united states postal service priority: you i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump. >> for the most part we agree on a lot of different items. >> it's no secret that donald trump and i have had our differences. >> we'll get there, i'm pretty sure. >> we are now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified. >> good friday morning to you. friday the 13th it turns out here in washington, d.c. i'm peter alexander. you heard it there from both paul ryan and donald trump. both men say they are totally committed to working together this fall, but after thursday's high-stakes meeting, the house speaker is still withholding a full-throated endorsement. also this morning it's democrat versus democrat versus democrat. hillary clinton and bernie sanders hitting president obama over a report of new raids to deport undocumented immigrants.

clinton saying she's against the move, calling it unproductive and unamerican. sanders saying it's inhumane. >> there are 11 million undocumented people in this country and today and every day many of them are being exploited by their employers because they have no legal rights. that's why i believe we need comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship. >> our political team has it all covered for you this morning. but first some new overnight developments on the republican side of this race. "the washington post" has exclusively obtained a 25-year-old audio recording where trump apparently pretends to be his own publicist. we have that and his response on the "today" show this morning. >> he's living with marla and he's got three other girlfriends. >> in 1991, a familiar sounding voice called into "people"

magazine claiming to be donald trump's publicist. >> what's your name again? >> john miller. >> what is your position? >> i'm sort of handling pr. >> in the 25-year-old audio recording obtained overnight by "the washington post" a voice unmistakenly like trump talks up his exploits with madonna and carla bruni. >> the people that you write about really are -- they just call. actresses, people that you write about just call to see if they can go out with him. >> when then girlfriend marla maples then identified the voice as trump, the tycoon told "people" magazine it was a joke gone awry. trump denied the voice was him. >> it doesn't sound like me on the phone, i will tell you that, and it was not me on the phone. the answer is no, and let's get on to more current subjects. >> to be clear, in a court case in 1990, trump testified under oath that he on occasion used a separate alias, john baron, he

acknowledged the same to a new york newspaper taper but that is not the tape john miller indicated on that audio tape. donald trump is also pushing back on his taxes this morning. jacob rascon is outside trump tower in new york today. jacob, this has been an issue that is sticking with the presidential candidate, potentially becoming the first major party nominee in almost four decades not to share his taxes. >> reporter: yeah, and this morning he talked about how, oh, many other presidents have also not released their taxes, but then, of course, it was pointed out not since 1976. since then every presidential candidate has released. now, he pointed out when pressed that he says he has no swiss bank accounts and no overseas bank accounts at all for that matter. he did say that he didn't think voters had a right to see his tax returns, but also added that he thought he'd be happy if they ended up coming out before the election, which would only happen, he said, if the audit was finished by that time. but it also got a little testy

when he was asked for very specific answers. >> do you believe voters have a right to see your tax returns before they make a final decision? >> i don't think they do, but i do say this. i will really gladly give them. they're not going to learn anything but it's under routine audit. when the audit ends, i will presenting them. i hope it's before the election. >> what is your tax rate? >> it's none of your business. i fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. >> reporter: so none of your business was his response. we also wanting to point out something that the campaign will be happy about. las vegas business and casino magnet sheldon addelson wrote an op-ed endorsing trump. he said because the alternative is frightening. he said he doesn't agree on every issue with donald trump but argued that nobody really agrees with every issue with every candidate. he said donald trump has created a movement in this country that cannot be denied and the stakes are too high to sit on the

sidelines. finally, of course, trump and the campaign says they have had a big day after yesterday. though this morning he did say he was surprised, though not really surprised that he didn't get a full endorsement, saying that if he didn't in the end, that he and ryan would go their separate ways and he would win anyway. peter. >> jacob, thank you very much. that's one soap opera that continues to play out in new york and, frankly, here in washington. luke russert is back on the hill for us this morning. that was entertaining to hear what donald trump saying. we all wanting to see how he will play with that experience yesterday after he goes back on the road. we are seeing more of those wavering republicans become at least a little more complimentary in the way that they speak of donald trump. >> reporter: peter, let me start off by apologizing. there's a high school choir behind me here in the rotunda singing for some members of congress. so this will be one of the most,

i should say, relaxing live shots we've ever done if everyone wants to go to a spa right after this, go ahead. you mentioned the members of congress trying to coalesce around donald trump. i'll give you a good example. this morning the trump caucus met at the capitol hill club. it used to have six to eight members. now that's ballooned up to plus 30 with some committee chairmen. but paul ryan has not fully embraced donald trump because there's a serious divide in the house republican caucus. you have some conserve afternoons that don't think donald trump is a true conservative. there's an ideological purity test that they feel that he fails. you have more moderate members that don't like his incendiary comments about banning muslims or certain latinos are rapists coming across the border. there's also questions about his policy position. so paul ryan is trying to influence that policy as much as possible. take a listen to what former house speaker john boehner said about ryan's strategy.

