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mansion. >> it literally had 200 plus candidates. that's the only name people recognize. >> people are concerned. republicans are concerned this will leave a lasting negative impression of the republican party with hispanics. >> i got to leave it there. thank you. i'll be back monday. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." scheduled to appear, mr. donald trump. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> i'm john heilemann. you've been digging yourself out of so many situations, it's about time do you wore the proper gear.o you wore the propr gear. you wore the proper gear.you wore the proper gear. we've got some not so miner,
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miner news today. the republican party is still in recovery mode after house speaker paul ryan shocked the argyle socks off the political world and said he's not ready to support donald j. trump, billionaire. we read you trump's initial statement. this morning donald trump call into the fox news network. >> i was really surprised by it. it's fine. he can do whatever he wants to do. it's fine. i was surprised by it. many other people were surprised by it and some were really surprised by it and not happy. i'll tell you i have many endorsements from yesterday. they're coming in left and right. he's one of the only ones that really was surprising. >> was there more? there was more. trump also used his favorite social media microphone to depend himself and deride the house speaker. he said i inherited something
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special. wrong. i didn't inherit it. i won it by millions of voters. he said even more when his national spokeswoman went on cnn and had tough words for ryan if he doesn't change his mind. >> if the republican speaker of the house does not come around to supporting the republican nominee, do you think that paul ryan is still fit to be speaker? >> no because this is about the party. you have to understand, the last two presidential cycles, we were told john mccain was a conservative. his conservative review score card is 37%. we were told mitt romney was a conservative. he was pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage. we were told to hold our noses and vote for the sake of the party. these same people are now telling us that because they're guy didn't win, they want to hurt the party. we are a party. paul ryan needs to be -- he's the leader now. we're told donald trump is only
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the presumptive nominee. he's not the nominee until 1237. it's incumbent among paul ryan to bring unity. >> we're a party too. the speaker's office put out a statement saying they will meet on thursday to try to smooth things over. more leading republicans have taken sides over whether or not to back trump during the past 24 hours. dick cheney said he won't vote. bush said he won't vote in november. let us come back to the core issue here. the particular of trump versus ryan. who do you reckon is likely to blink first in this stand off of stand offs? >> i think that trump might blink first but i think priebus is well positioned to try to smooth this over. the ties between the r thrnc an trump campaign is growing
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stronger. they are making progress in the fund raising front. i think priebus will appeal to his friend paul ryan. when and if ryan does endorse, it will be more powerful now. he may say i asked trump to get better, he did. i don't think this is a minor thing. i think ryan is uncomfortable with trump on many levels. we'll see how the meeting next week goes. i'm not sure this will be smooth as some people are predicting. >> i have zero doubt about the answer to this question. if anybody blinks, if anybody blinks, it's going to be donald trump. you can see it. last night that response, he seemed to be impetuos in firing back. the ways he's decided to go after people in the past -- >> did i mention lying ryan? >> that was restrained. the stuff today was been restrained. katrina pearson went out. >> she sometimes does that.
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>> i think he wants to pivot on some of these issues that ryan cares about. if he's going to be blinking, i think it's on his side. >> i agree. >> i think that's where it's going to come if there's blinking. it may not be blinking. >> if you think about how much resistance to donald trump, by the end of this week he's in a surprising position. didn't get the bushes, ryan and not getting jeb bush. but got dick chaney. got some members of congress. didn't get the governor of illinois. it's a mixed bag. here's the key to me. trump has to prove he can win a general election. they have reservations about trump's behavior, policy positions. some have reservations about what kind of president he will be. if he looks like he can beat hillary clinton, that's going to get a lot of people on board. >> there's still a powerful thing here. the end of the week has come. the speaker of the house, the last republican nominee, the
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previous nominee to that. the last two sitting republican presidents. none of them are for trump. not one. that overshadows everything else. those are the biggest names. chaney is whatever. >> donald trump is an independent who is running -- who ran as a republican and a lot of moderate positions. >> he says he wants to unify the party. >> he wants to unify the party on his terms. >> that's not going so well. >> he's smashed the establishment. he's criticized the bushes. he's behaved in the way that no republican nominee of our lifetime has behaved. i agree this week hasn't gone perfectly for him. he's gotten support for many establishment figures. he still may get paul ryan. >> it's huge for trump. if his goal is unify, and that's what he says it is, he's not achieved very much this week. >> he doesn't need total unity. >> these are the biggest figures in the republican party. >> if you want to change
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washington and be a different candidate, you're not going to get everybody. >> he should stop talking about unity. >> unify as much as possible. not getting ryan is a big deal. i think he will be hard to get. >> thank you for agreeing with me. >> on that one point. >> most important point. >> coming up, congressman of new york. first, a quick word from our sponsors.
