>> what is your name again? >> john miller. >> the post reports in 1990s and trump testified that he did on occasion using john miller and based on the recording of the 1991 calls, he likes to brag about the women suing him including madonna. >> the people that you write about, they just call. >> the voice in the recording, he brags about trump dating multiple womens. he got three other girlfriends. >> celebrity businessman on the rise according to the washington post talking to reporters while posing as somebody else playing stories about himself. it was a tactic that donald trump played for years.

donald trump said no it was not him and this morning he phoned in the "today show" and denying that it was not him. >> i don't know anything about it and you are telling me about it for the first time. i have many, many people tried to imitate my voice and you can imagine that. this sounds like one of the mini scams. it does not sound like me. >> that was trump's denial. he was a lit bit adamant. >> it was not me on the phone and it does not sound like me on the phone, it was not me on the phone and how long was this? >> 25 years ago? 25 years ago indeed. headline today is that mr. trump is the presumptive nominee. he's under going a type of

microscopic scrutiny. katy, let me begin with you. does the campaign worry it feeds into this image of trump as perhaps too juvenile to be the leader of the free world, president of the u.s. >> the campaign does not like that and reporters are digging this up about donald trump. they don't like to be asked about it on donald. they feel it is old news and they're trying to say that reporters are smearing donald trump for his past. then they are also saying he's headline. anything that's been brought up had been out there for quite sometime. the only one that seems to care are reporters. is it something that's potentially damaging for donald trump, we'll have to see. it is certainly speaks to a tone that he had quite a problem when it comes to republican leaders.

just what kind of character he has had over the past few decades or whether or not that made him fit for the job. that's many arguments that many democrats will be making and the argument that some of his republican colleagues are having privately. >> we also have this unfolding story about trump's former butler, mother jones reported of his facebook rant where he hoped that president obama would be killed. what is the reaction from secret service and also from donald trump of this campaign? >> reporter: he was his former butler and he's now running an an antique business from largo. he's the unofficial historians for mar largo. he stayed on even after they asked him to retire.

that's what he told msnbc news a couple months ago. the secret service is investigating the threats he has made to president obama and he's not backing down from his opinion. listen to what he told one of our own reporters on the phone. >> there is more than some issues with him. he's a -- traitor, period. that's the way i feel. >> so you think what should be done with traitor? >> he should be hung. i think he should be hung next to hillary clinton. i think he should be televised of the white mosque. it used to be the white house. >> that sort of language and

talk to any president -- i interrinte interviewed him a couple months ago. the two men are still in touch whether donald trump agrees with these comments is certainly unfair. the campaign has said he does not work in largo and has not been in many years. as for the campaign, donald trump has not come out and made any mention of his former butler, at least not yet. >> katy tur outside of trump's tower here in manhattan. >> i want to go to our colleague kelly o' donnel and talk about the good part of donald trump. kelly, the fact, we have the meetings of donald trump on capitol hill and with the republicans. the reaction i know you have been pulling it together for everybody. i want to play what trump said

today on the "today" show. >> were you disappointment there is no endorsement coming out of that meeting. >> no, it is a process, i was a little bit surprise but not that surprise. many senators and congressmen are pouring in and we got many endorsements yesterday. i think it will come. if it does not come, i will go my separate way. >> kelly, a bit of an you wiult there. >> reporter: lawmakers were looking for so that's is sort of the good column for donald trump who appears to have more than one persona. then there is the kind of person who walked into meetings and willing to listen and willing to

acknowledge there are ways in which his candidacy affects the republican party and lawmakers. because of his willingness to listen does not wipe away on differences in issue. we saw both leaders in congress who run the committee to reelect. he does say some offensive and outrageous things and that candidates are free to separate themselves from that. the unity for the party is important. a bit of a more traditional comment from roger wicker in charged of the republicans saying he's the party nominee and we'll unify and go forward. this will be measured in steps. one of this things is important is as donald trump builds his candidacy of policies and bringing different aids and

staffers. will that person be someone who could also serves an ambassador between trump. a big candidacy and the work that's needed on capitol hill. >> it will continue certainly for speaker ryan and donald trump. thank you very much kelly. i want to bring in michael a former senior advisor to bush for house speaker john boehner. michael, it is good to have you with me. listening to kelly there and some of the worries, when we have these recent stories of largo or the tape of the guy claiming to be john miller that representing trump and sounded awfully a lot like trump. do you worry these types of stories are going to pile up? >> absolutely, so many

