>> that was donald trumping to hell with men. until next week after we have an amazing weekend. we say to you sayanora. coming up, hardball with chris matthews. trump versus ryan. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. paul ryan is the speaker holding back to support donald trump. today ryan invited trump to meet with him next week. trump has shown no effort to make nice with ryan. he said paul ryan said i inherited something very special, the republican party. wrong. i didn't inherit it. i won it with millions of vot s

voters. trump said he was surprised by ryan's criticism. >> i was really surprised by it. it's fine. he can do whatever he wants to do. many other people were surprised. some were really surprised by it and not happy about it. i will tell you i have many endorsements from yesterday. they're coming in left and right. he's one of the only ones really surprising. >> in an interview trump also dismissed ryan saying some people think he's better off without him. >> i like him but the fact that he would do that, and he's doing it under the banner of unity, when it actuality that's the opposite of unity. i've also had many people say that i'm better off. i don't believe that. i think we should have unity. i think it would be better to have him. you know, it's just too bad. many people think i'm better off. who knows. >> this morning, a spokeswoman for trump went even further saying ryan shouldn't be speaker

if he doesn't back trump. >> if the republican speaker of the house does not come around to supporting the republican nominee, do you think that paul ryan is still fit to be speaker? >> no because this is about the party. paul ryan needs to be -- he's the leader right now. we're told donald trump is only the presumptive nominee. he's not the nominee until 1237. it's incup -- incup bent on paul ryan to bring it together. >> donald trump has not demonstrated the temperament or strength of character. he's not displayed a respect for the constitution and he's not a conservative. these are all reasons i can't support him. that's jeb bush. trump won the backing of dick chaney.

john, let's talk about from the inside. if you're on the ballot this year, you can't just, there seems to be a pattern. if you're on the ballot for republican, you don't want to diss the candidate at the top of your ticket. >> in many places he's popular. you see what's going on there within the party, how fractured it is. we're not going to need a convention during the summer. we're going to need a support group. >> if you don't hang together, you'll hang separately. >> it's amazing to see a convention where out of last five republican nominee, only one is going to the convention

and that's bob doyle. nobody else is going. who is going to go to this convention? >> the vice presidential nominee of 1976, the presidential nominee of 1996. >> he's the only one of the last five of them. >> everybody likes bob doyle. >> even though people on the ballot aren't going like kelly from new hampshire. she's not going to go to the convention. >> trump's saying ryan has to come to him. >> exactly. >> there's a certain logic to what he's saying. he creamed everybody. he took possession of the republican party, like it or not. nobody quite understands what

that means or why that happened. they'll figure that out. in the meantime it's his. absolutely. he expects paul ryan to come to him and of course he's not going to go to ryan. >> is it important he keep the character? >> it's one of the things his many supporters like. he's going to have this meeting on the hill that paul ryan is putting together. i think if ryan expects to outline conservative principles and he expects trump to sign onto, he's sadly mistaken. i think trump will say that's all very interesting. >> suppose he says lose the wall and this ban on muslim. what does trump say in. >> ryan's staffer said one of the reasons he felt he couldn't support donald trump is because he doubled down on the ban on

muslims. ryan gave a speech and said that's not the republican party. >> explain this. why would the muslim ban be tougher than the wall and sending back 12 million people here illegally? >> i think the republicans are having the wrong argument. what we're missing is what this race is not a choice election. for trump to win, it's a movement election. a movement election means the rules go out the window and you have to create your own. e targets he has to move are independent voters, blue collar democrats and get every vote that romney got. he's doing pretty good with independents and blue collars. the problem is he's not getting all the romney votes. he has to do that. clinton is smart enough to figure out her target is moderate, republican women. >> women just do not like trump.