>> donald trump said on one of the talk shows this past sunday that it's called the republican party, it's not called the conservative party. trying, i think, to draw this distinction between some of your former colleagues, saying they are conservatives, like paul ryan, and others who are more pragmatic, i can go this way, i can go that way as donald trump seems to be. >> i would describe him as pragmatic. and clear low not conservative. i think what paul -- >> so why would paul ryan want his party taken over by somebody who's not a conservative. >> he may or may not. but the fact is donald trump is going to be the nominee. i think what paul is trying to do is to help shape the direction of trump's policies. >> reporter: and, peter, paul ryan did bring budget charts to that meeting yesterday, i am told, trying to explain to donald trump what some of the most important policy positions were within the house gop conference. we'll see if the presumptive nominee is willing to listen.

peter. >> luke, i think you need to check your phone. i think you're getting a call. i'm guessing that's your ring tone at this point. that's what we hear when we chase you around the hill. luke russert, thank you very much for your update. the true test will come in weeks and months ahead, whether trump can get the support of the waning republican members of the house and senate. still a substantial number within the conference. all 246 republicans in the house are up for re-election this year. a lot of incumbent gop senators are worried that trump at the top of the ticket could really damage their bids for another term because they'll effectively be forced to respond to everything their nominee says or does. joining me now is republican congressman adam kinzinger, one of donald trump's harshest critics. congressman, nice to visit with you. >> thanks for having me, i appreciate it. >> it's got to be your ring tone as well. we hear that music behind you. you've said that donald trump has to learn that his words have impact. you said this just within the

last 24 hours. republican legislators need to work to bring him to a position in your words where he starts to sound like a republican. has anything or has enough changed since this meeting for you to start to feel more comfortable coming toward an endorsement of your party's presumptive nominee? >> not yet. look, paul ryan came out and said we're beginning the process hopefully of unification. those in my position obviously hope we can get behind the republican because we're republicans. i've never not been behind the republican candidate. but just like any private citizen, we have to make decisions. you have to decide who you want to vote for, so does a member of congress. when you hear some of the harsh rhetoric from donald trump, the violent rhetoric and the nonsensical foreign policy positions, we need to see a lot more, at least i do. i can't speak for everybody else but i need to see more leadership. >> some people have suggested that trump is softening his stance on a muslim ban. he still wants a temporary ban of nearly all members of the

world's fastest-growing religion from entering the u.s. one interview he said it was a suggestion now. in the next, though, he said it would happen with exceptions. so are you comfortable with his position on this ban as it currently stands? >> not yet. look, i think it's counter to our constitutional principles. i mean we're fighting radical jihadists but not all muslims are radical jihadists. we're a sun trcountry that prot life, liberty, but he hasn't gone far enough. we need to screen people for sure. i support a ban temporarily on syrian refugees until we know how to screen them but that's different than saying we want to ban all muslims. >> congressman, obviously words matter. you know full well as a representative of your constituents, words matter. when you're president, the folks to whom you're speaking are not just here in the u.s., but the globe is listening. so even if you say he needs to walk it back, are you comfortable with this being a

candidate who says things that are way out there, even if he does later walk them back? isn't that potentially dangerous for a commander in chief? >> yeah, it is. look, i'm not comfortable and that's why i haven't endorsed him yet because i want to see some change. i don't know if i can ever get there. i obviously want to get there but it's on donald trump to get to do that. just yesterday i was talking to an ambassador from an ally in the middle east and he said the words of donald trump have been terrible. he said keep in mind, we're friends of yours, but we have an anti-west faction in our country that we still have to deal with and this has given them ammunition to say, look, the they are basically in bed with people who hate islam. the best thing we can use in the war against isis is muslims willing to put boots on the ground. >> so if he walks it back, is this a character issue that you're concerned about even if it's not specific to this one example? >> yeah, look, you have

