't just happen like that. because that's fake. that's what the fake people do. people who want to try to work together have to meet in the

middle. >> it's hard to imagine the chairman that has to gavel a convention together not supporting the nominee. it's never happened before. that is fairly seismic to have the most senior elected republican come out and say i don't actually support our nominee at the moment. let's not underplay the importance of that. and what paul ryan is probably doing as part of that dance negotiation process with donald trump is giving some kind of cover to members of the house who feel that they are going to have a problem further down the line if they come out and support trump themselves. i think he's giving some sort of cover to other republicans and some kind of voice to those who feel that trump is a burden on the party. >> i agree it's a big deal. i agree it's a big deal. having said that, let me read these endorsements and listen to

how fake they sound. listen to how hollow they sound. listen to how much it makes you go, ugh, god. a week after governor mike pence endorsed ted cruz for president, last night he got behind donald trump's campaign saying he's going to campaign hard for the presumptive nominee. you can't imagine he feels that way now. >> rand paul said the clintons will be terrible for kentucky. >> shelton aideleson said the same. >> he's one of the most talented people who has ever run for president that i have seen. what was that on "curb your enthusiasm."

>> when are they doing another season? >> done. >> it's a sad thing. the texas governor said i'm going to be open to any way i can help. i'm not going to say no. former governor rick perry wants to be vice president. >> john mccain said he's not attending the convention because he's running for reelection. he's still giving his support to trump. >> as i said many times, i support the nominee of the party. i will do what i can to influence the campaign in the areas of national security that i think are most need to be addressed. i have significant differences with donald trump on a lot of national security issues, but my job is to steer our party and nation's policy in the direction to make america safe. that's my obligation. i have repeatedly said the things i don't agree with him on. but i'm happy to campaign.

i love being here. >> would you expect trump to endorse your campaign? >> i do not know what mr. trump's thinking is. except that it's going hob huge. >> good that he can keep a sense of humor. walter, i guess we all knew this point was going to come. when john mccain gets out there skports a guy that says that war heroes not getting capture, now mccain is out there supporting the normal e knee, that sends a strong message. >> i love your assumption that we all knew this was beginning to happen. that donald trump would attack john mccain's war record. >> we know how this story always ends. they scream and yell and scratch

and claw and 95% of them cozy up to power because it's washington, d.c. >> fakely. >> i think you saw a very uncomfortable john mccain saying he's going to support the nominee of his party and try to move him. it raises the question for donald trump. is he going to cozy up to the establishment wing and conservative wing of the republican party by picking a running mate like rick perry? or is he going to remain unconventional. >> that's a good question. >> also interesting questions about what the republican platform will look like. there are fundamental differences between a paul ryan and donald trump and the question is where do they meet? >> it's going to be fascinating. walter, thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe," dr. ben carson went from one of donald trump's top rivals to most trusted advisers. the former presidential candidate explains that transformation and what advice he's giving trump on his pick for a running mate.

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21 past the hour. joining us is moderator u of "meet the press" chuck todd. and halle jackson on the set. must be nice. >> a moment to breathe. and columnist for the new york daily news and msnbc contributor mike lupica. . >> we were just talking last block about an independent candidate. is it too late? is there any pathway forward? >> the only realistic way is to hijack the libertarian party's nomination. or support gary johnson.

but that convention is at the end of may. they are the only vehicle that can get 50-state ballot access. i u interviewed gary. he's right about one thing. you could have all the one main the world and can't get on the ballot in all 50 sate states. if it they are serious about doing this, there's an option. you can go and hijack the nomination thif that's what you wanted to do, but that's the only vehicle in that lane. >> mike, you suggest that maybe now is the time in your column because you talk about the death of the republican party. >> well, yeah. it will rise again. it's like you can't kill the republican party. i was thinking about this the other day. in sports you always say who did they beat to get to this moment? and hillary clinton has won two elections in her life. trump hasn't won any elections except on television.

she got elected to the united states senate and then the second time she ran she beat the former mayor of yonkers. and the unknowable thing to me, because there's no metric where you can see trump having a path to being president of the united states. the unknowable thing is what's going to happen when it's finally donald trump and hillary clinton on the stage. >> i have said it here. my biggest concern about jeb bush was i thought he was a great governor. i liked his policy positions but he never ran against anybody tough. >> we always talk about the popular vote in this country. isn't this going to be the first presidential election that comes down to the unpopular vote and who can decrease their unfavorables the most. >> speaking of. >> it is sort of who wins the

whole vote because that will be the swing vote this year. that group of voters and who are they. >> even the candidates getting out. ted cruz's ratings plummeted. >> will he rise again? >> his people see him as the de facto leader. he was one of the last men standing. i don't think anybody would have predicted that 13 months ago that it was going to be him and john kasich. >> that worked for rick santorum very well. >> that's the other argument. >> i heard that line. >> hillary clinton was met by protesters on the campaign trail in california yesterday. hundreds of protesters and bernie sanders supporters d demonstrated outside the rally at east los angeles college. she was also interrupted by protesters inside the event. she tried to ignore them.

the commotion forced her to wrap up early since the speech lasted all of 13 minutes. >> i got to say. it is so rude and so irritating for people to come in and interrupt a political speech, not so much for the person giving the speech, but for the thousands and thousands of people who took off work, took their kids out of school, fought hard to get to wherever the rally was, some of them driving hours to come there to hear their candidate speak and then to have people get up and scream. you want to protest, protest. do it, make your statement, get on tv and march out. but it's extraordinarily rude. >> hasn't that become the culture? it's not what you're for, it's what you're against. the againsters, the professional againsters are drowning out the people who actually want to make this about issues. >> they help trump.

i don't know if they help hillary. it's rude as hell. >> hillary clinton outlined her views on the presidency and running as a woman in a chat with the los angeles times editorial board. when it comes to donald trump, he's not going to get away with his attacks on women. according to clinton, trump's accusation that she was playing the woman card has lit a fire under women across the country. >> i think it's because they see in his attacks on me or on megyn kelly or carly fiorina or whoever else he's attacking at the moment really a much broader attack on them. and i think we're going to be. pushing back and drawing the contrast whenever he does that. because it's just absolutely beyond the pale and he's not going to get away with it. at least not going forward.

