hello. i'm ayman mohyeldin. alex witt is off today. here's what's happening now. tale of the tape. a new accusation from the reporter that interviewed donald trump back in 1991. we'll tell you what she's saying about how the audio suddenly surfaced. defending her dad, ivanka trump responds to critics of her father, you'll hear exactly what she said. fight to the end, bernie sanders is still campaigning, hillary clinton is also pouring resources into some upcoming primary states. what's behind the latest moves? cruel summer. it promises to be one of the

busiest flying seasons ever, the worst part may be before you get on the plane. we begin with politics. new today, donald trump notches a big win, earning endorsement of mega donor sheldon adelson. he is a vegas based billionaire, made his fortune in casinos. pledged $100 million to trump's campaign going forward. also, his daughter ivanka at an event in new york city thursday night. she hit back at her father's critics. >> even if you don't like his viewpoint on a certain topic, i think people respect the fact that he is bold enough to say what he's actually thinking and that's something that we've never really experienced in politics and there should be a lot more of. and i think he's elevated, created dialogue around issues and he's really, it's a powerful

thing. >> trump's garnered praise from an unexpected source, ralph nader. in an interview with u.s. news and world report, he commended trump for, quote, questioning trade agreements and challenging wall street while slamming hillary clinton as a corporatist, mill tarrist democrat. clinton taking a break from the campaign trail, but bernie sanders isn't, taking the stage before an enthusiastic crowd in fargo, north dakota last night. >> no president, not bernie sanders or anybody else can do it alone. we don't need a savior, we need political movement. millions of people, there are people voting for donald trump, thinking he is going to do it all. wrong. the only way real change ever takes place is when millions of people stand up and fight back. that's what this campaign is about.

>> sanders set to speak in bowling green, kentucky ahead of the state's primary tuesday. donald trump's latest controversy surrounding an audio recording of an interview with alleged spokesperson for donald trump. the reporter now suggests trump's campaign leaked that 1991 tape first reported by "the washington post," which claims it was trump's voice on the tape. jacob rascon is following it outside trump tower. it is getting more bizarre as it develops. what are you now hearing? >> reporter: so we asked the campaign specifically about this because the reporter talked to nbc news yesterday, we knew she had said this, that she had her own recording and didn't know of any other, except possibly donald trump, she knew she hadn't shared her recording. she suggested, speculated, it must have been trump. we asked the campaign about this. they didn't get back to us about this. the only thing the campaign said

so far is that it was a bad impression of trump. trump on the "today" show yesterday denied all of it. here is what sue carswell, reporter for "people" magazine back then, told nbc news. >> there's no doubt in my mind he apologized to me, he made it clear he was the man on the tape. there's just no doubt in my mind. if i didn't give the tape to "the washington post," who did? >> you're saying -- >> i think trump is behind letting this out. >> why? >> why does donald trump do anything he does. >> reporter: very simply what happened in the phone call is that a man who called himself john miller, called this "people" magazine reporter and was boasting about donald trump's personal life, trying to clear up what was being talked about in the media about his divorce. later, the reporter says john

miller was in fact donald trump, that trump admitted it, acknowledged it, said he was sorry about it. and she's confounded, confused why he would today lie about it. trump denied it, his campaign said this is not what you think it is. his surrogates, ben carson, katrina pierson have been on the circuit saying let's move on, there are more important things to talk about basically. >> jacob rascon, live from new york city with that bizarre twist to the story. to the democrats, the candidates are focusing on kentucky ahead of tuesday's primary. chris jansing is in louisville. good to have you with us. sanders is not only pressing on but taking aim at clinton and trump as well. what does that say about that strategy? >> reporter: yeah. look, he's moving forward on one strategy which is to win as many delegates and as many states as he would he be can. you know, there's been a lot of

criticism of him from hillary clinton supporters, saying he's diverting attention. he says there are eight states and district of columbia to go. he thinks kentucky is a place he can win with oregon. in a sign that hillary clinton is paying attention, she's coming back here, something you would not have expected. she has now got rallies scheduled tomorrow and monday. in addition to this, she has been here this past week. bill clinton has been here. all of it making a two pronged attack. one against bernie sanders, not ignoring the fact that however high and steep the uphill climb is for him, he has not been statistically eliminated, and there's one thing as bernie sanders pointed out last night that they agree upon. here's a little of what he said in the cold of north forks, dakota before 2200 people outdoors last night. >> we may have differences of opinion, but we do share one

very, very important and common goal, and that is that donald trump must be defeated. and i think the evidence is clear. this is not my opinion. this is pretty objective evidence, that if you look at every poll, virtually every poll done in the last six weeks, whether national polls or state polls and battleground states, we do better and often much better against trump than does secretary clinton. >> the problem is as we move forward, one of the things we are talking about, what does he want if nominee. he pushed hillary clinton to the left on progressive issues he talks about every day at the rallies. there are a couple they could find common ground. he wants $15 minimum wage.

