tv Weekends With Alex Witt MSNBC May 7, 2016 9:00am-11:01am PDT
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that. but i wanted to start, class of 2016, by opening your eyes to the moment that you are in. if you had to choose one moment in history in which you could be born and you didn't know ahead of time who you were going to be, what nationality, what gender, what race, whether you would be rich or poor, gay or straight, what faith you would be born into, you wouldn't choose 100 years ago. you wouldn't choose the '50s or the '60s or the '70s. you would choose right now. if you had to choose a time to be, in the words of lorraine hansberry, young, gifted and black in america, you would
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choose right now. i tell you all this because it's important to note progress, because to deny how far we've come would do a disservice to the cause of justice, to the legions of foot soldiers, to not only the incredibly accomplished individuals who have already been mentioned but your mothers and your dads, parents and great-grandparents who marched and toiled and suffered and overcame to make this day possible. i tell you this not to lull you into complacency but to spur you into action because there's still so much work to do, so many more miles to travel.
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america needs you to gladly, happily take up that work. you all have some work to do. so enjoy the party. because you're going to be busy. yes, our economy has recovered from crises stronger than almost any other in the world, but there are folks of all races who are still hurting. who still can't find work enough to keep the lights on, who still can't save for retirement. we've still got a big racial gap in economic opportunity. the overall unemployment rate is 5%, but the black unemployment rate is almost 9. we've still got an achievement gap. when black boys and girls graduate high school and college at lower rates than white boys and white girls.
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harriet tubman may be going on the 20, but we've still got a gender gap when a black woman working full time still earns just 66% of what a white man gets paid. we've got a justice gap when too many black boys and girls path through a pipeline from underfunded schools to overcrowded jails. this is one area where things have gotten worse. when i was in college, about half a million people in america were behind bars. today there are about 2.2 million. black men are about six times likelier to be in prison right now than white men. around the world we've still got challenges to solve that threaten everybody in the 21st century. old scourges like disease and
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conflict but also new challenges from terrorism and climate change. make no mistake, class of 2016, you've got plenty of work to do. but as complicated and sometimes intractable as these challenges may seem, the truth is that your generation is better positioned than any before you to meet those challenges. to flip the script. how you do that, how you meet these challenges, how you bring about change will ultimately be up to you. my generation, like all generations, is too confined by our own experience, too invested in our own biases, too stuck in
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our ways to provide much of the new thinking that will be required. but us old heads have learned a few things that might be useful in your journey. so with the rest of my time i'd like to offer some suggestions for how young leaders like you can fulfill your destiny and shape our collective future. bend it in the direction of justice. and equality. and freedom. first of all -- and this should not be a problem for this group -- be confident in your heritage. [ applause ] be confident in your blackness. one of the great changes that's occurred in our country since i was your age is the realization there's no one way to be black.
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take it from somebody who's seen both sides of the debate about whether i'm black or not. past couple months i've had lunch with the queen of england and hosted kendrick lamar in the oval office. there's no straight jacket. there's no constraints, there's no litmus test for authenticity. look at howard. one thing most folks don't know about howard is how diverse it is. when you arrived here some of you were like, oh, they got black people in iowa? but it's true. this class comes from big cities and rural communities, and some of you have crossed oceans to study here. you shatter stereotypes. some of you come from a long
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line of bison. some of you are the first in your family to graduate from college. [ cheers and applause ] y'all talk different. y'all dress different. you're lakers fans, celtics fans, maybe even some hockey fans. and because of those who have come before you, you have models to follow. you can work for a company or start your own. you can go into politics or run an organization that holds politicians accountable. you can write a book that wins the national book award, or you can write the new run of black panther, or like one of your alumni, you can go ahead and
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just do both. you can create your own style, set your own standard of duty, embrace your own sexuality. think about an icon we just lost, prince. he blew up categories. people didn't know what prince was doing. and folks loved him for it. you need to have the same confidence, or as my daughters tell me all the time, you be you, daddy. sometimes sasha puts a variation on it, you do you, daddy. because you're a black person doing whatever it is you're doing, that makes it a black
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thing. feel confident. second, even as we each embrace our own beautiful, unique and valid versions of our blackness, remember the tie that does bind us as african-americans. and that is our particular awareness of injustice and unfairness and struggle. that means we cannot sleep walk through life. we cannot be ignorant of hist y history. we can't meet the world with a sense of entitlement. we can't ask by a homeless man without asking why a society as
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wealthy of ours allows that state of affairs to occur. we can't just lock up a low level dealer without asking why this boy barely out of childhood felt he had no other options. we have cousins and uncles and brothers and sisters who we remember were just as smart and just as talented as we were but somehow got ground down by structures that are unfair and unjust and that means we have to not only question the world as it is and stand up for those african-americans who haven't been so lucky, because, yes, you've worked hard but you've also been lucky. that's a pet peeve of mine. people who have been successful and don't realize they've been lucky. that god may have blessed them. it wasn't nothing you did.
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so don't have an attitude. but we must also expand our moral imaginations to understand and empathize with all people who are struggling. not just black folks who are struggling. the refugee, the immigrant, the rural poor, the transgender person. and yes, the middle-aged white guy who made it. you may think has all the advantages but over the last several decades has seen his world upended by economic and cultural and technological change and feels powerless to stop it. you got to get in his head, too.