>> you look quizzical. >> i'm just wondering. it's one more unknowable thing about the fall. it's trump and hillary clinton. obama won 55% of the women's vote four years ago. what will hillary clinton win in a general election against donald trump? >> right now? >> 65%. he's got to work with hispanics first. he has to work with women. he's got to back off some of his muslim ban comments. he loses white suburban women. >> one at a time. hispanic first. >> i don't think he can fix that. that's something -- that's what you have to work on. >> i don't think he can fix that. he didn't help himself yesterday with that tweet. >> as far as muslims go though, you put together a blue ribbon panel that tells you how you can

allow muslims to come into this country without threatening the security of the united states. he can say i've got a blue ribbon panel together. i have been doing this nine months. there's a blue ribbon panel and this is how we screen muslims so they can come in. there are going to be some from war torn countries we can't let in and he can lift the muslim ban. i do agree, though, on the hispanic issue. >> on women, i think he has a powerful weapon in ivanka. i think you're going to see her more on the trail. >> i totally agree. i'm not sure where that is going to end up. i think honestly, it can go either way between hillary and trump on this issue in terms of the big picture. >> we're going to be spin ining our wheels for four months on

this question. because honestly, until we see the two of them stand next to each other and how they interact with each other at a debate, i don't think it's knowable yet on exactly whether he can fix his issues with women or not. we'll know -- i think women will make that judgment based on how he treats her when they stand next to each other. >> how far will he go? >> mike, thank you so much. we're going to be watching you at 4:00 this afternoon on msnbc's "road warriors." >> don't screw it up. >> it's all about the lead in. >> chuck, what's on sunday? >> mr. trump. we're going to go long. alert the affiliates. >> he calling in? >> why do you think i'm here? i'm going to make the trek. i'm going to walk uphill both ways. i don't know what room we're doing it in.

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yesterday donald trump t tapped his deputy campaign manager to coordinate with the republican national committee in planning the convention in july. and trump says he might wait until then to reveal his running mate. joining us from palm beach gardens, florida, dr. ben carson. supporter of donald trump and is currently helping lead the process of selecting the likely gop nominee's running mate. good to have you back on the show. we got a hint from donald trump that he was going to choose someone political. >> a new washington. >> can you give us anymore hints please? >> well, it kind of makes sense that if you're a political outsider that you would want to have someone in your administration who was very familiar with the inner workings of the party. that doesn't mean that you're

going to become an insider and do things like they have always done, but you clearly need to know how things operate there. i think that's really what he's talking about. also talking about somebody who can work very well with the senate. as president of the senate, you need to know what all the rules are and have relationships and be able to facilitate a bipartisan forward moving type of program rather than just gridlock all the time. >> so is it more likely that a senator from washington would fit that description as somebody that knows how to make washington work more than say a governor? >> certainly we would look at everybody. we would look at all kinds of different people. the question came up when i was

interviewing with "wall street journal" would you look at a democrat. if there was a democrat who strongly upheld the constitution, believed in personal responsibility, a hand up rather than a hand out, fiscal responsibility, we're willing to talk to them. but clearly you need people who are consistent with the views that the president has. >> trump rolling out the possibility of a democrat. can you imagine that? >> dr. carson, i want to just play devil's advocate for a seco second. 70% of the people voting for trump saying he's an outsider. doesn't it make sense to go all in whether it's a general, so

the entire ticket is all outsider. >> i think we want to look at everybody. this is such an important position. such an important election that's coming up. you don't want to exclude anybody just on the basis of some characteristic. and one of the things that has really troubled me is we look at the way that we have divided america up. we get into our respective u corners and hate each other and say we won't even talk to you. this is a problem. this is not a problem that donald trump has, by the way. but it is a problem. and unless we solve that problem, a house divided against itself cannot stand. >> dr. carson, do you think donald trump should release his

tax returns as he said he would? >> if he says he's going to release them, he's going to release them. it will be at an appropriate time. >> what would the appropriate time be? he says he hasn't done it because the returns are under audit. if they remain under audit through the election, are you comfortable with his never releasing his tax returns, which would be unprecedented? >> i don't believe that's going to be the case. i believe they will be released. >> steve rattner? >> yesterday, speaker ryan said he wasn't ready to support donald trump and donald trump issued a statement saying he wasn't ready to support speaker ryan's policies. what do you think donald trump should do to heal that division? >> well, i was personally very disappointed to hear speaker ryan say that because we need to be thinking about unity. if we divide the party we ensure

the victory of the opposite party. we have to be a bit more mature than that. we have to think about the future of our children. if we continue down this road of fiscal irresponsibility, military weakness, it's just not going to work out. i hope speaker ryan and many others as time goes on will begin to understand that and realize we have to work together. you don't have another choice. you get behind the choice you have whether you personal loi like them or not. if you're a believer. >> should donald trump do anything to make that happen? >> absolutely. he is doing something to make that happen. during his speech the other night he had praise for ted cruz and for others.