that could end up in the democratic platform. he is pushing for health care for all of it. she talked about expanding medicare. there are some areas they're definitely apart. they're apart on wall street reform, they're apart on fracking, some things about how to deal with climate change, so not everything is going to get into the platform that bernie sanders wants but he does believe if he doesn't get the nomination, ayman, the more votes and power he has going into the convention and on platform committees. >> that will make for an interesting finish. chris jansing, it is still windy there. for more on today's top stories, bring in congressional reporter at politico and joy reid. joy, let me start with you and talk about bernie sanders's game at this point if you will. is he playing spoiler for

hillary clinton? >> i think it depends who you ask. they're becoming concerned, his message while he says donald trump must be defeated is a fundamentally anti-clinton message and that he is hurting her ability to make a pivot to general election and focus on donald trump. that's not stopping the campaign from doing the pivot anyway, releasing ads that focus on trump. yes, at a certain point, democrats but attention on bernie sanders, if he doesn't drop out, to make his rhetoric less anti-clinton, more anti-trump. >> do you think there's palpable frustration among democrats in the circles you're talking to or are they not worried as of yet. >> i think we are seeing worry. talking with people that say he needs to get out, the democrats have to start unifying the party, and bernie sanders is going to be a key part of that.

he needs to send a message to supporters it is okay. some are saying it may too late if he waits to convention. >> you are covering his trip to washington and sit down with paul ryan which got a lot of attention in the media, not a lot of details have come out of it. what was said in the meeting, what have you learned? >> he had two big meetings on capitol hill thursday. high stakes meeting with paul ryan. the message is we are trying. the unity factor is not there, they're working toward it cht speaker ryan didn't endorse donald trump after the meeting. we know we are seeing trends move that direction. paul ryan talked about it was very good, they have differences in policy, but they're working together, not on the same page

on everything chlts. donald trump told senators he gets concerns about his tone, his rhetoric, and the senate republicans saw that as a first step toward party unity. >> and the latest match up poll, donald trump is within two points of clinton after trailing her by much more for the past several months. how do you account for some of these changes. is bernie sanders contributing to the apparent erosion? bernie sanders is saying he does better, fairs better against donald trump than hillary clinton. is that a selling point for voters? >> i think at this point those polls don't mean a lot. you have in bernie sanders a candidate that's gotten positive press. if you look at the study that showed that bernie sanders has gotten the most positive press of the democratic candidates, john kasich on the republican side did, he is sort of a candidate that's filling in whatever you don't like about

hillary clinton you like about him. i don't think it matters. you haven't seen bernie sanders in a contested campaign against trump where negative information is thrown at him. i think a lot of what you see in polls is people camping to the different republican or democratic camps. you see 45, 46% go to each of the two parties, and they fight these elections in the margins. it is not surprising whoever the republican is, even if donald trump, will get a vast majority of republican -- >> you don't think the poll should be a concern for hillary clinton by donald trump? >> if you have these in october, september, that's different, but at this point, no. >> trump seems to be trying to unite the gop behind him. the question is does he need to unite the gop behind him or is the party more useful to him as a foil that he can constantly -- >> as you head to the general, you need that party unity. for the past week when we saw

that trump became the presumptive nominee, we saw hillary clinton attack over and over on the key party leader, and speaker ryan and other officials refused to endorse him. you see that trump recognizes you need that. he is making much more outreach to capitol hill. some of the lowest members of the republican house members -- he gets that that's a general election necessity. he is making steps forward to take that approach. he is expected to meet with the broader house republican conference, all 247 members soon, and we will see more stuff like that as we go forward. >> joy, trump's now 102 delegates short of the 1237 he needs to clinch the nomination. where does that leave the never trump movement? is that over or do they gain momentum in the general election? >> i think, ayman, the reality is the never trump movement was never a movement. some states like wisconsin had

support of state level top radio hosts and was robust, but the problem the never trump movement had, didn't have a trump or what. never answered something that trump is offering to voters that like him with something else. there's no alternative. they never consolidated around a single candidate or set of core principles. i think little by little, the vast majority of republicans and establishment and elected leadership will get on the trump train. >> joy reid, congratulations on the new show, much watched on the weekend. and sum kin, thank you for joining us as well. >> thank you. questions about the iran nuclear deal. hearing from one person that helped pull the deal together. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...