republicans have conservatives have been concerned of rushing to endorse donald trump because every time you think you hit bottom and every time you think there is nothing more that can possibly come out, we get new bizarre shananigans and certainly on his able become commandeering chief. >> this is a process where we are going to work with the presumptive nominee to get to a place where republicans on capitol hill and across the country can support him if they can get to that place. by unifying the party, that's the only way we'll get the party together and beat hillary clinton in november. that won't happen if we pave over these dircfferences. we got to talk about them and get better results. >> the democrats, there is nobody out on the left over the nomination. donald trump is the presumptive nominee. i will play from the "today

show" whether trump is still serious of the ban on muslims. >> are you softening your stance? >> i am not president right now anything i suggest is a suggestion. >> is that to be able to put your trust behind someone being the president of the united states basically when he's saying don't take anything i say too seriously. >> this is a problem of donald trump, his statements one day is not seriously operative on the next day. there is never been a practical implication of how proposals are implemented. that's one of this things that get people appalled on his candida candidacy. >> why would this give you pause

on concerns of anymore than the fact it did not happen by the time president obama was elected again. >> there is no doubt that every candidate campaigns on what they like to accomplish and not necessarily of able to achieve. president obama's campaign against hillary clinton on the universal health care and embraced it when he's the president of the united states. in this case it is troubling lack of clarity on the part of the nominee >> we got a lot of clarity. john boehner was asked about several issues on donald trump and whether he agree on the policy or not, take a listen. >> temporarily ban muslims from the country. >> no. >> build a wall across mexico.

>> no. >> ter upar up a bunch of trade agreements. >> not taking any syrian refugees and send them back. >> no. >> and this neo isolation of america first, his speech in washington couple weeks ago. >> why are you for him? >> that's the big question there. how do you say no so many times but finally say yes i will vote for him to be president? >> well, there is always going to be disagreements with every big political party. we are seeing that playing out between senator sanders and secretary clinton. there are areas where a lot of republicans on immigration on foreign policy and tax policy. >> these are his biggest comments as a candidate. those comments of building a wall and he encourages them to chant back and forth about what

i am going to do. these are well known positions of a nominee trump. if you know donald trump and his position from following the primary, he's saying no to most of them and saying yes to him electing him to office, that does not match up. >> people are working through a way to find a way to unify the party and a wake of that or as that decision is being made. >> also, do you think donald trump should and will release his tax returns before november? >> i certainly hope so and exec so. >> michael. it is great to have you on, appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> do you think donald trump should release his tax returns now? the pulse is live, go to pulse

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let the states decide. it is much better is a local issue. i don't think it is a federal issue. i see what's happening and it is becoming such a big situation. you know what?

everybody has to be protected and i feel strongly about that but you are talking about a tiny group of population. >> we have donald trump this morning talking on the "today show" of the controversial of transgender rights to allow gender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity. >> in texas, the state's governor spoke out against this policy today. >> we will not heal to be blackmailed for the president of the united states. >> paris aents are not going tod the 14 years old daughter into the bathroom of males. that cannot happen. >> jonining us now are mimi and joel lamay. they are the parents of jacob.

the video link on our website, it went viral afterwards. we welcome you the lemays and we say thank you for sharing jacob's story because as parents and going through this, i am sure it was not easy to share what you have gone through with jacob. mimi, i want to get your reaction to president obama and what he's trying to do for public schools and allowing transgender students to use the restrooms to match their gender identity, do you support that? >> absolutely, i am delighted that he has done it. it is a right move and contagious move. it is good for the schools and students. every one in america deserving a right to education from k-12. if students cannot use the facility during the day at school, it will definitely h hamper their ability to have a good education.