that's extending the olive branch. that's the beginning of the process. and he will continue to make those gestures because he's a very reasonable person. i have said it many times. go and talk to the people that work with them. talk to the people who know them. i talked to one of his neighbors the other night. he was saying the guy is absolutely wonderful the way he treats everybody. that's going to be manifested quite nicely. i think we'll all see that. >> we have been talking about it on the program, donald trump can't win the election unless he improves his ratings with women. what specifically do you think he should do to do that? >> well, obviously, he will talk about u issues that are important to everybody, including women u. i think you will find that he will have a lot of appointments that will include very strong

and accomplished women. some people seem to be surprised at the suggestion that many of the people who are potential vice president picks could be women. why should that surprise anybody? halve of our population is women. so we all recognize that. that's not an issue. >> dr. ben carson, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> coming up, a third u.s. service member killed in iraq since the u.s.-led campaign to take out isis launched in 2014. but the obama administration says no boots are on the ground. we're going to talk to the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee about that. we'll be right back.

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♪ above the fruited plain >> that was an attack ad from the 2012 campaign when president obama took an unscripted moment from mitt romney and made his pay for it. joining us now former advance man to president bill clinton josh king. he's the author of the new book "off script." and boy, does that apply to a lot of things that have been going on in this election cycle. i don't even know where to begin. i guess from your experience, what has been the biggest spectacle of stage craft and the biggest example of political suicide so far. >> in this campaign? >> yeah. >> the only thing that has stuck big time was the saturday night debate appearance of marco rubio coming out of iowa. momentum behind him, new donations coming to him, chance if he performed well in new

hampshire to begin to distance himself from the field and be that establishment candidate that he was always purported to be. it didn't happen and the chris christie attack on him and his effort to his effort to try and rebound from that still left him in bad shape after the new hampshire numbers. and that's really the worst stage craft performance we've seen. there's so many goofs and gaffes that nothing has really stuck. even donald trump yesterday with his taco bowl tweet almost makes him look comfortable in his own skin. and as we -- he has 75,000 retweets of that. but there's going to be something in the next day. so we're not having the sticking power of either that romney moment or beginning of the age of optics, dukakis, 1988. >> why is nothing sticking? >> how many million followers do you have, you have and you have? there's too much of it for us to

consume. there's no ability, i think we've seen so far, for paid ads to make these moments continue. now five weeks after dukakis was in the tank is when the ad went on the air, game three of the world series. there wasn't much to watch or do besides that game three of the world series. the dodgers against the a's. we all watched that commercial and talked about it the next day and next day and for the three weeks that followed until election day of '88. >> you talk 1992. clinton playing the sax on arsenio. today it would be a nonevent and it was this media moment and how he captured the zeitgeist. the media moments are too fleeting. in the case of trump, there's just teflon. he's the one who obviously is doing the things you'd go -- we were talking off camera, that would end somebody's campaign.

that's a nonevent. >> yesterday in west virginia, donald trump gets on the stage and puts on a coal miner's helmet. he violated what president obama said in the east room in 2013. politics 101. you never put on a hat if you are president. that's something you don't do. exactly 28 years ago today, may 6th, 1988, dukakis descends to the donaldson mine company and puts on a miner's coat and hat and he's derided for days. and that began this prohibition in the dukakis '88 campaign. never put a hat on the candidate. >> that's why ted cruz wouldn't wear the cheese head? >> yes. >> i'm going to very carefully ask about that tweet. maybe -- is it more than a nonevent. i wonder if we're -- everything that we've been -- that everyone says that was wrong. what he said was wrong. what he did was wrong. turned out to be right for him for the most part.

i think there's two things in terms of issues or comments he said that nobody can stand by at least in the media, if that matters. but you say he's exceptionally branded himself and crafted his image. >> yeah. >> and he's put professional stage crafters out of business. >> beginning to, i think. >> yeah? what would you do if you worked for donald trump? >> well, i've watched you guys since the day he descended the gilded escalator at trump tower and watched joe say take this guy seriously. he's been brand disciplined. have you seen him much outside of his blue suit? have you seen him ever actually eating except for looking at his taco bowl and giving a thumbs up. mark leibovitz wrote this story about him gorging himself on potatoes au graten but you never saw that in video except when kasich was putting his mouth into a huge slice of pizza,

donald tore right into him. a disciplined guy on the stump. every place he goes, his podiums are designed to say exactly where he is. so those -- the video of him in any particular place always looks a little different. his backdrops are generally very enthusiastic with his supporters. not a lot of problems except for the guy dipping a taco chip. there's not a lot i'd do to get to this point. >> talk about the staging of the events and the sort of what you think they're going for besides the people behind him look enthusiastic. >> well, it's interesting. at the very top of your show today, you showed a clip of trump in west virginia and you showed a clip of secretary clinton in california. and trump clearly no notes. we've seen the sharpie piece of paper that he has to -- on the rough things he's going to cover when he's going to get on the stump. secretary clinton, she has her

zinger ready to go. we don't need a loose cannon in the oval office. but she has to look down at the podium to see that very word. so a candidate should be able to know exactly what they are going to project as their tough-hitting sound bite for that day without looking down. whatever scene trump puts himself in, to show him as in command of the camera as he was on those 15 seasons of "the apprentice" is what he's trying to effect. whether he's in west virginia or in the middle of the country or west coast as he's going today. >> it's what every brand bible says. authenticity. that's why he gets away with it. at least he's being him. that's why he gets the pass. >> study that picture and that tweet again. it says a weird thing about i love hispanics. he'll pay for that but should have paid for so many other things. but look at that scene in his office. that is a man kftab abcomfortabs

