"hardball" with chris matthews is next. would trump dump ryan? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in california where i'll speak at the institute for public policy. did donald trump say i'll fight every man in the house for a dollar? not yet but he's ready to fight the speaker of the house and not worried about party unity. >> does the party have to be together? i'm different perhaps than anybody that's run for office. i don't think so. i have to stay true to my principles, also and i'm a conservative but don't forget, there are conservative parties. >> republican leaders whether to

support trump among those who jumped on board are his former prima pry march opponents and senator land paul and rick perry together with the trump group also includes senator john mccain, bob doll, dick cheney, mitch mcconnell and republican national committee chair reince priebus with trump. senator lindsey graham, jeb bush and nebraska mitt romney, two former presidents george herbert walker bush and george w. bush and paul ryan says he's not ready to back trump yet. while speaker ryan is the chair of the repub connecticut venlicd trump didn't rule out from being the chair. >> if he can't endorse you, do you think he should be chair of the convention? >> i don't want to mention now. i'll see after.

i will give you a very solid answer if that happens about one minute after that. okay? >> fair in. >> no reason to give it now. >> it sounds like i know -- >> well today speaker ryan told the milwaukee journal he would step down. that's definitive there. meanwhile key trump supporter sarah palin went further against reince and said she would back the primary opponent. here she is. >> i think paul ryan is soon to be cantored. his political career is over but for a miracle because he's disrespected the will of the people. as the leader of the gop, the convention certainly he is to remain neutral and for him to already come out and say who he will not support was not a wise decision of his.

>> wow. jeremy peters is the political reporter for "the new york times" writing a lot about this and msnbc contributor and chairman of the union and jennifer ruben is an opinion writer for "the washington post." great group to have on to discuss this state of play. jeremy, you've written about it. i failed to give you credit for another piece. i gave it to pay tritrick haile. it seems when most people get a job, when most people get a job they try to fit in, most people and try to learn the rules and get comfortable and do what they are told. trump has this job. he's the nominee. it's going to happen and getting used to the situation he's going to worry again. he gets ryan. and he says i may not be able to keep you on the party. >> part of this is trump being trump and a modest humble guy

who will go along to get along. part of this is also there is a deeply held indignity. they view him as an illegitimate enter loop. i think it's easy to see why that's the case because he was a democrat. he has not been republican for very long and all of a sudden, now he's going to be the party's nominee. imagine the horror of being priebus or those who seized control of the party who may not be a true conservative and what they want is for trump to validate the sincerity and that will be a hard thing for trump to do in a lot of cases on a lot of issues. >> it's a little late for a vetting process. he's won the nomination. they are asking questions that should have been asked ayear

ago. we know trump does. we agree he stays on offense and doesn't go on television and attacking number two he always wants to master the current opponent and look like a bully or master and also has to keep the role of outsider up front about himself. he never wants to look like one of the club and be in a back room coming out of a back room how we got along. he doesn't want private deals privately agreed upon. he wants to be donald trump against these guys. let me go, what's this thing about as the republican party not conservative. what is he up to saying an amazing thing like that in 2016? >> i kind of don't know. i try to unpack that but i do think that there is a difference between -- for myself, i consider myself a conservative first and republican second and i think part of him is saying look, i ran on conservative themes but i ran under the mantle of republican. i didn't have to run as republican and all of a sudden, you have republicans that made him sign a pledge and not keeping their pledge they would

support the eventual no, ma'min. these are people that believe they should be able to over rule what the voters did. he's gotten a million more votes today than mitt romney got. he is going to break all the records on the gop side for the number of votes in the republican primaries. our turnout is up over 60% so i mean, there's a lot of facts, which is a clear message is being said to the party elites, we want to try something new. >> that's old hat, matt. you can do better than that. there are people who are elite, grass root people including your organization called the american conservative union. a lot of your comrades and members are appalled by this because let's -- >> jennifer, you're the one who has comrades at the washington post. >> right. >> let me get back to jennifer can i ask you a question. >> sure. >> first of all, what is a republican today?

