janet. what's the reaction been to the lawsuit on the ground and the back and forth now and the push from the state to the doj? >> reporter: well, any conversation, thomas with reaction has to be processed with. this is an election year. if you will notice on this lawsuit, the attorney general is not aparting to it because he's a democrat running for the governor ship against the current governor. this is a little bit of a political story here in north carolina. that had a lot of people thought that the governor might, might use this as the department of justice threat to withhold federal funds as a way to get out gracefully. we are getting this threat and it could cause you money so we are not going to enforce it. that suit being filed is partially financial base. the federal government can now withhold money as it has threaten to do.

we talk about dollars more than $4 billion from the education department to north carolina last year. if you are talking about other businesses, there is a long list of companies from apple to google and papal and to hilton and hyatt that have said, no way, we are not bringing our business there. we condemn this law and it is not the right thing for us. if you talk about the artist from nique jonas there is a lot of debate. another chapter started in march when this bill was passed in a matter of 12 hours and the next chapter will happen in court. >> all this states back to charlotte enacting very open bathroom laws when it comes to how it operates in dealing with the gender neutrality in bathrooms and this is a state's reaction, correct? >> yes. >> so charlotte passed this law

basically protecting transgender people. interesting also, the governor here of north carolina, hp 2 was a reaction to that charlotte law as you indicated. then he said an over reaction, thomas. >> is there anything on the ground there where they have concrete criminal evidence that supports some of the narratives that they would use in a type of stranger danger or a safety precaution that hb 2 demonstrates for the people of north carolina. >> reporter: i sat down with the governor one on one, he did not answer the question. he did answer it to fox news on sunday saying they have no concrete evidence of that. it is a first time we really heard him say there is no precedent in terms of something bad is happening from having this law. >> janet, standby when we are awaiting for the governor to come. the governor did give a statement to fox news just the

other day, we can play a portion of that as we await the governor. >> they're trying to define gender identity and there is no clear identification or definition of gender identity. >> it is a federal government being a bully, we can definitely define the race of people. it is very hard to define transgender or gender identity. >> so janet, thanks to her reporting on the ground there. we are waiting for the governor to come out any minute now to speak about the push back of that the state is giving to the part. i want to bring in our washington post opinion writer and chase is an attorney for the helu, okay, good, i want to make sure i got it correctly. you have been working directly with the heou to combat the law

of north carolina. i know they put out a statement about this. from a legal perspective do they have standing to push back on what the hdoj to have on them. >> we filed it immediately after the law was passed violating title nine and the equal protection laws. this is a political conversation, there are real people in north carolina, real transgender people that are being harmed everyday by this law. governor pat mccory digs in addition to risk in the $4.5 billion in federal funding and notably the lawsuit he has brought does not include a title nine claim around education and provision. they know that because of a recent decision by the fourth circuit. transgender individuals are suffering and that's a critical part of this decision. >> the legal argument of the civil rights act are transgender

americans considered apart of the civil rights act. >> absolutely. >> i mean -- he makes a claim in his lawsuit that the law clearly established the transgender people are not covered by title seven and referred to title nine as well. of course, it actually coming out strongly in other direction that discrimination against transgender individual for purposes of non discrimination law and that's clear in the cases that come out in the last two decades. >> we know there is only 18 states in the country provides legal protection for gender americans. 32 states allowed for a transgender person to be fired or lose housing if they come out as being transgender. many people do not express that in public for fear of being fired in the workplace. >> jonathan, north carolina is

one of the many states facing this anti-trans jgender type of narratives and bills like this. bh when we think of what's happening in north carolina, is this a government solution to a problem that does not exist or does it need interpretation? >> this goes back to the question that you were asking. janet, you were talking about the governor's conversation on fox news yesterday about whether there are any cases what so ever, i understand the governor is out, tom. >> hold on for me. here we go. >> our nation is dealing with a new, complex and an emotional issue. a bound of expectations of privacy and equality in one of the most private areas of our lives. restrooms, locker rooms or public shower facilities.

this was not a north carolina's state agenda. no one in north carolina was talking about bathroom policy until the charlotte's city council imposed a mandate on private businesses. this mandate required with potential penalty of fine and access to restrooms and locker room and shower facilities be based upon one gender identity or gender expression. a similar policy was rejected just months earlier by the voters of houston texas by 61% of the vote. this caused major private concerns of male entering female facilities.