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 9:00 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. donny deutsch is here. spend a lot of time in front of the mirror -- >> you have to because when you're injecting the human growth hormones you get that in the wrong place, your jaw -- >> no proof of that. there's never been proof of that. >> you don't -- >> just like your tan is also natural. along with managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin and washington anchor for bbc world news america, catty kay. let's get to the big political news of the morning. donald trump captured the republican nomination on his ability to make deals. one gop leader is still driving a hard bargain. house speaker ryan says he's not

ready to endorse trump. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. and i hope to, though, and i want to, but i think what is required is that we unify this party. and i think the bulk of the burden will come from the presumptive nominee. he needs to be congratulated but he also inherits something very special. that's very special to a lot of us. this is the party of lincoln, of reagan, of jack kemp and we don't also nominate a lincoln and a reagan every four years but we hope that our nominee, as far as being lincoln or reaganesque. actually taking the principles we all believe in, showing that there's a dedication to those and running a principled campaign that republicans can be proud about and can appeal to a majority of americans. that is what it takes to unify this party. look. this man is going to get the nomination because he earned it.

he deserved it. he won the vote. and those of us need to learn a few lessons. there's a bit of humility each of us needs, especially leaders in congress. he tapped into something in this country very powerful. and people are sending a message to washington that we need to learn from and listen to. but at the same time, now that we have a presumptive nominee who is going to be our standard bearer, it's um portent there's a demonstration that our standards will be bared. >> quite a response from donald trump that we'll get to in just a moment. listening to his tone, as well as the words. very measured. what did you think? >> i actually think it was perfect for a couple of reasons. first of all, you do need some people holding out. donald trump understands the art of the deal. there have to be some people holding out for leverage. paul ryan is at the top of that list. donald trump respect a party that opposed him the entire way,

disagreed with him on key policy issues and the second he wins suddenly flock to him. just because i won, that makes everything okay. it reminds me of an alabama football coach some years back that was caught sexually harassing people in the workplace and had this big hearing and he was going to be fired. but they gave him one more chance. and but one of the board of regents said, yeah, but better win 1 1 games. we alabama fans were outraged. what does that have to do with the other? donald trump won. he won the national championship, so to speak. but are you staying true to the values and beliefs of the organization that you are now leading? and so, yeah, donald trump decided to run a year ago and that's awesome. that is awesome. and he went out and he won. and that's absolutely fantastic. he has a huge chunk of the party behind him.

that's great, too, but got to come together. what makes great dealmakers? people that can figure out what paul ryan needs and mitch mcconnell and jeb bush and do his best to bring them together. he'll do that. >> let it play out. >> paul ryan, it's not like he was, you know, one of those -- >> he's not a never trump. >> he said i want to support him. i think i will support him. but let's just wait a second. and i would do the same thing if i were in his position. he's going to end up on trump's side. so there's not a big deal. >> working with him. >> donny, do you agree? >> i thought it was pitch perfect. he was a leader. and he also sits at a spot that -- >> he congratulated him. he said great job and we need to be humble. >> and he sits in a spot no other republican sits. trump brought up an interesting thing. when the flood gates really open for trump was when ryan came out

and said i'm never going to be an option because then people woke up and said, oh, it's not going to be cruz but ryan holds this rarefied place. he's not the old establish lt. he's got gravitas. he's new age. >> so maybe we're playing -- >> that shows you where he is. trump did not call him pouty paul. he said the same thing in reverse and -- >> he might now. >> i thought his tone -- >> let's read the trump thing. and i thought both of them were pitch perfect. >> maybe we're putting this to context for once. trump responded by saying he's not ready to back speaker ryan saug, quote, i'm not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the american people. they've been treated so badly for so long that it's about time for the politicians to put them first. actually, you're absolutely right. >> the first time that somebody kind of took a -- did not get on the trump bandwagon or a little

bit of a slap where trump did not smack anded ju ejust did a - >> this sends a message to republicans. i'll takior endorsement. i don't really need it. can i tell a story really quickly? >> it wasn't that level of smugness. >> okay. >> it was more restraint just like ryan's was. i thought both played ping-pong perfectly on both sides of it there. >> trump doesn't need paul ryan. he doesn't need -- it will help him an awful lot. >> the one guy he does need. who is the one guy he does need? >> i'm just saying at the end of the day, there are a lot more trump supporters in janesville, wisconsin, than paul wants to kiss off and sometimes you have to be willing to tell people, you know what? support me if you want. but going back to the art of the deal -- i just wanted to get that out there. if trump were like any other politician like mitt romney,

he'd go, well, i look forward to paul ryan looking through my charts and position papers and supporting me one day. and so it's all in paul ryan's hands. trump's no. screw you. i don't support you either. >> he didn't say screw you. >> but there was a nice enough edge to him and a nice enough push back that this allows you to do this publicly while you have people privately calling going, hey, let's get you guys together. you can figure it out. >> so -- >> i've got a darker view. >> you have a darker view? the rest of the media, the headlines are like, oh, my -- i thought when i read headlines it would be like trump/ryan at each other's heads. it seems like a news exchange. i'm here, i'm here, we're hoping to get here. >> i agree. he didn't call him lyin' ryan. >> that rhymes. >> three objections in his orbit. one, his policy. that one is the easiest to bridge. one is stylistic. and symbolic like a guy like