are you a republican? >> you know -- >> republican -- >> i don't know because what i am is a reformed conservative so i don't know the answer. >> i'm -- the reason why this fight has come up because trump does have an advantage and nobody knows because is a republican free trader, i always thought republicans are free traders. he is definitely not. apparently the people that voted for him are not. generally middle east or anywhere in the world he definitely talk as big game against the iraq war and doesn't like the aggressive politics taking down governments over there. regime changes, against the whole thing. what's a real republican for regime change, foreign policy or someone against it like trump? what's a republican. >> let me tell you what is not. somebody that decides every day what he wants to say about anything. it's not that he's a republican or not. he's a lunatic and wants to give nuclear weapons to south korea and japan and one day says he's not going to stand by the united states and next day says it

doesn't matter because we can print money. this is not a man with principal as you said on offense. >> okay. it's not -- >> no, he hasn't. >> and from the beginning fact checked six ways prom sunday and that's wrong. that's a high. >> for the voter whose voted for him, the question is what is a republican. that's what i'm trying to get to. this definition of who is in and outcomes down to a pushing match between him and ryan and the question is, ryan was so quick to say today or very recently the last several hours i'm willing to walk if he tells me to. i thought that was profoundly important to acknowledge the guy that won the nomination, won the nomination. some other people aren't going to say that. >> it's two things. what you were referring to ryan is recognizing the legitimacy

and the true feelings and a lot of the republican party now they want to see change. but it's also ryan creating distance and that's what he needs, distance from the top of the ticket so republicans, if, you know, it comes to this don't get totally clobbered in november and if you're paul ryan or mitch mcconnell, that's what you're worried about because some numbers show a cruz ticket fairing worse. so right now, they are -- with trump at the top of the ticket, looking at a better situation but still pretty spooked. >> trump continues going after detractors this weekend he attacked mitt romney, jeb bush and lindsey graham. all of them. let's watch that attack. >> i'm never going to get romney's endorsement. he choked. i'll never get that. >> you know, i won't talk about jeb bush. i will not say -- i will not say he's low energy.

ly i will not say it. i will not say it. and i won't talk about lindsey graham who had like one point. he fails with his campaign horribly. he then endorses somebody else and then he endorses everybody. he's like bad luck as soon as he endorses. i'm not a fan of jeb and focus. >> jeb coming to the convention. >> votes. >> the match slap. it seems and lunatic and say fair game and he does say things that don't add up. agree with that it is consistent of any political persuasion but he does have votes and my question is i think he's going to get at least 45% in the general. which means 90% of the way he has to go. 90% there.

he only needs 5 more percent and he won. is it your sense that he has another 5% to get to win the general election matt, can he be president? >> look, i think there is a plausible path for him to be president, which is i think why you have many more republicans coming on board than are staying away and, you know, i think if you look at the fact he says look, about half of america doesn't vote and we got a lot of people that feel unplugged from the economy and don't feel hopeful about the sally and wages they had and don't feel hopeful about changes in the economy and don't like where america is overseas and maybe he'll convince more of those to come back into the game into vote. i think he also realizes he can make end roads with voters who maybe aren't that tend to be on the left that feel like economically they have been left behind. those are voters bernie sanders are speaking to and i don't think they like clinton incorporated. i think he's looking and belt

states on the map and i wouldn't say he's got he's got a path. >> okay. thank you so much. jeremy peters, jennifer. thank you for being crystal clear. >> coming up, donald trump is stepping up on bill and hillary clinton. the clintons are fighting back a bit, not clearly not in the way he's fighting and new polls show hillary clinton running strong in states where democrats don't usually do well like georgia. she's very close right there. did trump, beating republican in georgia. is donald trump at war with everyone to keep his campaign interesting? is he worried people will tune out if he acts more presidential? i think that's part of it. he wants to keep the show going and "hardball" round table. something you may not know and finally, let me finish tonight with a guy that shoots the moon. we know who that is.

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welcome back to "hardball." donald trump launched a series of attacks against hillary and bill clinton at campaign stops this weekend. in oregon and washington state.

>> and i'm saying to myself, but nobody in this country and maybe in the history of the country politically was worse than bill clinton with women. he was a disaster. he was a disaster. i mean, there has never been anybody like this and she was a total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. have you read what hillary clinton did to the women? she's hamarried to a man that's the worst abuser in politics. she's married to a man that hurt many women and hillary, if you look and study, hillary hurt many women. the women that he abused. she's married to a man who got impeached for lying. bill clinton was the worst in history and i have to listen to her talking about it and just

