convention we have seen in the past given his showman ship. >> i have a feeling however it plays out, it will be different. >> miss universe pageant. >> there's a lot of possibilities. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm john heilemann. >> i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to donald trump who started calling senator sanders crazy bernie. i think that nickname is already taken. >> crazy donald. >> on the show tonight, donald trump's day to shrug and hillary clinton's e-mail bug. paul ryan's dilemma to hug or not to hug. trump held a peace summit with republican lawmakers tomorrow. the gop nominee has a series of

meetings scheduled. the tension between the two top republicans has been toned down in recent days, somewhat. in a story published today, trump was defied an interview about the leverage he has walking into the meeting that his eight million twitter followers mattered more than ryan's blessing. ryan said he wanted to find common ground with the party's nominee. >> we go into the fall at half strength. this election is too important to go into an election at half strength. that means we need a real unification of our party, after a tough primary, that's going to take effort. we're committed to putting that effort in. i want to be part of that unifying process so we're at

full strength this fall to win the election. there's plenty of room for different policy disputes in this party. we come from different wings of the party. the goal here is to unify the various wings of the party around common principles to go forward to unify. >> all right. no matter how well the meetings go tomorrow, trump and ryan will have their differences. what are the areas you think they can show a unified front after the meetings. >> well, i think they can probably unify around the common goal of beating hill clinton and keeping the democrats out of white house. let me see, what else? on policy, if you believe where donald trump is now, ryan and trump have a lot in common on social policy. not on immigration. they might have some common ground on foreign policy. when it comes to fiscal policy and economic policy and shrinking the role of government and all this stuff that's been at the core, i don't see a lot of overlap. >> i agree.

the main thing is they can say we must do everything we can to beat hillary clinton to get republicans elected and reelected and raise money for republicans. i think the fact is the main thing they can agree on tomorrow is come out saying things move forward. they're working together. i think that's where it will land. i don't think it will be easy for ryan to endorse trump. i think if trump can convince ryan that he can win and the recent polling, however limited it is it shows trump with chance to win, i think that's going to put more pressure on ryan than he's faced to endorse. you're seeing a lot more republican members of congress saying this is our nominee. deal with it. all the controversy that's been swirling about donald trump's unreleased tax returns have swirled even more. he said he doesn't expect to release his tax returns before the november election. then mitt romney took to facebook and again, called on

trump to release tax returns warning the pun liblic there's bomb shell in there. trump used twitter and said, in interview i told at ap that my taxes are under routine audit and i'll release when audit is complete, not after election. there's an exclamation point. john, will trump pay a price if he doesn't release the tax returns before election day in. >> i don't know the answer to that question. i can tell you one thing. i can tell you two things. one thing is the clinton campaign will try hard to make donald trump pay a price for not releasing his tax returns and the other it's our job, your job, my job, our job in the press to make sure that trump does pay a price if he maintains this stance. it's ridiculous and obscene that he could ever suggest the idea given the history, the precedent here that he would not have something close to full

financial disclosure for the voters to determine what is in there and we all need to keep the pressure on him. this is something that matters a lot. >> there's a rule in washington, when something is famous for when something isn't release, donald trump's tax returns is about to get it. the conventional wisdom has been if the republican critics of romney and the democrat critics agree exactly the same way, that puts a lot of pressure on. i'm not sure that conventional wisdom is right. i think the trump coalition, looks at the carping of politicians on both parties. trump is the outsider running up the middle. i'm not sure that criticism will hurt him. >> i think you meant the critics of trump and not the critics of romney.