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i just want to emphasize the degree of which we are in serious times and this is really serious job. this is not entertainment. this is not a reality show. this is a contest for the presidency of the united states, and what that means is that every candidate, every nominee needs to be subject to exacting
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standards and genuine scrutiny. >> that was president obama earlier today talking about donald trump at the white house. joining us is someone who doesn't care for the remaining presidential candidates and he's calling for a third party alternative. bill crystal is in our washington bureau. thank you for joining us today. >> thanks, mark. >> what separates republicans from dick chaney and republicans like you? >> i guess just a different judgment of whether he has the temperament and character to be president of the united states. i don't think any of these issues is a show stopper. we're all used to if you have to vote for one of two presidential candidates compromising on issues that one cares about. it's choosing the lesser of two evils.
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>> bill, i'm not trying to pick a fight. i'm just using you two as examples. i'm confused from a human level. you have great, i think great respect for dick chaney's judgment. is that really it? you're looking at the data. chaney says this guy has the character to be president and you say he doesn't. how could that be you'd reach a different conclusion in you'd be inclined to endorse the republican nominee? >> i don't know. we have to have dick chaney on and have a civilized debate about this. i would say elected officials, former elected officials like dick chaney lean more heavily or presumptively likely to endorse the nominee of their party. people they knew privately were
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not really great but they supported this person running for congress or that person even for president. i'm out of it. i don't expect to be lekk lecte anything. i think you guys captured it early. i've had the same mental back and forth myself. should one be surprised that bush, the most recent republican nominee aren't supporting the nominee. as john was saying, on the other hand, or maybe john was saying that. was saying that can -- i can't see you. just the audios. it's correctly saying on the other hand he's picked up an awful lot of people down through a range of senators and others.
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is it impressive that you have a nominee who doesn't have the support of the speaker of the house which is pretty amazing, i would say. we'll see how this plays out. >> when you think about donald trump's temperament that's disqualified in your view, ha is the piece of evidence that you most seize on. a guy should not sit in the oval office. you embrace the endorsement of a rapist and you don't say that was horrible and i didn't mean, i think of them as a heavy
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weight champion. i deplore that. he doesn't say that. he says i like toughness p. on the day of the indiana primary, he spins this conspiracy story from the national inquirer which is they put in about ted cruz' father complicit in the assassination of a president of the the united states. donald trump says it could be true. that level of just willful regard of all facts. for me the one thing if you asked me what i wake up at 6:00 in the morning. it was the mocking of the disabled new york times reporter, which is such a humanly ghuman ly grotesque thing to do.
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he's a congressman. what damage will he do. >> i say this not as a question but as a punctuation. the person you described is dick chaney. this new idea of stopping trump and stopping hillary clinton by finding someone who can win six states big enough to keep them from getting 270 electoral votes. we've been playing with the map and it seems doable. if you could pick anybody in the country to do that, leaving aside they'd be willing who is constitutionally eligible, who is one that can pull that off with the right money? >> i think someone like the
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person i did have persons with, jim maddox who would have run an impressive campaign. he's more liberal than i am on a bunch of issues. it's on a long shot, obviously that the independent candidate takes off some. there's a debate. a lot of voters see them together in october. they would have to be -- >> madison. we have 20 seconds. name somebody that could do it, who might do it. is there anybody? >> ben sass or mitt romney. i think he's thinking about it seriously or he could be ben sass' chairman. up next, the king and us will talk to peter king. stay tuned. we'll be right back.