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number three, you have to go through life with more than just passion for change. you need a strategy. i'll repeat that. i want you to have passion, you have to have a strategy. not just awareness but action. not just hashtags but votes. [ applause ] you see, change requires more than righteous anger. it requires a program and it requires organizing. at the 1964 democratic convention, fanny lou hammond, 5'4" tall gave a fiery speech on the national stage. but then she went back home to mississip
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mississippi organized cotton pickers. she didn't have the tools and technology where you can whip up a movement in minutes. she had to go door to door. i'm so proud of the new guard of black civil rights leaders who understand this. it's thanks in large part to the activism of young people like many of you from black twitter to black lives matter that america's eyes have been opened, white, black, democratic, republican, to the real problems, for example, in our criminal justice system. but to bring about structural change, lasting change, awareness is not enough. it requires changes in law. changes in custom. if you care about mass incarceration, let me ask you how are you pressuring members
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of congress to pass the criminal justice reform bill now pending before them? if you care about better policing, do you know who your district attorney is? do you know who your state's attorney general is, do you know the difference? do you know who appoints the police chief and who writes the police training manual? find out who they are, what their responsibilities are. mobilize the community, present them with a plan, work with them to bring about change, hold them accountable if they do not deliver. passion is vital, but you got to have a strategy. and your plan better include voting not just some of the time but all of the time.
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it is absolutely true that 50 years after the voting rights act there are still too many bearers in this country to vote. there are too many people trying to erect new barriers to voting. this is the only advanced democracy on earth that goes out of its way to make it difficult for people to vote. there's a reason for that. there's a legacy to that. but let me say this. even if we dismantled every barrier to voting, that alone would not change the fact that america has some of the lowest voting rates in the free world. in 2014 only 36% of americans turned out to vote in the midterms. second lowest participation rate on record. you turn out, that would be you, was less than 20%. less than 20%, four out of five did not vote.
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in 2012 nearly two in three americans, african-americans, turned out. and then in 2014 only two in five turned out. you don't think that made a difference in terms of the congress i've got to deal with? and then people are wondering, how come obama hasn't gotten this done, how come he didn't get that done? you don't think that made a difference? what would have happened if you had turned out at 50, 60, 70% all across this country? people try to make this political thing really complicated, like what kinds of reforms do we need and how do we need to do that? you know what, just vote. it's math. if you have more votes than the other guy, you get to do what you want.
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it's not that complicated. and you don't have excuses. you don't have to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar or bubble on a bar of soap to register to vote. you don't have to risk your life to cast a ballot. other people already did that for you. your grandparents, your great-grandparents might be here today, they were working on it. what's your excuse? when we don't vote we give away our power, disenfranchise ourselves, right when we need to use the power that we have. right when we need your power to take away the votes of those more vulnerable than you are, the elderly and the poor, the formerly incarcerated trying to earn their second chance. you got to vote all the time, not just when it's cool, not
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just when it's time to elect a president, not just when you're inspired. it's your duty. time to elect a member of congress or city councilman or school board member or a sheriff. that's how we change our politics, by electing people at every level who are representative and accountable to us. it is not that complicated. don't make it complicated. and finally, change requires more than just speaking out. it requires listening as well. in particular, it requires listening to those with whom you disagree and being prepared to compromise. when i was a state senator i helped pass illinois's first racial profiling law.
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and one of the first laws in the nation requiring the video taping of confessions in capital cases. and we were successful because early on i engaged law enforcement. i didn't say to them, you guys are so racist, you know, you need to do something. i understood, as many of you do, that the overwhelming majority of police officers are good and honest and courageous and fair and love the communities they serve. and we knew there were some bad apples and that even good cops with the best of intentions, including by the way, african-american police officers might have unconscious biases, as we all do. so we engaged and we listened
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and we kept working until we built consensus. and because we took the time to listen, we crafted legislation that was good for the police because it improved the trust and cooperation of the community and it was good for the communities who were less likely to be treated unfairly. and i can say this unequivoca y unequivocally, without the police acceptance organization in illinois, i could never have gotten those bills passed. it's very simple. they would have blocked them. the point is you need allies in a democracy. that's just the way it is. it can be frustrating and it can be slow. but history teaches us that the alternative to democracy is always worse.
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that's not just true in this country. it's not a black or white thing. go to any country where the give and take of democracy has been repealed by one party rule, and i will show you a country that does not work. and democracy requires compromise. even when you are 100% right. this is hard to explain sometimes. you can be completely right and you still are going to have to engage folks who disagree with you. if you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself. you will enjoy a certain moral purity, but you're not going to get what you want. and if you don't get what you want long enough, you will eventually think the whole system is rigged.
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and that will lead to more cynicism and less participation and a downward spiral of more injustice and more anger and more despair. and that's never been the source of our progress. that's how we cheat ourselves of progress. we remember dr. king's soaring or atore yum, the power of his letter from a birmingham jail. the marches he led. but he also sat down with president johnson in the oval office to try and get a civil rights act and a voting rights act passed. and those two seminole bills were not perfect, just like the emancipation proclamation was a war document, as much as it was some call for freedom. those mileposts of our progress were not perfect. they did not make up for
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centuries of slavery or jim crowe or eliminate racism or provide for 40 acres and a mule. but they made things better. and you know what, i will take better every time. i always tell my staff better is good because you consolidate your games and then you move on to the next fight from a stronger position. brittany pacman, a member of the black lives matter movement and campaign zero, one of the ferguson protest organizers, she joined our task force on 21st century policing. some of our fellow activists questioned whether she should participate. she rolled up her sleeves. she sat at the same table with big city police chiefs and prosecutors, and because she did, she ended up shaping many of the recommendations of that task force. and those recommendations are now being adopted across the country.