>> not all women. what number is he getting? 40% of women. >> 40% of republican primary women voters. in terms of general women he's under water. >> he's already gone 90% of the way to get to the presidency from nothing. i'm not sure the train stops at 90%. it may. hillary stops the train. >> he does not play by everybody else's rules. he play a different game. even more different -- >> hillary will have $2 billion.

he will try to play the game with 75 million or he has to starts peeling off billions of dollars himself. he needs the party. >> he's going to take rnc money. >> he can't afford not to have rnc money. >> let's listen to the president. >> i want to emphasize the degree to which we are in serious times and this is really serious time. this is not entertainment. this is not a reality show. this is a contest for the presidency of the united states, and what that means is that every candidate, every nominee needs to be subject to exacting standards and genuine scrutiny. >> john, everybody this question. that's brilliant. it's very sober and quiet and

seemingly non-partisan. if he keeps to that tone, eisenhower talking down a bit, saying this is how it's important, can he also take shots and trump? i think he has to decide pretty early on what kind of a summer and fall. i would say that's the smart perspective. >> white suburban moderate republicans on the issues they care about. they're trying to isolate them saying you go to a cocktail party and vote for trump. the problem is this vote for trump is not about trump. these are people that waited their whole life to vote for donald trump. they waited a long time to stick their if i thifinger in the eye

washington, d.c. >> i agree. it's attitude. it's all about attitude. >> by all accounts from people i've spoken to say he's chomping at the bit to get out there anenand criticize trump. he's going to highlight the complexity of this job of being president of the united states. look how complicated this. look how hard it is. >> it was a big day. >> it was retweeted 4,000 times.

>> it's not going to be his biggest problem. >> jeb bush said he won't back trump this fall. he joins mitt romney who said i see way too much demagoguery on both sides of the aisle. i don't intend to support either major party candidate at this point. lindsey graham said he wouldn't back trump. let's watch him. >> i don't think he has the temperament or judgment to be commander in chief. he lost me when he said my friend john mccain was a loser because he was captured as a pow. he lost me when he accused george w. bush of lying to the american people about the iraq war and he thinks putin is a good guy. to donald trump, you beat me and everybody else. i believe that the republican party has been conned here and this guy is not a reliable conservative republican. >> how are you supposed to avoid

capture? your plane is shot down. you managed to bail out. you right go down into a local pool, a little pond, how do you -- >> how you going to get out of that? how do you escape that? >> it's ridiculous. you're dealing with facts. what are the real hawks in the republican party going to do. >> i'm wondering about the op-ed pages. clinton has hawkish tendency.

>> she's got real cred. >> thank you. coming up, hillary clinton wants to turn to donald trump. he's got two distractions hanging over her head. fbi has begun interviewing her top aides about the e-mail server. bernie sanders is poised for a winning streak. how do you teach this stuff to college kids. i wanted know about this. we're talking to two top college professors about what they are telling their students about what's going on in this crazy election. does it fit the textbooks? apparently not. clinton and the democrats start up the general election come pa campaign. we'll look at state where is this race will be decided.

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the nomination donald trump has some on wall street nervous. hillary clinton thinks she can get them on board with her. according to a report in politico, hillary clinton supporters are trying to pick up supporters from the bush family. they include people like woody johnson and the owner of the new york jets. one person close to clinton said reporters of the former secretary of the state drew up a list of wall street donor who is supported jeb bush and other unsuccessful republican candidates months ago but wanted to wait until trump locked down the nomination before getting the calls. >> voters will have to decide

the guy i feel comfortable with in representing me and what i care about. >> the new york times also reports the clinton campaign expects to assemble republicans for hillary and mrs. clinton has, from her days in the senate, cultivated strong relationships with prominent republicans and their top staff people. any way, clinton's play to woo the republicans over to her side work? what would be the reasons they would cross the aisle and go with hillary? >> ordinarily people like that normally hinge their bets any way. she's giving them the

opportunity to do it openly. >> wow. >> they would hedge their bets meaning secret handshakes or what? what do you mean by hedge their bets? give a little money to the other side. >> they donate to both sides. that's what american business people do. they've always done that way, and they will do it again. this time i think donald trump will get all the money. all of that money that the guy who put together the program for the independent expenditures would formerly do. i think hillary clinton and r. kennedy will get her fair share. trump will get equal, if not more. >> okay. >> let me go to chrkristen welk. what's your report on that? >> we know that's part of her strategy but another key part of her strategy, she's been campaigning off the fact there's a long list of republican who is say publicly they're not going to support donald trump. i think it would be tough to win

some of those folks over, at least to have them say publicly they would support her. we know they will try aggressively. i think this works into her strategy in a place like pennsylvania where you have suburban republican women. reagan democrats will be so critical to the democrats holding onto those key battleground states. >> let me bring that question to joy. aren't you stunned with sheldon adelson out there in vegas, he's supporting trump. trump is not a supporter of middle east hawkishness which adelson supports.