remember this, she was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. so put that in her bonnet and let's see what happens, okay? >> let's see what happens. hillary clinton's press secretary released a statement saying quote, in a week in which donald trump casually suggested destabilizing the entire u.s. economy and sited his attendance at the miss universe pageant of course he wants to change the subject. hillary clinton doesn't care what he says about her. she'll continue to call him out for outrageous positions and comments. hillary clinton herself said she's not going to fight on this line. let's watch. >> i'm not going to run an ugly race. i'm going to run a race based on issues and what my agaen da is for the american people. i don't really feel like i'm running against donald trump. i feel like i'm running for my

vision of what our country can be. >> well, john is an opinion writer and msnbc political analyst and covers the clinton campaign for the "boston globe." thank you for joining us. let's talk about tactics and strategy. clearly, it is probably going to be part of the strategy of donald trump to bring the clintons tonight, two for the price of one. the whole clinton era of the 1990s, i think he wants people to think of them as incumbents. not about sex, although he'll use that. the main message i think he's trying to get across is they are in, i'm out. let's change the picture. i'm the changed candidate. they are what is going on and has been going on for 20 or 30 years. what do you think of the strategy? >> i think that's right. i think that donald trump does really well what he's the outsider and an outsider year and hillary clinton is sort of the insider and it's a reminder when you talk about the '90s,

these clintons have been around for 20 years for 25 years and what has changed? this is the argument donald trump makes. she has had power. she's had her hands on the levers of power in washington for so long and we're still in this what he would describe as a mess. so i do think that's sort of the effort he's trying to make and hillary clinton, you know, she was asked about acquisitions today in virginia and she says she's not going to talk about them which i think is clearly a smart move on her part. >> let me go back to john. his opponents used that before. i get the feeling that he's not stupid. i never thought trump was stupid and everybody makes mistakes. this may be a mistake. to win this election, he's got to change it around from so the mou moderates and liberals, women like the clintons if you look at the numbers. he's got a problem with women. he has to do something radical to shift that around and this is his to do so.

what do you think he's up to? >> chris, in order for him to win, he's got to open up, he's got to open his base of support beyond the people who already don't like hillary clinton. that rift that you just showed is stuff that his crowd has been feeding on for probably the entire 30 years that the clintons have been in public life and certainly since the impeachment days. so i don't see what it buys him. if donald trump wants to become president of the united states, he's going to have to start talking in a way and putting policies out there that appeal to people who aren't -- >> talk about. okay. okay. that's the hillary argument. i know. they don't like this top pick area. i'm asking you politically. the top pick area of going after hillary clinton. what is it about? is he trying to do blaming her, not bill, her? >> he's trying to tear her down and what i don't -- this is the reason why i don't think it's going to work. this worked very well for him

when he was in the primaries and up against 16 other people. when his one-liners -- >> republicans. >> and one-liners could be the only thing that he says from the debate stage and he's not pressed on other key pressing issues. can you think of a debate that all -- of all the debates we watched during the republican primary season where more than 50% of the debater, shoot, even more than 8 oc0% wasn't just a series of one liners. >> because republican party sits around talking and said anything about her. and democrats say and i don't know. honestly he thinks so. >> you have to sit from a position where it could work and

quite frankly, it has worked for the last nine months and we have sat here time and time again and said oh, this is something that, you know, he has a ceiling with republicans. he can -- now it's turned to oh, trump can only win republicans, not independents and make an impact on the coalition that hillary se hillary seems to have. i think that is sort of a washington way of looking at the electret and trump is coming at it from a different perspective and i think we have to be very careful sitting in washington and dicing up the way we have been for the last year and certain groups are going to react to expect from comments because the bottom line is it hasn't worked that way and it's worth thinking about. maybe we're wrong and need to understand. >> that's why it hasn't worked out because we've been looking at republicans fight amongst

themselves. now the race now that he's the presumptive nominee, the race has gone the general election and donald trump in the course of nine months has disrespected women, muslims, latinos, the disabled, we could go on down the list. those people are americans and those people vote and that's why i keep saying and i'm not talking from the washington bubble and looking at the numbers, looking at poll numbers and disapproval rating and quite frankly, cannot see how if the race is going right now, how he can expect to become president of the united states certainly get his message across. >> support republicans, looking strong at the campaign and in

georgia, in georgia which hasn't supported democrat for president by a sing the point. a single point is not a margin fer error. very close and very conservative state. he should be way ahead. in north carolina, clinton has a nine-point lead over trump that's a state that with a very good election result this november, she would win north carolina and there she is nine points up. so looks like he has got the ability to rock the world to shake it up. >> yeah, if you look at the georgia poll and i think it's a really interesting poll, like you look at it for us and think oh my goodness, how in the world could georgia be a swing state? it's insane. look -- if you look at the habit, you'll see the poll also shows one in five voters haven't made up their minds yet.