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changes that many of the protestors called for. if young activists like brittany had refused to participate out of some sense of idealogical purity, then those great ideas would have just remained ideas. but she did participate and that's how change happens. america is big and it is boisterous. the president told me that we've got a significant nepalese contingent here at howard. i would not have guessed that. right on. but it just tells you how interconnected we're becoming. and with so many folks from so many places converging, we are not always going to agree with
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each other. another howard alum, zorneil herston once said -- this is a good quote here -- nothing that god ever made is the same thing to more than one person. think about that. that's why our democracy gives us a process designed for us to settle our disputes with argument and ideas and votes instead of violence and simple majority rule. so don't try to shut folks out. don't try to shut them down, no matter how much you might disagree with them. there's been a trend around the country of trying to get colleges to disinvite speakers with a different point of view or disrupt a politician's rally. don't do that. no matter how ridiculous or
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offensive you might find the things that come out of their mouths, because as my grandmother used to tell me, every time a fool speaks, they are just advertising their own ignorance. let them talk. let them talk. if you don't, you just make them a victim, and then they can avoid accountability. that doesn't mean you shouldn't challenge them, have the confidence to challenge them. confidence and tin the rightnes your position. there will be times when you shouldn't compromise your core values, your integrity. and you will have the responsibility to speak up in the face of injustice. but listen, engage. if the other side has a point, learn from them. if they're wrong, rebut them, teach them, beat them on the battlefield of ideas.
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and you might as well start practicing now because one thing i can guarantee you, you will have to deal with ignorance, hatred, racism, foolishness, trifling folks. i promised you, you will have to deal with all that at every stage of your life. that may not seem fair, but life has never been completely fair. nobody promised you that. and if you want to make life fair, then you've got to start with the world as it is. so that's my advice. that's how you change things. change isn't something that happens every four years or eight years. change is not placing your faith in any particular politician and
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then just putting your feet up and saying, okay, go. change is the effort of committed citizens who hitch their wagons to something bigger than themselves and fight for it every single day. that's what thurgood marshall understood, a man who once walked this yard, graduated from howard law, went home to baltimore, started his own law practice. he and his mentor, charles hamilton houston, rolled up their sleeves and they set out to overturn segregation. they worked through the naacp. filed dozens of lawsuits. fought dozens of cases. and after nearly 20 years of effort, 20 years, thurgood marshall ultimately succeeded in bringing his righteous calls before the supreme court and securing the ruling in brown
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verses board of education, that separate could never be equal. 20 years marshall, houston, they knew it would not be easy. they knew it would not be quick. they knew all sorts of obstacles would stand in their way. they knew that even if they won, that would just be the beginning of a longer march to equality. but they had discipline. they had persistence. they had faith and a sense of humor. and they made life better for all americans. i know you graduates share those qualities. i know it because i've learned about some of the young people graduating here today. there's a young woman named sierra jefferson who's graduating with us.
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i'm just going to use her as an example. i hope you don't mind, sierra. sierra grew up in detroit and was raised by a poor single mom who worked seven days a week in an auto plant. for a time, her family found themselves without a place to call home. they bounced around between friends and family who might take them in. by her senior year, sierra was up at 5:00 a.m. every day juggling homework, extracurricular activities, volunteering, all while taking care of her little sister. but she knew that education was her ticket to a better life. she never gave up, pushed herself to excel. this daughter of a single mom who works on the assembly line turned down a full scholarship to harvard to come to howard. [ applause ] and today, like many of you, sierra is the first in her
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family to graduate from college. and then she says she's going to go back to her hometown just like that you are go like thurgood marshall did. as she puts it, she's going to be a change agent. she's going to reach back and help folks like her succeed. people like sierra are why i remain optimistic about america. young people like you are why i never give in to despair. james baldwin once wrote, not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced. graduates, each of us is only here because someone else faced down challenges for us. we are only who we are because someone else struggled and sacrificed for us.
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that's not just thurgood marshall's story or sierra's story or my story or your story. that is the story of america. the story whispered by slaves in the cotton fields. the song of marches in selma, the dream of a king in the shadow of lincoln, the prayer of immigrants who set out for a new world, the roar of women demanding the vote, the rallying cry of workers who built america, and the g.i.s who bled overseas for our freedom. now it's your turn. and the good news is you're ready. when your journey seems too hard and when you run into a chorus of cynics who tell you that you're being foolish to keep believing or that you can't do something or that you should just give up or you should just settle, you might say to yourself a little phrase that i found handy these last eight
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years, yes, we can. congratulations, class of 2016! good luck, god bless you. god bless the united states of america. i'm proud of you. [ applause ] president obama giving a sweeping, more than 40 minute commencement address at howard university. the president laying out the challenges that continue to confront the country, but telling the graduates not only to embrace their blackness and their heritage, but also to embrace the elements of change, compromise, working with others. the president calling out not only prince and beyonce but also brittany packette of black lives matter. james baldwin. he talked about thurgood marshall, charles hamilton houston, a really sweeping address not only about african-american history but about hope, really challenging these black graduates and saying that if you had to choose a time to be young, gifted and black, you would choose today.
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truly a sweeping speech and address by president obama to those graduates at howard university, and i'm going to turn it over now to my colleague, alex witt. this was vintage barack obama. it was hopeful, soaring, and he threw everything into it. >> i think when he finishes the presidency, he needs to be a paid commencement address speaker. at one point i was almost reduced to tears listening to him talk about that girl, sierra, where she has come from, where she's going. i want to hear what sierra is going to be doing down the road because she's got a lot of promise. what a bolster for her, having the president of the united states talk about what she's got ahead. >> it was a great speech and a great show we've watched with you. thank you so much, joy. we'll see you tomorrow. we're going to start this show now. let's get right to donald trump, fighting back against former rivals refusing to vote for him in november.
