historical race and follow all of the twists and turns and surprises and that we're going to wrap it up, but before we do we want to say a very happy mother's day to all of our mothers who we are dubbing today the real warriors. >> in addition to the embeds. >> in addition to the embeds. >> exactly. >> hi, mom. >> hi, mom. >> happy mother's day. thanks for joining us on this saturday afternoon. it's 3:00 p.m. on the east coast, noon out west. this hour we're keeping our eye on spokane, washington, where donald trump is expected to speak at a rally moments from now. washington holds its republican primary later this month, but trump the presumptive republican nominee is clearly looking ahead to a general election face-off with hillary clinton. on the campaign trail in oregon he attacked clinton for her husband former president bill clinton's pasti discretions, take a listen. >> nobody in this country and maybe in the history of the

country politically was worse than bill clinton with women. he was a disaster. he was a disaster. i mean, there's never been anybody like this. and she was a total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. >> today meanwhile, hillary clinton inched and we mean inched closer to winning the democratic nomination with a win in the guam caucus. but we begin this hour with the presumptive gop nominee donald trump who is holding two campaign events today in washington state. he's about to appear at a campaign rally in spokane, and later on in linden. cal perry joins us now live from spokane. cal, washington state, probably in the eyes of many seems to be more of a bernie sanders kind of territories. what's the scene like out there? >> reporter: yeah, it's a very liberal state and certainly in the western part of the state in

seattle it's liberal. here in the eastern side a little more conservative, but we're waiting for donald trump to arrive and start his speech and we've had a pretty big influx of protesters i think it's grown to three or four dozen and the police are trying to keep the pro-trump people on this side of the zwawk asidewal the anti-trump people on this side. and we've been asking what do you make of trump's message about women and his military and his military message is something that's playing here. take a listen -- >> i'm going into the military and trump's the only one that i believe can rule our military unlike -- treat our military personnel right. >> reporter: let me show you a couple of the signs here. hate ain't great. that's a pretty classic one. thank you very much, sir. i know signs, i make the best signs, they're terrific, dumb trump. this is the kind of attitude that people have here. and we've seen a big back and forth. the thing the police are worried about as police are leaving will

they bump into the protesters. after this rally trump is headed two hours north of seattle. originally that was supposed to be a rally in seattle. i think after the may day protests last week the seattle police department not up for another clash. >> you heard cal talk about the rally expected to take place later today and we'll be moving on to that in linden, washington, where trump will appear three hours from now. that's where nbc is live what's the mix like when the trump supporters and protesters? are we seeing something similar to what cal was showing us with the people gathering outside this event? >> reporter: so far not at all. there really is no mix. we've seen one or two protesters here but this town is about 12,000, 13,000 people strong. a small population. you can see people are starting to go inside here. and it is 90% white. this is known as a backbone of

the republican party here in washington. and you can see all these people have come here to pack this arena that is a really a state fairgrounds. this venue holds about 5,000 people. which if you think about it has to almost half of this town, so it's going to be interesting to see how trump plays here with all these people coming to see them, with so many republicans in town, you have to imagine that many of them may have had some other republican candidates in mind and so they have now dropped out. trump is now coming into town and so we're going to see how he does, whether his message resonates with them. it's also going to be interesting to see if he continues some of those attacks that we heard earlier yesterday in particular attacks against elizabeth warren. there were some attacks some back-and-forth between elizabeth warren and trump. elizabeth warren saying he's a bully and he only had one play in his playbook. we've actually got a little bit of the sound from donald trump yesterday in response to

elizabeth warren. take a listen. >> i think that hillary should run with goofy elizabeth warren. i would love to beat them. i would love to beat them. so, so i just heard, you know, they're doing the whole she plays her woman card, right? hillary clinton plays -- it's the only card she has because honestly, without that card she would get nobody voting for her. nobody. >> reporter: and we have some tweets from both of them. they are engaged in a very vicious tweet war. if we can pull up some of those after that speech. donald trump sent out om speech goofy elizabeth warren and her phony native american heritage on a twitter rant. she is easy. i am driving her nuts and warren responding goofy for a guy with the best words that's a pretty lame nickname. of course, warren's name has been floated around as a