our state legislature believes this was an unnecessary government over reached into the private sector imposing regulations and impacting one's personal privacy. the state's legislature also believe that guidelines need to be put in place because of this new public topic. for government buildings and our schools and rest stops to ensure privacy and expectation privacy for everyone. now, just five days ago, the u.s. department of justice sent letters to my office, the department of public safety which reports this governor and to the university system suggesting that having government employs used the bathroom and locker room or shower facility that corresponds to their biological sex is in conflict with federal policy. the department of justice asked

all parties to set aside their constitutional duties and refuse to follow or enforce our state law. this was a substantial request with very serious implications and the u.s. government gave us a mirror three business days to respond to this letter. we ask on friday that the department of justice for additional time. we ask for additional two weeks but they refused unless i make a statement where i would publicly agree with their interpretation of federal law. and if i did, i would give me one additional week to respond. i could not agree to that because i do not agree with their interpretation of federal law. that is why the morning, i have asked a federal court to clarify what the law actually is.

now, i anticipate our own legislature, other private sector entities from throughout the united states, and possibly other states to join us in seeking this clarification because this is not just a north carolina issue. this is now a national issue and an issue that imposes new law on every private sector employers throughout the united states of america with over 15 employees. we believe a court rather than a federal agency should tell our state or nation and employers across the country what the law requires. let me say something, our nation is one nation especially when it comes to fighting discrimination which i support wholeheartedly.

ultimately, i think it is time for the u.s. congress to bring clarity to our national anti-description provisions under title seven and title nine. let me repeat that one more time to all our representatives and the leaders of both the republican and democratic parties in congress. ultimately, i think it is time for the u.s. congress to bring clarity to our national anti-discrimination provisions under title seven and title nine. now, right now, the obama administration is by passing congress by attempting to rewrite the law and set basic restroom policies and locker room policies for public and private employers across the country and not just north carolina. i am still asking the north carolina legislatures to reinstate the ability to sue for

wrongful termination for discrimination of state court. i encourage them to do this and do it quickly. i also welcome additional dialogue where the city of charlotte and state legislature which has been ongoing for the past week. and i want to ensure the people of our state and our country that north carolina has long held traditions of ensuring equality. >> the majority of our citizens and our great state and this governor did not speak out this issue. however, the state of north carolina and this governor welcome the opportunity to be apart of this solution for all of the states and especially our nation. the greatest nation of the united states of america. thank you very much. >> all right, we are listening to governor pat mccory and the ongoing controversy over the north carolina bathroom bill. the department of justice wanted

him to agree with their interpretation of federal law. he also gave the out line of time, three business days for him to do so. and, now in the mix is the funding, north carolina's education, the state will get or may not get because of what hb 2 of the law that went in effect in north carolina in the spring means. there is legal battle going back and forth. the state has pushed back the department of justice say they're filing on the grounds of civil rights act, it is not appropriate. our msnbc's chief correspondence is joining me now. let's talk about the interpretation of federal law. in april, the fourth circuit ruled on a case in virginia. the fourth circuit oversees north carolina. is there legal standing on a doj perspective on what this bathroom needs.

headline coming out of press conference here is north carolina is doubling down on the approach here. this is of course as you reported something that got to a climax because of the department pushing explicitly to north carolina. this has been the obama doj's position for sometimes dating back to 2014 where eric holde, o of course, the predecessor said the government wants to treat the transgenders as a protected class. that now applies here in the transgender context. the other big thing of fact checking of what we heard just now, what we are hearing from governor pat mccory is a narrative or a story where he was responding to local development in his state and a local ordinance that he disagreed with regard to whether

people should be protected on this way or not. >> these types of proposals have been introduced in many states and often in direct reaction to the supreme court ruling upholding same-sex marriage and by some seeing it as a direct attempt to sort of find the political winning issue around bathrooms or some folks could call a extra credit syum. >> all right, thanks so much. standby for us, i want to go back to janet on the ground there. you were listening to this and a few points you want to make. >> reporter: it is important to know there is no legal president threatening the state to take away your money because you are enacting in a law that you don't