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here's what he said in oregon last night. >> they call signed a pledge. this lightweight, he's a total lightweight, lindsey graham, he signed a pledge and they all signed it because they wanted me to sign it. so i signed it pledge and they're the ones violating the pledge. think of it. >> senator graham's and jeb bush's announcements came on the same day that former republican senator bob dole who was the 1996 nominee called on his party to join him in supporting trump. in a statement, dole said in part, i plan to attend the rnc convention in cleveland to show my support for our party and ticket. we must unite. meanwhile the democratic front-runner told her supporters at a rally in california last night -- >> donald trump has doubled down on his intention to deport 11 or 12 million americans. he's even now talking about what
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he calls a deportation force. can you imagine, can you imagine the police and military action inside our borders? knocking on doors, hauling people out of their beds and their workplaces, 11 or 12 million? well, that is the picture he is painting, and he needs to be repun yated. >> former mexican president lieu sen tee fox is attacking trump's immigration policy. you may remember the former president dropped the f bomb when responding to trump's demand that mexico pay for the wall. here's what he said this morning. >> being a good businessman which he is not is not being a president. you need leadership, somebody that knows how to be firm when you need him but also when you
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have to have a big heart, a big way of relating yourself with the rest of the world, diplomacy and deeply offended on the way he expresses about mexico and mexican people. i demand from him an apology. >> well, there we see the final delegate count for washington. we are awaiting the confirmation of the results from the democratic caucus in guam. we have bernie sanders who won in march. he's picked up 49 of the 67 delegates there. clinton picked up 18 which brings sanders total to 74, clinton total 27. as sanders looks to also win west virginia, he is warning the party about losing support for millennials. here's what he told rachel mad dow yesterday. >> the democratic party has got to open its doors to those
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people who do not feel allegiance towards the democratic party. the democratic party has to be clear about which side it is on. is it going to be on the side of wall street? is it going to be on the side of the drug companies? >> as sanders and clinton take a break from the campaign trial, donald trump has two events in washington. we're in washington today. are the rallies any different now that he is the presumptive nominee? >> reporter: no. probably more bombastic, more on the attack certainly on bill clinton. we found the end of the line. did a great job of getting people out of this intersection and into the convention center. one of the problems they've had in the rallies, the people who don't end up getting in, they face off against the protestors. looks like they're going to get everyone in. the rally is supposed to start in two hours.
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as you've been saying and after president obama's commencement speech, he's trying out a new message and that message is an attack against bill clinton. some people are buying that. take a listen. >> i really like him because he employs more females and pays them better than his male counterparts. he doesn't care if you're white, red, black or purple, if you can do the job and get it done. it's about competency. i was independent, leaning republican. i like that the scales have fallen from my eyes. i used to be disdainful from the left and i realize that both sides are corrupt and for that i will be eternally grateful. >> reporter: a small number of protestors, about a dozen. after this rally donald trump will go about two hours north of seattle. he was supposed to have a rally in seattle. that was called off. i would imagine it's because they were worried about large numbers of protestors. we're not seeing that here. >> he has just the one rally today, is that it? >> reporter: no. he's got a second one.
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it's about two hours north of seattle, but he was supposed to do a rally in downtown seattle but an mayday, a protest across the city and i think that's why they called it off. hillary clinton spoke in california last night while bernie sanders smoke about his chances in the golden state. >> i think we have a good chance to win california and that's something i very much want to do. we have a good organization there. we have a lot of support and we're going to fight as hard as we can to win the largest state in this country. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is in san francisco following the clinton campaign for us today. what was hillary's event like last night? >> reporter: one of the things that is notable about hillary clinton's campaigning here in california is that she is really stressing issues that relate to immigration and some of the concerns of a state that has a larger latino community and also we saw that there are from time
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to time bernie sanders supporters, at least we presume that's what they are because they shout bernie during some of her events. that smattering of support agitating the clinton campaign but a sign that there's still a very active fight between the democrats. she also took some shots at donald trump, turning her eyes toward november, criticizing him for his standing and how he would be perceived as a commander-in-chief. lashing out at some of his policies as hollow, empty and dangerous, and saying he's more of a presumptionous nominee. she's delivering. commencement address in los angeles, also some fundraising in california over the weekend. a little bit of a quiet period for the weekend and then back on the trail. alex? >> kelly o'donnell, thank you for that. joining me now is betsy
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woodrow of politics reporter for the "daily beast" and john harwood, chief washington correspondent for cnbc and a political writer for the new york times. betsy, i'll start with you here. your article on former vice-president dick cheney supporting donald trump even though he doesn't like him, how surprising is this given trump's standing by his claim that george w. bush misled the country into the iraq war? >> it's not a huge shock. cheney of course is a republican party loyalist. it's not surprising he decided to stay with the party and support the presumptive nominee. his daughter is on the ballot in wyoming so it makes sense that he would perhaps not antagonize her potential supporters. that said, trump has scalding language for cheney. he suggested that cheney and bush deliberately lied to get the united states into the iraq war. he suggested that nobody liked
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cheney, that cheney did an awful job, that people shouldn't buy cheney's book. cheney in turn said that trump sounded more like a liberal democrat than a liberal republican. this is an an unusual cease-fire between these two larger than life characters and an example of what's in store for this race. >> bob dole is calling on the party to get behind trump. how concerned should the party be that both george w. bushs are not standing behind him? >> they represent a significant slice of the party and the problem that donald trump has is that a lot of the party is not for him. they don't like him. they're embarrassed by him. so you saw paul ryan distancing himself. you mitt romney distancing himself. reince priebus has a problem of trying to unite this ticket and
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protect republican candidates down ballot as well as try as best he can to see how they can win the presidency, but this is a very difficult road that the party faces right now because donald trump has split the party. >> you mentioned reince priebus. he's meeting with donald trump on thursday, as speaker paul ryan. is there a sense that paul ryan's reluctance to back trump is going to have a big impact? >> yes, i think it is having a big impact. first of all, he provides cover for all republican candidates in the house and senate. he gave them a sort of suggested answer they can give if they're uncomfortable with donald trump. the more people push away donald trump, the more the message is going to be sent to moderate republicans, to independents, that this guy is not okay. that's a problematic message when you're trying to win a national election. >> as we head into tuesday's primaries in west virginia, what should we glean from trump telling his supporters that they
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should save their vote for november. what did he mean by that? >> he has not changed as a human being. it doesn't sound like he'll be changing as a candidate. i don't know that there's a time in american electoral history when a presidential nominee or presumptive nominee has told members of his own party that they should not vote. talk about a contrast from what we heard from obama earlier this hour encouraging howard students to always vote no matter what. these two men probably could not have less in common on this issue. of course, what it shows is that trump is going to keep projecting this mood, this personality of almost cartoonish over confidence. we can expect to see that going forward indefinitely. he's not going to get out of campaign mode. he said before that he'll bore people because he'll be so presidential, but that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. >> john, before we have to let you go, as donald trump resurrects his attacks on
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hillary clinton, what is your take on how much this is going to buy trump in the general election? >> very little. i think the only people who would be moved by that are people who are adamad meant manhuntly opposed to hillary clinton. i'm not sure there's much fresh power. now, it certainly has a different cast on it, the idea that bill clinton would be first gentleman with hillary clinton, so he has somewhat more currency at this particular moment. i just don't think that there's a lot of juice in that attack. >> john harwood and betsy woodrow, we had to cut it a little short because the president gave such a great commencement address there. we're going to have much more on the democratic race ahead and be joined by san francisco's former mayor and whether bernie sanders has a chance to win next month and whether the state will be the deciding factor in the race for the democratic nomination.