>> i think that donald trump who was reportedly prepped by his son to give the speech that was hawkish. i think he won sheldon adelson over. let's look to state like florida. particularly, hispanic republicans in florida. that's where you can see a real break from trump where some of these members of congress do have hispanic constituents. while a will the of republicans may not come out and supporter, because they don't want to al i alienate their base, they will stand down and walk away from trump. alienate their base, they will stand down and walk away from trump. alienate their base, they will stand down and walk away from trump. they will try to protect their own seats. i think that's where a lot of money will go and the energy of

elected officials will go. >> if your name is on the ballot is to not encourage every member of the your party to support you and everybody else. the month of may is giving bernie sanders little reason to quit the contest. she still has him to contend with. after a big win in indiana last week, sanders is poised to do well in west virginia and kentucky. yesterday, sanders told npr that quote, he's going to stay in until the last vote is counted. that will be from the primary in washington, d.c. on june 14th. halfway through june. bernie sanders threaten add floor fight.

that's what's going on now. you've been to these conventions. the fight over the platform isn't always getting a lot of attention. this year it's going to get an awful lot. >> what the sanders people and the sanders supporters. she has to be in a position where she remains the potential candidate for president. not the candidate for chairmanship for the democratic party. not the candidate for the fringe within the party or certain kinds of things. she's got to stay above that fray. >> how does she do it if bernie wants certain things in there. he puts that in there. it's very attractive. it's hard to get it financed by the senate finance committee. how does she keep something like that out?

>> it ask a real attractive feature. there's no question about it. she has to have her own view on whether or not we should have free education from the time you enter nursing school to the time you finish law school or the time you get out of medical school. those are issues that she can discuss and lose nothingrom the bernie supporters. >> officials familiar with the investigation confirmed yesterday that some of clinton's top aidses have been interviewed by the fbi within the last few months. on tuesday, my colleague andrea mitchell, asked if they had been quacked by the fbi about her testifying. here is what she said.

>> have you been contacted or your representatives been contacted to set up an inters u interview? >> no. >> any indication that your server was hacked? >> no, not at all. >> what's the strategy -- maybe she hasn't been contacted. let's assume the full truth. what is in there in terms of denying the fbi is up to this? you hear from some of her surrogates that fbi is not investigating. obviously, something is going on with the investigations. dozens of them working on the server issue. why do they keep denying that's happening? >> well, look, they're trying to calm jittery democrats and make the point that they think ultimately this fbi investigation will show there was no wrong doing. >> it better. >> on the part of secretary clinton. here's the interesting thing that i want to point out. what we're seeing is this investigation coming to its end. they have interviewed some of

her top aides. we believe they will be reaching out to her in the near future. that could be as early as the next few weeks. that will be the end of this process once she's interviewed if they determine no wrong doing. if they don't, then the question becomes how do republicans continue to use that. donald trump has been insistent that he's not backing off this. they want to calm the democrats. >> thank you. up next, how do you teach a phenomenon like donald trump in a classroom? we'll talk to two of the top political science professors and learn what they are telling their students about the surprising and unprecedented presidential campaign. this is hardball, the place for politics. nissan invited some everyday experts...

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you are the most diverse class in northeastern's history. in other words, you're donald trump's worst nightmare. >> welcome back to hardball. that was secretary of state john kerry at a commencement address at northeastern university this boston. for those that haven't graduated, what are they learning about this year's presidential election and how do you teach politics in this age where trump and sanders are such a phenomenon. it's a year unlike any in history. he's a professor at stanford. professor, thank you. are you both professors? i hope so. what do you tell when the history of how you work your way

up in the party and you get to be a senator or governor and your ambition gets to you and say i'm going for the big one. that's the way it normally runs. donald trump, where's he? what do you say to students? >> this is unlike any other election that we've ever seen. in that sense, it's a bit of a challenge because people want to know is this lasting change. is this the new normal in american politics? there's been points in american history where you've had populists that have run and had various people that have tried to push various agendas. at the end of the day, i tend to see this as an aberration. that's how i approach it. i think students are inclined to believe that especially since most of my students want bernie sanders to be president. >> more like those guys that you think is coming again.