disagree. you have to go back to brown verses the board of education in the 1950s where the southern states not willing to des desegregate. it has been half a century since we have seen the government stepping in. >> it is a tremendous amount of leverage that the government is using. >> chase, let me bring you back into the conversation especially to what it comes to what a lot of people are confused of this bill and the danger stranger aspect of this, if you identify as transgender, it is a gender identity, it is not a sexualization issue or any type of disorder that there is a fear being stoked in north carolina. as we learn as a country, explain the difference for folks

between gender identity or critical identity. >> we are talking about these laws, we are not talking about getting rid of gender bathrooms all together. what we are saying, transgender women are allowed to go to the women's bathroom. all charlotte did was say you cannot discriminate against people because they are gay or transgender. the law that mandates the discrimination. a transgender person who has a gender identity that deferred from the sex that they were assigned at first. it does not have anything to do. all they're doing in the bathroom is going to the bathroom. it does not increase public safety incidents and never led to some sort of mid foul play in the bathroom because you decided as a government to protect transgender people. this is a myth and a confusion. >> standby for me.

>> let's listen in. >> what the government has done is inconsistent of the best interest of the people of north carolina and the economy of north carolina. that'll be something that north carolina's officials have to deal with. there is been reluctant on businesses that have committed on expanding the amount of business they do in north carolina from engaging with a government that just makes it easier to discriminate against their employees and potential customers. >> what's the ramification of iran test firing another missile? >> comments about the north carolina ba carolina's bathroom law. i want to go to jonathan. one thing that came out on the conversations of all this and i

think a lot of heavy emphasis is transgender americans are being demonized as some type of predator and that's what is being used here and the catalyst being used to move this forward. >> the houston move that passed and if you remember the campaign around that houston so called bathroom bill got so ugly that there is an ad for the pro-so called bathroom law that are ran on the air that was so disturbing and wrong on so many levels. there are people out there who specifically who are just waiting for this lawo pass so that they can use that as an excuse to go into the women's room and prey on women and little girls as we show in that ad. that law did pass. i found it interesting as governor pat mccory mentioned that. this is a battle and

conversation that the state of north carolina did not seek out. he talked about how he complaincomplain how the federal government did not grand them the extension. i bring the timing up because if you recall the state legislature both houses of the legislature and the governor debated and passed this north carolina law in less than 24 hours. so, if they had enough time to pass that law, they certainly should have enough time to answer the government's lawsuit. >> again, this is a fast and swift request that's moving so quickly federal funding for education. >> jonathan and chase, thank you very much. >> of course, we got some new moves to talk about on the

political front here. donald trump is trying to overt on his candidacy. chris christie is now leaving his white house transition team, what does it mean? as we count down to the capitol cliff hanger. what i mean by that is the big meeting that trump has with paul ryan on thursday.

in the middle of a perfect political storm, donald trump has capped chris christie to help to trump transition team chairman. christie's appointment came. >> she was an unbelievably nasty, mean, enabler and what

she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. so put that and see what happens. >> which is it? >> are you willing to raise taxes on the .1%? >> let me explain how the work works? >> for the rich folks, it will go up. >> i got some endorsements but i did not get it from ryan, that's a hard one. >> i have to stay true to my principles, also, i am a conservative, this is the republican party and not the conservative party. >> thursday's capitol cliff hanger coming that's when the nominee faces off with the house speaker paul ryan of this battle for the right to lead the republican party, we got this covered of this republican civil war as it happens. more on donald trump's stunning

rehears reversal on taxes. opening the door to an increase for the wealthy. a series of interviews trump gave on this topic and it shows the evolution that trump gives on the matter. take a look. >> do you believe raising taxes on the wealthy? >> i do, i do. including myself. >> mr. trump on the tax front ic given that you champion on so many speeches, 40% of the tax cuts end up going to the top 1% under the current plan at least as i understand it. >> how do you square that? >> you are not going to say this is our tax plans. there is going to be negotiations back and forth and i can see it going up. to be honest with you, i know i am talking to you folks, we are cutting and during a negotiation, i can see that going up. >> in an interview earlier this week, you seem to say, oh, my