statement after statement that very much violates what you would read about abraham lincoln saying, what you would hear ronald reagan saying, who are two optimistic leaders of our party. he has not proven himself worthy of their job there. i hope he gets there. i hope he realizes that lo leadership is more than populist rhetoric. there are people that support me that support him but i have a decision to make just like every american does. >> ten months obviously a resume where he's had a lot of these erratic statements. we'll see if he can convince you that he's a changed man. representative, congressman, nice to visit with you, appreciate it. john, nice to see you in person, appreciate you being here. let's talk about paul ryan right now. we were speaking about this topic yesterday. obviously he's like the holdout, a major holdout. so how long can he go like this? how significant and how much

impact is every day, week, even month that passes without him saying in one form or eanother, yep, i'm on board or i'm not. >> paul has his own credibility on the line. he's trying to protect his members like adam kinzinger who are trying to get through this process. part of it is a grieving process their guys didn't get through and part it is dealing with all the statements donald trump made in the past going all the way back 25 years to the "washington post" article. he's a quirky -- >> how can he qualify that he's a changed man when these are statements that go back for decades? >> part of this is respecting the will of the republican primary voters and that process. republican primary voters want chamber of commer change. donald trump is an imperfect vessel for change. he's not the best candidate we've ever come up with but he's also not the worst. polls show that he's going to do pretty well against hillary clinton because this is a change election and hillary clinton is a status go candidate.

>> donald trump said that he's flexible on most topics. flexibility is a concern for a lot of members of congress who are going to wake up and hear this unpredictable candidate say something they didn't know about and be forced to say do you agree or disagree with that. how problematic is it to be a flexible candidate? >> it reminds me of everett dirkson who said his most important quality was flexibility. lately it's become a quality that people distrust. >> now about down ballot, though. is it good for others to take a stance and the brash personality he is? >> i think the american people wanting stuff to get done in washington. they're sick and tired of washington where there's too many inflexible positions and no ability to come together and get tough done for the country. that's why they voted for donald trump. >> the tone right now is a big do deal. is this stuff -- is this just a game that we're watching? oh, no, i'm going to take a

little time, i'm going to let everybody think about it. i've thought about it. i don't feel 100% on board but i'm going to support our guy who's better than hillary clinton. >> i don't know. i think a lot of people are having a hard time. donald trump is a change agent and change is hard for a lot of these folks and he's a complete nonpolitician. these people are used to a political process where you reward good behavior. there's a lot of bad behavior here. you're scratching your head, how can this guy be our president. but he is a change agent and people want change. coming up here on msnbc, we're going to turn to the democratic race. after endless attacks from donald trump, hillary clinton, she's starting to fire back. her campaign's response to the trump allegations ahead. plus, this morning the obama administration directs schools to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms according to their gender identity. but will schools across the u.s. follow that directive? stay with us live on msnbc.

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turning back now to the presidential race, what else are we talking about for the next six months, the clinton campaign has launched something they call the daily donald as they take sharper aim at the republican front-runner. we want to find out what it's all about. carrie dann is joining us now. it sounds catchy, but what does it mean? >> this is what general election looks like for a rapid response team. this is an effort of the clinton rapid response team coming out of brooklyn that seeks to compile lots of headlines about donald trump. this is the thing campaigns do when they enter the general election but it shows hillary clinton is moving toward a very, very square focus on donald trump and trying to cut through, i think, one of the challenges that they have. when you're facing somebody like donald trump who is constantly in the news cycle, who is giving interviews on sometimes an

hourly basis, there's a lot of headlines coming out of that. they're trying to highlight individual stories and make sure that everything from policy to sear stories like his butler's remarks are being highlighted so there's a cornucopia for the media to choose from. >> it's impossible to keep up with donald trump, as we both know, trying to do just that. he speaks all across every outlet, every given hour of every day. i think what's striking is both campaigns want to make this a referendum on the other one. the clintons want to be playing on donald trump's territory. trump wants to be playing on the clintons territory and this is the latest carnation that the clintons hope sticks. >> and both candidates are going into this general election with rock bottom negatives. they are both disliked by majorities on both sides. it's really kind of -- >> it's unprecedented right?

