stay strong. stay active with boost®. good morning, everyone. you made it to friday and so did we. i am erica hill in today for tamron hall. we're coming to you live from our msnbc headquarters in new york. this morning the turmoil in the republican party reaching new levels. this after house speaker paul ryan, the most powerful republican in congress and the chairman of the gop convention, said he's not ready yet to support the party's presumptive nominee, donald trump. this morning trump called ryan's comments surprising. >> i was really surprised by it, and it's fine. he can do whatever he wants to do, it's fine, but i was surprised by it. many other people were surprised by it and some were really surprised by it and not happy about it. i will tell you, i have many endorsements from yesterday.

they're coming in left and right. he's one of the only ones that really was surprising. >> trump also revealed this morning that the two will be meeting. that's happening next wednesday, he said. meantime could we hear more from speaker ryan in the next hour? during a scheduled appearance in his hometown of janesville, wisconsin. in case you did miss it here's exactly what speaker ryan said yesterday when asked if he would support donald trump. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. and i hope to, though, and i want to, but i think what is required is that we unify this party. and i think the bulk of the burden on unifying the party will have to come from our presumptive nominee. i don't want to underplay what he accomplished. he needs to be congratulated for an enormous accomplishment. >> now, before speaking out today, trump initially responded with the following statement. quote, i am not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the american people.

they have been treated so badly for so long that it is about time for politicians to put them first. trump did not mention the speaker at a campaign rally in west virginia last night. it's his first since becoming the presumptive republican nominee. west virginia, of course, holds its primary on tuesday, next tuesday. trump did talk about, however, the system and his rivals going after his likely democratic opponent. >> it's a rigged system, but now i don't see it anymore because i won, okay. it's true. now i don't care. these guys that were on the stage and now i like them all. i love them. they're fabulous people. after you win, you like everybody, right? we can't take any more of the clinton stuff, which is another four years of barack obama. you can't take it, folks. you want to have your mines closed 100%. hillary clinton campaigning in california last night also focusing on the general election. >> donald trump actually says that wages are too high in

america. he says we shouldn't raise the minimum wage. i'd like to see him live on $7.25 an hour. >> today both hillary clinton and donald trump will be out campaigning. clinton in oakland, california, trump in nebraska and oregon. as always, we have this all covered for you with our correspondents. we're going to begin this hour with nbc's jacob rascon who's covering the trump campaign. he's made his way to omaha, nebraska. as we mentioned, the presumptive nominee will be campaigning there holding a rally ahead of the state's gop primary next tuesday. jacob, good to see you this morning. when we heard from donald trump a little bit more this morning and he was talking about paul ryan, he mentioned this meeting that is apparently set for wednesday. do we know any more in terms of details about what exactly will be discussed? >> so, he was asked exactly that this morning and he himself, trump seaid he has no idea what they'll talk about next wednesday.

one thing seems clear, with all of the promising and vowing that he is a unifier, trump is also a counterpuncher and he can't seem to resist if he feels slighted, if somebody punches him. he can't resist, it seems, to go back at them. a new tweet this morning from trump where he goes farther about ryan. he said paul ryan said that i inherited something very special, the republican party. wrong. he says i didn't inherit it, i won it with millions of votes. so he's very strong going against him. he's also had his surrogates out this morning, one of them saying, when asked, that speaker ryan should not be the speaker if he doesn't get behind him. dr. ben carson also responded, he said that he does not -- he was very disappointed is what he said. now in all of this we have this very interesting news about what donald trump tried to do yesterday at least in getting a little headway with the hispanic vote. of course we know that his unfavor abilities there are