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republicans in congress demand that president obama's national security adviser ben roads testify before the house oversite committee tuesday to answer questions about td iran nuclear deal. the demand comes as a "the new york times" profile of rhodes raises new questions about how the iran deal was sold to lawmakers and the american public. let's bring in ambassador mark ginsberg, former u.s. ambassador to morocco under president clinton, and white house adviser under president carter. good to have you with us. you have been a vocal opponent of the iran deal. in the time story, rhodes speaks about how they closely orchestrated release of information on the deal. at one point, we had test drives to know who was going to be ari to carry our message effectively. i am curious for your thoughts about that practice in particular. being in d.c. myself, it is commonplace to get the story out through friendly groups with a

positive spin. what's unusual in this case from your perspective? >> hi, ayman. i want to correct the record. i wrote a piece where i came out in favor of the agreement at the end, reluctantly. want to say that. with respect to what ben rhodes has done, it is not so much that we all know in washington there's p spin, it is in this article, i wrote a huffington post piece yesterday about the "the new york times" portrayal of ben rhodes, that he actually intentionally deceived the people who he was trying to in effect carry the administration's message. the most important point was this so-called secret channel that was started in which mr. rhodes and everybody at the white house tried to convince everyone was after the president rue and ee. they would not have wanted you to know that. more importantly, it is the fact that mr. rhodes decided with a

lot of broeg december i don't see and huts pa to rat out credible reporters as pawns of the white house, alleging they were used by him to in effect carry the con seat to the congress. >> reacting to the comments rhodes made in the times story, what in that profile, in the ben rhodes profile, were you up setd with the obama administration that he came out with lines about how they sold that story to the american public. >> commended mr. rhodes for public service. why? because what he essentially said

is that the administration's policy, whether it be libya or syria or iraq, whether it be towards israel was meant to disengage from sunni arab states and turn the keys to the middle east over to iran and disengage and pivot out of the region. what's offensive, here's an nsc adviser became secretary of state in the middle east for the president. no middle east experience, zero foreign policy experience, a speech writer when he entered the white house. in effect more or less deciding what national interests are of the united states. he determined that was to disengage from israel and the sunni arab states and hand the keys over to the ayatollahs and ski dad he will out of the region. that's an unadulterated violation of american national security interests. >> rhodes refers to a group known as the blob, essentially foreign policy establishment

which includes secretary of state clinton. why do you think the administration has chosen to lock out this group of professionals with so much experience and knowledge that could be valuable? >> in some respects, i consider myself in effect a badge of honor to be locked out of this white house, and i am a democrat. and the main reason is because the administration, particularly the president and the political operatives that constitute the nsc, ayman, didn't want anyone around them that would disagree with the political objectives, protecting the president's legacy that was determined before the president encountered many of the issues. the legacy being he won a nobel prize, wanted to disengage from iran and afghanistan, wanted to ski dad he will and pivot to asia. anybody that criticized that, whether the secretary of state mrs. clinton, whether it be leon panetta, mr. petraeus, cia director, they were more or less pushed aside as well as middle

east advisers, i dare say as i wrap this up, there was no one in the white house with any nsc middle east experience permitted to be in the white house other than one person came in belatedly to deal with syria. >> thank you very much, ambassador ginsberg, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you, ayman. good to be here. a message for trump. what the muslim mayor of london has to say about his views of islam. stay with us.

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>> reporter: well, ayman, he has been talking about donald trump since he was sworn in a week ago today, made strong statements and did to me as well, particularly on that call for a temporary ban of muslims coming to the u.s. the mayor is the son of a bus driver and seamstress, immigrants from pakistan. he was elected in a landslide, despite a campaign trying to paint him as close to extremists. says his opponent took a page out of donald trump's play book, but said he was open to meet him. >> the point i make with respect to donald trump and those advising him is i think your views are islam, i think it is the case there are a small number of criminals, terrorists that do bad things, really horrible things, and seek to justify their acts of terror in