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the california primary is just over a month away and at stake for the democrats, 548 delegates. right now hillary clinton has d sanders just over 1,400. sanders, however, remains confident. >> new jersey is a hard one for us but i think we have a good chance to win california and that's something i very much really want to believe. we have a good organization there. we have a lot of support and we're going to fight as hard as we can to win the largest state in this country. >> let's bring in willie brown, he spent over 30 years in that assembly, 15 as its speaker. let's talk about bernie sanders. he seems confident. does he have reason to be about the golden state? >> well, there is no question that the kind of people that live in california and vote in california are fascinated with the kind of items that bernie sanders talks about, whether it's equality of pay for people,
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whether it's the whole business of free education from the time you go to primary school until you go become a graduate student. all of those are things that californians love. but above all else, california is a blue state. it's made up of solid democrats. so whether bernie sanders wins in this state or not is not nearly as important that hillary clinton will win in november. >> are you at all worried that the gop race has been decided and that might have brought a lot of people out to the voting booths and the more volume, the better representation there for california? >> well, i am very concerned. i'm pleased, though, that in fact there will be fewer republicans participating in the vote in june because for all practical purposes, that election is over. donald trump is the nominee. drop the world presumptive. that helps us with what we have on the ballot up here, people
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who are running for various offices and in the state you must be one of two for the fall regardless of which party. so if we can keep republicans from voting and discouraging them in june of this year, all the contest may be a democrat versus democrat in the fall. >> but aren't independents allowed to vote in the open state democratic primary? >> they're allowed to vote. people can vote all over the place in the primaries in california because we have removed the party threshold requirement, and that is a good thing. it leaves it totally open for democrats to do what they do best, is to keep california blue. >> let's talk about the more than 700 super delegates. can bernie sanders convince enough of those super delegates to change side? >> oh, no, not at all. as a matter of fact, the bernie
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sanders operation is one that is geared too trying to effect what position the party will take on certain issues. there is no possibility that bernie sanders's operation could reverse what is clearly almost a mandate and that is that hillary rodham clinton will be the nominee. >> and is he staying in for that reason, to shape the future of the democratic party? >> keep in mind that bernie sanders is not a democrat. bernie sanders has been an independent for almost forever. we got to respect him for that. . we also have to respect his advocacy. he's able to define the issues. he's able to keep quality democrats up and down the ticket focused for what they ought to be doing for the people. for the end he will be as enthusiastic for hillary as she would be for him.
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here's what he said last night. >> bill clinton was the worst in history and i have to listen to her talking about it. and just remember this, she was an unbelievably nasty mean enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgracef disgraceful. so put that in her bonnet and let's see what happens, okay. >> hillary clinton hasn't fired back yet on this comment. >> when people raise questions about those eight years, my question back is what didn't you like? the peace or the prosperity? we were on the right track! i think i know a little bit about what it takes to be a president, having watched two of them up close. >> meanwhile bernie sanders is ramping up his attacks against donald trump specifically for his anti-mexican and muslim rhetoric. here's what he told my
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colleague, rachel maddow, at his home in vermont. >> he has managed to antagonize large segments of the population across the united states. that is unacceptable,structiblet become president. >> and we now have the final delegate count in washington, which bernie sanders won back in march. he has picked up 49 of the 67 congressional district delegates. clinton picked up 18, which brings sanders' total in washington to 74, clinton's total there, 27. as both sanders and clinton take a break from the campaign trail, donald trump has two rallies in washington ahead of that saturday's primaries in a couple
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of weeks. >> cal, what are you hearing from the trump supporters there in washington state? >> people are excited he didn't cancel, now that he's the presumptive nominee, whatever you call him. i want to show you some of the merchandise here. we heard a bit of arguing. the spokane police did an amazing job of getting them in quickly, what is usually what keeps the protests from happening. i've been asking about the new attacks about bill clinton, whether those should be in bounds. take a listen. >> what difference does it make. all the other candidates are -- >> he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. >> the protest numbers have grown a little built here.
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i think the last time we spoke about 30 minutes ago, there's maybe two dozen here, a huge number of local media. people in spokane are excited. we've got some people here getting into some various discussions. not everyone who wanted to get in was able to get in because you had to preregister, even though it was free, had you to preregister and they are milling around, as you can see, alex. >> let's go from there to the democrats. hillary clinton spoke in a rally in oakland, california last night while bernie sanders spoke exclusively with rachel maddow about his chances to win the democratic nomination. >> let me say this in terms of the nomination. we're going to try to get a majority of pledged delegates. that's going to be a hard fight but we're going to try to do that in the next nine contests, but we're also going to appeal to super delegates.