>> donald trump in our latest nbc news/wall street journal poll hit not only his lowest favorability rating, it's the lowest in the history of the poll. hillary clinton is at the bottom of her -- >> so let's be clear. those numbers have been becoming more and more unfavorable over the course of this campaign. >> absolutely. even though we've seen republicans coalescing around the idea of a donald trump as a presumptive nominee, from a general election perspective, you are seeing those numbers continue to go down. he continues to take hits with young people, with minorities, with women. these are groups that the clinton campaign really wants to target. if you look at the things that they highlighted in this latest episode of the daily donald, what they want to highlight specifically are things that might speak to those groups, whether it's working moms or young people or minorities who are worried about what their station in the united states might look like under a donald trump presidency. >> obviously donald trump is such an unconventional candidate, it was striking for those of us covering politics for some time to hear him this morning when asked by abc news about his tax rates, he said

it's none of your business. but for a large swath of the population will say, hey, way to tell them. we don't need the mainstream media asking that question. but i suspect there are people in the middle that want there to be a sufficient vetting taking place. one of the reasons why trump doesn't want his taxes out there is it's a pretty good attack line if you say you know what income he makes and where it comes from. it's a lot easier to say under donald trump's tax plan he stands to save this much money but that could be a very dangerous attack line for him. there is obviously a calculus here for trump. >> and it's difficult to track where trump stands on this issue. on the issue of tax returns, he went from saying he would have for problem releasing those tax rurnlts. then blaming it on an audit. now he says he may not release them before november. then he said again, i never said i wouldn't release them before november, i'll release them when the audit is complete and we don't know when that's going to be. one of the efforts and one of the challenges of the campaign is to keep track of all those statements and macsure that the

general electorate is aware of the different positions he's taken. the problem with donald trump is even in the same breath today he said i'm not relaxing my stance on the muslim ban, another thing that is clearly important for a general election. but said i'm also flexible, right. so he keeps the door open to changes. it's a real challenge for somebody trying to run against him. >> he's going on people's willingness to trust that he'll do the right thing. carr carrie, nice to see you. new guidance from the departments of justice and education telling schools they should allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their gender identity. ron allen covers the white house for us. he's on the north lawn right now with this. ron, this is a significant move. the question is will it hold in effect. will schools follow? >> well, there's a lot of pressure on them to do that and this is just another step by president obama who's been a very outspoken advocate for tra transgender rights. he's getting even more deeply

involved in this controversial issue. his administration is issuing a sweeping directive that will impact every public school and every student in america. transgender students must be allowed to use bathrooms that match their gender identity. schools that do not comply risk the loss of federal aid. that warning coming in a letter from the departments of justice and education to public schools nationwide. the letter first reported by "the new york times" said educators have an obligation to provide equal access to all students under title ix, including everything from restrooms to locker rooms. officials say the guidelines are an attempt to clarify civil rights protection for transgender students, an issue that has left educators and parents frustrated. last fall students in missouri walked out in protest after a transgender student was allowed to use the girls bathroom. some parents were upset the school did not have a clear policy on the issue. >> there's no rules set forth. i think we can all agree that changing in the locker room or

going to the restroom are very private activities. >> the new guidelines come just days after the justice department and the state of north carolina sued each other over a state law restricting access to public rest rooms. a law that attorney general loretta lynch says discriminates against the transgender community. >> we stand with you and will do everything we can to protect you going forward. please know that history is on your side. >> it's important to point out that the administration's directive is not a legal requirement. its impact is because of the threat of cutting off billions of dollars of federal money that schools rely heavily on. the reaction to this as you might expect has been fierce and prompt. the governor of texas, greg abbott, for example, tweeted out i announced today that texas is fighting this. obama can't rewrite the civil rights act, he says. he is not a king. we expect to hear more of that from conservative areas around the country who feel this is a matter that should be decided by states and local communities, not here at the white house. peter. >> ron, thank you very much. you're exactly right.

also we're keeping a close eye and expect to hear from lieutenant governor of texas on this very issue coming up in the next half an hour or so. when we hear from him, we will bring that to you. there is more breaking news in from new hampshire. a massive manhunt under way after two police officers were shot. this happened early this morning. the latest on the search for that suspect is ahead. also, london's new mayor vows he'll do whatever he can to help hillary clinton defeat donald trump in november. kelly cobiella sits down with sadiq khan, the first muslim leader of any western capital. that's coming up right here on "msnbc live" next after the break. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is only one place where real and amazing live.