tax plans is not set in stones and maybe i will raise taxes on the rich. >> which is it? are you willing to raise taxes on the 1%? >> let me explain how the world works, nobody knows more about taxes than i do and income than i do. i will explain it how it works. i come up with the biggest tax cut by far of any candidate, anybody and i put it in. that does not mean that's what we are going to get. we have to negotiate. >> the wealthy needs to pay more taxes. what do you define the wealthy by the way? >> let me explain something. i am putting in a plan. i have to negotiate with senators and congressmen, the fact that i put in a plan. >> bottom line, do you want taxes on wealthy to go up or down? >> they'll go up a little bit and they may go up. >> but they're going down in your plan. >> by the time it is negotiated, it will go up.

>> everybody is getting a tax cuts especially the missile class. and i said i may have to increase it on the wealthy, i am not going to allow it to be increase. i am not talking about increasing from this point, i am talking about increasing from my tax proposal. >> katy tur is covering the trump's campaign as response to donald trump. let's speak into this first. we have donald trump in his own words about his policy. is this really a problem as you prepare to sit down with paul ryan as a flip-flop. he tweeted again a minute ago and saying he's lowering taxes far more than any candidate. what he's trying to do is clarified his initial statement

and to clarify this with what he said on the today show. >> he would raise taxes on himself and the wealthy of the 1%. this of what he's been doing is clearly something that has a real ramification in washington and the republican party and paul ryan. the republicans are anti-petitioning on them to raise taxes and anti-cynical to the past positions. they have never come out and said the wealthy should be tax more. you can see donald trump is trying to walk that back. the issue that he has is that nobody really understands what his positions are because every thing seems to change all the time. >> one thing we do know for sure of the position he has on chris christie being charged on the transition team if he were to become president. that's a memo that was sent out today that erupted headlines.

they got it. >> it comes on the hill of an interesting article that says there are a number of folks and candidates for jobs that would not sign onto, trump's administration would not be obliging to him as president. this chris christie's announcement is pushing it back and somebody who they have in their back pocket who has a good relationship with folks on capitol hill and folks in washington. his relationship has certainly been hurt ever since he signed on with the trump campaign. we have a long time to go and he's not the president as of now. >> the honey moon phase seems to be over. he's going to the general. >> although he's going for the jugular when it comes to hillary clinton and going after bill clinton and alleging his

conduct, is that going to build voters? >> i think you have to see. in terms of republican female voters, so far, that has not heard him and we have been to so many rallies are where women are hearing hillary's hats and shirts and crude and rude shirts that you could not repeat on television with sexual inouendos. i find it hard to believe that's an argument talking about bill clinton's past and discretions, that's appealing to people and here in this country. do trump campaign knows that? they do realize that if they have any hope, it is to mitigate that gender gap and not to close it and focus on older white women. >> katy tur, it is always great to see you. thanks so much.

rick tyler is our political analyst and so she joins me now. when we talk about the financial policy, is he trying to get to the left supporting the fact that minimum wage should go up and taxes should go up on the wealthy but let's negotiate it. is that all pragmatic political talks? >> i have to tell you this, i predicted that this weeks ago that he's trying to get on her on many topics and here you have it on the minimum wage and raisingrais raising taxes on the wealthy. >> and also, the idea is not going to self fund this campaign. it is a big selling point to his donor or supporters that i am not going to pay for and now there is full reversal son that. for him, it seems to be pragmatic. the problem with the republican

party is that he does not seem to stand for anything. remember, his negotiating, he was a solemn self great negotiator and he told chuck todd on sunday that his plan is a four and that is the beare minimum and he will negotiate a way for his position. that does not seem to be a strong position to go in his economic plan. >> the position he holds moving into this meeting on thursday with priebus and speaker ryan, what do you make of this tug of war between these two men and who stands to lose the most? >> you know completely mishan e mishandled. this is something they could told the press to say, the ryan's endorsement did not come to a time so the story could be paul ryan meet to hash out a

republican agenda for the 2016 election. instead, it is paul ryan not ready to endorse yet and donald trump immediately bashes him and mocks him about not endorsing him. paul ryan is conservative, he's keeping the majorities for tr republican of the house. he wants my guess, he wants to negotiate with donald trump to really get him to act more like a president. what he does not want is all his members who are running for re-election to keep thinks speaker ship and adding to the ranks to challenge candidates and democrats. he does not want to see microphones put in their face and asked to comment on trump's daily utter. >> trump brought up the issue of having speaker ryan to move.