the name of islam, but the vast, vast, vast majority of muslims not just in london but around the world are peaceful, law abiding, love being muslim, many of us love being western. many of us love america and americans. >> the mayor not only called those views ignorant, he said they were risky, they risk alienating mainstream muslims. mayor kahn is a member of the liberal party, supported same-sex marriage, despite threats from islamic extremists in the country, and self described feminist that backs hillary clinton. ayman? >> kelly cobiella live from london. thank you. former elected democratic official talks about how donald trump may hold appeal for african-american voters. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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welcome back. i'm ayman mohyeldin at world headquarters in new york. it is a rare, quiet day on the campaign trail. the only event on the calendar, a bernie sanders rally tonight in bowling green, kentucky. his opponent, hillary clinton will follow him to the bluegrass state tomorrow, making stops in louisville and covington. on the other side, presumptive nominee republican nominee donald trump has no scheduled events this weekend as he celebrates his daughter tiffany's graduation from university of pennsylvania. next up for all three candidates, tuesday's democratic primaries in oregon and kentucky and republican caucuses in kentucky. one of the presidential candidates not competing in the primaries is senator ted cruz who will be speaking in over two hours at the texas gop convention. vaughn hilliard is in dallas, following the ted cruz speech there. vaughn, what kind of reception

do you think cruz will receive? do you expect him to talk about issues dominating the news, including transgender bathroom director that came down from the white house? >> reporter: hey, ayman, sure. this campaign isn't over. ted cruz is out of the race, but ultimately this is a fight, and ted cruz, if you talk to staffers and talk to volunteers, a lot of ted cruz supporters are not ready to back donald trump and have no intention of voting for him. they say they'll write in somebody else on the ballot, may well be ted cruz. what you see is jeff sessions will be a surrogate for donald trump, speaking after ted cruz, but this is ted cruz talking to his home crowd. when ted cruz talks about the conservative movement, the texas gop likes to say they're working to unify the party. but what does that mean? does that mean unifying around donald trump or unifying around conservative principles? i talked to two people, one said she was formerly a ted cruz supporter but is going to back donald trump because hillary clinton, cannot fathom having

her as president. i talked to another woman, a long time volunteer here, she said she will absolutely under no circumstances be supporting donald trump. that's why she's here today. you see at the table behind me, ted cruz has a presence. the texas state director is here, there's still an effort. you refer to transgender bathrooms, ted cruz released a statement suggesting no state should follow through with a directive handed down by the president. why? it is not in line with conservative principles, ted cruz argues. these are issues in which ted cruz and his supporters, remember, ted cruz got over 7 million votes in the last primary season. ted cruz, if he wants to win the general election, you need to rely on, if you don't have ted cruz, hard to fathom him backing him, it will be hard for trump to pull it off. >> appreciate that. on the democratic side, hillary clinton and bernie sanders are campaigning in kentucky this weekend ahead of tuesday's primary where 60 delegates are up for grabs.

joining me from sacramento, kevin shave its, and from the federation for children. thank you for joining us. you predicted we would have a democratic nominee by now. is it a problem -- a nominee they can unify behind, is it because bernie sanders hasn't dropped out or the race is close enough it is undecided? >> ayman, the reason we can't predict these, it is an unpredictable year. thought we would have a democratic nominee. thought the republican contest would be going. exactly the opposite happened, that's telling in terms of what's going on this year. the reality is for donald trump and bernie sanders, they share one common thing. people believe what they say. they're speaking plainly to people in a way traditional politicians have not.

frankly, the by-product of that is hillary clinton because people feel she's calculated and don't know if they can believe what she's saying by and large. why is bernie sanders still in the race? because people are still coming. sacramento here last week, they had 14,000 people. some say as many as 20,000 at a sanders rally. hard for him to pull out when he knows he has that force of people behind him. and i think this idea of having plain speaking language to people in a way that resonates with them, that's why trump and sanders are casting hope to the voters. >> looking ahead, do you think sanders has a chance in california? >> i think that clinton probably should win it. she probably will win the nomination, but what she would like to do, many people are afraid of donald trump being president, but it is no laughing matter any more, i think she needso reckless. think about it. everyone laughed about when donald trump talked about building a wall, but that resonated and created a conversation. they laughed when bernie sanders

talked about going after wall street or free college, but it resonated. i think this idea of sort of traditional democratic speak in terms of party platform, hey, we are going to try this, bounce it off, that's not going to work. she needs to come with something bold like we're going to fix bad schools, we're going to find a way to get kids in quality schools and exercise educational choice. those things would work. >> couple weeks ago everybody talked about how important new york is, people talk about how important california is for the democratic side. both candidates are campaigning in kentucky ahead of tuesday's primary. hillary and bill clinton, three events each. sanders as well. how crucial is this primary tuesday for the democratic race? >> i think they all are crucial in terms of you notice sanders keeps having rallies. he wants to show the people are with him. there's been a big gulf on both sides of the aisle, republican