what do you make of it? >> i think it's good for one thing. we're getting throw away some of our yellow notes. those pieces of paper. 20, 30 years of lecturing the same thing. my students, about 70% of them are for bernie sanders. i've done a little survey. his average support in the caucuses and primaries has been among those 18-29. 71%. i think this is everywhere and frankly, they're telling me more than i'm telling them. i'm learning from them because they're so engaged in this election. it's just like 2008. they're really into it. >> not knocking it, but i'd like to go to uva for free. isn't that what bernie is saying? you're going to one of the great universities like michigan or berkeley and you get to do it for not spending a dime. does that cover room and board

too? i think he's nailed something like the draft was back in the '60s. it catch the heart of the student experience. isn't that one of his successes? >> no question about it. look, this is an issue that's front and center for students every day. they're thinking about what the costs are. they're thinking about how much more student debt they might have to take onto afford educations at some of the top institutions in the country. bernie sanders has struck a cord. there's no question about it. i think the other interesting element of this is not just the fact that they like sanders but seem to really dislike hillary clinton. there's a bit of a time warp going on here. >> what is that about? explain that. i'm not familiar. tell me why students in the 18 to 22 era would have a pronounced attitude towards hillary. >> i think they see her as candidate of the past. i think they see her as not in line or in step with their

concerns. they just don't think he's very hip at the end of the day. it might just be the case, chris, that she's not talking about free tuition everywhere she goes and maybe that's as simple as it is. they don't take to her. >> i think she's a centrist democrat. bernie calls himself a democratic socialist. that word socialist, we all know would have been hard to sell and using the word comrade. if students only experience with capitalism, borrowing, lending, her only experience is as the debtor and getting up to over $100,000 in debt, they don't see capitalism in the same positive light. how would you explain the wording? why is socialism so acceptable to young democrats? >> i don't think it's acceptable or they're attracted to it.

it's just that bernie is new wave. he's so old wave, he's new wave to them. they're attracted to that. let me say something for hillary clinton here. i do have students and many of them are young women who do like the idea and have hoped they would see a woman president. it hasn't taken the way i thought it might. once those sorts of gender perspectives would have been dominant among women students, but that really isn't true. i see it there. i think probably it will flower in the fall. do you will have a lot more with clinton as the nominee. >> you're male but you've been around enough know patterns of history. did you notice it in the '80s or '70s? did you since it was more overt, feminism among the student class when you talk politics? >> go ahead.

>> professor chang. i agree it's been muted now for the time. >> well, i wasn't teaching in the '70s and '80s, but my sense largely is, people feel like there's a new set of issues they want to talk about. a lot of people, a lot of young women i teach, feel that they have an established role in campus leadership. they see many female role modes models in politics. they are moving to that. >> thank you. we'll have you back. donald trump is set to receive a national intelligence briefing after becoming his party's official nominee. he's already boasting about his foreign policy chops. the hardball round table is coming here next. you're watching hardball, the place for politics. and so my new packing robot will make jet warehouses

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where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the middle east? >> you wouldn't fight back? >> to drop it into a community of people. >> first of all, you don't want to say take everything off the table. >> just nuclear. >> nuclear should be off the table but would there be a time when it could be used? possible. >> that was donald trump at a town hall this march saying he would consider using a nuclear weapon in the middle east. he said consider. he wouldn't take it off the table. i also pressed trump about europe. >> i would never take any of my cards off the table. >> how about europe? >> i'm not going to take it off the table. >> you might use it in europe? >> no, i don't think so.

>> say i'll never use it in europe. >> i'm not talking any cards off the table. >> once he's declared the republican nominee at this summer's convention in cleveland, he'll receive classified briefings. in trump's case, perhaps the briefings can be abbreviated. he's already described himself as well versed on the subject of russia. here is a bit of fun here. >> i know russia well. i had major event in russia two or three years ago. a miss universe contest, big event. >> i'm joined by author of "power wars." april ryan is american radio network. david, you know all the world of espionage and intelligence world better than anybody i know. when trump gets the briefings, what will they be like.

he's very impulsive and speaks with alive synapsis. he goes from thoughts to thoughts. how do you keep stuff secret once you know it? >> that's interesting. he tends to blur different sources of information. he will remember something he thought he saw on tv. >> national inquirer. >> something he read on twitter. that's one of the things that would worry an intelligence briefer. i'm certain the briefings they will give the two candidates will be identical. i'm certain they will be fairly limited. the word that was out this week at charlie savages piece and jim clapper's comments made clear these will be initially broad, non-operational briefings. i think they will be careful because trump never really work with classified information in his life.