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what's not widely know is well over 400 of the super delegates supporting clinton today came on board before i was even in the race, before the first vote was cast. >> what is the democratic fight for delegates looking like in california? >> reporter: well, one of the things we see on the trail with hillary clinton at a series of events here in california is leaning on local elected officials to be big surrogates for her, to try to help bring the party along. we saw barbara boxer, senator from california, eric garcetti, mayor of los angeles, and what hillary clinton is trying to do is just sort of knit together some of the different sort of interest groups that are a part of the democratic party and are certainly vibrant in california. from women's issues on women's health to equal pay to concerns for african-americans, latino
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americans, issues that relate to immigration and some of the concerns of the so-called dreamers, children who are brought here without documentation but have lived their whole lives as american citizens in the sense of their own experience. she is talking about those issues. at the same time, she also trying to turn towards donald trump but she's mindful she has not yet completed the democratic primary process. we see her here asking voters to turn out on the 7th and making some references to bernie sanders but walking that careful line to not be too critical of sanders but to separate herself on the issues of college affordability and guns and gun safety, and trying to not challenge him in a way in a might push away some of his supporters. and we see examples of that by
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protesters or supporters who come out and sort of are on the periphery of a clinton event. some of them outside, some of them making their way inside her event to have their voices heard as well. alex sp. >> thank you, kelly. so a bit more on today's top political stories. let's bring in molly hooper in, reporter and with a welcome to you both. molly, balk. >> who else should be on his list? what do you think he needs in a running mate? >> well, i think that one of the keefe things he needs is he needs to pick up very important states like in ohio or a florida. and so we've heard marco rubio's name even though he had been little marco, we've heard his name mentioned as a possible number two, as well as john kasich. and even though john kasich has said, no, he's not going to take
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it, it doesn't matter, all these members of congress say they're not going to take the vice presidential spot. well, most of them do. if kasich was on the ticket, there a as possibility that dpt could win that key state of ohio. john kasich has legislative experience, a lot of connections with folks on capitol hill and can help move lngs through eventually that donald trump would be aible to sign. >> let's say marco rubio was the pick. do you think people would buy it? there was so much in about i think that's going to be one thing nation it difficult for him to pinpoint and to find a viable -- a viable vice presidential candidate. >> okay. let's talk about what happened in the california rally last night when hillary clinton took aim at donald trump and here's what she had to say about it.
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>> he doesn't think we need to raise the minimum wage. and i got to tell you, i ask myself all the time, who is he talking to? i have now talked with thousands of people over the last year and i know wages need to go up. and then of course he doesn't think much of equal pay for him because of course he doesn't think much of women it turns out. >> so, katie, where does this gender war go next? does it help either candidate? does it hurt either of them? >> this has been going on for a couple of weeks and it will continue through until the general election. donald trump said a few weeks ago that hillary clinton is playing the women's card and they've been going back and for the. he brought -- >> and hillary clinton is trying
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to win over voters that won't support them. does she need them? >> she's not the official democratic nominee yet. the democrats still have a huge fight because you have bernie sanders, who has pulled hillary clinton to the left. it hard for me to see how she goes about appealing to republican voters when there's a big fight waiting for her at the convention on issues like drone, raising the minimum wage and making sure that bernie sanders supporters go to the polls for her in november. >> and, katie, particularly in the wake of the meeting between conservative there are a lot of conservative readers reportedly considering putting forward a third independent candidate. could that even fly this late in the game?
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>> i believe there are a number of state where it closed and you can't do it, but that doesn't mean that people may not try. there's been a lot of talk about that in the past week from conservatives who are saying never trump, they do not want trump at all. people are trying to figure out if this would be feasible and, if so, who to get the nomination, the number of delegates he need to do so. what do you think he wants out of this? >> he wants to make sure his issues are on the democratic platform. we just spoke with a super delegate for bernie. he said they're going to make sure issues like drones, the minimum wage being $15 instead of $12, issues like campaign finance reform, that all those issues are included on the democratic party platform so that when hillary clinton runs in a general election, she isn't pulled to the right as they fear
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she would be in in order to, like i said, make sure those sanders vo. >> she's fighting a two-front war at this point. she's dealing with donald trump, who has been throwing a lot of stuff at her and bernie sanders, who says he's not going anywhere. she's walking a very fine line. yesterday in california she called him, my esteemed competitor" but then the went on to say she doesn't great agree with his position on college tuition and guns. she's trying to walk the line, not saying anything too bad against sanders and walk the line on trump. >> question north america with
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once donald trump becomes the official representative of the republican party, he will receiving briefings. the teams will ensure that property security protocols are followed. let's bring in greg miller from the "washington post." does briefing donald trump or any other nominee on intelligence matters hold any real security risk? >> of course. i mean, there's a real security risk.
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>> so what about donald trump's business interests in countries like china and russia? >> it depends on how far they go on these briefings. initially with candidates their first rounds of briefings tend to be broad overviews. but as they get further detai d detailed, those issues start to come up. i think will is a certain amount of trepidation, partly because of trump's business ties with countries that are considered adversaries of the united states, partly because he's not known as particularly disciplined in keeping secrets or discretion, and also because, i mean, he hasn't shown -- he
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has a lot of wide-ranging opinions on subjects that might be at odds with what his briefers are trying to share with him. up. >> cited former general michael hayde hayden, quote, it beg as the imagination given that trump's public persona seems to reflect a lack of understanding or care about global issues. don't you think the nominee would have at least an understanding of global issues? >> he's expressed great admiration for vladimir putin. that's something that anybody who works for the cia, u.s.