higher than any other group with 79%. then he tweeted himself eating a taco bowl saying "i love hispanics." he defended that this morning. here's what he said. >> 59,000 retweets. 59,000 in a short period. that's like almost got to be some kind of a record. people loved it. and you know what, i'm going to do great with hispanics. i'm going to do fantastically because i'm bringing jobs back to america. hillary doesn't know what to do. >> reporter: so he is continuing on his schedule. he went to west virginia last night, he's here in omaha today and later in oregon. it will be no surprise as we talk to the folks who are first in line, six hours ahead of time for the rally, about speaker ryan, they give a thumbs down. some people say it's disgusting, they can't believe what he did. others say we don't need speaker ryan. that's the feeling you get from the trump supporters, at least the true believers. erica. >> nbc's jacob rascon on the trail for us. jacob, thank you. i want to bring in now msnbc

political correspondent kasie hunt. kasie, as we're looking at all of this, of course if we go back to march 1st, paul ryan spoke out about supporting the nominee. let's play a little bit of that sound. >> i plan to support the nominee. i think i've said enough this morning about what's happening right now, but my plan is to support the nominee. >> so at this point could this be chalked up to simple semantics, the fact that donald trump is not officially yet the nominee? >> it could be, erica, but what a difference two months makes. march 1st the republican party was still kind of clinging to the possibility that there was going to be somebody other than donald trump who ended up the nominee. make no bones about it there are plenty of people in the republican party who were hoping that was going to be the case. speaker ryan's move here very significant, gives cover to any republicans who are uncomfortable with donald trump becoming the nominee, especially lawmakers who might be in a difficult position come the fall. of course romney echoing in some

ways what his running mate in 2012, mitt romney, feels privately and privately told a dinner last night in washington, according to some reporting from conservative journalists who were in the room. romney saying he was dismayed by what's happened with trurp. so i think the question going forward is really going to be what does trump do to try to unify the party and to give comfort to some of these conservatives. if you listen to the way ryan talked both then in march and yesterday about his concerns, they're rooted in conservative policy ideology. he, of course, is somebody who comes out of this jack kemp school of the republican party, jack kemp the famous low tax congressman in the 1990s and vice presidential candidate. that's somebody who shaped paul ryan's career for sure. if you listen to how trump has framed his policy positions, i think that's really what's given a lot of people in the conservative movement pause. this tax plan he had originally put out, donald trump giving himself a little room of being

open to raising taxes on wealthy americans. that's something the republican party on capitol hill has resisted something very strongly in dealing with president obama. so i think paul ryan is looking to see what does trump do from a policy perspective. he did make some headway on foreign policy when he made that foreign policy speech in washington. that's when you heard bob corker start to come out and say, okay, i want to think about this guy. i'm potentially open to supporting him. i think frankly there are a lot of conservatives out there who need to hear more along those lines from donald trump. i also think this window between now and the convention is a place where they have a little bit more flexibility. i've talked to plenty of republicans who still say i will definitely support the nominee, but donald trump not yet the nominee. haley barbour, that elder statesman of the gop among them. he told me he does think in the end everyone will get on board. >> but we have a couple of

months before we get there. kasie hunt joining us from the newsroom. also with us today, dana mi lchlbank and here in the studio, elise jordan, former senior advisor to rand paul's campaign. as we're looking at all of this, one of the things that really seems to stick out is this back and forth about uniting the party. we heard from speaker ryan where he was saying that the bulk of this and the burden falls on donald trump. donald trump tweets out and says, well, wait a minute, i won the nomination. so, dana, to you is the onus on donald trump to get in line with the paul ryans, to get in line with the conservatives within the republican party, or is the onus on establishment republicans and conservatives to fall in line behind the person who is the presumptive nominee and who millions of americans have voted for? >> well, erica, there's certainly a lot of pressure on basically every office holder or leading figure in the republican party right now to step into line. now, they're facing more than

the usual political judgment. they're also sort of facing a moral judgment. a lot of them need to go back against things they said previously about donald trump. so a lot of them are going to be wrestling with it. i'm actually surprised the extent to which a large number of people have already fallen in line. you're not hearing other than from people like senator sasse, you're not hearing about a third party movement. i think that was brave of what speaker ryan did. he hadn't been so bold previously. but i suspect he too will be under enormous pressure to fall in line. it doesn't mean all republicans will support trump, but at least if they're going to oppose him, they're learning they're going to have to do it quietly. >> you mentioned a lot of them are happy to go back. in the grand scheme of politics, politicians going back on things, this is not exactly new territory, i think we can all agree on that front. as you look at this now, and we look at this fractured party, who best represents republicans today? does anyone?