there is a huge independence here and independents are the ones that kind of have boosted donald trump and moved him along through this primary process. he's had unbelievable support from indepersonal dents in states like massachusetts and across the country. that georgia poll, if you look at it a little bit more deeply actually could be good news for trump. it's just he's bidding a different coalition that we're not used to seeing. north carolina -- >> i agree. >> north carolina is a state -- >> i think that's right. >> column -- go ahead. >> john, the clintons attacks never worked. it cost republicans the '98 election but there is something trump is up to. i want to know what he's up to. i don't think he's stupid. the state i'm looking at is pennsylvania. if he pulls pennsylvania, he can win the general election but he has to do that because he can win ohio, wisconsin, you know, he can really change the whole

way and look of the northeast. it won't be about the south. in the end the south will go to trump. the question is can he breakthrough in that northern industrial tier? last word on that. >> everyone every election year, if pennsylvania goes for the republican, the republican can win and pennsylvania goes for the democrats. yes, it does indeed go for trump then the election might be over but in terms of georgia and north carolina, one thing we're not talking about and one thing i would like to see is there is a large african american vote in georgia and a large african american vote in north carolina. do not under estimate their desire and that conknit web see can make georgia and north carolina not just tossup -- >> okay, okay. >> could be a win for clinton. >> the african american will be

99%, probably. here is the question, the last time the republicans won pennsylvania is when they ran that campaign, a really, really negative campaign against the democratic campaign and worked. so you can run a really nasty macho campaign like george senior wasn't a macho man, they could run the same kind of campaign that worked in pennsylvania last time. so who knows. i like your assuring in this. thank you jonathan and ann. everybody comes on the show and knows more than i do. coming up, the incredible man on mount rush more. that's next. this is "hardball" the place for politics.

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storms. tornado watches in effect until 10:00 p.m. eastern. at least one tornado spotted tonight measured a mile across. we will continue to monitor this dangerous situation. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." a new examination of the life and career of abraham lincoln that comes at a time when some ask if the republican party, often referred to as the party of lincoln still is. long-time journalist to president bill and hillary clinton the author of the new multi book the political life of abraham lincoln a self made man. out tomorrow, and joins me now for the first interview. sid, thank you. let me ask you about the question that jack kennedy said is the reason we read biograp biographies in general. what was he like? >> am abraham lincoln was this figure that moves above us on

mount rushmore. a real politician of the first generation of political politicians in north america and what i described is the man that became abraham lincoln that became a skilled politician and used skills to become the great emancipator. there was not a great politician and emancipator were two separate. one in the same and the politician made the emancipator the politician. >> could he have made it in the age of television? >> he was a master of newspaper in promote and the news, the way people use the internet today and like t grams, and he was wrote articles under other journalists and he had very close relationships with

journalists of his day all the way through and his private secretaries happen to be journalist he brought with him from illinois. so he was very, very close to the press and had a very keen sense of it. as a boy, he was known as a news boy because he -- part of his self-education was that he just absorbed newspapers. >> was he honest dave? >> some people said he got the name because he was a referee at horse races. he was old abe before he was honest abe. he was -- he was a politician who was devoted to his core of principles and who understood that 1,000 small political acts were required to achieve a great goal, and he was as honest as a politician was in those days and he was completely clean. there was nothing corrupt about

abraham lincoln. >> i love to hear that. we got to ask you about the clintons and the guess the first question, have you been interviewed by the fbi for this investigation. have you been interviewed? >> thank you, chris. my feeling about this is that i'm as eager as anybody for this to be resolved and what i would like for this is for this to be completely transparent and for the department of justice to finally issue its report. i have been urging transparency. i urge that my deposition before the benghazi committee be made public the second i walked out. i wanted it to be a public hearing and not a private one. so i'm in favor of complete transparency and a quick resolution so we can see in my view -- >> i think most people want

that. have you been -- however, have you been -- have you been interviewed by the fbi yet on this matter? >> well, i'm -- you know, i really don't want to talk about an on going inquiry right now. >> you can't say whether you've been interviewed or not? why not? >> well, my feeling about it is that let's wait and see at the end and see what happens to everybody involved and see what the resolution is and then i would like to see the department of justice issue a very transparent report. >> okay. sid blumenthal, the political life of abraham lincoln. you got to read it. self made man. donald trump takes on the world, what his recent moves mean for the general election fight going forward. apparently they mean a lot because he's already doing it. the round table will be here. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. so i asked mdoctor about victoza®.