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manhunt that happened in manchester forcing several schools in that area to shut down. authorities also told residents on manchester's west side that they should stay indoors. police say both officers who were shot are recovering at local hospitals. there's still no immediate details about the shootings that have yet been released. london just elected its first muslim mayor and sadiq khan has wasted little time sharing his thoughts on donald trump. kelly cobiella spoke with london's new mayor this morning. kelly? >> hi, good morning, peter. yeah, he's been talking about donald trump basically all week long. he was sworn into office last saturday. we met up with mayor khan after an event at an elementary school in london this morning. we had about five minutes with him and we asked him about this back-and-forth with donald trump about a ban on muslims entering the u.s. donald trump saying the mayor would be an exception. mr. khan saying no, thank you, to that, it's just not about him. so i asked mayor khan would he

personally welcome donald trump if the candidate were to visit the u.k. >> i would introduce myself to him as a mainstream muslim. also introduce him to the hundreds of thousands, dare i say millions of muslims in this country who love being british, love being western and there's nothing incompatible with being a muslim and being -- i want to educate trump and show him that you can be muslim and be western. >> you know radicalization is an issue in london, in the u.k. it's a concern for people in the united states. what is your plan? how do you combat it in this city? what do you say to americans about london and being safe in london? >> i want to work with american politicians, politicians around the world to grapple with extremism and radicalization. it's personal to me. i'm a londoner and here in

london in 2005 extremists, terrorists tried to destroy our way of life. but for the grace of god it would have been my wife, my daughters on those trains or buses. we've got to make these people recognize that islam and the west are compatible. we've got to promote positive role models, people who are western and muslim. we've got to make sure our youngsters are resilient with so when somebody comes along and tries to radicalize them, tries to brain wash them. say it's not possible to be western and muslim, say you're talking rubbish, it is. i've got friends who are jewish, i've got friends who are yis janua christian and don't hate us. when people say the reason why you have poor housing, poor education is because of your faith, say that's rubbish. >> you do get the sense, peter, this is very personal for mayor khan. he told me he would like to visit the united states. he says he's had invitations

from mayors of new york, chicago, los angeles, didn't say when he would be coming to the u.s. of course he's focused right now on his job as mayor of london but he is an unabashed supporter of hillary clinton. he has two daughters and he thinks that she would be a great role model. peter. >> i certainly think he's going to be another name we hear throughout the course of this campaign season. sadiq khan in that conversation with you, kelly. we have more breaking news happening in texas. the lieutenant governor, dan patrick, holding a news conference responding to president obama's new guidance to schools on transgender bathrooms. >> i don't think it will hold up in court. but as you know, late last night barack obama did exactly what i said would happen. he did it sooner than i thought. but i said on tuesday that this was a statewide and a national issue. let's get to the heart of

obama's policy. i believe it is the biggest issue facing families and schools in america since prayer was taken out of public schools. he has set a policy in place that will divide the country not along political lines but along family values and school districts. he says he's going to withhold funding if schools do not follow the policy. well, in texas, he can keep his 30 pieces of silver. we will not yield to blackmail from the president of the united states. and let me point out something. the schools in texas get about $10 billion over our two-year budget of federal funds.

a majority of that is for free breakfast and free lunch through the food program. through the ag department. so barack obama, if schools don't knuckle down to force girls showering with boys and force 8-year-old girls to have to endure boys coming into their bathroom, he's taking money from the poorest of the poor. the president of the united states will be ending the free breakfast and free lunch program. that's what he's saying. now, i've already talked to a number of caucuses today. when i said the following, i got a standing ovation every time. and it was, again, we will not be blackmailed by the president's 30 pieces of silver. we will not sell out our children to the federal government. and the people of texas and the legislature will find a way to find as much of that money as we can if we are forced to.