>> joel, what do you make of this of people who may not know a transgender child or what it is like to have a kid like jacob and be able to explain this simplicity of being able to go to the bathroom in the school, something that matches their gender id, how would you try to convince somebody that this is okay, we just need to educate about it. >> well, i will say it is okay. it has been okay and states like massachusetts, for example, where it is already a standard that kids should be able to use the bathroom that matches their identity and it has no been a problem, a practical problem for real schools in reality. but, what is the reality is that there are many children, kids and young people who are transgender and have a terrible time if their school is not supportive of them. just really gets in the way of their mental health as well as their education. this is extremely important for people like our son and that's

why we share our stories so that people know that this is not so tiny part of the population. it really is -- everyone is important even if it is a small minority. >> mimi, do you empathize with the lack of understanding with others of what it means to be a child like jacob and to grow up and what it means in terms of a sacrifice of rights? >> absolutely, i have a sense of empathy but i cannot extend it for ever. in other words, i understand because i as well when jacob came to us that said i am a boy and there is a moment of doubt of confusion, i thought it was possibly a phase. but, i educated myself and that's what is critical now that

parents are confused of this issue should go to credible sources and read about it and discover stories about transgender individuals and the horrific stories of bullying that goes on in school. perhaps, they can see this issue for what it really is. a transgender girl is a girl and a transgender boy is a boy. just because their physical anatomy did not match up at birth, i ask people to have empathy to open themselves to a new experience and educate themselves before they judge. >> jacob is two years old and he's now six and he is now saying i am a boy. i am sure for you both, you have a younger child who's a girl. this is probably a very upsetting time to figure out what was going on. so you took on the efforts to educate yourselves and while we

are thinking about this right, something so simple as going to the bathroom, explain what you learn for parents as what this means in terms of employment in the country or in terms of what it is like to rent a home or he could be excluded or fired from his job because of being transgender. >> it is very frightening and that's one of the reasons we are work so hard in massachusetts and elsewhere for legislation to pass to protect students and gender adults as well. he has a so far higher statistic chance to be homeless or fired from jobs because he's transgender. unfortunately, drug abuse, all these awful out comes that we hear a lot about. unfortunately, the transgender community has been marginalized and people are not making effort and not enough people are making

the effort to understand what it mean to be transgendered. they are pointing fingers. a child like jacob can show you this. when you are consistent and insistent on your gender identity and troubled about it and when you transition and there is such a difference and so much joy at such a mental and emotional well being comes of it. we need to see that and say this experience is a real experience and we noeed to protect these individuals against harassment. i don't want my son to grow up in a country where he is mistreated. it is not fair and right. it is the promise or the values of our country. >> i will also say -- >> you only have ten seconds left. >> i want to ask you, jacob's favorite thing as a six years old right now is what? >> inventing things. he goes through four pounds of

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more than two decades ago, it is a 1991 obtaining to the post. >> he's somebody that has a lot of options and frankly he gets called by everybody, he gets called by everybody in the book. the types of women. >> trump is saying flat out "the washington post got it wrong." i don't think anything about it. it does not sound like my voice at all. i have many, many people try todd imitate my voice and this sounds like one of the mini scams. it does not sound like me. >> the post says you acknowledged a couple decade ago it was you but it was a joke. >> i don't think it is me, i does not sound like me. i don't know what they are talking about. >> all of this is parallel as trump is trying to get house speaker paul ryan to give him

his endorsement. now, we have trump's campaign monday, he's not self funding his election. that's a big change of the primary candidate. >> i would have had hundred of millions of dollars if i want to have sympathetic and want others to fund my campaign. i am the only one that's self funding democratic republican. everyone else is taking money. these guys are taall taking mon from special interests. politicians will never do their jobs. we have a movement do you know what i am getting for this movement? i am self funding my campaign, okay? we have some news on where that money would go. the trump cam pawn will roll out

using new donations to pay $36 million to pay for the loan. >> can you clear up the money issues and the lengths of what he will be using it for. >> i cannot clear it up because the trump campaign won't clear it up. $317 million is the total amount that donald trump has spent so far. that's what he's spending of $317,000. >> the rest is $35.9 million in loans. back during the primaries when they were self financing. corey lewandowski told ap that there is no way the campaign is going to repay themselves for those loans. they have not written it off which means these are outstanding debts. the main goal as you you would expect is preserving the

prospect of getting your money back at some point. i asked paul manafort about this directly, and he said it is not the campaign's intention right now to use the fund raising to pay back the loans. they would not rule it out. >> that's interesting and potentially important because the campaign now says it wants to raise hundreds of millions of dollars more for the general election. discussi is any of that money going back to donald trump's pocket. this remains an opened question. since we broke this news this morning, we have seen a lot of comments comiing in. there are a few prominent conservatives responding to the story. >> sooner or later, most republicans are going to realize that trump has ran a tony soprano's scan. >> finally, conservative writer,