>> well, i think that to be honest, paul ryan still does represent the classic constitutional originalist conservative republican, and he's actually putting out policy ideas that trump isn't. i think that he's showing a lot of moral leadership here. i wrote earlier this week about how i think it is disgusting the way that people are choosing power over principle and just falling in line with donald trump and they're normalizing this behavior that he has been exhibiting, the xenophobia, the misogyny, all of the things that he's done that have been so wrong this campaign and the kind of america we don't want our children growing up in. >> there are plenty of people that support him and that's what people keep coming back to. paul ryan best represents the traditional conservative republicans, but is the republican party itself still filled with a majority of those people? >> i think we're really going to see a fracturing of the party right now. just anecdotally, i'd say 25% of the republicans i know are absolutely never going to vote

for donald trump. that's a lot. six months before an election when his unfavorables are already very high. how is he going to keep that 75% of normal republican voters. >> and when we look at that, dana, and we look at that 25%, when we talk about these never trump voters, we're also hearing about as much as there are people now sort of falling in line, whether it may be quietly, there are also some very prominent voices who are saying, look, i am not going to be part of this. you look at four of the last five republican nominees saying we are not going to be at the convention. how important is that, especially so quickly? you know, he becomes the presumptive nominee and all of a sudden we're hearing that this convention that's months out not going to be there. >> and it's notable that the people like both of the bushes, like mitt romney, are better at resisting the pressure from the trump folks because they're not facing the voters so they can afford to take that sort of amoral position, putting principle above politics.

you have to put this in the perspective of, okay, so trump got roughly 38% of the republican primary vote. that's still a very small sliver of the overall electorate. so republicans can take the position that he doesn't necessarily -- he certainly doesn't have the support of a majority of republicans in this country. so i can understand that they're in a very difficult situation politically, but sometimes things are more important than politics when you see somebody running a demagoguic campaign on the basis of racial and ethnic scapegoating. it does sort of change the calculation. so again, if they're going to knuckle under, i expect a lot of them will, but they're going to be awfully squeamish about it. >> we only have probably 90 seconds left but i'd like you to split it. elise, i'll start with you. what do you expect we'll hear after this meeting on wednesday? what would you like to hear? >> i'd like to hear a subdued trump and i think that's impossible. i fundamentally don't think he

can change his character so it's going to be on paul ryan now to see if he can hold the loin. from what he's done -- i think he's going to do the right thing and that's what the republican party needs is leaders to step up and do the right thing. >> dana, what are you expecting? >> i was surprised that he was as strong as he was just now. he's going to be facing enormous pressure. i suspect ultimately he's going to have to do what his party nominee wants him to do. >> and i would imagine too and correct me if i'm wrong but part of that pressure is what if he falls in line behind donald trump, donald trump doesn't win and there he is still as the speaker of the house. legitimate concern, right? >> well, exactly. and then republicans own all these things that donald trump is and that destroys them in the long term demographically. you know, this is a time bomb for the republican party. >> it will give us lots to talk about over the next couple of months, won't it. dana milbank, elise jordan, appreciate you both being with us. a promising note for you, in

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hillary clinton continues her campaign swing through california with a rally in northern california. he's headed to oakland later today. this follows a tough reception yesterday in east los angeles where she was met by hundreds of protesters, many of them immigration activists and sanders supporters. clinton was also interrupted by protesters inside the event. she wrapped up her speech after just 13 minutes. in that speech clinton made no mention of bernie sanders, instead focusing on donald trump and his rhetoric on immigration.