there is no compromise on this issue. this is a modern day come and take it issue and the president of the united states, like the superintendent of ft. worth, is not coming and taking our children. this is also going to be a tremendous boost to a program that i've been supporting for years, school choice. if this eventually prevails in the courts, i don't think it will, but if it does, parents are going to demand, not just then but now, to take their tax dollars and put their children in private schools. just like when prayer was taken out of public schools, it really became the impetus for the home school movement. i believe you'll see an explosion of home schools if this prevails. parents will look for private schools. parents are not going to send their 14-year-old daughters into the shower to the bathroom with 14-year-old boys. it's not going to happen. and as i said yesterday on the stage and in the interview, this

is not a partisan issue. many of you know representative desotel. i understand he put out a letter talking about the ft. worth issue, that it was a distraction. you know, we have more important things to do. and i remind you that in houston, as i've said on the stage yesterday and i've said to you, we defeated this ordinance in houston in a 2-1 margin in a city that is 2-1 democrat. the president is going to find democrat families will push back against this, republican families, black families, white families, brown families. this goes against the values of so many people. it has nothing to do with anything being against a transgender child or a gay child. nothing to do. we address harassment and bullying in the country and in the state. this has everything to do with keeping the federal government out of local issues.

and by the way, i hope some of you go back and interview some of the people who are shouting me down tuesday when they said dan patrick should stay out of local issues. first of all, i knew it wasn't a local issue but i have a feeling that some of those same hypocrites today will be cheering the president. >> we've been listening to the lieutenant governor, dan patrick, of the state of texas. his response to the administration's effort now effectively telling schools that they should allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their gender identity and basically accused the president, president obama, of trying to blackmail the state of texas here. i want to get to my colleague, tony dokoupil. give us a sense, obviously this is the latest flash point in the culture wars of sorts in the united states. do we anticipate more states to fight like the state of of texas? >> i think you definitely can. and the reason why is there is an unbridgeable division between the obama administration and the ta states that want to take issue with guidance like that.

the obama administration is saying that gender identity is innate. one's internal sense is innate and should be a protected category just like skin color. the lieutenant governor of texas appeared the governor of north carolina and officials in illinois and other states more and more are saying, no, it is a choice. they don't like these sorts of guidances for two reasons. one, they don't think the obama administration should be able to define what sex means and they also don't believe that gender identity, one's internal sense of whether they're a boy or girl, is something you are born with so you have arguments like the one you saw today. and there are these scary seeming lines such as the lieutenant governor saying we don't want to force girls to shower with boys. parents are not going to send their 14-year-old daughters into the shower -- >> are there examples of this happening right now? >> there are absolutely not and that's just the thing. so the fear is that if you allow people to choose to be a boy one

day or choose to be a girl another day, then heterosexual boys will say i'm a girl and then dance into the girls shower in a locker room. there's no record of that happening. it's pretty obvious if a boy tried to do that. what the obama administration is trying to protect is the genuine understanding of one's internal sense that i may have been born a boy but my internal sense is i'm a girl and i want access to the girls locker room. the way it's discussed by the lieutenant governor there makes it sound much more predatory than what the obama administration is saying which is this is a person's natural state. they cannot change it. it is not a willy-nilly, one day i feel this, one day i feel that jokey sort of thing. >> tony dokoupil is giving us an update after listening to the lieutenant governor of texas push back. coming up on monday, the texas governor, greg abbott, will join "morning joe" live as he weighs into this topic as well. first, new information on

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live now on msnbc, we have exclusive news following donald trump's campaign money. we learned this week that he is not self-funding his general election campaign. that's a significant change from trump, the primary candidate. >> i would have had hundreds of millions of dollars if i wanted to have a super pac and if i wanted to have other people fund my campaign. i don't want other people to fund my campaign. look, i'm the only one that's self-funding, democrat, republican. everyone else is taking money from i call them the blood suckers. these people are all taking money from special interests. let me tell you, the politicians

will never do the job because they're bought and paid for, folks. we have a movement, and you know what i'm getting for this movement? i get nothing. i'm self-funding my campaign. >> now, the trump campaign says it will work with the rnc to raise up to $1 billion for the general election. we have some news on where that money might go. this morning msnbc's ari melber is reporting that the trump campaign won't rule out new donations to pay donald trump $36 million for a loan. ari, in effect he gave his campaign some money, said he wasn't spending any of it but in effect some folks are paying that money. >> what we're reporting on is the actual structure of what donald trump has done, not what he says, and what the campaign will or won't rule out. take a look at so far you'll see he's only spent about $300,000 directly. that's that tiny sliver on your screen. the rest of the money, everything he's put in, $35.9