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i know you've been critical of him in the past on a variety of issues, but now you say you will support him. explain how that can be. >> i said i would support the nominee of the party. he will be the nominee so i will endorse him and vote for him. i'm not trying to make a cute distinction for him, but i will not be campaigning for him. he's got to make a more coherent foreign policy, national security policy, trade policy and try to tie together the incon ssistencies in his overal policy. i believe the two-party system. i expect or hope to be back in congress next year. i want to play a role in what's happening within the republican party. i think we are at some sort of a defining moment. less this is a one off abh aberration, this could be a real turning point in the party.
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every key issue, donald trump is differing from what had been the accepted republican policies for the last 50 or 60 years on defense, trade and the whole issue of being more receptive to other people. >> i know you're saying he's deviating. you said he need a more coherent foreign policy, trade policy. are you saying they're incoherent? >> i am. he's talking about how china will be our main add vversary. he's talking about withdrawing our troops from korea, japan. even the way he ridicules the tpp, the transpacific partnership. one of the main purposes was to strengthen our position vis a vis china so they can't be picking off these asian
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countries. he has to show how he's talking about some form of withdrawal from the middle east saying that the u.s. is not going to be a policeman. the same time we have to protect christians all over the middle east. these are inconsistent, incoherent policies. >> in are a hillary clinton-donald trump election, who would be the favorite to win and why? >> right now i would say hillary clinton is the favorite. going back to last summer, marco rubio or jeb bush would have been the favorite. donald trump is defied all the rules of gravity, all the rules of politics. right now i would not be surprised to see donald trump make a very good race or beat her. he's going to come out very -- >> why does she have to be the favorite? what makes her the favorite right now? >> the fact that donald trump's
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infavorables are high. the fact she has a pretty much united party. i know some of the bernie sanders people will leave her but the organization of democrats will be with her. she has the whole government in exile that the clintons had over the years out there working for her. she there are many more democrats than republicans. they have the large voting blocks coming for them whether it's the african-american vote or the hispanic vote which the republicans don't have. where trump can cut into that is by going for the reagan democrats. that's why it's going to be very significant. >> congressman, speaker ryan said, like you did, he would support the republican nominee. there's now a defacto nominee. you said you would do that. why shouldn't we take congressman's ryan position as going back on his word. >> i'd say paul ryan was
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expecting to be resolved at the convention. as the speaker of the house, he's defacto leader of congressional republicans. he wants to ensure that republicans keep the majority in the house. he wants to make sure that donald trump realizes there's a number of house republicans who have serious differences with him. again, i haven't spoken to paul. i'm assuming these are his reasons. he wants to protect them but paul believes very strongly in a national defense. he believes strongly in free trade. he wants to find way to get donald trump to make some accommodation with that as we go forward. >> congressman, you just talked about one of the things that paul ryan seems to be doing which is try to give some cover to some of your colleagues in the house. you're pretty well in tump with some of your colleagues on the republican side. how many of your colleagues will want to take that cover that paul ryan is offering and not do
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what you're doing but try to keep their distance from donald trump. i would say a good 30 or 40 would have serious issues with donald trump politically and they would be the more moderate type republicans. on the other hand, you have some strong conservatives who feel that donald trump is not a conservative. i would say paul has to look out for both wings of the party. >> it's friday. give me three adjectives you would use today to describe donald trump. >> unusual, flamboyant and enigma. >> three to describe hillary clinton. >> determined, strong and
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insecure which maybe undermines strong. insecure because she's not going to be sure whether trump is coming from. >> good for trump or bad for trump with dick chaney's endorsement? >> it's good for him. any republican he can get to endorse him is good. i can't imagine two more different people in my life than dick chaney and donald trump. forgetting the politics, just the type of people they are. two different worlds. >> you suggested that donald trump, this moment is a crisis for the republican party. how serious is that crisis. is this the kind of crisis that could be existenial crisis. >> i never want go away from a two-pear system. no matter who the candidates
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were whether goldwater or rockerfeller. there was much more that was agreed upon than agreed upon now. on donald trump's key issues, these are totally at odds with what the republican party position has been. i know they use the term establishment, these are well thought out policies. we're going to change from. we have to analyze it carefully and look at it. i don't want us to become an isolationist party. i don't want to put ourselves in a position where we have the same foreign policies as barack obama where we're disguising it as america first. >> peter king, have a great weekend. thank you for being with us. always a pleasure to see you. when we come back, donald trump's d.c. summit next week and more after this quick break. , so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative miralax.