>> yeah. >> you may be right, i'll just say this is our job. the people that make a nominee pay the price when they -- i know the bell has gone off. when they decide to divert from what is standard practice and standard practice for a good reason. we must be the ones who hold his feet to the fire on this an not let him talk about the audit. the audit has nothing to do with this. the guy should release his taxes and we should keep forces him and keeping him to do that until he finally does. every day, we learn a little more about how donald trump's general election campaign is likely to operate. in the past 24 hours he's done landful of interviews with newspapers and tv outlets. we know the gop nominee does not, does not plan to invest in the sophisticated voter data operation that barack obama and other candidates and the presidential level, mitt romney triped to do it too over the course of the last presidential

campaign cycles. trump said i've always felt it was overrated, meaning obama's. he said he got the votes more so than his processing machine. trump said i think it's true with me. he said he will rely on the buzz that's generated by his massive, unpredictable campaign rallies. he told the new york times, in a broadway theater of the best, the absolute best is word of mouth. it's better than if you write a good review. word of mouth is my number one thing. you've got to see it. one person goes and talks about it to 20 people, end quote. here is the real question. is donald trump a mad genius when it comes to this or is he just plain mad in. >> it's not an either or choice. if you're a smart campaign, you do both. you have big rallies on the excitement that trump's name has

skr generated. you'd also have a grand operation. if he lose a close race and the clinton people are able to build the kind of thing they'll build, it will cost republicans the white house. >> you're in the vicinity of the truth on this in the sense i think he's making a virtue out of the of necessity. there's no way he can build barack obama's data machine which is the most sophisticated thing we've seen in history. he will be at a pronounced disadvantage without that kind of data operation. when it comes to targeted state,

targeting important demographics, targeting important groups of voters. almost door by door as a modern presidential campaign will do, that will leave him in another way disadvantaged against hillary clinton. >> if you go to single women and hispanics that you and i talk about all the time. those voters need to be targeted. they need to find those people and find issues where they have common ground. if you're not targeting, you're never going to find them. is hillary clinton winning the argument that a losing streak won't hurt her campaign? we'll talk about that after a word from our sponsors. plap

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51-35. 35%. even before the polls closed anticipating defeat, clinton's campaign manager, robby mook sent out an e-mail. it reassured them there's nothing that could stop hillary clinton tr winning t ifrom winn nomination. even if senator sanders wins each of the remaining nine states by 30 points, hillary clinton will still earn majority of pledge delegates and popular vote. end quote. mark, we have said, that clinton can fight a two front war. did west virginia change the reality of what a possible losing streak in this next month can do and what it will mean to and for hillary clinton? >> i think it doesn't change it

fundamentally right now. if she continues to lose contests and lose them badly. she's a front-runner. she's the certain nominee. i don't think it's anything from as long as she gets circuit breaker going and win in california. >> in the en, it probably doesn't matter that much. there's a couple of ways i think it matters. she is clearly, on health care, getting pulled to the left. it's not the first time it's happened. she's getting pulled to the left by the sanders challenge. she continues to feel the tug. the other thing is the setting contrast with the polls that show trump doing well against her in some battleground states.

it does heighten sanders determination to stay in. his argument for why he should fight all the way to the convention and hang around longer. it will be a lot better for her to put this thing away. shut it down and win some contests. >> i agree. it's time, again, to start talking about hillary clinton's e-mails. fbi's investigation of the clinton's handling of classify materials has made some more headlines this week. on monday the state department said it was having trouble finding e-mails from the information technology stafferer who set up clinton's home server. yesterday that cheryl mills left an fbi interview after investigators asked about a topic that the department of justice agreed would be off limits.

depended the former secretary of state on the cable news network. >> my understanding is that this is a security review. it's not a criminal investigation. >> sit an investigation. >> it's an inquiry. it's to whether anyone put classified information. i'm sure that the department of justice is not a political investigation at all. they'll issue a statement when it's resolved. >> that security review has been used not just by bloomingthal. james comes y is saying he's no familiar with that term.

where do you think hillary clinton sands. >> i think that this is very quickly marked heading into the clinton e-mails. this is going to be something that people on the right who will never vote for hillary clinton will claim there was something there. they will claim the investigation was never complete. there's neem wipeople that wille she's crooked hillary. sgl they're confident she will not be charged with a crime. there might not be a grand jury. the investigation leading somewhere else or perhaps fbi