>> donald trump doubled down on his plan to create a deportation force to round up millions of people. that's actually what he said. the best way to prevent that from happening is to make sure he never gets near the white house. bernie sanders, meantime, is taking a rare day off the campaign trail as he prepares for tuesday's west virginia primary. alex seitz-wald is covering the democratic race for us. alex, let's start with that clinton rally last night. walk us through what happened there. >> hillary clinton went to east l.a., a heavily hispanic area, it was cinco de mayo. she was going to talk about immigration, there was a mariachi band onsite but she was met by hundreds of protesters outside and some made their way inside the event. she cut her speech short and

only spoke for 13 minutes. she typically speaks for 25. they were protesting her on immigration, on black lives matter, on a host of issues. some of them even held bernie sanders signs. we know hillary clinton does much better typically with latino voters, but among young latino voters bernie sanders has done well there. this is not at all typical for hillary clinton. she's been interrupted on the campaign trail, but usually these interruptions last only a couple of minutes before the protesters are escorted out. but to see a large presence of protesters like this and a sustained interruption that forces her to cut her speech short, that is something that is really not typical for clinton at all. >> definitely a change. separately, i'm fascinated by this political article which talks about hillary clinton supporters now reaching out to jeb bush's former donors. it's a fascinating turn of events. how is that actually working out? >> this is a very delicate moment for both parties, but especially for the republican party. before they have really rallied

around donald trump and a lot of dissent there, especially in the kind of elite donor class. so clinton's campaign is trying to take advantage of that, trying to reach out to people who are turned off by donald trump, including some people who might have donated to jeb bush and saying, you know, look, you may not agree with us, you may not like hillary clinton, but who do you want in the oval office with their proverbial finger on the proverbial nuclear weapons button. and i think they might find some reception here. we've already seen a number of conservative writers, even some elected officials say they won't support donald trump and some of them saying they'll support hillary clinton. just the other day charles koch, the billionaire conservative donor who's given untold hundreds of millions of dollars said he might support hillary clinton over donald trump. so if they can bring a few of these people on board, they don't necessarily need the votes or the money but it's important

val validaters for them and can drive a wedge between trump and some of the party in november. >> you say they may not need those votes or numbers but hillary clinton is fighting this fight on two fronts. she is not the nominee. bernie sanders is still there, he's not giving up. they both are out campaigning because there are a couple of contests left and donald trump has one single focus and that's the democrats and he is going after hillary clinton. i would imagine that any influx of cash and any vote could frankly play to their favor, but how publicly do you think that support would be seen? >> right. it's a tricky issue for her because as you say, she does have to deal with bernie sanders. that primary is still going on for the next five weeks at least, kind of her schedule will be dictated by that. that's why she's in california. but she also needs to focus on donald trump. so she can't make too direct of an outreach to these moderate republicans who might be turned off by trump because it may turn

off these bernie sanders who don't trust clinton to be a liberal. if they see her courting wall street donors for jeb bush, that's not going to be good. if she wraps up the nomination officially, she can make a more direct appeal to those people. >> alex seitz-wald, appreciate you being with us. thank you. as we mentioned, bernie sanders not on the trail today. maybe that's because he's getting ready for this tonight. rachel maddow will interview bernie sanders tonight right here only on msnbc at 9:00 p.m. eastern. still to come, the koch political report is out. now do solid red states look less likely to vote republican and which toss-up states could now lean democrat. ♪