ryan given a quote says that he will step down if donald trump asked him to do so. >> the ball is in donald trump's court and we'll see how it rolls out. that meeting is on thursday. rick tyler, it is great to see you. that brings us to our polls question today, the question being "will donald trump's muddled positions hurt him in the general election"? share your votes with us and belle give you polling results coming up at this hour. cles.™ to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up

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paying for. msnbc's jacob soboroff is here with us and getting reactions of trump back and forth on the issue on taxes. jacob, i understand that you are at a hair salon. >> reporter: yeah, i met a nice woman, lesley montana, we are here with lesley who's a republican for montana and you heard what donald trump said about raising taxes on the wealthy, how do you feel about that? >> i don't have any problems on it. i am going to trust him. >> reporter: it is sort of a no-no as what i have been saying for a republican candidate to say sure, taxes are going to go up. don't forget george bush, read my lips and no taxes. are you worried at all? >> i think it is tough to put any one group to be in a group and to say all republicans will never raise taxes. that's not republican. we are not quite as bad as

people put us out to be. >> reporter: that's what donald trump and what he wants. i want to talk to durante who's a haircutter here and i want to talk to him about being a democratic here. you heard of what donald trump had to say. would you be incline to support donald trump because of this? >> that's the whole thing of donald trump. one day is one thing and another day is another. we'll see. i am more independent and i am opened to some one that can run the white house properly. >> reporter: again, that's what donald trump wants you to believe. you heard it here in beverley hills. it is first for me. i am going to throw it back to you. >> many first coming towards your way as you continue this jacob touring. you will go to a lot of interesting places. msnbc's jacob soboroff.

donald trump and paul reyan will have a lot to talk about. paul ryan says he's not ready to endorse trump yet. i want to bring in our milwaukee radio host, charlie, we know your interview with trump certainly made headlines. you have not moved from that camp. what could the presumptive gop nominee say that would reverse course for you to get you to support him, anything? >> no, for me it is never trump. it is not just an ideology thing but the character and the judgment of the man. paul ryan is not in the never trump campaign. there are things you can say to paul ryan. it is interesting how the trump folks seem to say that paul ryan and other conservatives suggesting unilaterally surrender. what you have been talking about is the reason that paul ryan and conservatives will have question for donald trump and want to sit

down and talk about these things because nobody knows where that trump train is going and where they want anybody to get on quickly. >> priebus is going to meet with donald trump on thursday. do you think there is a difference of what we understand in america or our republicans of what is being demonstrated by trump's campaign and what is as conservative? how they can live in the same party for a specific agenda? >> yeah, well that's obviously, this is the debate and the conversation we need to have. >> what do we stand for and what are the bottom line and where are we going to take this par at the? >> quite frankly, you think of polar opposite of the vision of donald trump and paul ryan's and their style and approach. donald trump is pushing trumpism, i think they'll have a back and forth. it is one thing for donald trump to win this nomination and now

we have to figure out whether or not he can unite the party. the last couple of days, he struck me somebody that's uninterested in uniting the party and unable to unite the party. and meanwhile, here is what sarah palin had to say, take a listen. >> i think paul ryan is soon to be cantor. his political career is over because he disrespected the will of the people. >> sarah palin is supporting a tea party, a wealthy person within wisconsin's first district to go against paul ryan. what will do you make of his opponent or whether or not a tea party back candidates with palin support of the type of leverage or threat to get paul ryan in line? >> yeah, it is kind of interesting of the reaction to his gesture, hey, can we talk is

to bully and threaten him. paul ryan has a 60% rooting in wisconsin. the last time sarah palin in milwaukee, she bombed. almost none of the grass roots tea party folks know this guy. most of the support comes from people parachuting in. it was an indication of what this era of trump is. think about this, now sarah palin becomes the arbitor of what is rational. have we gone to the point where we have sarah palin lecturing us of what paul ryan should ask or what he should do. >> charlie, thank you, it is always great to talk to you. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up next, hillary clinton is facing a tax from both sides, we are talking about bernie sanders digging in for the long hall and donald trump