mathew cotina says donald trump, political made off. those are criticisms have critics. >> he may take people's money and put it back to his own pock. the deadline to find out under the law is august. >> a lot of people will look at that number. 36 million bucks in totaled between the $300,000.35 plus some to think that's all it took for donald trump to secure his par. >> it is pretty frugal. donald trump spept this morning defending his decision to hol on his tax returns now. >> he will make it public but not everyone has the right to

see them. >> do you believe your voters have the right to see your tax returns? >> i don't think they do. i will gladly give them but it is not going to learn anything but it is under routinely. i hope it is before the election. >> what is your tax rate? >> it is none of your business, you will see it when i release it. i fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. >> so our politic reporter, he's in washington for us, eli, after the audit, it may not be until the election for bad audit. we know richard nixon releasing his returns. we got a line of "i am not a crook." do you think supporters care? >> it does no hold water. it offers him an convenient excuse to postpone it.

where he will feel compel to finally release this before the election. i think democrats and hillary clinton will try their best. some republicans are pressured on donald trump to do this. the risk for him if he refuses to do so, this ises the guy that sold himself transparent and had for 30 years created the perception of this sort of crude and stereotype rich guy. now, when people are asking what he's hiding, and for donald trump sort of told it like it is and real honest and blunt throughout his campaign to be hiding this, to be not not transparent him kind of under go his argument. >> mit romney we know he's no fan but he's been tweeting about this this week and on facebook talking about it. the tweet is mr. trump tear down

that tax wall. >> romney thinks there really is in these hidden returns. you know what if there is not? what if it is just a lot of kind of a business junk information and no smoke and gun in there that a lot of people think. does that go to bolster donald trump's claims that people have to get it? >> well, i mean if there is nothing bad in there, it begs the question why won't he release it and get it over with and be transparent and show everybody. this is about donald trump not being as wealthy as he says or wants people to believe that he is. he spent years trying to create this idea. part of marketing and salesmanship sort of inflating a little bit. he sort of hinted this morning that he fought for years to pay

as little in taxes as possible. you know and sort of trying to rather than -- some people look at him and say well, that's unfair and that's sort of selfish and cheating the government. some people look at that supporter saying well, that's right i don't like to pay taxes either, that's what i would do if i could. >> but, you know at the heart of this is how rich is donald trump and has he been honest with everybody for years and years of who he is. >> he was able to save some money in the early '90s by being his own pr agent. we'll see when we get those tax returns. eli, thanks so much. we'll bring on our pulse question today. do you think donald trump should release his tax returns now? >> the results is 79% overwhelmingly say yes and 21% say no, back with more on this.

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millions. we are happy of what we are raising. >> it is a tremendous amount of money. we'll need money to go in california and to win there. >> the democrats want to see your candidate step aside. i know we can all see there that bernie sanders did not like the question that andrea mitchell posed to him on wednesday. is his position staying in potentially weaken for democratic taking in the fall >> no, absolutely not. this is a long myth and there are effects on ultimate nominee. >> 2008 when hillary clinton went all the way to the process and barack obama won.

he was a strong candidate. in term of california, the truth the matter is, bernie sanders's presence in california exactly campaigning and registering thousands and thousands or tens of thousands of new voters in california and bringing people out the primary process. it is going to help democrats up and down the ballot in california. the hillary clinton people and einstein holding the views she does. >> but, jeff -- when you look at the math, you are dishonest telling supporters that you can win when there is only over 1,000 delegates left. >> hillary clinton only needs to win 10% of them before the convention. i mean there is one thing to say toupt take you want to take ate all tit al in the end but telling supporters that you can win is

factually incorrect. so a large democratic turn out maybe at the top two candidates of many ballot races end up being so bernie sanders in california is helping down ballot democrats. so i'm surprised at senator feinstein's position. nobody will get to the convention with the number of pledged delegates they need to win. that's mathematically impossible for either candidate. the stupor deg gats will pick -- super delegates will pick the ones who will win. bernie sanders is a much stronger candidate against donald trump in the fall than hillary clinton. >> that's true but he needs to secure the nomination to do that and doesn't have that opportunity unless he stars to flip super delegates. what names have you been able to flip that say they won't support the presumptive nominee. >> at the convention, after the voting is done and in the regular process we will make an

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