ryan doesn't want their nominee to support banning muslims. but the other is, is trump going to win? and a lot of people around paul ryan think trump is not only going to lose but make paul ryan work to keep the majority. which of those two can trump bridge in the short term? neither. >> whoever is telling paul ryan to not support the republican nominee because he might lose is offering really bad political advice. >> that's third on the list. it's not the most important but it's a factor for a lot of house republicans. >> you don't want to be sitting on the sidelines when hillary clinton gets elected and nominates three supreme court nominees. chris christie says he'll try to broker a truce between ryan and the presumptive nominee though no meeting is currently scheduled. trump held his fire at a rally in charleston, west virginia, last night. though an earlier mention of a speaker ryan's name drew this

reaction. >> we're told that paul ryan said i will never endorse donald trump. >> it comes as a report says his 2012 running mate mitt romney won't be voting for the nominee. romney ruled out an independent bid but said i don't intend on supporting either of the major party candidates at this point. an aide to romney said he's got no plans to attend the summer's gop convention. bob dole said he will briefly attend making him the only former nominee not to snub the party gathering. and john mccain says the reason he's not going is his re-election campaign. and speaking with reporters yesterday he gave trump his support. >> i will, as i said many times, i support the nominee of the party. i will do what i can to

influence the campaign in the areas of national security that i think are most needed to be addressed. i have significant differences with donald trump on a lot of national security issues but my job is to steer our party and our nation's policies in a direction to make america safe. that's my obligation. yes, i have repeatedly said the things that i don't agree with him on, but i'm a happy warrior. i'm happy to campaign. i love campaigning. i'm happy to be here. >> do you expect trump even to endorse your campaign? >> i do not know what mr. trump's thinking is. except that it's going to be huge. >> now see, there's a perfect response, which john mccain is saying, listen. i don't like the nominee. he's said some tough things about me. i've said some tough things about him. but he's our nominee. i've got to try to make him

better. that was the one thing that bothered me. trump started to look like he was going to win. all of the smart republicans, make somebody better. take a sad song and make it better. figure out if you don't like his policies, go in and influence him. it's not like this guy can't be moved. he certainly can. ted cruz is a guy that can't be moved. >> that's why i didn't get that whole thing. >> donald trump you can move. you get in front of him, you can influence him. >> i completely agree. so then take a look at this. former president bushs are withholding their support and trump cited foreign policy as the reason why. >> i understand why they're not. the war in iraq was perhaps the worst decision ever made in this country's history. it totally destabilized the middle east. it was a total disaster. was made by bush. i took jeb bush on very hard. he was very nasty to me. >> so you think their decision has to do with jeb bush? >> of course it does.

i criticized his decision to go into iraq. >> now on that, i just want to clear that up. you've coming up with articles, but there's audio of you before the war -- >> no, there isn't. >> a buzz feed piece -- >> i'm talking to howard stern weeks before. first time anybody asked. i was a civilian. first time anyone asked me about the war. it was a question, are we going in. i said very weakly, yeah, i guess. >> and on the first day of the war you said that it's a tremendous military success. >> what i said is it was a success because they thought it was a success, but before that i said they shouldn't go in. >> it was one week ago that indiana governor mike pence endorsed ted cruz for president. things have changed. >> where were you, right, when governor pence endorsed ted cruz? >> everybody remembers this. >> i remember the "challenger" where i was. of course you remember 9/1 1.

but where were you during that endorsement? >> it was convoluted at the time. >> can you tell us where you were? >> i was in a big business meeting and i wept. because you remember emotionally. >> really? i remember it being very confusing. but last night it kind of cleared up. he got behind donald trump's campaign saying he's going to campaign hard for the presumptive nominee. one of trump's campaign antagonists, senator rand paul, said he's endorsing the nominee adding for kentucky, the clintons will be terrible. billionaire donor sheldon adelson also came out in support of trump saying, quote, he won fair and square. after calling trump's candidacy a cancer on conservatism, former texas governor rick perry -- >> a good kind of cancer. >> no -- said he's supporting

trump. he's one of those talented people who has ever run for president i have ever seen. >> true that. >> asked if interested in being trump's running mate? i'm going to be open to helping any way i can. >> if any of those would have snubbed him, trump would have had a nasty -- >> ryan is in a very different place than anybody else in the american consciousness. he is not yesterday. he is not everything that's been wrong. he's young. he's bright. he's just right of center. he's a different place. trump needs him. >> i don't know that he does. i love paul. i just don't know that he does. if i -- >> different signal. >> if i can pick one person to run against him in a general election campaign and say, you know if it were, let's say, paul, i'd go, of course he's not for me. he voted for the bailout of the banks. he made big banks get bigger. he voted to bankrupt medicare.

this is a guy that voted for every bad spending -- he can go through all of that and he can actually use anybody as a foil out there. i think at the end of the day, paul is going to come to him, he's going to come to paul. but at the end of the day -- you disagreeing? >> i don't think it's going to be so easy. i think he does need paul ryan and paul ryan's followers. still ahead -- hillary clinton looks completely past bernie sanders to take on donald trump. while donald trump throws on a hard hat and takes on clinton. we'll have the latest on the looming general election battle that's already getting kind of tough. you're watching "morning joe." >> it's going to get much worse.