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this morning we're in washington for the annual fiscal summit where we hosted a discussion with lindsey graham. graham has been one of donald trump's toughest critics. today he said some not 100% mean things about the donald. it's not to say he laid off totally. there's a few clips we'll play for you. let's start off with graham warming to trump on a specific issue, which would be raising the minimum wage. >> i think trump is onto something in terms of broadening the appeal of the republican party. raising the minimum wage would be bad for the economy because it's pretty shaky. hard to do business. it's a cost to doing business. the concept of raising the minimum wage, i would put on the table if tfit was part of a bigr deal. i would say if you help to get to yes on simpson bowles, i

would help raise the minimum wage. i think donald is onto something talking about the minimum wage differently. the goal for the republicans to say i'm for the working man, not just the rich man, rich woman. i think he's onto something trying to broaden the party's appeal to working folks by putting on the tables things that we say no to. >> those may be the nicest words you've used about donald trump, at least this my memory. >> yeah, and you got a long memory. >> what do you think about that? >> i think it's really big leading indicator of a guy is just dealing with the reality. this is our nominee. if he wins, let's have him win the right way and govern the

right way. i think graham is looking for opportunities based on his conversation with us to say here is where he agrees with trump. i think the look lindsey graham, they're not many republican who is are as acute as lindsey graham. >> graham was notably more pointed when talking about trump's standing with hispanic voters. >> what's more dangerous to your party? donald trump losing or donald trump winning? >> depends on how he won. the demographic problems we have in 2012, he made worse. we did an anl assist of how did we lose. how did obama win when every

indicator said he should lose. romney went to self-deportation. if you told me in 2013, by 2016, we would be running on forced deportation and that megyn kelly was a bimbo, i hope he adjusts. to the hispanic community, i get why you don't like us. who will vote for somebody who will deport their grandmother. i don't give a crap about your financial plan is if you're going to deport my grandmother. >> i think this is the area that paul ryan will raise as well, if not tomorrow, along the way. they must change trump's tone to have a fighting chance to win the general election and not set

the party back in its image amongst non-white voters and hispanic voters. >> lindsey graham has been on this issue for a long time. i think he's mortified by the turn the party is taking. i think they will be trying to press charges. it's trump's policy posture on this. he's really a huge political killer for the republican party if that's the posture of the party's nominee. let me move on. we were surprised that lindsey graham took page from donald trump's own play book this morning and give him a nickname of graham's own. >> if you took the party labels off the two presidential candidates, i just looked at them and what they seem to be, which would brand more robust

economic growth? >> i think donald trump would think outside the box and be open up to ideas, maybe too many. hillary clinton is more traditional. i think trump has going for him the idea of looking at old problems anew. talk about minimum wage being on the table and talking about high higher rates. the energy he's brought about taking the system and turning it up side down, fits the moment. crazy loses to crooked. crooked hillary will beat crazy donald. if he's new and different, i think he would win. new and different is different than being crazy. does that make sense? that's his challenge. i think is to show he's capable of handling the stress that comes with the job, and her challenge, i think, is to show

she's got leadership skills. >> mark, the formulation that crooked hillary beats crazy donald but there's a possibility he can change himself to new and different donald. the question is can he see it as clearly as he does. >> lindsey graham spent as much time as any republican i know over the last few months strtry to strategize to how did he become the nominee.

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this visit? >> it's fascinating because there's different expectations on both sides. america doesn't think much about hiroshima. they're next invasion was honchu. the bomb is viewed as something that's tens of thousands of american lives. they were walking around and out of sky drops this device that kills 100,000 people. more after the radiation between hiroshima and tfrs an unnecessaru unnecessary, brutal force. he's got to use this to further

what he talked about in the 2008 campaign. his vision of a world without ne nuclear weapons. >> it's very difficult for him here because it will be many veterans groups and say this is a continuation of an obama apology tour. there will be many in japan who view the absence of an apology as a problem.