million is in loans. that means the campaign can always pay him back some or all of that money. up to this point, according to the fec filings, he has not written off that loan which means the campaign still technically owes it to him. here's what corey lewandowski said about this in march. he said emphatically he is not going to repay himself. lewandowski, the campaign manager, told the a.p. that was during the primaries when there was no pot of money to repay himself. i spoke to the fec's general counsel who said, look, trump loaned himself money with the idea that he would pay himself back. in other words, you don't need to be a lawyer, no duh, to know that loans are made to be paid back. and what's new now, i can tell you having spoken to paul manafort, another trump campaign aide, they won't rule it ou. they have now hundreds of millions coming in and here's what they told me in a new report out this morning here on air for the first time. trump's campaign manager telling msnbc, it's not the campaign's, quote, intention right now to

use fund-raising to pay back the loans. i asked him point blank will you rule it out, will you write off these loans? because some other candidates have, like hillary clinton in past cycles, technically used the loan structure, but then written it off. they would not say they'll do that. they would not take it off the table. i spoke to another trump aide who had a similar response. legalally the campaign has until august to decide what to do with all this new money coming in. until august they could use some or all of the loan to pay it back. so they could pay back $5 million or all $36 million. it is a big and interesting development that obviously could affect how donald trump raises money. do people think they're kicking in for the future campaign or pay back and put money directly in donald trump's pocket. >> what you hear routinely from trump supporters, they volunteer the fact that he has been self-funding his campaign when in fact we're learning there's a better than good chance that won't be the case going forward. but it seems to me that the

decision they're making, the calculus, is this is in fact complicated. this requires understanding the mechanics of it and he hopes that sort of sales pitch sticks. >> i think that's a great point. look, obviously those of us in politics and the law will dig into these filings. it's only because of federal law we know any of this, it's required. i do think long term this candidate who has run on all of his differences from normal politicians, that he's not spinning, that he's not beholden, if they take too many acts that look like politics, blurring the lines, spinning on what this means and taking hundreds of millions from fat cats, the question of the voters would be does that look like politics as usual? that's an open question. >> all right, thank you very much. i want to get to our friends. francesca chambers, the white house correspondent for the dale mail.com, robert costa, both joining us right now. at the end of the day trump made it clear that he was lending his

campaign this $36 million. do you expect that he'll repay himself with donations from supporters? and i guess more importantly, does that matter? how significant will that be? >> what we're seeing from the trump campaign is a willingness to raise funds. they're going to have their first major fund-raiser on may 25th in los angeles at the home of tom barrick, a long time investor and friend of donald trump. >> the guy behind neverland ranch, isn't he? >> that's right. he owns the neverland ranch. he's famous for buying some of these celebrity properties that fall into hard times. so trump will be raising money for his own campaign but also trying to raise money for party officials. will some of that go back to repaying his loans? that's expected, based on my reporting. >> francesca, the problem for trump is that he's in a huge financial hole right now. the numbers from the end of march found that clinton had about $29 million on hand. trump has just over $2 million on hand. so in practical terms for the trump campaign, what is the

potential impact here? >> in practical terms, it's going to cost $1 billion to run a general election. possibly more. it would be very difficult for mr. trump to come up with all of that money on his own. he's going to have to fund raise. that's why he has to make nice with the republican national committee and with paul ryan as well because they can provide that kind of structure that he doesn't have currently to be able to fund raise. they have donor lists and all kinds of information that he'll be able to use to line up some people to give him this money. so it's not just about raising money for down ballot candidates. it is about raising money for his campaign going forward. >> robert, give me a sense in the wake of what we saw in washington yesterday, this circus we witnessed across capitol hill with donald trump meeting privately first with house leaders and then with leaders in the senator. obviously for those members, individuals like paul ryan, there is a real concern about those folks down ballot and want to make sure donald trump does everything in his power to help raise the money they need to protect their own seats.