potential pick for hillary clinton as a vice presidential nominee. so, it's going to be -- it's going to be seen whether or not he keeps going after elizabeth warren or he has another message here. i want to show you something real fast across the street here we've got seattle pd, we are about two hours away from seattle and they have brought in about 30 officers on bikes just in case things get out of hand, of course, we're going to be monitoring this and bring you any updates as they come. eamon, back to you. >> gadi schwartz live for us in lynden, washington. while republican voters have lined up behind trump republican leaders on the other hand are deeply divided. some are falling in line behind the nominee, some are vowing to sit this election out and a few are planning to back hillary clinton. it's an incredible rupture of a major political party something we've really never seen in modern american history. joining me now to discuss all of this is the former chairman of the south carolina republican party and national political reporter from bloomberg politics

jennifer jacobs. thank you for joining us. cane, cain, if you can start wh you, let's talk about the fault lines in the republican party. jeb bush and lindsay graham refusing to vote for trump this november but others like dick cheney and bob dole who threw their support behind trump in the last 24 hours. which is determining which republicans will back trump and which won't? >> you are not hearing a lot of republicans saying they will vote for hillary clinton which in the end will be a unifying factor for the republican party. it was a brutal primary. donald trump was pretty good at running for political office in a primary. one thing i'll tell you now once hillary clinton and elizabeth warren want to jump into the gutter with donald trump, that's where they'll lose the fight. because that's where he's the best. the unifying thing the republicans will have is the supreme court justices, it's now

between donald trump and hillary clinton that's what it will be. and there will be disaffected bernie sanders voters and it will probably be the most unique political event we've seen in modern history. a lot of it's going to be fun. great for the news media. hard on some of us back home that donald trump is recast the mold of everything we've ever told politicians not to do, donald trump's gotten away with it. >> jennifer, paul ryan obviously, you know, speaker of the house saying he's not ready to endorse donald trump but announcing yelled that the two are going do meet in washington next thursday. what's the strategy here behind paul ryan's decision and what can we expect out of that meeting? >> yeah, it depends on who you talk to. if you talk to conservatives they say, listen, it's up to paul ryan to unify the republican party right now, you know, donald trump is the presumptive nominee and it's up to the establishment to come and rally around him like evangelicals were asked to come and rally around past

presidential nominees like mitt romney and john mccain even though they didn't like them. one gop consultant told me yesterday that, you know, listen, paul ryan needs to understand that the voters want change. people -- he said people just want to see their bridges repaired. they don't care if their bridge is named after a democrat or republican. but if you ask establishment republicans they say paul ryan is trying to unify people. if you figure out -- if you listen to what he's doing behind the scenes he's doing a lot. he's doing a lot to help members of the house. he did a $500,000 worth of fund-raisers in i'm alone. he did 14 fund-raisers for his members. he's going around helping people whether they are a very conservative member, for example, like jim jordan who is part of the house freedom kaw cul caucus, he did a fund-raiser for him. he helps those who stick their neck out for the party and for the conservative agenda. >> this week mitt romney met privately with bill kristol who

is trying to draft an gent candidate for president. do you think a third party candidate would have a chance or do you think whoever it is if there is even a third party candidate, would that take votes away from donald trump if it emerges let's say from, for example, the republican camp? >> everyone knows that would doom any of the republicans' chances of nominating three supreme court justices. donald trump's won. some people are going to have to have trouble getting used to that. filing an independent candidate whether it's governor romney or any of the bunch that's trying to do that, it's probably a wasted effort. they might have fun. it might sound like a good idea. but at the end of the day we've got hillary clinton versus donald trump. that's what it is. we're going to have to prepare to go to battle and see what happens. right now we've got a senate to look after. a congress to look after. paul ryan who is doing a tremendous job of not trying to be head of the party of no and get things done. so, you know, i'm encouraged

with what i see right now as far as the way it's matching up. hillary clinton was the one we wanted to run against. i'll remind everybody, i remember being in a room saying how can we help this guy named barack hussein obama who had never even run a lemonade stand, no experience, how can we help him beat hillary clinton because we can for sure beat him. so, anybody that thinks they can read the tea leaves in politics and poll numbers count right now, they might want to go back to 2008 when we were all high-fiving that obama had beat hillary and now we're eight years later and see what we have. >> jennifer, who is the de facto leader of the republican party? is it donald trump now that he's the presumptive nominee? is it somebody like paul ryan who is the speaker of the house or is it somebody like mitt romney who is, you know, the last nominee of the republican party? >> right. it's really split and there are members of the gop elite who want someone else to be the presidential nominee. bill kristol is going to keep name dropping to keep the conversation going because the