>> anybody tell kennedy about the bay of pigs in '60? >> what he was told after he became president-elect. he began to learn but he didn't know the full truth and by time he wanted to back out, he couldn couldn't. >> we know deep background. you know it but it doesn't mean off the record. he henceforth knows it. it's in his head. once you brief a guy or woman running for president, how do they not know what they know? >> you may know what you know but someone else corroborates and you can throw it onto that person. >> or reconstruct the story, which is not honest. is that your rule? >> no. >> you can find source. >> if someone -- let's say if someone at the white house gives you something on deep, deep, deep background as they like to

say, and you get it corroborated from someone else and that person says you can use that. >> what about you get a briefing from the national security people, from the director of national security or from the cia, what do you do with that? >> you have to really be quiet. for donald trump, he will have to learn how to hold it together. he runs the risk of losing the security clearance and also from i'm hearing from my security persons personnel, intelligence personnel, it's also a matter of national security and could also go to the department of justice if there is a problem. >> i don't want to presume that, but your thinking. >> that's what i've heard. >> this is an interesting topic because you're spraying the guy or woman tremendous information. >> this is a good opportunity for your viewers correct some misinformation out there. there's been panic the last 48 hours especially on the left. it's been driven by reporting that suggests that trump is

going to get regular briefings, kind of like the president gets. he will know all this operational stuff that's happening now. that's a wild exaggeration. i've talked to a couple of senior intelligence people who have done this in the past. they said that after the conventions, what happens is there's a one time briefing for the nominee for president an vice president of each party. they're offered a one time briefing about the world and could last three or four hours. maybe it gets broken up. that's it. they're not getting an ongoing -- >> they take notes. >> they don't get told sources and methods or covert stuff. once you're elected, the president-elect gets that. the report that trump will be told all this. >> i talked to people who worked in the romney camp working with the romney intelligence briefing

and they said, you know, this is going to what's happening now when we transition into the actual nominees. what happens is that yes, they may get the same briefings and it may be more than just that one briefing you're talking about. what happens is that they -- the briefings may come out identical at the beginning but it depends upon the depth of the questions. how many questions the person asked. >> you ask good questions, you get pretty good answers. >> i think the briefers will respond to the questions. i think it will be a one time, one off phenomenon. the interesting thing to ask yourself is what happens the day after a donald trump victory, if he should win. at that point he's told the crown jewels. he's told the greatest secrets the united states government has as a president-elect must be. that's the moment that people should think, what would that be like? the interesting thing about donald trump is he doesn't have a good filter in terms of

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let me finish tonight with a serious bit of culture. "the good wife" has been on seven years and i've never missed it, a television drama about grown-ups, a woman whose politician husband betrayed her with prostitutes about women professionals battling it out with male rifles and each other, about old romances and how they stick around, especially when the old flame after so many years shows up. that one's happened before. of all the gin joints and towns and all. in the case of "the good wife"

it's the he who shows up and it's not rick's cafe in casablanca but a contemporary law firm. there's something fresh about a drama with characters you can't help caring about. my favorite eli gould is the "hardball" political consultant with a heart who cares deep down about his candidate and his candidate's wife, and most of all, that they somehow stay together. and a wife, of course, certainly not always good in a moral sense, who struggles between the person she was taught to be and who god actually made her. a mother with a kid about to fly off with what threatens to be the wrong spouse, a husband she cannot find in mind or heart to forgive, a lost love lost forever, a profession she needs more than she thought she'd need anything because in the end what this great tv series, like "mad men," is all about is finding your work, honoring it, loving it. in the end it keeps you at it. keeps you at it as long as you

live even if you never find out what that it is. remember to honor your mother this sunday. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> do you agree this is donald trump's party? >> no, it's the party's party. >> donald trump's takeover turns hostile. >> paul ryan? i don't know what happened. i don't know. >> tonight, the latest defections and escalations in the republican civil war. >> i think embracing donald trump is embracing demographic death. then reinforcements for democrats. >> fired up, ready to go! >> how the president entered the 2016 campaign today and what that could mean in the fall. plus guess which ex-candidate went from calling trumpism a cancer to now a vp hopeful.