>> that's exactly right. there's a concern on capitol hill about projecting the majorities that republicans won in 2010 and 2014. so what the meetings yesterday were about were not so much about brokering a peace between the hill leadership and donald trump, it was making sure how the hill leadership sees the republican brand and a hope from the gop leadership that trump will help preserve that brand by not distancing himself too far from the policies and the style and the posture of the republican party. >> francesca, you cover the clinton campaign often and cover the democrats with great freaks s -- frequency. self-funding is what his volunteers like about him. do the clinton folks starting the daily donald, do they see this as a way that they can poke and prod at trump that they think can resonate or will they focus elsewhere? >> so far their focus has been on the things that he said about the muslim ban, the things he

said about immigration. they think that he'll sink under his own weight from these comments that are inflammatory to groups that have typically been bases of the democratic party. hispanics, african-americans, women. all those things will add up. another thing that's very interesting that they have said is that they don't think his name calling at hillary, calling her crooked hillary, they don't think that that's really going to pan out for him. it's pand out for the republican race but they think he's not a credible messenger and so that his attacks on her about those things are really not going to have much effect in this race. >> it's going to be a long haul going forward. good to see you, appreciate your help today. the u.s. government says fewer americans are traveling to fight alongside isis. james comey says the latest statistics reveal one person a month attempts to travel overseas to join isis. that's the average. it's down from six to ten people per month during the first half of last year. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engle has tracked down the identities of

americans who have left this country to fight for isis. this is part of a new series powder by dateline called "on assignment." richard, thanks for being with us right now, i'm looking forward to watching your reporting. so what specifically did we learn about this newest phase of isis fighters? >> so the report that we've prepared that is going to air on sunday on this "dateline" program at 7:00 p.m. eastern is an examination of documents. if you remember, peter, over the last couple of months we've been looking into a trove of documents that we've received. there were over 4,000 names listed in these documents of isis foreign fighters. many of them were europeans, many had come from arab country, and these were people who decided they wanted to leave their home countries and join isis in 2013 and 2014. and among this enormous stack of

documents, we found 15 americans. so for the last several weeks we put a team together and we went across this country trying to find out who these people are. we spoke to family members, their friends, former teachers, to see if we could understand how they got radicalized, why they left this country, what drove them to leave behind in some cases successful lives, good schools, friends, to join the world's most brutal terrorist organization. that's our story. what the fbi director is saying is that currently now, 2016, that there have been restrictions in place that would make it more difficult for the kind of people we were investigating to leave this country and join isis. but of course that's a double-sided sword because if you tighten the borders and you make it more difficult for people to escape the country, join isis, fight, join the mill tan

-- mill tangt group, it means that they're still here and you've effectively locked them inside your own borders. i know that's something that u.s. law enforcement officials are concerned about. >> richard engle, we look forward to seeing your out standing reporting this weekend. don't miss the rest of richard's report to air this sunday. it's called "on assignment" airing at 7:00 eastern/6:00 central. that's going to wrap it up. tune in for a behind-the-scenes look at what it's like to cover one of the most fascinating presidential campaigns in recent history. my colleagues, we're getting them all become together, they're hosting a special broadcast called "road warriors" today at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. my friend tamron hall picks up our coverage next. thanks for being with us. hmmmmmm.....

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good morning, everyone, i'm tamron hall. we begin with developing news out of the white house affecting every public school in this country. the obama administration calling for public schools to allow students to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity and not necessarily the gender they were born. transgender bathroom use has been certainly a hot issue since north carolina passed the bill banning transgender people from using bathrooms and locker rooms that match their current gender identity. state officials are already reacting to this new mandate. in fact the lieutenant governor of texas, dan patrick, reacted to the news a short time ago and what he refers to as blackmail from the president. nbc's ron allen is at the white house with more on this major news, of course. as people try to digest what this means, ron, and the indications that it has for

school districts who choose not to adhere to this civil rights issue as the white house calls it. >> exactly. that's how president obama sees it. he has been a strong advocate for the rights of transgender people and here is another step in the process. you referenced north carolina, the legal battle there and the administration's efforts to change the law there. this deals with what essentially is billions and billions of dollars in federal aid for education and potentially other areas of federal aid that the administration is saying could be cut off if these states don't comply -- if the states don't comply and school districts don't comply by letting transgender people use bathrooms, locker rooms, according to their gender identity. it's become a huge issue in many communities. in illinois, there's a group of 50 families who are suing the school district to change the la