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trump in front of a crowd of roughly 13,000 in charleston, west virginia, last night. he briefly wore a hard hat. >> what was that move? >> that was great. can you rewind that? >> imitating a coal miner. he vowed to revitalize the declining coal industry though he did not say how. for the first time trump trained his attack solely on hillary clinton, hitting his likely general election opponent on everything from the clinton foundation which he called a scam to nafta. and he even managed to work in a thinly veiled joke about her husband's infidelities. >> the clinton administration of which hillary was definitely a part, she was a part of almost everything -- almost, i say, not everything. almost. terrible.

terrible. i didn't think the people of west virginia thought like that. that's terrible. you should be ashamed of yourself. >> with all the challenges we face in america and in the world, we can't have a loose cannon in the oval office. that is a risk we cannot afford. >> several prominent conservatives have announced they'll be backing clinton in november. and her supporters are wooing big money donors from jeb bush's presidential campaign. >> so who are the conservatives? what conservatives? >> i'm not sure. >> politico reports top targets include woody johnson, bush's former finance chair. and the owner of the new york jets. >> you think woody is going to do that? >> a lot of new york money people who support hillary. i'm not sure woody johnson will. >> i don't see woody. he's mr. republican. he wouldn't do that. >> there's a network being formed. they'll snag some surprising

names. >> i'll tell you what, those will be names that will live in infamy in conservative circles for a very long time if they jump on early, like a jumped on early on jeb and then everybody consolidates later and then those people are responsible for what hillary does over four to eight years. i'm not saying -- they've got the right to do it. i don't think you want to be on that list four years from now. >> you'll lose track of the new york republican money people who sign up with her. >> go ahead, donny. >> getting frustrated. >> i am. it's friday. i'm very tired. go ahead. donny, speak. i want to hear so desperately. >> what's the message that's hillary has to have against trump? it is a single message. when you look at trump, you can either end up with -- you have to sell fear. >> martin sheen in the dead zone was awesome.

gentlemen, the missiles -- >> did you see the dead zone? he was awesome. >> chris cillizza writes hillary clinton will soon realize donald trump is very hard to run against. after i read this i'm going to catty. this prezaling wisdom following trump's emergence is that he has very little chance of beating hillary clinton in the fall election. she and her team of experienced operate ives will carve trump u like a thanksgiving turkey. clinton would do well to study the 16 republican candidates who held that same belief and watched as trump systematically destroyed them on his march to the nomination. if we learned anything about trump during the primary campaign it's this. he's very, very difficult to run against. catty kay, he's like a moving target. >> exactly what's they all found out. in the clinton campaign, they are still feeling pretty confident. they think this is the ideal

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we are back with mark halperin, donny deutsch and steve rattner. the release of the new monthly jobs report is just minutes away. hopefully we'll be getting those live on the air. first as an insurance case connected to the jerry sandusky child sex abuse case continues to make its way through the courts, new revelations out this

morning that the late penn state university football coach joe paterno knew about a sexual abuse allegation against the former assistant 40 years ago. freshly unsealed court documents reveal an insurance company's claim that in 1976 a child allegedly reported to psu's head coach joseph paterno that he was sexually molested by sandusky. the paterno family responded to the allegations in a statement that reads in part, because of a single sentence in a court record of an insurance case, joe paterno's reputation has once again been smeared with an unsubstantiated 40-year-old allegation. in response to this allegation, the subsequent media hype, the paterno family is demanding a full public review of the facts. meanwhile the university releases its own statement saying they're aware of the allegations but are precluded from discussing the matters due to confidenciality commitments.

sandusky was sentenced to serve 30 to 60 years in prison for abusing ten boys. he filed a petition early this week for a new trial. paterno died in january of 2012. he was never charged with any crimes. so we'll be following that story. we're still a few moments away from the jobs report coming out. we've had a couple of hard ones. what do you expect, steve, or what are you hoping for? what can we hope for? >> the market is hoping for 200,000 jobs. the economy is feeling a bit soft. the first quarter numbers were soft. it could come in a bit lighter, more in the 170,000 range. >> what's holding it back from being bigger? >> the whole economy has been slow. >> why aren't we growing faster? >> a mix of things. the strong dollar hurt our

exports. consumer demand has been weak. a whole bunch of different things. >> let's bring in cnbc's sara eisen. >> those numbers are a bit light for april. the economy only added 160,000 jobs during the month. as you were just discussing, economists were looking for a number more like 200,000. and more on par with the average since last fall. the 250,000. the unemployment rate stayed firm. unemployment rate at 5% which is still good. and continues to paint a picture of an improving labor market. we're not talking about recession or anything like this. we still are talking about 160,000 jobs being created in a mths. on another plus side, average hourly earnings or wages picking up. and this is something we've wanted to see. it's been one of the missing ingredients. it looks like wages grew by 0.3%. that marks a 2.5% gain from last year. we've been stuck in this range

of 2% wage gains. 2.5% is not bad. you want to continue to see the momentum picking up on that number especially as we go into the political season here. yes, a little light on the headline number but surely if you look at, for instance, the jobs market next to the overall economy which barely grew in the first quarter it has been a shining spot in the economy. that is employers continue to hire, continue to improve. though it's a little lighter than we've seen in recent months. >> cnbc's sara eisen, thanks. you were right on the money. light. >> it was light. even lighter than light. and i think it will give donald trump a little ammunition on the campaign trail to talk about america's slowing economy. at least for the moment. >> that's for sure. he'll use that in a big way. >> yeah, i think right now we're just in a very choppy place. i think as -- to steve's point, it's a little soft out there. people are cautious. consumers are cautious. but it plays into trump,

