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jackson, and casey hunt. the "road warriors." and welcome to the third edition of the "road warriors." they say the third time is a charm. i want to introduce my friends here who are here kristen welker, halle jackson and, of course, the lovely ari melburn. huge week on the campaign trail. a lot of twists and turns and a lot of drama. >> i feel like the last time we were here and another lifetime happened in the next seven days. >> it doesn't feel like the weeks are weeks they feel like months. >> they kind of do. >> but we want to get to ari because he has breaking news for us. >> you covered donald trump sometimes it feels like we all cover donald trump, i don't know if you ever feel that way. >> to some extent. >> but katy and i worked on a story covering the fact that all

the money he says he spent on his campaign has been organized as loans. $36 million. he has until august he could still convert those and basically make those donations or use the new money he's raising to pay himself back and his campaign aides basically had been pretty up in the air on that. moments ago i got an e-mail from donald trump under his own name saying, quote, i have absolutely no intension of paying myself back for the nearly $50 million i loaned to the campaign. the money is an contribution in order to make america great again. that is the most explicit he's been in intending to say it's donations. as you know it's more money than we knew he'd spent because it had only been 36. and we'll see and i'll be tracking with the fec whether he does go beyond the statement and take the action by the august deadline to make these donations. >> this is the thing that voters love about him the idea that he's self-financed and he gets to underscore that he's outside politics and doing things

differently. but as he moves to the general we'll see if it changes. >> you have a donation money on your website you are taking in money. you see this all the time, people when you go out to the events and you talk to people why they like donald trump they say, well, he's funding his own campaign because he says it at every rally. >> and they believe him when he says this and the reality is he is just loaning this money. and my question to you, ari and the campaign, why is it still a loan and get it done and settle it. that's not the donald trump way as we've seen. we have a little bit of sound of him talking about this. let's take a listen. >> i would have had hundreds of millions of dollars if i wanted to have a superpac and if i wanted to have other people fund my campaign. i don't want other people to fund my campaign. >> look, i'm the only one that's self-funding, democrat republican. everyone else is taking money from them. i call them the bloodsuckers. these guys are all taking their

money from special interests. let me tell you, the politicians will never do the job. because they're bought and paid for, folks. we have a movement, and do you know what i'm getting for this movement? i get nothing. i'm self-funding my campaign, okay? >> so he's taking some money on his donation website, but bernie sanders is certainly still taking smaller donations and disavowing the larger ones, right? >> his campaign has been so much -- in many ways i remember being in new hampshire when we were up there for the primary and listening to the radio ads and thinking bernie sanders and donald trump sound exactly the same on fund raising, you know, i think that's really resonated especially with the young people who are out there and they feel they can chip in a little bit and actually buy a piece of something that they otherwise feel shut out of. on the trump thing i was looking at this. i'm fascinated by this rally by governor chris christie that they are selling tickets to 25 bucks if you are a person, it's a fund-raiser. i've never really see anything

like it recently. >> it certainly is questionable. the campaign came out and made sure in another statement and saying it wasn't for donald trump's campaign but rather to raise money for his friend chris christie. >> but here's what donald trump can't control, the impact of superpacs you remember when he disavowed the superpacs that popped up months ago to support him and there's more coming up. and if they want to raise money for donald trump, they can do that. >> on superpacs i think we're learning so much on this election cycle about the lack of power of superpacs. >> compared to four years ago. >> i think people have come away with the idea that traditional money in politics is not necessarily as effective as it used to be and that could be a problem for the clintons. >> i think what we're all saying that we're seeing donald trump have to get a little bit closer to the establishment and, of course, yesterday that was on stark display when he met with paul ryan. and i thought one of the headlines and i'm curious to know what you think, katy, someone who covers him every single day, there was this joint

statement. we didn't anticipate there was going to be an endorsement and he didn't get one but they took a tiny i would call it step forward towards unity. >> they have a wide gulf between them and you know this talking to fall ryan's office. but paul ryan doesn't agree with him on the muslim ban, on immigration, on entitlements, on abortion. there's so many issues where the two men don't have any common ground. >> how do they find it? >> conservative principles. ryan wants to know that donald trump is where the rest of the conservative party is, where the rest of the republican party is, on the broad conservative issues. we know in the conversation sources tell us yesterday they talked about entitlement reforms and speaker ryan brought out the charts he loves. they talked about pro-life issues something that was important for ryan to discuss. overall when you speak with people that are close with ryan they want to make the point that he's in a difficult position and

he wants to give cover to the downballot races and able to be in a strong position but at the same time though that there is party unity. he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> that's true with the republican party. the overarching question and i was at the clinton headquarters talking to them about this "the overarching question is whether donald trump in the end will turn out to be this toxic piece that republicans just can't get away from or if he's actually going to change the map and we are going to end up with a really close election. i think there will be a divide among republicans and i think you are seeing this i just don't think the news cycles are going to permit them enough time to grapple to be apart from donald trump to answer the question. >> what happens behind closed doors the private conversations he has and what happens when he goes out on to the stump and a lot of times people who have had these conversations with him say, look, the way he is privately is very different than the donald trump that you see. >> i think the question for the

republican party here is donald trump a bulldozer or a bully. and if he's a bulldozer who knocks people down and keeps on going and can bulldoze his way into the white house, then everyone's going to fee a lot hammi i happier. if he's a bully, right, who makes a lot of noise and picks on the weak and beats people up rhetorically and otherwise but doesn't actually have the goods to deliver, then that's a different equation and fall ryan is making that decision right now and he's doing it in a quay unlike most of the people in the republican party he's using leverage to slow the bulldozer down and try to figure out if they can make a deal. >> on that subject of who exactly is donald trump i know we can talk about this for a while. but let's talk about the us in out today that "the washington post" reported. a 1991 audiotape where everybody named john miller -- >> somebody named john miller. >> -- is speaking to a "people" magazine reporter. tell me who you think this sounds like. >> whoever could that be.