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what's in your wallet? welcome back. the american economy is one of the focal points of this presidential campaign as is the state of american manufacturing. it's with this in mind that we continue to our continues series, "born in the usa" where we put a spotlight on american businesses. today we feature a company that's committed itself to manufacturing right here in the u.s. they make hoodies with an inflatable insert so you could turn the hood into a pillow. tamron recently spoke with company founder josh whittle and asked him about what "made in the usa" means to him. >> josh, thanks so much for your time. >> hi, tamron. how are you? it's great to be here. >> it's good to see you. i see you have your hoodie on and we'll talk a lot about it in a second. i do want to highlight something that really stood out to me. in manufacturing that hoodie and the others, you used local contractors. you focused very heavily on

keeping the business special here in the u.s. >> yes. that's correct, tamron. it was very important for us when we started out to keep things here in america. and i think los angeles is a really particular place right now for textile manufacturing. there's a lot of infrastructure in place and a lot of contractors that are available. so it made it easier for us. >> and when you launched into this, first of all, with what i think is a fantastic idea as a person who travels a lot, you didn't necessarily have the capital so you went about it in the way a lot of upstarts are, you look at raising the funds. you looked for people that would believe in a great idea. >> we did. we went about it in an unconventional way. we actually raised the funds through kickstarter. i had this idea about two years ago. i was on the way to the airport with my brother and he would

always mention that he always wished that he had a pillow inside of his hood. and so it took a little bit of time researching the various products on the market and after a long time of consideration, we started to move towards it. >> going back to as you pointed out los angeles, a lot of people again believe that if you make something in the united states, if you make it in a big city like los angeles, that means you would have to charge the consumer way more. but that's not the case here. how have you been able to avoid the idea of that sweatshirt, this functional and fashionable item not costing us an arm and a leg. >> not necessarily. i think efficiency is key. i think that you can make products here in america and you don't necessarily have to charge more. i think it's about making the processes efficient and maximizing potential out of your team. i think that we want to serve as an example that american

manufacturing particularly in textiles can work. >> before i let you go, of course, i've got to see the hoodie in action. >> oh, you've got to see it in action? >> yes, let me see what you've got. >> well, this is the hoodie. it has a blow-up nozzle right here. undo it. >> i know i'm catching you off guard so it won't be the most delicate-looking thing here. all right, here we go. >> blow it up. >> there you have it. lean back. >> and you're in action. >> i love it. well, congratulations to you. >> yes. >> and that is proof that if you find something that's functional, there is a market out there and there are always people who are willing to believe in a good idea. >> i'm like tamron, i travel a lot. i might have to try it out. coming up, arizona senator john mccain worrying donald trump could damage his

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this morning our nbc news political team is out with its first look at how the general election battleground map is shaping up. this is based on current polling, the results of the 2012 race and also different demographic factors. already it doesn't look so hot for the republicans, but based on this map, that means democrats are going into the summer with an advantage in electoral votes, 253-190. some states previously considered to be battleground states, places like new mexico, now leaning more toward the democrats simply because of the hispanic population. other maps paint an even more ominous picture for the gop. all of this is trickling down

and there's a major concern about whether it could spell bad news for the senate and house republicans in those states whose names will appear on the ballot below presumptive republican nominee donald trump. here to walk us through some of that, harry anton and dave wasserman. good to have both of you with us. as we look at this, there's also some -- a new november electoral college rankings that you put together in light of the trump name nation. i wonder if we could bring that up before we start to talk about it. we've got florida, colorado, pennsylvania and wisconsin. these are traditionally toss-up states now leaning for the democrats. solid red states like indiana, missouri, nebraska, no longer solid and arizona just sort of leaning red. dave, was any of this surprising to you as you were putting together this new map? >> well, if you have a lead in national polling of the kind that hillary clinton does, these states are not toss-up states

anymore. if you have as high unfavorability with latinos and african-americans as donald trump has, you're not going to be able to win colorado or virginia in this kind of climate. i really think this race will come down to five states. that's florida, ohio, pennsylvania, new hampshire and iowa. and donald trump needs a majority of those to win. >> needs a majority of those to win. we are, of course, a few months out at this point. we don't even technically have a democratic nominee yet. how much of this do you think any of this could shift the next couple of months? >> it could shift. 1988, michael dukakis held a large lead and george herbert walker bush walked all over him in the fall. but donald trump has strong unfavorable ratings, north of 50%, well higher than anybody ever had. if you look at that and people already have a strong opinion of him. you can't look at that map and say anything but donald trump is anything but a heavy underdog heading into the fall. >> i know you've made a case about how democrats could shape the election, you talk