clearly. still ahead, donald trump has a message for world leaders. it's nothing personal. >> i have great respect for mexico and their leaders. i'm not holding it against mexico. i'm not holding it against china. i'm holding it against our leaders for making such horrendous deals. they're incomp tent. up next someone who may be advising him. chairman of the senate relations committees bob corker. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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paul ryan said that i inherited something very special, the republican party. wrong. i didn't inherit it. i won it with millions of voters. tone getting a little bit more -- >> yeah. >> -- spicy. >> i thought his initial response was quote/unquote very presidential and very smart. i don't think he needed to add that on. >> they are meeting next week? >> they're scheduled to meet. this hangs in the balance. ryan is not trump's kind of guy. the notion this is going to be heading toward being smooth i don't think is true. let's bring in from chattanooga, tennessee, republican senator bob corker. very good to have you on the show. >> good morning. >> good morning. you've said that you think trump's campaign is evolving. >> i do. >> are you talking to him on foreign policy? >> so i will mention that in just a second.

look. i want to give a little different narrative, if i could. you know, the -- usually in a primary like this, people lay out their positions and then they run. this has been a little backwards, and this is, to me, a three-phase process. what republican primary voters decided is who they thought could take on the status quo to put in place policy changes that would make their lives better. most people in this country are very unhappy with the direction of the country and how that's affecting their own lives. and so they nominated a person who they believe to be strong. he's irreverent, taking on the status quo. now we're entering a second phase. and it begin to me with the foreign policy speech that was given last week, but now there's this phase where the policy pieces are being fleshed out in much more detail. and the trump campaign is reaching out to people who have

expertise in certain areas and that now is evolving. to those people out there saying never this, never that, to me a much wiser place to be is to let this process play out and to get a much better sense of what this candidate is going to be espousing to deal wither nation's huge indebtedness which is our greatest threat, to deal with the economic issues which are so important. and let's face it. there's a whole class of people in our country that have had basically stagnant wages for a long, long time. and then how our nation is going to relate to the rest of the world. so that is the phase that they are in right now. and i would just say to folks, look. let this play out. engage. and then when the general election begins, people have a clear contrast hopefully, have a way to make a determination. but to be out there saying things right now, to me is not the place to be. >> i can't tell if -- go ahead.

>> go ahead. i'm sorry. >> well, and so, yes, i mean, the campaign, my last communication last night was from the campaign. they do wish to engage. and i know they're engaging many other people. and let's let this play out. let's put some meat on the bones and develop these policies and let's see where this candidate is going to end up. and that's a much healthier place, i think, for all of us to be. >> i was going to say, i can't tell if this let this play out advice is for members of the establishment in washington or members of the media, but it's probably a very good advice. mark halperin? >> senator, what's would you say donald trump should -- could do to win over people like paul ryan and to address any reservations you still have? >> yeah, so again, you know, they are reaching out to folks. obviously, reaching out to him.

they are developing much more defined policies at this point. that's the phase that they are in. look, you are talking about a candidate who is a business person who, you know, didn't go to georgetown to study foreign policy or didn't go to some economics school to necessarily study in the way that a lot of people have. he's done it himself as a business person. let's let this play out. i can't imagine why people will all of a sudden be taking positions of never this, never that and let's work with him. look. i saw in his foreign policy speech last week and a very important step forward. and what i think he's saying is that he's going to embrace foreign policy much like bush 41 did. much like people like james baker where there's a degree of realism in our foreign policy that we obviously understand how the world is. certainly i believe in american

exceptionalism. but at the same time there are limits. and i think that is a mature way for us to look at foreign policy. i do look forward to talking with them more fully about it and other issues like our indebtedness and economic growth and those kinds of things. but that's the place we should be. certainly the establishment, quote/quote, is not going to hijack this campaign. he's his own person. but to be able to give input and to develop it is an important phase for us now. the third phase will kick in after the convention. but let's work with what has occurred. we've got someone that people believe in and let's help develop those policies. >> steve? >> hi senator. steve rattner. how are you? >> how are you? >> i'm okay. >> we're both back from l.a. senator, i hear what you're saying, donald trump has taken some very specific positions on a bunch of issues. he's got a tax plan out there that would include massive tax

cuts mostly for the very wealthy. we know where he stands on immigration and those related -- all those kind of related issues. and he also know where he stands with respect to trade and tariffs and tearing up trade agreements and not entering into new trade agreements and things like that. wouldn't he have to walk back from some very specific things he's promised during the primary season nrd in order to get to a of policies that sensible people like you could support? >> look, globalization is here. i mean, every person who is deal with an iphone on a daily basis is involved in globalization. it's here. and trade pacts are there to set the rules of the road. and, obviously, there are going to be trade pacts that we're going to need to enter into. certainly as we mention china is pushing people our way and we need to figure out a way in that part of the world to more fully

engage them economically in a way that benefits americans and benefits our national security interest. and there may need to be some changes to the pact that's -- i know there are changes that need to be made. they've been pointed out. but, look, i just get the sense that this campaign is in a phase where they are more fully developing policies, and i have seen some flexibility already. "wall street journal" this morning talking about that. there's some flexibility there. sometimes when people are out running, you know, they think things are a certain way and then they get additional information and realize maybe there's a little different way of getting to the same place but let's add some nuance to it. s so again, that's where we are. i think most everyone on our side of the aisle that is asked to help in that regard is -- would be willing to do so. certainly we are. most of us in public service, steve rattner, you included.