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by trump that he recognizes a day that was important to the hispanic community. >> do you think he could be more sensitive to not stereotyping different ethnic groups. >> i don't think he was stereotyping. it was a holiday for the hispanic community and i thought he thought it was in the spirit of holiday. >> that was paul manafort talking about his boss' much commented upon taco bowl tweet that's been massively retweeted. several outlets reporting that hillary clinton is going to be interviewed by the fbi in the coming weeks. no dates has been set.
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>> i think it's telling in a way that -- we joked yesterday it was like a bumbled kind of latino outreach effort. i think that's how he meant it. i think he's trying. it's so ham handed and demeaning in some ways. it's so off key that it's resonant in a way. i think trump does so many controversial things that six months from now it will be a footnote. it's off a piece of certain things trump has done which is why it's not just a little gaffe. it has some broader resonance. >> the trump's campaign to do list is massive. get ready for the general, pick a running mate, debate prep. hispanic outreach has to be a priority one of the rcriticisms of the romney campaign is they never
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got a hispanic outreach running. it will be fascinating the way trump things he can use social media to improve his chances. >> mitt romney could have. the criticism is valid. he could have. he could have focused on it. try to figure out how to get out the box he put himself in. the problem for trump, who is the hispanic politician, the hispanic business leader. who is the hispanic that would be the face of that effort? there may be one. i just don't know who that may be. even if he wants to focus on it, who would be the marquee players in that among hispanic-american republicans. i don't know who those people would be. >> joining us from the art deco palace down the street. what would you say was the highlight and the low light for the trump campaign this week as
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the weekends? >> this week, well you were talking about the taco bowl. i think that could be considered this many corners the low liegts of the campaign's week so far. if you're going to play devil's a advocate, the highlight could be his response to paul ryan and the campaign manager's response to paul ryan. donald trump said he doesn't endorse ryan. that's him embracing his outsider status. i asked corey what he thought of the speaker's words and he pointed to his boss standing on the stage under these bright lights, captivating the attention of about 10,000 people who were at the west virginia rally last night and he pointed and said that's the leader of republican party. in some ways, that can be considered, i know it's probably not a popular opinion in washington but by the voters, a
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highlight of this campaign that he's embrace them instead of embracing the political elite. >> i want to play a little sound right now of donald trump talking just a couple of moments ago about paul ryan in omaha, nebraska. >> paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know. he called me two, three weeks ago. it was a very nice conversation. he was con garage lating me. -- congratulating me. i've had so many endorsements. bob doyle came in. dick chaney came in. many congressmen came in. many senators come in. we've had tremendous endorsements from a lot of people. >> do you think as the big story will be their meeting.