specifically about the voter base and who is coming over to the democratic side. democrats bringing in more people while this traditional republican voting base of white men is sort of, you know, not there where it used to be. but how do you factor in the trump voters, for example. all of these people who have come out now. some people we're hearing haven't voted ever or in a number of election cycles. how do you factor them in? >> a lot of republicans point to the case of the missing white voter. they think that a lot of white conservatives did not show up in 2012. you know, it's true in some of the less competitive states, we did notice a white dropoff but we didn't notice it as much in some of the swing states like pennsylvania and ohio that are critical in the electoral college. while it's true that donald trump could activate some voters that haven't participated in those states, he's probably going to lose two votes for every persuadable voter who could have voted for someone like marco rubio who's now going to vote for hillary clinton in, for example, the philadelphia suburbs. >> there's a major focus on

these down ballot races. we have 24 senate seats up for grabs. to gain control, democrats only need to flip four seats. john mccain is worried because he's up for re-election. how many of those do you see flipping? >> i mean they only need four if hillary clinton becomes the president of the united states. and that's easy. i could do it right now. but then john mccain is in this whole other category, this second tier. you look at states like arizona, iowa, north carolina, missouri. these are states that really shouldn't be all that competitive but they could get them -- the democrats could get them easily. >> there's also on the other side, there's a big push and a lot of talk, maybe not all of it out in public but definitely behind closed doors about republicans rallying around those races and that they could in fact come out in droves even if they are not for trump, they will come out and many of them will support financially these down ballot races to make sure that doesn't happen. >> that's what they're trying to do. they're trying to make sure that they can't invade our castle,

hold on to our majorities. that's why you're hearing john mccain saying behind closed doors i'm really worried about high latino turnout. that's why you're seeing someone like paul ryan saying i'm not ready to support the republican nominee because they're so afraid trump could be such poison for them down ballot. >> is paul ryan playing that well to set republicans up for november, especially in the down ballot races? >> a lot depends on how the presidential outcome is looking. if it looks like a hillary landslide in november, then i think you will see more down ballot republicans benefit because there will be a checks and balances arguments on the table. if the presidential race is looking really close, republicans could actually suffer down ticket because you do have a high era of straight ticket voting. i have a long list of republicans in the house who could be in for surprisingly close races if we do have hillary up nationally by five points. >> it is going to give us plenty to handicap and parse through the next few months. good to have both of you with

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is now being smeared. joining us is ari melber. give us a better sense. what are the exact allegations and what do we know more this morning. >> you used the key word, allegations. we don't have new facts in this case, but we do have these very interesting allegations. so let me walk through what they're alleging and the timeline. in 1976, this child allegedly reported molestation to joe paterno. in 1977 and 1978 you had assistant coaches that witnessed inappropriate or sexual conduct and that same year, '88, you had molestation referred to the athletic director. all of that matters because you may remember as so many viewers do when this all broke, well, if it was this bad how could it be this new? why wouldn't there be more reports and information earlier, and that always in a case like this, when you think about preying on children, it's one of the worst types of violent crimes, you'd want the institutions, the management in charge, to deal with it if there were reports. now, what is this all about?