>> it seems as if it's tailed notably where it seems, according to your story, which is incredibly important. tell us about the significance of this moment. >> sure. if you think that the big success for obama was in iran nuclear agreement, he kept iran for the next 10 to 15 years from gathering the material. the great failure of north korea. it was a failure that had many, many fathers going back to george h.w. bush. bill clinton, george w. bush. all of whom viewed this as too complex to deal with because the north koreans would have the capacity with conventional

weapons before a war they would lose. they now have the capacity to put that weapon on a short range. you have heard that down played by the japanese and south koreans. >>. >> if is seen that north korean proliferation would be at the front of any presidential candidates as they get ready to run for president in this fall term. talk about hillary clinton and donald trump, do they have stances or nonproliferation? are they strong? do they talk about this particular threat?

>> mr. trump and his u interview with me a month and a half ago, talked about pulling back from japan and south korea pulling the american troops back if the two countries didn't make a greater con gri -- contribution. if he did that and they ended up going nuclear, you could see this arms race taking off. i'm not sure that's a fully thought out position yet. it's interesting when he gave the foreign policy speech a few weeks ago after the interview. he did not repeat that position about japan and south korea. we have not heard much from him on north korea other than the threat if they used a weapon they would really come to regret it. lots of people have said that. for secretary clinton, i think the hard part is the fundamental

decision to focus on iran and try what they call strategic patience with the north koreans. she was tuned into the issue. i remember talking to her many times. she was pretty focused on it. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, a republican, a democrat and walk into a tv studio. you won't believe what happens. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries

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>> he says he's being audited right now. he said a couple of different things. one is when the audit is over he might be willing to do it. the other is if you told the associated press not have after the november election. now he's saying that's not what i said, after the audit. how big of a deal would it be? >> i think that tax returns and those wonderful things that the press likes a lot having worked for candidate who felt it was intrusive tried to delay it a lot. it builds up the president for when the texaxes come out and y have to release them as the due diligence that voters will do before an election. >> meaning, you think he has to release them? >> he will on his timetable. >> his medical records that was

a letter from a doctor which sounded like a letter from a cousin. he kept talking about the greatest health ever. donald trump doesn't play by anybody else's rules. he may decide he doesn't have to do this. we'll see how the voters feel about this. >> mitt romney said it would be disqualifying for him not to do that. >> he should know. >> this is the keeping of secrets by candidates when they believe information should come out. >> if you did a public opinion poll, believe me, people will

start, do you think the american public will demand this? >> i think if you ask the question in a certain way, the american public would agree he should do it. is it a voting issue is a better question. it was an issue that became damaging because of the suspicion he hadn't paid any taxes. you can probably get the answer from a poll. i think we have way to go in this campaign before it becomes an issue that hurts him. >> let's talk about where the investigation into the e-mails are going.

the candidate has not been asked to come up in touk with investigators yet. aids are being interviewed. where do you see this going? >> sure. i think the absence of decision on this, something that's dragged out for more than a year is a shadow over the campaign. just kind of confirms she's the target of the investigation and the last person to be interviewed, which builds the suspense even more. >> is she the target of the investigation? >> i don't know that. the people who know that rbts talking. i think it's fair to say that in

the interest of this political process and in the interest of the american people, clearly, everyone has a belief this should get wrapped up one way or another quickly. i think that director comey made it clear that he's moving as fast as possible. you don't want to have this happen post conventions. >> i think we're a million miles away from that. >> he's made it very clear what his campaign is about and how he will wage this campaign which is on his issues around the direction of the democratic party and the nation generally. on issues of inequality. power. how power is exercised. who it gets exercised for and by. >> he has shifted to some extent. talk about electabilities.

if something that happened, he would have trouble winning the general election. i think he'd talk about it. >> you would probably not recommend let's add to the suspense around the convention by letting the e-mails hang out there. >> in the camp of moving things fast here. >> polling, battleground polls, it's may, who cares any way. the democrats is he's a million miles behind her. is he? >> it's may. there's a whole campaign to be run here.