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intelligence community generally is going to have a lot of heart burn with. how do you come in and say delicately and with respect to a -- your views may need to el involve a bit based on this person's leaders, actions, that kind of thing. >> it would be hard to correct someone like that but the facts are the facts. what about hillary clinton? there is that matter of her private e-mail server. are there concerns about secretary clinton and classified briefings, should she become the nominee? >> the e-mail issue hangs over her, and that gives a lot of people in the intelligence community some trouble. on the other hand, as secretary of state, as a senators, she was
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privy to hundreds if not thousands of classified briefings over a long period of time and i don't think there's any record or any accusation that she came out of those and spoke out of turn. so the e-mail issue is real but there's also this matter that she has a lot of experience getting briefings and hayden and the others i quoted in the story said that their experience with her is she really gets to the bottom of the page, as hayden said, she's very keen and very smart about going through these very complex subjects. >> greg miller, thank you so much. good to see you. >> donald trump says he has a plan to reduce the nation's soaring debt. but who will pay the price? that's coming your way next. dm
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. the zika virused forced the relation case of two baseball games. puerto rico has nearly 800 cases and one death confirmed from that virus. the powerball jackpot has climbed to a record $418 million. >> well, donald trump is running on a largely economic platform, promising to bring jobs back to the u.s. and negotiate better trade deals, but when it comes
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to national debt, trump has an idea that has no precedent, simply get creditors to accept less. it made headlines after trump suggested it on cnbc's "squawk box." ron, does this idea make sense? >> no. among all the things that trump donald trump has said to date, this is among the most catastrophic things a president can say. he's not talking about refinancing debt by borrowing at 10, 20, 30 years, he talking about restructuring and defaulting on the debt and forcing creditors to take what they call in the bond business a hair cut, to take less money than they're entitled to. this happened in greece and argentina and other countries in
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trouble. the u.s. credit backs its bonds. this would throw the market into a serious tizzy. >> why would any leader pick up his call if they say you're going to have to get 80 cents on the dollar? >> there are pension funds that own u.s. treasury bonds, there are individuals in the united states who invest in u.s. treasury bonds. with whom do you renegotiate that lower principal payment or even try to reduce the interest rate that's being paid, which is already at historically low levels. who effectively do you bilk out of their money. this would set a precedent at which the u.s. would lose its current credit rating, which is below triple a but among the highest in the world, it would shake the bond market to its very core, probably cause a currency privacy, cause interest rates to skyrocket if we were to default on the debt.
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this is very doiangerous talk. had hillary clinton or jeb bush were the presumptive nominee, you would have seen a market panic a couple days ago. i think wall street shook it off as kind of another throwaway line from donald trump. which it is not, by the way. . publicly held debt, almost $14 trillion. that's on us but business debt, that is on us? >> bond holders take that so-called hair cut where they get paid less interest or get paid for a longer period of time to restructure a company. a country's evens are vastly different than a company's
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finances. we have bankruptcy laws to help companies that is in dire straits. the united states should never even discuss the possibility of defaulting on its external debt. >> when it comes to trade, smart trade as trump likes to call it, i want to listen to what he told supporters at a rally in eugene oregon just last night. >> i couldn't stand at looking at the worst trade deals, the dumbest people are making the worst trade deals. >> what kind of message does that send to countries like china? >> not every trade deal has been bad. the ttp, which is hopefully
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finalized, puts the united states in a better position in asia that china currently has. the u.s. economy still is 75% domestic consumption. in other words, consumer spending accounts for 75% of gdp. we have lost jobs to global trade, to lower wage countries. the u.s. is becoming increasingly competitive because of more competitive wage rates and our skilled work force. you can't make blanket statements about trade. in many ways, these are very nuanced deals. i don't know which part he would restructure, nor does anyone else. whether it's mexico or china. the u.s. has been exporting record levels of good and services around the world. our gdp is the lowest it's been
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in negative. >> what about the fact that he's not backing down from his plan to deport the approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants. that could cost, we're told, up $200 billion. wouldn't that shrink the economy? >> absolutely. here we are with an unemployment rate that is 5%. and our population rate, replacement rate, needs to be stable to growing in order to keep the labor force increasing in size in order to grow gdp and in order to enhance kpik activity. so if you deport 11 million or 12 million people who are currently in the work force, they pay $7 billion in social security taxes every year that they're never going to get back, i've heard cost estimates as high as $5 billion. mr. trump has suggested eed like to cut taxes, which would add $9 to 12 trillion over the next 12
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years. throw $500 billion on top and the defense building on top and we're talking about taking our closer debt really adversely affecting the labor force. i happen to be among those who believe there should be comprehensive labor reform and a path to citizenship but also for economic reasons it makes no as soon as to send people back who are doing legitimate work in the u.s. economy, even if they're here illegally, they're doing things most important workers have decided already they don't want to do. >> okay. my friend, ron, who is going to be an economics professor in his next life. >> oh, god forbid. >> and trump on the stump. is this what republicans want to hear from their presumptive nominee? >> oh, do we have a protester?