and democrat in terms of where the traditional establishment leadership is and where the people are. i think clinton's challenge is to bring that together and she can't do it frankly without sanders. i think eventually they'll come together, but i think the race in november comes down to whether or not she can overcome that threshold of people feeling like she can connect, they can connect with her like they do sanders or trump. >> this is one that will have people scratching their heads. you say donald trump holds some appeal for african americans. what's the appeal and, you know, what do you attribute that to? >> look, i have problems with donald trump, i think most african americans do, but as i talked to people, plain speak connects with everyone. i think if you look at some of the states where it is competitive between clinton and trump, florida, ohio, pennsylvania, those are states where if donald trump got 3%, 5%

more african-american vote, could make a difference. florida, rick scott was reelected, he doubled the black vote because he supported the tax credit program in florida where it was largely for african-american folks. i think if donald trump engages some outreach, got a few percentage points more, it can make a difference in swing states. >> let me get your opinion on something different, switching gears, about the guidelines released by the obama administration friday, essentially telling schools they must have accommodations for students that are transgender, some states are pushing back, including texas. listen to what the lieutenant governor said, i'll get your reaction on the back end. >> says he is going to withhold funding if schools do not follow the policy. well, in texas he can keep his 30 pieces of silver. we will not yield to blackmail from the president of the united states. majority of that is for free breakfast and free lunch, so

barack obama, if schools don't knuckle down to force girls showering with boys, force 8-year-old girls to endure 8-year-old boys coming into their bathroom, he is taking money from the poorest of the poor. >> i know you worked on education many years. what's your take on this? >> look, i understand and support civil rights for transgender citizens and students, but you know, i'm disappointed to see department of education on this. you know what they should do, right now, ayman, we have half the kids of color dropping out. two-thirds of high school graduates are not career college ready and we're falling behind the rest of the world. i would like to see the department of education talk about the fact that when we graduate a kid, they're ready for college or a career. i would like to have them talk about the fact we will shut down drop out factors, where we know there's 89% kids will drop out. i would like a s.w.a.t. team approach to deal with those

problems in schools that lead to us being proficient and competitive around the world. i think this issue as important as it is for the department of education is not the issue they should be dealing with. the proficiency and education standing of america should be front and center. we need to build a learning culture and pull back from the idea of politics of fear and engage in politics of hope in terms of education. >> all right. we have to leave it at that. thank you for your insights. >> thank you. national security officials reveal plans to alleviate gridlock at airports. can they be effective while keeping travelers safe? we have that discussion next. the orders were rushing in. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan. we needed short-term funding fast. building 18 homes in 4 ½ months? that was a leap. but i knew i could rely on american express to help me buy those building materials. amex helped me buy the inventory i needed. our amex helped us fill the orders.

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compromise the security of aviation or the american people. >> secretary jay johnson and high level national security officialers looking at what they call a national crisis. long lines at airports only growing longer amid high security, what's likely to be a busy summer travel season. joining me to discuss, national security analyst. good to have you with us. secretary johnson announcing a ten step plan for airport security. i was curious to know what you know about the plan, if you can tell us about it. you think it will be an effective strategy to addressing the issue. >> yeah, what secretary johnson is asking, he is trying to increase his man power throughout the agency, in particular in areas that have high traffic points, such as chicago and a few other airports. he is removing resources, some resources that are redundant in

places they're not needed. >> how do you think the plan to alleviate current issues at the airport, how will the plan effectively work? >> i think it will help alleviate some congestion. however, it won't meet the ultimate goal which is to displace angst that exists about the tsa. >> according to some officials, lines are longer because of terror attacks, particularly in brussels and paris that heightened alert levels in the united states. can this ten point plan lessen wait times but at the same time dealing with greater national security threats emerging. >> it can. the only problem. you take from one place, you leave the door open for things to happen other places, i think the secretary is probably right removing some assets that aren't needed in other places and

increasing them in others where they are needed. terrorists traditionally don't hit smaller airports, may not be a need for ten dogs, ten canine dogs at a smaller airport when you can deal with say five and increase the number of dogs at a larger airport. >> and i wanted to ask about this aspect, when you have longer lines, this is before you get to the security check point, does it make airports more vulnerable from a security point? i saw it in brussels when i covered the attacks. attacks took place in departure halls, in an area where passengers are still checking in, there's no security. you pull up to the airport, go to the car, go to the terminal with the bags before you get to any of the metal detectors or pat down check points. that's where they detonate. i am curious to know, do we add