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will he attack paul ryan. he seems relatively measured to me. he's not really attacking ryan. he's more like expressing befuddlement which expresses he wants it. >> i don't think he's necessarily going to try to provoke paul ryan anymore. he does need the republican establishment to unify behind him. he needs to find way to make amends with the republican establishment and convince not just the other politicians but fund raisers to come out and fund raise for him and give him money. he's not going to win unless he's going to be able to go up against her with a real money backing him on his side and ads
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against her and the various things that campaigns have in place in order to take out a com competitor. >> i'm told by sources that the ryan team did not call donald trump's team. kind of extraordinary at this phase that they wouldn't have given a heads up. >> i don't think there's much relationship there, if you will. i think paul manafort behind the scenes are trying to reach out. they're trying to reach out to the folks in washington but donald trump is waiting for them to call him. when ever i've asked who have you spoken with, who does donald trump talk to. he said he's open to talking to anybody. my sense is the campaign is waiting for these republican
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leaders, these politicians to come out and reach out to him and without doing that, there isn't much interaction between the campaign. i could be wrong, but that's my sense of things. i know they're trying to smooth things over. they're going through the rnc a lot. they are trying to smooth things over with those on capitol hill. i think it's very telling that the only real emphatic endorsement from a senator has been jeff sessions and the rest of them have said they would endorse the republican nominee or they haven't endorsed at all like lindsey graham, but nobody was expecting lindsey graham to endorse trump after this entire campaign so far. >> thank you. coming up, the down ballot down low when trump has the nominee, how vulnerable are republican house candidates all over america? we'll talk to you about ♪ ♪
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closely and scientifically such things. we wanted to focus on the house races. we called in a couple of experts. david wasserman and our bloomberg colleague jennifer jacobs. they join us looking like twin, sort of siblings, identical glasses. david, let's talk about the house. give us a sense of what the house battleground looks like. >> sure. republicans have 247. 188 is the largest majority. democrats would need to pick up 30 seats. democrats picked up 37 seats in 1964 when barry goldwater was on the ticket. that's what they're hoping for is a repeat of that. it's a lot better these days. the first 15 seats that democrats need to get to 30 are easy. the next 15 seats are really hard. what i'm going to be watching is
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how many of 26 republicans that sit in districts that obama carried in 2012, are going to refuse to endorse trump. >> jennifer, what's your early read? obviously, paul ryan is more than bellwether but what's your early read which is how will the house members behave now? >> i know that some of the house members are concerned about the trump effect. i talked to the head of anti-trump super pac make america awesome. she said they haven't been doing much lately and might shift gears away from fighting trump because some of her consultants have gotten calls from their house client say you have to help me because trump is dragging me down in my house district. this super pac is kind of possibly disbanding because people need their help elsewhere. could there be a big wave? unlikely. i do know there are districts that are very concerned about
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this. there are place where is they are worried about paul ryan is taking it seriously. i did talk to some of his allies today. they said he's done fund raisers in almost every competitive district. he's raised 3.7 million in the first quarter of 2016 for his house members. they really are taking it seriously. >> talk about some of the most endangered republicans who are in endangered if trump turns toout to be the worst case scenario. >> the republicans likely to distance themselves are the ones likeliest to end up losing to democrats. that might have the effect of making the republican conference more conservative in 2017 even if they keep the majority. i'm watching two types of districts in particular. districts where 20% of adults are latino or asian and districts where 25% has a college degree. those are two district where is
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trump could be radioactive and drag them into uncomfortable races. >> what do they need to do to put people get comfortable with the idea of him on the ticket as their nominee? >> right. i don't know if donald trump is amenable to doing anything differently. would he gain more votes in the general election by maybe shifting gears a little bit and toning it down more than he would lose if he changed from his base. you know, who knows what the trump effect is going to be on the general. i don't think anyone knows that. >> david, a pure number question here. how many seats could be in play, in your worst case scenario if trump is worse than goldwater. what's the most plausible number that could be in jeopardy for the republicans? >> still not all that high
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because of gerrymandering. i think 45 to 50 seats is probably the most we see in play on the republican side. an example of a member who is in a real bind as it is is a guy like carlos from florida's 26th district. he represents a heavily cuban district. he is cuban american. that's a well educated, high lat latino district. he said he will never vote for trump. another district might be virginia's tenth district where barbara comstock has given money that donald trump gave to her a couple of years ago back. those are the kinds of places we'll be watching carefully. >> david wasserman, jennifer jacobs, you guys make our friday. come back soon and have a good weekend. coming up, we'll have the second king of our show tonight. presidential optics guru josh king will grade the candidates this cycle. we'll be right back with that after this.