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welcome back to msnbc live. donald trump has agreed to meet privately with house speaker paul ryan and reince priebus on thursday. ryan's invitation came a day after he said he wasn't ready to endorse trump and on the same day that lindsay graham said he won't vote for him. >> they all signed a plumbing. this lightweight, he's a total lightweight, lindsey graham, and they signed it because they wanted me to sign it and i
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signed the pledge and they're the ones violating the pledge. this is called politicians. >> according to this headlines the breach between trump and ryan may be beyond repair. joining me from washington to talk about it is republican strategist riche -- >> i was really surprised. by the way, look, it really is mine. look. >> i honestly think he understands that building and unifying and growing the party
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is the only way we're going to win. >> prince priebus, paul ryan, all expected to meet on thursday. can this party be unified? >> i think it can be unified. i think it's a long way from being union side right now. if you take a look specifically at speaker ryan, he is a very principaled person who believes very strongly in issues. he believes and i've heard him say this many times that elections are about choices, not referendums. and when you take a look at some of. issues like immigration reform, obama care reform, trade policy, speaker ryan and donald trump are on very, very different sides of these issues. i think what speaker ryan wants to do is get an idea of what it is that donald trump would do as president and whether or not that they're in singe with what he believes is the vision of the
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republican party. >> and what about this idea being floated by conservative commentator bill crystal that the gop should start all over, find an independent to run. and in the "weekly standard," he writes organization o independent republican candidate can help prevent the conflags of the republican party with trump. >> they certainly don't want to see hillary clinton in the white house. it's a place for them to go and protect some of the down ballot races. just today a poll came out that has trump leading in georgia but only by one point. if republicans are fighting in georgia in september and october, that means a lot of
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down ballots, senators, mayors, a lot of elected officials could be in trouble. i think bill kristol wants to figure out a way if there's a athat's a place holder to protect people in some of those places. >> at the rally last night in eugene, trump warned hillary clinton on bringing up his record on women. i want to listen to that and get your reaction. >> nobody in this country and maybe in the history of the country politically was worse than bill clinton with women. and she was a total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. i mean, you have ever read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? and they're going after me with
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women? give me a break, folks. >> who do you think this helps, this line of discussion? >> i think this helps donald trump in his base. i think there's people who like donald trump already who like hearing this about hillary clinton. i don't know if this helps swing voters at all. i mean, take a look at the polls, alex. trump has a negative 20 -- a double digit disapproval among white women. mitt romney won white women by 14 percentage points in 2012. whoever is going to be the republican nominee, assuming -- we assume it's going to be a donald trump, is going to have to win white women by more than 14, by more than mitt romney did. and it doesn't seem like this is a strategy that's going to get you there. i think it helps with your base, it's a crowd pleaser among certain types of republicans but i don't think it broadens the
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coalition. >> okay, russ, thank you very much. >> kelly, welcome to you. this was a pretty bitter contest. what's been the reaction following the win? >> it was an incredibly negative contest, alex, especially in the last few weeks. some in london today are calling this london's obama moment, the first white mayor in the city, known as being incredibly diverse. and the new mayor is 45 years old, sadiq khan, the son of a bus driver, and he grew up a muslim, he's a former human rights lawyer. and his opponent tried to paint
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him as an islamic extremist, at one point even calling him a real danger to london. but voters completely rejected that, electing the first muslim mayor in a land slide to 43%. khan said the politics is fear is simply not welcome in our city. but it should also be mentioned, alex, this was a contest between the bus driver's son and the son of a billionaire. and, frankly, the issues in london range from income inequality to its severe shortage in affordable housing to a breaking or broken transportation system. when it came down to it, sadiq khan was the voters' choice. >> it certainly is historic.
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we'll have a lot to watch with him. >> a week after comedian larry wilmore used the "n" word, it is still generating lots of conversation. so he sat down with reverend al sharpton to talk about his choice. >> tell me why you did it. you knew it was going to cause controversy and people like me was going to say it was inn inexcusable. >> it was to me at the point where i wanted to make a statement more than a joke. by the way, i'm -- >> would you say it again? >> i could have said my brother, sure, sure. absolutely. >> you can catch the entire interview tomorrow morning right here on nbc.
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that there have been over 850,000 registrations between january 1st and march 31, twice as much as was registered in the same period in 2012. what do you think's been fueling this? >> well, we've soon a massive growth in voter registration and it obviously because of enthusiasm about this nationalized election. we just this morning got in data from l.a. county looking at their most recent registration and it hit higher peaks than in the new york trial rp. it high et cetera speaks in voter registration were on super tuesday and other brig primary mates. slot the early signs of voter enthusiasm are always the growth in voter registration. >> indiana kind of took the wind
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over the summer as voters react to his candidacy. on the democratic side, we still have a vibrant and close race hillary clinton is ahead in the polling. however, if you look at new registrants and we're expecting the new registrants to grow to upwards of 1.5 million new voters before the election, they are very strongly supportive of the sanders campaign and so we have essentially two different types of the electorate coming into a june 7th election where voters on the national scale, you know, the elites might think, well, this election is over. the newspapers might say this election is over. but in the hearts of voters, it's still something they want to go out and participate in and they want to vote not based on what somebody's algorithm says or what somebody's polling says, but they want to go out and vote based on their passion for this election. >> okay, paul, we're running a little bit out of time, going to
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starting to receive at voter latino messages from parents that say the 6-year-old and 7-year-old daughters coming home that are american born saying they are getting mocked by their fellow classmates and they'll be deported once president trump takes you s office, that's awfu. you can't think of something worse than threatening your daughter's safety and making them question whether they are american or not and making them feel less than the other. >> that's bad at any level, 6 and 7-year-olds, come on. two of the names floated as possible running mates new mexico governor susanna martez and former rival marco rubio. is it naive to think a latino vice president would help or do you think it's possible? >> i think it's looking at the candida candidates. rubio has some traction within the latino community, but susana martinez has a very tough record in new mexico and had a couple
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of run-ins with the law so i don't think she's a good candidate. let's take a step back you had the individual talking about the surge in california voter registration. there has been a 98% surge of latinos in california registeringing to vote. i know you're from california, alex, so i'll share with you it's almost a 187 moment on a national scale with donald trump. if you remember proposition 187 was a proposition promoted by governor pete wilson who was hoping to basically win the non-latino vote and what he did by passing that piece of legislation was all of a sudden solidify california into a solidly blue state. we're having and hearing the exact same conversations now. people that didn't imagine that they were going to become u.s. citizens all of a sudden having those conversations and not only registering to vote but also deciding this is not -- this is an election where they cannot sit out. >> okay. thank you so much. sorry for the brevity of the
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