gop elites want to find someone acceptable to run and someone with gravitas with big name i.d. to run and there really is an appetite for that, but as far as mitt romney running in a third party, i've talked to some people who are close to governor romney and it doesn't sound like he's interested but there are others. jeb bush i talked to a source close to him and he's also interested in finding someone to run for a third party. it's just so split right now. >> thank you, i'll ask you to stick around. and moving on to other aspects of this the biggest republican effort to stop donald trump is now backing away from attacking the presumptive nominee, in fact, the anti-trump super pac is shifting its focus to supporting downballot republicans who may be at risk with trump at the top of the ticket. joining me now a senior adviser to our principles back ken blackwell and also former secretary of state of ohio. sir, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. your group has argued that trump would be bad for the country.

so, why stop your efforts now that he is one step closer to actually becoming the president or at least securing the nomination for the presidency? >> our principles has always been concerned with advancing the principles that have defined the republican party. free markets, limited government, strong national defense. one of the things that we have always understood is that we are the majority party in this country. we have a sizable majority in the house of representatives. we have a majority in the senate. and we have more governors, more chambers of state legislatures across the country. so, we are party that has a philosophy and a track rormd of winning. the question is will, in fact, donald trump choose to unify the republican party or will he, in fact, choose to redefine the republican party into something other than it has been in terms of our long march to being the

majority party from top to bottom in the united states. that's why what paul ryan is doing next week is so important to get himself, the chairman of the party and donald trump in a room and say, is this about unifying the party or do you want to try to redefine the party and if you want to try to redefine the party you, in fact, have shown a side of you that is disconcerting. this guy has been for government controlling one-fifth of the economy. he is, in fact, talked about retrenching in terms of advancing our interests nationally. and what he's most -- he's talked about walking away from some very fundamental religious liberty issues which are at the heart of what has made us not a government-centered society, but an individual and god-centered society. >> so, let me ask you, then, now

in terms of the actual trend, because the trend is very interesting, the historical trend. you are trying to protect downballot republicans who could be vulnerable with trump at the top of the ticket. and recent years they voted for a senator and president from different parties what are your efforts to try to reverse the trend do you think? >> well, again, our principles are looking at what you just described as down-party -- down-ballot protection. but the reality is the trump forces better not get so brag doshs that they st. louis this fight. there can be a third party candidate in five crucial states if, in fact, that candidate can beat both hillary clinton and donald trump in three or four or five states -- >> yeah.

>>-- neither of the major candidates will have 270 electoral college votes. it will throw the decision into the people's house, the howuse f representatives, to make a choice between the top three vote-getters and i'd say trump better sit back and understand that he is building up a force of opposition that can create that scenario. >> all right. ken blackwell, we'll have to leave it at that. thank you very much for your insights. the delegate math looking harder and harder for bernie sanders, the vermont senator is now threatening a party platform fight at the convention. and next the latest on the wildfire that is threatening thousands in canada. why that fire could double in size today. stay with us. heart valve problem, pradaxa helps stop blood cells from pooling in the heart... forming a clot... which can travel to the brain and cause a stroke. pradaxa was better than warfarin at reducing stroke risk in a study. in the rare event of an emergency, pradaxa has a specific reversal treatment

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turning now to canada where officials warn a devastating wildfire near alberta could double in size in a matter of hours. the fire has already forced the evacuation of nearly 90,000 people. 12,000 residents were evacuated by air. dry shifting winds are fueling the flames that have already destroyed more than 385,000 acres. joining on the phone from victoria is nbc's miguel almaguer. why are they worried about this fire? >> they face a triple threat. it's very hot. it's very windy and the humidity here is very low. it's the perfect combination for fire and that's really what's driving this fire today. as you mentioned it's a very, very large fire. 250,000 -- 250,000 acres yesterday. they expect this blaze to literally double in size today because those conditions are so ripe for disaster so they are trying to bring in as many