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welcome back to "hardball." trump promised wounds with the debate. >> i won a landslide. you want to know the truth. i will not criticize and not a conservati conservative. who the hell cares? >> he would always say he's not a true conservative. >> instead of attacking hillary clinton on policy differences, trump claims she's playing the woman's card. here he was this morning.

>> she's playing the woman's card. she's going -- i watched over the weekend everything about the woman and donald trump raised his voice. it's non-sense. women understand it better than anybody and watch how well i do with women when it counts, when the election comes. >> joining me now, tonight, jennifer jacobs is a reporter with bloomberg politics and ray cooper is a senior advisor and michelle bernard is a roll call co columnist. thank you for coming on. again, let me go to jennifer for a quick news analysis. what did you make of sid blumenthal saying he had not been interviewed by the fbi. >> he was a guy that wished he could say more. he didn't seem like he was dodging on purpose. seemed like he was instructed not to say something. >> could be. let's go to trump and the way he seems to be playing. sometimes you figure is it just johnny one note.

he has to be on the offense and bullying or pressuring someone and he has to be the outsider. he just continues in this presumptive until knee the same way. >> maybe he's thinking why fix it if it isn't broken? he's following the big rallies using celebrity to draw big crowds and dominating cable television and insults to fellow opponents. the trouble is at some point people are going to really demand he get off the script. maybe exciting for audiences but other people, you know, serious people are waiting to see if he can behave for a week like someone who can behave and speak rationally. >> i wonder if it matters, what is this stop trump movement now? i mean, he's there. you don't stop somebody from getting there once they are there. what are you up to? >> what's your plan? >> the never trump movement because we believe it's important to separate donald

trump from conservative ideology as a whole. he doesn't ruepresent it and other members of the leadership to draw a distinction on. there is a famous alexander hamilton quote that's if you have an enemy at the heat of state, it should be someone you can oppose and who doesn't drag your party into the foolish nonsense. that's where we are with donald trump. >> he's the nominee. i don't understand never trump. it's trump. when could saying never, you sound like baghdad bob. you can keep saying it but why call it never if it happened. it's happened. he's tnominee. >> november hasn't happened. >> you're going to oppose donald trump against hillary clinton? >> never means never. we'll oppose both of them. listen, i don't support -- >> what does that mean? >> i don't support hillary clinton. it gives me no pleasure to say that the republican nominee is not someone i can support but listen, right now it's a choice

basically between somebody whose a crooked liar and somebody with very low character. >> it's a seesaw if she goes down, he goes up. you're not confusing stuff. you know what you're doing. if you're against trump, you're for hillary. say so. please hillary instead of never trump. >> first off, i'll never say please hilary. we don't know what the ballot looks like now. there won't be an alternative and i don't know what happens between now -- >> come on. hillary definitely wins -- why do we play these games. >> it's a game i never played before, chris. if you look at the map hillary won. she puts states like utah and mississippi on the map and up in utah, one of the most republican states in the country. listen, this is not about who will win in november if it's an option, that decision is made. it's hillary. if you look at other demographics, married in 1996

it's even worse. listen, i think -- >> i get it now. i get it. >> remember -- >> and the republican platform. >> remember the bumper stickers after the '72 race and map of massachusetts that said don't blame us. you're in the don't blame us campaign. in other words, he'll win but lose. >> history is part of the -- >> can't blame that on that. >> if you look at 1960 there was a large concern of opposition to richard nixon. >> for conservatives to say this nominee does not reflect, you know, what the values and principles and positions are for a party. >> what did you get out of that, gold water in '64. that worked out well. >> i think never trump and a woman president and roll call,

congratulations on that. >> thank you. >> that new diamond in your crown. what do you make of this fight now about -- why do you think trump is saying to reince, i'm not joining your club? i wouldn't accept the club that would accept me as a member? he's saying trump, you're not the boss. i'll drop you in a minute as chairman of the convention and reince says yeah, you can. >> trump is doing it because all along we have seen, you know, trump seems to be this macho man demonstrati demonstrating bravado that people like. he's been successful throughout the period and when trump comes out and says things for example like what he said about paul ryan or saying it doesn't matter, it's the establishment backs him, he doesn't want the establishment to back him, doesn't matter. there are, you know, his constituents believe that. they like it. it gets them out and going and i believe he thinks it is going to help him with this get out the vote efforts in november.