you did a great job when you served. and we want good things to happen for our country. so we're in a place right now where we've got an opportunity to help a candidate shape, a candidate that's been in a totally difference world, and that's the phase to me that we should all fully embrace, if when this is done. when the general election begins and people are not happy, they may make other choices but let's let this play out. let's chill. let's not be making demonstrative statements about where we are until we fully see what the contrast is going to be between these two candidates. >> chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, bob corker, thank you very much. have a great weekend. >> thank you. up next, the most basic rule of medicine. above all, do no harm. so how is it that medical errors is now the third leading cause of death in the united states? that's next on "morning joe." (man) ah i forgot to record

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>> i do. >> like little plastic -- >> i've seen it on the subway. >> those little plastic cigarettes you buy. but there's nothing in them? >> well, the doctor will tell us. >> he's here. he's in. yesterday issuing new rules for the industry, the new regulations ban sales to anyone under 18. requires warnings on package labels and includes products already in the market like happened rolled cigars, hookahs and pipe tobacco. some have credited e-cigarettes with helping smokers kick the habit but there's concern over usage among the youth and lack of research on the long-term effects. joining us to talk about this and other medical issues, leading spine surgeon, author and establisher of the online health newsletter thrive, dr. dave campbell. so vaping, that's the e-cigarettes, which i -- i thought that they were a way to stop smoking. people i met who do that use it to get off smoking, no?

>> there's two things that are concerning. the reason that the fda just passed this ruling is that it's the nicotine that's the addictive part of smoking, and the concern is if you let kids vape and use these electronic cigarettes they'll become addicted to naddict ed to nuk nicotine and perhaps smoke. the british encourage the use of vaping or e-cigarettes for adults that's smoke to get them off tobacco. there's this big divide between the united states and great britain. >> it gets kids started on the behavior, which is half of it. the whole concept of it for a while had been dwindling. it's gone back. >> a lot of the celebrities. >> the long -- >> they had taken the patina of coolness off of it. >> also got into the advertising game.

raise awareness of their product. >> not a lot of long-term research on it, is there? >> there's research on tobacco and there's research on nicotine. what we know is that it's the tobacco, tar and products that they put into cigarettes. and any tobacco product that's the killer. it's not the nicotine that kills you. but if you have this unregulated dosage of nicotine in these e-cigarettes, you can't control it adequately and you'll have perhaps more children, teenagers becoming addicted to nicotine because it's cool to vape. and what's next? that's the concern. >> so frank underwood was wrong. there are consequences. >> absolutely. let's move to this study out of the great johns hopkins in baltimore about medical errors. the third leading cause of death in the u.s. i have to say, i know doctors' jobs are hard enough. they every day live and die by the potntial that something

could go wrong that is unexpected and totally unstoppable and they live and die by potentially being sued. and that's a huge issue. having said that, just across the board, this number seems really high. third leading cause of death? >> it is high. >> what's going on? >> the thesis behind this is humans err. the original study came out years ago called to err is human. we've heard that from others. the information that we know is that the systematic development of errors turning into death is concerning. it's really not the number that's critical today. we've known numbers from 70,000 to 400,000 over the last ten years. depends how you calculate it. it's concerning and cause for all doctors, hospitals and policymakers to try to rein in this problem with all ways that are available. it's also important for the people who are going to receive

health care to do their own. preventive health care. healthy lifestyles. don't smoke and the studies about obesity and here's the best study i saw this week. thin people who are of normal weight if they go to a calorie restricted diet are happier, better mood, better sleep and better libido. >> you said have more sex? >> i did say that. >> who is making the medical errors? >> across the board. the medical errors are doctors, hospitals, diagnostic errors, nurse practitioners. but it's the medical errors that come from needing medical care that has to be considered. so if you can lower your need for medical care, you will individually help yourself. >> a theory of -- 20, 40 years ago, the smartest people went

doctors. that was the top of the food chain. today, unfortunately, the smartest people, hedge funds and finance or -- it does not have the same financial or cultural status today. and i don't think we're getting our best and brightest. >> i don't think so. i think it's the way we're measuring this death rate. this study that came out was very interesting that they showed that on the death certificate, it never says you died from a medical error. you died from some disease. the problem is this new study which measures the medical error rate using some novel statistics shows that indeed a quarter million people a year. now put that in perspective. 500,000 people a year die from tobacco related diseases or almost 500,000. >> okay. and also i would think that they don't put on the death certificate medical error because that has to be litigated. >> but they're hoping that it will. and with some peer review.

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good morning. i'm steve kornacki in new york. topping the agenda, who needs who. the top republican in washington, house speaker paul ryan not ready to support donald

trump. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. and i hope to, though, and i want to, but i think what is required is that we unify this party. >> this is another sign of the steep challenge trump faces in trying to unite a party whose leadership he has been bashing for the past year. but can ryan and his fellow house republicans really afford to snub the man? their party's voters just chose as their candidate. also on the agend adjust how many defections will there be. >> we're as prepared as we've ever been. if we had the rnc of today four years ago, i think mitt romney would be president. >> new comments from republican national chairman reince priebus. he says the party will find a reason to come together in the end. but it's not just ryan who is holding out right now. one of john mccain's top allies says he's going