firefighters as they can to kind of gain an upper hand here but they are very, very far from doing that, in fact, there is zero% containment here. they know they've lost at least 1,600 homes. that number will likely skyrocket in the days ahead. firefighters haven't been able to count the number of homes that they have lost. it's gone through ft. mcmurray and entered the neighboring city and later on today they are worried it will continue to steamroll across this area as the fire feeds on all of these millions of dead trees in the forested area out here, ayman. >> miguel, do you know what -- do they have a sense of what caused this fire? >> right now it appears -- i mean, it's still very early in their investigation. but they believe it's a lightning-driven fire. there was a lightning storm in this area. they believe it was sparked by lightning in the forested area. it then probably brewed for a few days and in the fact in the beginning firefighters thought they had this place thoroughly well managed and it was burning

on the edge of the forest and then it simply exploded on mond monday, and it really doubled in size on that day and that's when it first made its way into the neighboring area of ft. mcmurray and exploded over the next few days as well. >> all right, stay safe out there. thanks for that update. we'll turn back to politics next. while a new poll shows that hillary clinton winning the election, may be actually sounding an alarm bell, though, for her. stay with us. ♪ ♪ you live life your way. we can help you retire your way, too. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase. so you can.

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the democratic side but the sanders campaign isn't having it vowing to put up a fight in the remaining primary contests. today clinton won the guam caucuses over bernie sanders and picks up four delegates plus one superdelegate to sanders' three. that brings her total to eight because she already had eight superdelegates from the territories. as they pivot further toward a general election matchup with donald trump. joining me is nbc's kelly o'donnell. good to have you with us. clinton is now obviously beginning to broaden her message for a general elector rat. what's the strategy here at play? >> reporter: well, ayman, there is sort of a careful dance that clinton is doing, for example, i covered several of her events in recent days and here in california where the primary is june 7th. she makes careful use of her time to say to california voters, be sure to turn out on june 7th. but at the same time in her remarks she talks about november and has given much more of her attention to donald trump in her stump speeches than she has to

bernie sanders of late. talking about trump in several different ways, saying that even if she weren't running for president she would be trying to stop him from getting to the white house saying that all that is coming from the other side, meaning republicans, is insults and slogans whereas she claims she's laying out specific proposals on a range of issues. one area where she does differ on bernie sanders is on college affordability. he's drawn in omani young voters in the country talking about a plan to make college free for those who want to seek higher education. clinton says that might go just too far because that would include paying for college of children for billionaires, billionaires meanwhiling people like donald trump. so she says her plan is about debt-free college making it possible for students to get their education without being burdened by thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in debt. so, the unity issue is something the clinton campaign is trying to bring together having elected officials from california here

in this case who are from the democratic party stand up for her. and talking about the fact that there's more that they have in common than that divides us. at the same time the clinton campaign is careful to say the process with bernie sanders can play out but they are eager to turn toward november. ayman? >> all right, my thanks to nbc's kelly o'donnell live for us in san francisco there. well, in an ger view with nbc's rachel maddow last night senator sanders said he's not bowing out of the primary race anytime soon. take a listen. >> is it within reach for you to get a majority of of pledged delegates? >> it is a steep climb uphill and i will not be dishonest with you. we have to quiwin about 65% of votes. we'll wage the fight. >> joining me to discuss is it executive director of the new york state democratic party and the national political reporter for bloomberg politics. good to have you both with us.

a lot of questions with the democratic party one of the big ones perhaps is bernie sanders now harming the party? t "the boston globe" wrote that you see a politician in transition he talks more about winning upcoming contests than winning the nomination that once seemed plausible to his supporters. is he doing more harm to the party staying in the ration or should he drop out? >> i don't think he's doing more harm to it. there may be a lot of people that may believe democrats should find a way to get him out. that's not who we are. we've not done that. there's a school of thought that says the kind of energy and enthusiasm he's building for his campaign if he keeps the momentum going to july he keeps a lot of the supporters with him. when he switches to support hillary clinton and everybody focuses on donald trump in the fall. so, there may be some benefit to him continuing to energize the base but i think his language will have to change as though -- as they look more towards the

fall. >> speaking of language, jennifer, yesterday sanders addressed the convention question with rachel maddow, here's what he said about it -- >> what we want is a fair representation at the convention. we want our people to be in a position to help shape the document of the democratic -- the platform of the democratic party. as we go into the democratic convention, the democratic party has got to open its doors to those young people. to those working people who now do not feel much allegiance to the democratic party and that means the democratic party has got to be very clear about which side it is on. >> so, the sanders campaign has petitioned the dnc for adequate representi itioation at the conn particularly on the committees. how much will sanders be able to influence the party flat form in philadelphia this summer? >> if you ask sanders supporters what they see is voter roll purges and machine count rigging