>> michelle bernard not speaking for the bernard center. who are you going to vote for, hillary or donald? >> do you really have to ask that question. bernard center -- [ laughter ] >> look. go ahead, go ahead. >> let's put it this way. i'm going to vote for the candidate that likes women, african americans, latinos and believes in america's promise for all americans and who has never uttered the words that mexicans are rapists. >> okay. i think i got your drift. anyway, thank you. the round table sticking with us and up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. we'll be right back. caring for someone with alzheimer's means

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back with the "hardball." roundtable. jennifer, tell me something i don't know. >> anti-establishment republicans who back donald trump, i suspect their frustration is growing and growing the establishment will not back their candidate. they pointed out over and over, they said even though you don't like our candidate you need to rally around this person and they did. they're saying the establish needs to pay attention now. republicans missed something. they made a big mistake. there's a huge pocket of frustration about free trade possibly hurting jobs, about illegal immigration possibly undercutting businesses and they're saying, listen to us. >> do you notice there's a pattern for those up for re-election this fall tend to be open with the idea they have to live with trump because they're on the same ticket, whereas the people not running again, bushes and marco rubio, people finished for a while at least are willing to say, i'm not on board, easier

for them. >> very much so. >> michelle, your thinking tonight, stun me with something i don't know. >> i'm going to stun you by letting you know that this past weekend, president barack obama spoke at my undergraduate alma mater. he was the commencement speaker at howard university. he has been speaking at hbcus throughout his tenure. he told the students from the university that gave us zora, thurston thurgood marshall and other great, he basically gave an unapologetically black speech and told the students, be proud of being black and proud of who you are but he also said you have to get out and vote. he said if the youth had come out and voted in large numbers in 2012, he would not have had the congress that he was stuck with and that hashtags are not enough, you've got to vote. if you want the critical justice reform -- criminal justice

reform act to pass, if you care about voting rights act, healthcare, get out and vote. >> i think that must have been a wonderful moment out there, michelle. thanks. to rory, tell me something i don't know. >> i don't know if you know no republican candidate for congress has lost their primary this cycle so far, not one. when we're talking about the discord at the top of the ticket, if you actually look, the republican party for several cycles so far has actually been really really strong. we've won hundreds of seats in the state legislature. we dominate control of govern governors. the majorities in the house and senate are quite strong as well. what donald trump does do in november is potentially threaten what has generally been a strong showing in down ballot races. that also speaks to this sentiment there is somehow an anti-republican sentiment within the republican race. in fact, most keep sending the republican member of congress back to washington. what the national -- what the national debate seems to be s

saying, it's a little bit disconnected and what we hope to do is make sure it remains disconnected from the down ballot races. >> a lot of people get re-ele re-elected because they had the position to start with and they have name it and money. i'm not a big fan of everybody getting re-elected every year. thank you, jennifer jacobs and roy cooper. when we return a guy who shoots for the moon. then those places change every few months... please. it's time you got the quicksilver card from capital one. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. doesn't get much simpler than that. what's in your wallet? nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay

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let me finish tonight with this, donald trump is shooting the moon. play close attention to what he says and player doing precisely what the other players are not. they discard the politically incorrect he collects those c d cards and show reference for tap baos not talking about a rival's spouse and he hones in on the guy. and like a shrewd direction she spots the direction and heads the other way. he mocks jeb bush as a favorite of the republican establish. you're not supposed to talk about the new global world.

trump talks as old time natio l nationalist, america against mexico. my sense is this is trump that made it all these years, the guy that shoots the moon and bets against the market and, yes, will fight any man in the house for a dollar. that's "hardball" for now. all in for chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> all of the men, we're petrified to speak to women nominee. >> the war on women begins. >> everything is about women and donald trump raised his voice. >> donald trump going to hillary by way of her spouse. >> there is nobody worse than bill clinton with women. >> the presumptive nominee goes ugly early. tonight, hillary clinton responds and michael moore whether or not the republican civil war is good for democrats. donald trump caught negotiating with himself on raising taxes. >> to