vulnerability when you add long lines and crowds well before the security check points? >> thank you for addressing that. that's been a significant issue for me in terms of talking about the issue. one, it is one that i think doesn't get a lot of attention, crowds as a potential target for terrorism. we have a lot of emphasis in the security industry about mass gathering locations. you see this throughout a number of areas that have been hit, particularly in brussels as you mentioned before. what i would like to see is tsa move to what we see at amusement parks. i don't know if you have been to the larger amusement parks, they have systems like video analytics that use surveillance cameras and software embedded in them to analyze where largest crowds are and move those crowds to other places.

i would like to see our airports get to a place where crowds are less of an issue and more readily displaced than they currently are. >> all right. i appreciate that. we have to leave it at that. thank you very much. i have been to my fair share of amusement parks, maybe not as an adult, but appreciate it. understanding donald trump's political rhetoric. has he flip flopped on the muslim ban promise and could he be in danger of alienating his base?

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we have a problem with radical islamic terrorism. i'm always flexible on issues. i am totally flexible on very, very many issues and you have to be that. but i'm not softening my stance. we have a major problem, we have to look at the problem and solve

the problem. >> that's donald trump in a new interview hitting back on accusations that he flipped flopped to ban muslim immigrants, telling reporters, quote, anything i say right now is a suggestion. sara, let's talk a little bit about this description, if you will. do you think that donald trump is truly softening or flip-flopping his position on this particular issue? and if so, do you think that's going to alienate his base? >> softening imply he's has any core beliefs or principles to begin with. i don't think that's the case. i think we've seen that on a number of issues, whether it's minimum wage, the right to life or how to deal with isis or terrorism in general. i think that donald trump will have a problem having anyone support him who's looking for a president to tell them where they will lead the country and

what direction they want to head in beyond just this forced cult of personality on twitter that he really enjoys. >> if you were advising him, would you encourage trump to start appealing to more moderate republicans with his tone? after all, he needs to make a pivot to the general election. or can lee win with some of these extreme positions that he's taken on in the primary season? >> i think we have two democrats in this general election. we have hillary clinton and donald trump. i wouldn't presume to advise donald trump given what he's done so far, but i do think that there's a lot of republicans out there who are looking for a conservative in this race and are finding donald trump lacking in that area entirely. >> i want to ask you about donald trump and his refusal until now to release his tax returns. he told one interviewer his tax rate was, quote, none of your business. how important is it for him to release his taxes and, you know, did you, you know, your

candidate, carly fiorina release hers? do you think this is something voters are really concerned about, the tax returns of individuals? >> well, i think the tax returns matter. i think that he has put out a financial disclosure claiming his worth $10 billion. a lot of people have said that's not accurate. so the question actually is not the tax returns because they're tax returns. it's whether he's been playing taxes on $10 billion and whether he tells the federal government he's worth a lot less and tells the public he's worth a lot more. it goes to his honesty and credibility, something that's been questioned many times in this race. >> listen to this. >> i would like to let you know that i am wholeheartedly with full throat and full hea heart endorsing your great governor mary fallon. >> she was apparently joking but is there something to the

suggestion? will a female vice presidential help trump, especially if he ends up running against hillary clinton? >> i think donald trump is going to need a lot of help running against hillary clinton. if you're running as two different democrats, i think the democrats have chosen their nominee. i think carly was being playful. she's actually pretty funny. so again, i wouldn't presume to suggest who donald trump should pick as his running mate, but i think that conservatives are going to want to see that he has any sort of core principles when it comes to conservative values, which he hasn't shown so far. so i think he should look towards that as a possibility, but i think that donald trump will do what donald trump has always done and maybe pick someone with the best twitter feed. >> let me ask you as a former rnc official yourself, how do you imagine the convention playing out? could we see a last-ditch bid to derail trump or is it a forgone conclusion he's going to be the

nominee? >> i think at this points it's fair to call him the likely nominee. the convention i'm sure will be entertaining. i know that the rnc and convention planners are working very hard to make it a smoothly run, well run, tight security convention, but anything can happen in that rules committee and when you look at the cruz team and what they're doing to make sure that the floplatform committee maintains its conservative bent, it could be an interesting convention. >> thank you for joining us, i appreciate your insights. that does it for me this hour. thanks for watching. frances rivera is up next with donald trump's taxes, the conventional wisdom that he might want to keep private in our next hour. stay with us.

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