and a contested convention and, you know, a little bit of fbi drama thrown in there so they want bernie sanders there to be a watchdog and they want him to be there to influence all these committees and in philadelphia. they want him to have a role. they say, you know, look, if you talk to bernie sanders people who really know him say he truly cares about these economic issues and he's worried about the concentration of wealth and this is his time when he can throw around his clout a little bit and weigh in on issues and have his people weigh in on issues such as trade and minimum wage and really try to getting? done to truly push forward some change. >> here is a poll that came out this week and it kind of takes a look at who is supporting hillary clinton and perhaps why they're supporting her. it was actually kind of startling a little bit. and we have it is up there on the screen for our voters. it's essentially saying that 51 of those that would be voting for hillary clinton are doing so in opposition to donald trump. 48% are doing it because they support hillary clinton and her policies. is that problematic?

is that an issue of concern that you're getting so much, nearly half of your voting base is doing so because they actually hateson they a the other candid? >> because we're focused on this big personality of donald trump and hillary clinton has been talking a lot about donald trump as opposed to bernie sanders. i think there's a lot of attention focused on the now republican nominee. but if it's a question about enthusiasm because i know that's come up before and she's got 3 million more votes than bernie sanders in this race and certainly more delegates. i do think there's an enthusiasm for her. i don't think that is exclusive of the fact that there is momentum shift and i think a dialogue shift in terms of how -- how we're focused on beating trump in november. >> jennifer, as hillary clinton looks towards a general obviously one of the big decisions is about a possible vice presidential choices. sanders also left the door open on a possible vice presidential nomination. do you think the clinton campaign is seriously

considering him and more importantly should they consider him to try to bring his voters into their mix? >> yeah, nobody's sprilings urpt bernie wants to stay in the conversation and be as flu influential as possible. he's going to say in this and keep trying to wield his influence in order to shoehorn himself into the highest position he can possibly get. >> all right. my thanks very much to jennifer jacobs and basel for joining us. another election happened in great britain and more on that historic race and its potential impact on politics here in the united states. pet moments are beautiful,

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this election was not without controversy. and i'm so proud that london has today chosen hope over fear and

unity over division. >> that was london's new mayor sadiq khan celebrating his resounding election win. he was officially sworn in today and becomes london's first ever muslim mayor after overcoming blistering attacks during the campaign. his opponents tried to use his muslim faith against him in many ways resembling the kind of fear politics we're seeing in our elections back here at home. joining me is christopher dickey an msnbc contributor. this is a very historic election in london no matter how you justify it or explain it, but there is a question as to whether or not sadiq khan was elected because of his policies, because of what he represents, or was it a vote as he was saying against the opponent and what has oftentimes been described as a racist and divisive campaign against him? >> well, i think there are a lot of issues that can be raised,

but the way they were raised by zac goldsmith really did sound ralesist i racist to a lot of people and it was just a sense that the conservatives were going far too far this time. also, remember, this comes on the heel of the conservative mayor the last eight years boris johnson who just a couple of weeks ago was talking about president barack obama as the son of a kenyan and basically saying he was hostile to british policy on the eu because he came from a colonial background. this is crazy stuff and i think people in london were sick of it. >> let's talk a little bit about the implications of this. obviously, you know, you and i spent a lot of time in europe recently. we both are accusely aware of the issue of islam phobia that exists there. what are the implications of london electing a muslim mayor on the issue of islamophobia?

>> this is a great possibility if sadiq khan turns out to be a good mayor of london and someone able to unite the country and also, let's face it, if he can give hope to young muslims who feel marginalized in british and european society that is all to the good because that's the best counterextremist policy you can possibly carry out. if, on the other hand, there's still strong elements in british society who vilify him, who accuse him of extremism who say he's weak on terror and if there are any terrorist incidents i think that will be very problemat problematic. >> and he's also partiest labor party and they have been advocating for britain to say part of the eu. do you think this election reinforces the uk's desire to stay in the european union? >> i think that's hard to tell but i think that he definitely represents a current in the labor party that is more

centrist than the current leader of the labor party jeremy corbin who is way out on the left. so, if he is senn trist and pro-europe and gives that credibility from that context that will be all to the good for those people who want to say in europe. >> thank you for your time. appreciate your insights as always. want to go to spokane, washington, where donald trump is speaking live at a rally. let's take a listen to what he has to say. >> they don't have the problem and they go in whatever the time and they have 250 people and we have close to 10,000 people today so it's great. so, what i was going to do -- and i have to thank -- i tell you what, brian, senator brian denzel is great and don benton. big don. they did an incredible job. and what i was going to just say, look, i'll take it easy. but i asked one question. i said, in west virginia where i was going to go first, that was the first stop, i think we would have gotten 95% of the vote.