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hillary clinton just ordered 90 million hit ads on donald trump and women in t. in the history of politics, hillary's husband abused women of more than we know of. did you remember the famous "i did not have sex with that woman" and a couple of months later, i am guilty. he was impeached for lying of

what happened with a woman. she's going to take ads about little donald trump, i don't know, i don't think so. she's playing the women card so much and so loud. he's going to get hit for it because it is not appropriate. >> she was an unbelievable nasty, mean enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. put that in and see what happens. we are seeing donald trump holding nothing back hoping to dig up the most controversial moments of her husband's president will help boost her negatives. does the clinton campaign need to be worried about that? coming up with a draft to respond, wendie davis is a clinton's sporupporter and join me live from austin. it is good to have you with me and we know you are a supporter of clinton. and young women are in favor of her opponents currently in the primari

primaries. do you think it is going to make this harder on young women and using on this line of attack to have confidence in her as a president? it is. they will see donald trump is really trying to do two things right now, trying to shift focus on his inability to articulate any policy platforms that make sense. he's shifting all over the place while doing it. he's trying to shift attention away from what's happening in the fracture of his party, going into the convention. he's also obviously trying to make sure women look at hillary clinton in a more critical way. i don't think he's going to succeed at people doing that. women in this country understand hillary clinton is fighting for the values that matter to us, making sure we have our reproductive autonomy, we have equal pay and family leave. when these two candidates are te tested, people will come down, i feel, very confidently understanding hillary clinton is the person who will advocate for

women in this country. >> we know secretary clinton has given some comment about this, at least what we've seen on the trump campaign trail saying she wants to keep her campaign focused on the issue. i want to play a brief portion of what she had to say yesterday. take a listen. >> i'm not going to run an ughny race. i'm going to run a race based on issues. i know what is really racking the hearts and minds of americans. i'm going to stay focused on that. i hope that that's what the voters will want to hear. >> senator davis, do you think to win over progressive women hearing this line of attack against her may on the face of it say that's a good strategy to stick to the issues but they are secretly hoping she is going to come up with a strategy to ve verbally dress him down when it comes to this type of language and dredging up this type of personal attack against her. >> as a candidate, the hopefully nominee for the democratic

party, hillary clinton is going to stay exactly where she needs to stay, talking about the things that matter to american people. she said as much herself in that interview clip you just played. i believe her strength and her ability to attract women is going to be her continued push for the things that matter to us. we don't necessarily care about what donald trump has to say about hillary clinton. what we care about is what this next president is going to do to advance the interests that we all care so very much about. we don't want to see our candidate getting down into the mud with donald trump on issues like this that don't matter. he's trying very hard to divert attention from his failed record on women and to somehow heap upon her the idea she is a person who is antagonistic to women's values. we've listened and watched donald trump for a very long time. we know where he stands. we know hillary clinton is our

fighter in our corner. >> when it comes to the gop race, and i know you wrote and op-ed, kind of an open letter to ted cruz, basically paving the way for donald trump to become the presumptive nominee last week and i won't go as far to say ted and i have parallel p h paths. we are both from texas and had lengthy filibusters and we both took to the campaign trail for the opportunity to serve and both lost to guys who ran on an anti-immigrant platform. one of the other ideas you have for him is to embrace his job, to go back to the senate with a new passion. you had to step down as a state senator to run for governor. cruz doesn't have to. he gets to go back to washington. would you give him the advice to go back to being the same guy he was, kind of the obstructionist on capitol hill or would you tell him to embrace a different point of view, different

strategy. >> clearly, ted cruz was in the senate with his eye on running for president. he wanted to distinguish himself in a way that was going to allow him the public persona to do that. the question is now, will he go back and actually do the work of being a senator? really, the decision will be for him. i've always found that the american people and certainly texans want to know that we are there working in a bipartisan way, trying to accomplish the goals and what's best for this country. we'll see if ted cruz does that. i'm highly doubtful that's what he will return to the senate to achieve. >> hillary clinton supporter and former texas state senator, wendy davis. great to have you on. thanks for your time. >> thanks, thomas. >> we'll be right back after this.

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