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we're closing with really big guest who knows what it takes to look like a president. josh king is the former director of production for events for bill clinton at the white house. josh king, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, mark. thank you, john. >> we're going to look at events from this campaign and ask you to break them down starting with hillary clinton. tell us what you see here. >> look at that. let's go to the filmore. this is a wide shot, an establishing shot. it's taken from a scissor lift. notice secretary clinton is in the middle. there's a bowl effect for her. the crowd behind her is a wonderful long distance behind her, which when you look at a tight shot through the lenses
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from the back press riser, those people will be nice and blurred out so they won't distract from secretary clinton. let's look over at the tight shot. this is a long lens from the press riser. she's beautifully lit. a will the of lights inside the filmore, but all these people, this is sea of blurry people. they're not too compacted as you saw earlier. >> it's a well staged event. >> this is a perfectly well staged ve ed event in philadelp. >> although blurry, you can tell it's a multi-racial crowd. >> let's not forget these american flags. there's no geographic identifier. you really don't have an idea about that except when you go over to the cut away shot. you have journalists here on a special riser off camera. they are shooting across secretary clinton to this sign over here. >> show us the sign. we got to move. >> we're in philadelphia
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inquirer shot. this is the cut away. >> let's move onto bernie sanders because if there's any candidate this year who is famous for his gigantic rallies, bernie sanders. talk about this. >> this is the big four bridge. the ohio river behind us. this is what we call magic hour. it's the most beautiful time of day to stage an event. >> this is louisville, kentucky. >> more importantly on this side of the river is jefferson city, indiana where the primary is being held. sanders wins it. you get a two-fer by going to this media market. what you do have is this common future to believe in that he's been very consistent with from event to event. look how the afternoon sun and the sunset is playing off the big four bridge. just a beautiful scene. straight on. this is what the photographers who are traveling with him, the pool photographers are shooting
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from underneath senator sanders. it's the only angle that they can make. this is perfect for the new york times or wall street journal. >> dramatic. let's move onto a donald trump event. this is in bentonville, arkansas. it's pretty massive and well staged. tell us what you see. >> i see the powerful use of the delivery of his 757 aircraft that pulls on to the apron on bentonville. it's probably a couple hundred feet away. donald trump gets out. he's in the hangar. the problem with the hangar doing these events is he's very back lit because the airport is out in the daylight and you can't throw enough light on donald trump's face to bring out all his wonderful complexion. >> you get the airplane and the back lit. >> airplane good, back light bad. >> what do you see in this photo? >> the first thing i see which he's done so well is making sure that his viewing audience at
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home knows where he is. where is he? he's in costa -- >> why does the viewing audience care? >> he's at an immigration event that these people are saying they had relatives killed by illegal immigrants. this is in a media market where that matters. another different event, the most important thing i took from this mark and john, are these two things. these are large reverse monitor audio speakers. when you see donald in a tight shot on the evening news, he's more conversational. he's not elevating his voice. he is not being what he would say, shrill because he's getting so much sound blasted back at him. he knows how to project to his audience.
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>> take a seat right there. let's talk about trump. let's talk about the hat. you're not supposed to wear hats in politics, right? mike dukakis. what does he get away with the hat? >> for a few reasons. first of all, i'm told that he plays golf in that hat regularly at trump national down in palm beach. my friend joe says he wears that white shirt, khaki pants and that hat. he just traded trump on the bill for make america great again. if you wear that hat in public and you're a photo editor, you can't crop out that message. he's wearing his bumper sticker on his head. he's very natural in it. he's authentic. he's comfortable in his own skin. he's not trying to be a tank commander or a coal miner. >> he is what he is. the taco bowl photo. if you worked for trump and he said i want to tweet this out, big smile. would you say tweet it boss or squelch that tweet?
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>> i would have said squelch it. i can't argue that it's had 80 retwee -- 80,000 retweets and likes. he's not eating. he's not gorging himself the way he made fun of governor kasich. he's very much being consistent with his brand and he's not embarrassing himself. he's giving his thumbs up to it. he's man comfortable in his skin in that office. >> thank you for breaking all that down. josh's book out now. it's called "off script." buy it. ou have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. when we breathe in allergens our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. most allergy pills only control one substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater tone.
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>> that was donald trumping to hell with men. until next week after we have an amazing weekend. we say to you sayanora. coming up, hardball with chris matthews. trump versus ryan. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. paul ryan is the speaker holding back to support donald trump. today ryan invited trump to meet with him next week. trump has shown no effort to make nice with ryan. he said paul ryan said i inherited something very special, the republican party. wrong. i didn't inher
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