in fact, the minor miners endos as opposed to hillary clinton who wants all the miners fired. i don't think she'll do well in west virginia in november. and then she went to apologize. the apologies don't work because they know how you really feel, right? so, i said, so let me ask you. so, west virginia, should i go there. well, it has been set up, mr. trump. you mean people are getting ready? yes. i'll go. they said, but you don't have to. we can cancel it. you don't understand, i'll go. they said what about oregon? we had an unbelievable thing. and they said oregon's been set up. i said, really? it's been set up. done. people. i said i'll go. i said, what about nebraska? we have a great governor, a great guy. i really like him. his family i don't know about but we'll find out. i think i might like the family,

too. i'll probably like the family, too. but governor rickets, a great governor, a great guy. he introduced me. i said what about nebraska? well, that one's been set up also. have to go. but they said, you don't have to. i said have to go. and then we got out here, the state of washington, the state of washington. and i said, what about -- what about washington? they said, well, over there you have two. i said don't tell me that! i stead have they been set up? yeah, they've been set up. so, i said i'm going to washington, folks. i'm going to washington. but you have to promise me something. on may 24th, may 24th, you got to go out and vote. and you got to sign the back of those envelopes. you got to put the little thing. if you don't sign, your vote's not going to count. because right now we just about surpassed every presidential nominee, every presidential

candidate in the history of the republican primaries. we have more votes. millions and millions of votes. and, you know, they went through the whole -- >> you are listening there to donald trump in folk cspokane, washington, we'll continue to watch the rally take place. we'll have updates throughout the course of the show and the rest of the day. but moving on to another important issue when it comes to global affairs the american people are saying the united states should play a smaller role. according to a new is your view from the pew research center the majority of americans want the united states to deal with its own problems and let other countries get along as best as they can. joining me now to discuss the findings is carol doherty director of political research at the pew research center. thank you very much, mr. doherty, for join us. >> thank you. >> what's the main takeaway from these numbers for you? do you look at it from a general per sperspective that americans isolationism? >> it's hard to say about isolationism, but people are certainly kind of wary of too

much global involvement even at the same time they recognize the threat from isis and favor military action to deal with it. so, it's basically two-minded. i mean, there is a wariness about becomie ing too deeply involved in the world for sure. >> americas thoughts about america's place in the world divided along party lines and not necessarily surprising to some but by large margins republicans and independents both want america to help out other countries less but democrats are evenly divided. what do you make of this? >> well, i think -- in part you're seeing some of the influence of the presidential campaign, donald trump has kind of made it a signature that we are doing too little -- too much around the world and you see that especially among his supporters. there's a deep wariness of global economic engagement and that's been a key campaign theme of donald trump's. >> on that specific point do you see that the attitudes about america's role in the world are they shaping the presidential race or are they reflecting the

presidential debate that's taking place among the candidates? >> i think it's probably a little bit of both. and i think you'll be seeing the divisions go forward. that's one of the interesting contrasts between, say, hillary clinton supporters who do want more global economic engagement and donald trump supporters who are very negative about it. >> all right. we'll have to leave it at that, sir, but thank you very much for your time this saturday afternoon. >> thank you. next, could the zika virus become a growing threat to sporting events here in the united states? the major move major league baseball just made after this. allergies with nasal congestion?