i think one set of polls that could or could not be outliars that are taken in may shouldn't have too much read into them. this is a closely divided country. yes. are these races always close? yes. is this one likely to be closer than conventional wisdom two weeks ago. republicans do tend to solidify. democrats will colid fi. there will be a small group of voters who decide the election which kind of the way it gold goes. it happens in fall. >> you're asking the question, al beit in may. tells you that the polls have shifted the perception of the race. the democrats were trying hard to make the argument that the race was out of control and there was a huge gap between the candidates. it was going to lead to all the down ballot disasters of republicans losing the house and the senate. these these polls have shifted that discussion.

>> i have to jump in here is because the reality is what you're seeing in swing states is you're seeing close second races. when you talk with people doing pollings, you're seeing different patterns than in the last eight years. i think that both realities can be true. it's a closely divided country. >> fund raising letter from the sanders campaign. we're going to have a contested convention where the democratic party must decide if they want the candidate with the momentum who is best positioned to beat trump or willing to roll the dice and suspect disaster.

is that fair game or is it over the top? >> not over the top. it's a tremendous relief to the republicans and have the democratics fighting. >> i've heard a sigh of relief from the republican party from sea to shining sea that the nomination has been resolved and the way is behind the nominee. i'm not quite sure i would buy that. their theory of the case is they have to shake this i think loose and start shaking super delegates loose. the fear tactic, the she can't win tactic appeals to super delegat delegates. >> thank you both. thank you. coming up, a new rand. we'll be right back. there are two billion people

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jeff daniels stopped by this set for an interview. he was previously the star of many things, including hbo the news room. if you haven't seen that show, you've probably seen the most famous scene. the moment when he launches into an impromptu tirade. we asked jeff if he would be willing to reprise that scene. let's take a quick look at the original to refresh your memory. >> can you say in one sentence or less, you know what i mean, can you say why america is the greatest country in the world? >> the new york jets. no, i'm going to hold you to an answer on that. what makes america is greatest country in the world?

>> i'm not letting you go to the airport without answering the question. >> that's my answer. >> okay. that's how it starts. now let's take a look at our special updated version scripted by matt. >> can you say in one sentence or less, all right. you know what i mean. can you say why donald trump is the best case scenario for hillary clinton? >> i think for the first time in election history, i think her opponent might donate to her campaign. no. >> i'm going to hold you to an answer on that. what makes donald trump the best case scenario for hillary clinton?

>> jeff, jeff. i'm not going to let you go back to the airport without giving me an actual answer. >> he's not the best case scenario. that's my answer. donald trump is a fact bending loose cannon that alienates mainstream voters with everything he says. he gets constant media attention for free. with a straight face, you're going to tell me that electing a woman is unprecedented. germany elected a female chans lor, brazil, denmark, argentina, norway. they're run by women. 22 sovereign states in the world have already beat us on this. >> okay. fine. >> okay. >> writing a third book, there's some things you should know. there's absolutely no evidence to support the statement that trump is the best case scenario for hillary clinton. 38% of the people gave her

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thanks again to jeff daniels. we didn't get to talk about donald trump and his sparring partner. that's the person he now calls goofy elizabeth warren.

what does he get out of fighting with her? >> i don't get the nickname or the fight. trump's had some great nicknames that have stuck. i don't think the problem think the problem with elizabeth warren think she's goofy. i don't think he's found the right hook yet. he needs to consolidate his base and paying a price for fighting with her. he's not going to win over any elizabeth warren supporters. >> i guess it's okay for him. it's good for her too. she seems to enjoy this. it's time for y'all to head over to bloombergpolitics.com to check out our stories.

until tomorrow, we're with you until right about now. >> coming up, hardball with chris matthews. donald trump presents. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. that's the big story. donald trump, the about to be republican nominee for president of the united states, is bringing his thrill show to the big tent stage of this summer's fight for the white house. you'll see entertainment, live entertainme entertainment. you'll see suspense. he promises to pick his vice president at the convention.