it's about, of course, the settlements that did come about. jerry sandusky was given 30 to 60 years in prison. then there are related civil suits. you had $92 million in 32 claims with six more alleged or asserted victims. so what you have is here a fight over who should pay for these settlements already agreed. the other point i want to make as i stress what we don't know, is this is coming from an insurance company that is making arguments about who should pay and thus dredging up different reports okay, to say this is why someone should pay less or more. in other words, there are people on the other side of it who want to save money that would disabuse these reports or say they weren't necessarily probative. that's something lawyers say when they say someone said something but at the time was it provable, was it known or did they run down the lead and find it? it wasn't true. so all of this is somewhat sadly a fight over money but it's important money because it is

money who is going to people who we do know were victims. >> which is the important thing. what's also interesting is all of this is happening as sandusky is in the middle of a legal battle in his criminal case, right? >> he's in a criminal appeal but he's in jail. so he was there in his orange jumpsuit showing up for what he says are underlying problems in his case. i wouldn't ever handicap appeals as much as a lawyer because anything can happen. i would tell you, though, based on what happened in the lower court and the voluminous information about the crimes he's convicted of, he is one of the last people i would ever expect to get out on appeal. >> it's just crazy on so many levels. appreciate you breaking it down for us. thank you. new this morning, a spacex rocket nailed its landing on a floating barge. it all happened in the middle of the night to make it that much more difficult. several previous attempts had erupted in flames, so we'll take a look at what today's success

says for the future of space travel. we'll do that next with renowned astronom astronomer, derrick pitts.

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this is a big day for the space ex, it successfully launch the falcon 9 earlier. sending japanese communication satellite into orbits. the real challenge is still to come. that's landing. the comings is doubtful about today's landing. the rocket is coming in faster than the previous ones. falcon 9 landed right on target. here is derek joining us live from philadelphia to discuss all the excitement. your reactions to this landing, what did you think when you saw

it? >> it was the most exciting thing i have seen since the last time. it landed right on target and it was so stable. that's really the wonderful part that it seems like they have figured out all of the things they need to understand of the dynamics coming back from the atmosphere and heading for the tiny target and being able to set down on an up right without any problem at all. >> put that in perspective for us, what does it mean now? >> where can that bring us next? >> well, the significance is for the last 60 years we have been throwing boosters away. then they're lost to us.

that's a huge expense that gets thrown away after use. the significance of this is being able to accomplish that landing repeatedly means that they can now take that booster and refurbiushrefurbish that bo reuse it again. the more they can do this, the cheaper the access is. that's simply means that there are more access to lower it. that expands our ability to get into space and do more things at space. >> what about space travel? >> well, that's a big case. part of it is that we have to be able to get the equipment we need into lower orbits so we can turn it into the spacecraft we need to do deep solar system exploration, by driving down tp cost, we can put those components in earth orbits.

either way we do it, we are still going to have humans and supplies off the surface, as long as we can drive that cost down, it is going to make space that much more assessable and space travel come much more quickly. >> he's not the only one in this race especially when it comes to things to travel. we have virgin galactic. how are the three of them, they are obviously pushing each others, how is that helping the people who want to eventually be some of their passengers? >> well, what they're seeing is that, the development of this space x and this capability and they're seeing how everybody is going through the steps and being able to develop a successful system that'll operate. what it is showing them is the

future is coming and that space is coming more assessable to the everyday person. now, i know that's a long reach to say because the cost goes into space with the virgin galactic space is up to $200,000. not many people have that kind of money to do that trip. >> as long as the blue margin and evon musk and virgin galacitc are building the infrastructure. >> so getting into space orbit is one thing and then there is mars. there is this increase in interest special of the movie,

where do we stand in on that on the landing into mars? >> in fact, the ultimate goal is to set economies on mars. he's developing the capability and infrastructure as well to take humans to mars. he announced that he wants to get this started in two years. now, if we look at the national space agency to do this of what nasa is planning, nasa does not have a plan to get people to mars until 2030s or later. here we are looking at an advance capability that's going to cut that time in half. so we may see people in mars by the early 2020. >> derek pitts, a lot to be excited about on this friday morning. thank you for coming into talk with us to. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks for all of you joining us at this hour for msnbc, up

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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," who's the boss? paul ryan said he's not ready to endorse. >> i am not there right now and i hope to though and i want to. we unify this party. >> you talk about unity but what is this about unity? millions of people coming into the party obviously, i am saying the right in