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confirmed there. baseball is not the latest sport to raise concerns over it, the u.s. women's soccer keep goalkeeper hope solo told "sports illustrated" in february they may not go to the olympics at all. joining us is a professor and ceo of community health tv. thank you for joining us. let's start with the sport worlds reaction to the zeke sca virus. puerto rico's secretary of health said she was outraged at baseball's move insisting puerto rico is, in fact, safe. do you think this decision was based on fear or do you think there is valid, scientific concern here? >> we always have to remember that zika virus is real. it's not, like, it's something that's made up. so, let's be very candid. there is a very serious threat to their country as well as the united states as well as other countries in central and south america because of this virus. it is a mosquito-carried virus and that means you can either gut it from being bitten by a

mosquito or the transmission after someone has bitten by the mosquito and then they have some time of contact with you. now, the bigger problem here is that if you wanted to go to the baseball game or -- and do whatever you wanted to do, that's up to you. but bigger problem here is if you wanted to go to the baseball game that's up to you but the bigger issue is if these men go to puerto rico and play the baseball game then they would come back and if any of them had siymptoms they should not have any sexual activity with their spouses that's anal, oral or vaginal for six months and if they didn't have the symptoms they shouldn't have unprotected sex for six weeks. that's a big imposition because if you do have it and you give it to your spouse and the spouse gets pregnant then you have a real problem. it's very serious. it's not something they should be appalled over. it's a money thing for them and

it's a health thing for us. >> the zika out break effecting large parts of latin america and brazil being the hardest hit with more than 2800 confirmed cases. the virus as you mentioned spread by mosquito bites and sexual intercourse. what is your advice to those traveling in those regions. particularly given the olympics in brazil. and also a lot of fans will be coming from the southern hemisphere from the us. >> this is a real concern and i'm urging people to take this seriously. the only thing you can do is avoid areas low lying with stagnant water and avoid mosquito bites. that's where there's a lot of mosquitos so the issue becomes protect yourself and if i were you i wouldn't travel to some of these countries unless you have

to go. if you are of child bearing age and thinking of being a baby or could be pregnant avoid that travel until we get this thing under control because the summer is here and we can't kill all the mosquitos. >> the reality is throughout the summer in the rainy season and the way the snow hit in the northeast this summer there's going to be a lot of standing water and a lot of mosquitos and needs to be a lot of mosquito

control. this is not anything to play with and we need to step it up a little bit as far as our federal response. >> it is an urgent situation. thank you very much, sir for your time. >> thank you. >> now to another health control. the safety of electronic cigarettes. strict new regulations this past week on e-cigarettes. it's a process that could cost millions of dollars. we're joined by the professor of public interest law at george washington university law school and one of the country's leading anti-smoking advocates that helped drive cigarette commercials off the air. thank you for joining us. health advocates are thrilled for the most part with this announcement but e cigarette makers claim their products are less harmful than traditional cigarettes. >> let's back up for a minute because this is too little too

late. the big headline they're banning the sell of e-cigarettes to kid it's already a law in the 48 out of the 50 states. it gives them cover and it's not going to make any difference. and the fda has no way of inforcing them. it they're going to give them another two or three years to keep this stuff on the market. we already have 3 million high school kids and almost 10 million adults are addicted to this product. they claim it's less hazardous. and they may in fact discourage people from quitting rather than encouraging. >> so from your expert opinion then what would make a difference at this stage of where the industry is and what is happening? >> very simple, let's ban flavors. let's ban bubble gum flavor. they're saying it doesn't appeal to kids. everybody knows that's nonsense. they could put real warnings on there saying this may be more

hazardous because it gives you nicotine and totally unregulated and nicotine is the major cause of heart attacks and the major cause of death from cigarettes. much more restrictions on the advertising. you don't have to wait three years. lives matter in three years you can have a lot more deaths and problems from these than you're going to have from mosquitos. >> let's talk about what one trade group, the smoke free alternative trade association said. these new regulations create an enormously cost prohibitive process for manufacturers to market their products to adult smokers and vapers. it also limits access to the 40 million adult smokers in the u.s. yet to make the switch to vaping and krup ills a multibillion dollars job creating business. >> i think the emphasis has to be on health and not who is making money. whether it puts small businesses out or business or helps the tobacco industry the answer is

how can we stop people for changing for false reasons. they think it will help them quit but we know that many people use this things and smoking is banned on the job and during these they use these and night and get a double whammy. >> in what shape or form does it help big tobacco. >> it's argued they'll be able to make these applications and many of these people that do it in their garages or the back of their stores may be out of business. and they deliver overdoses of nicotine and we have kids in emergency rooms? i don't care who makes them. let's get effective regulations

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>> good afternoon, donald trump with a bit of a dig at hillary clinton. >> after we won i figured well maybe i'll stay home and take it a little bit easy. who would have thought this, trump wins before clinton. do you know why? she can't put the deal away. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders also have their sights in the west. sanders vowing to fight on to california's big june 7th primary. today clinton