>> yeah, this john miller says that he is the communication, a pr guy, for donald trump and he's speaking to the "people" magazine reporter about the ongoing drama about his break-up with ivana his first wife and this new relationship he has with marla maples and whether that might be on the rocks because there are affairs. john miller sounds a little bit like someone we might know. >> he was asked about this on the "today" show and he said it's not me. i haven't heard of it. i asked the rnc about this and he says he takes donald trump at his word.

>> he's previously admitted to it. it is donald trump. >> marla maples burst into tears when she heard him say this. >> it is him. >> under oath in the '90s admitted to sometimes using fake names to pose as a pr person for himself. >> yeah. >> somebody named john barron, also john miller, so he's admitted this. but this morning on the "today" show as you said he flatly denied it. take a listen. >> are you aware of the tape? is it you? >> no. i don't think -- i don't know anything about it. you're telling me about it for the first time and it doesn't sound like my voice at all. i have many people who are trying to imitate my voice and there are many scams. i think we have more important things to discuss. >> here's the thing, i think he gets away with this stuff because people frankly don't necessarily care what he did in his past. >> people meaning the voters.

>> the voters that like him. >> people are so frustrated -- >> robots? >> people and humans who vote. >> as opposed to the media, right? >> who don't invite you back. >> i'm not counting on an invite back. >> where's your zwsweater? the candidates are frustrated with washington and they don't care if somebody -- unusual let's put it nicely -- past because they want someone who will be completely different and frankly they are so frustrated with this idea of a rigged system that they don't trust the media to expose him on it because they kind of feel like we're part of the problem. >> donald trump knows that. he gets that. >> exactly. >> it going to change in the general election? the last six months it was playing whack a mole for donald trump and there was always a new person to go out and the media was fascinated by the fact that he's the republican front runner and nobody expected that and now

he's in a six-month slog against hillary clinton and every time he brings up something like this it will be the topic of the day. i wonder if it will be a different dynamic. >> the stronger he gets. >> but i think for his supporters that works, the question is does it work with swing voters and independents and suburban women who he's got to try to win over if he's going to win the white house. >> i love the story. i love the idea of him on the phone pretending to be someone else but it fundamentally tell voters anything they didn't already know about donald trump. he plays roles. he is goofy. he has a persona. some people love it. some people don't like it. but there's nothing new here and real scandals that can affect a general election are things that expose and we've got two nominees that are overexposed. >> he's admitted when he's in a small having a private conversation he's a different kind of person than he is at a big rally being a showman or the performer that he can be. so, you're right, people know

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yeah. it was a suggestion. look, anything i say right now, i'm the president, everything's a suggestion. no matter what you say it's a suggestion. >> hi. welcome back to "road warriors." joined by the gang and plus a

new addition steve kornacki. donald trump saying it's just suggestions. these aren't proposals necessarily they are suggestions for what he might do as president. how are we supposed to take that? should we be surprised? >> i'm not surprised. we anticipated this would happen when he got close to the general election. what the clinton campaign is trying to nail him down on his original statements. and saying hey, wait a minute, this is what he said about muslims. this is what he says about taxes. the question is, will that work and will he be able to shift to the center? >> when i've been talking in private conversations to a number of people close to donald trump they've said over and over again this is just -- the primary was him setting the stage. it was him in his opening arguments and the beginning of a negotiation if you will and they always expected him to move away from the harder social issues and turn towards some of the more economic issues that are more in his wheelhouse, stuff like trade. so, i'm certainly not surprised by it. i think that maybe some of the

voters in the more conservative states might be a little bit surprised by it. but then again, i think they like his personality more than they like anything else and so, i mean -- "the new york times" interviewed somebody who said he could shoot my dog and i would still vote for him. the only thing he could do was shoot her daughter and then she would stop voting for him. >> i covered mitt romney in 2012, right? who got tagged very early on as a flip-flopper and one of his campaign aides said we'll etch a sketch this and it was a huge gaff. for donald trump the thing about that it played into a pre-existing perception that voters were already ready to believe. i believe the perception is that he's a strong character that they already understand, and i don't think that he's going to face that same kind of scrutiny on that same question. >> interesting we're talking about romney because he's back in the news talking about the bombshell that's hiding in donald trump's taxes somewhere. >> didn't he already do it in

texas for the houston debates? >> they've been talking about this for a while. you've heard whispers of it for the last several months why isn't donald trump releasing his taxes and donald trump saying he won't do it until after the audit is complete whether it's tomorrow or next month or maybe in december he'll release the returns in december. the irs has said he can release the taxes at any time and is stopping him. you've got to on wonder i spoke with a representative on capitol mike kelly who supports donald trump and i said should he release his taxes and kelly was talking about the importance of transparency and he said that's a decision for donald trump to make. >> i asked shawn spicer the same question and take a look. >> well, he said it over and over again as soon as the audit's done he'll release them. >> he's talking about transparency. doesn't he need to release his tax returns 1 >> at the end of the day it's up to the individual candidate whether to release them or not.

hillary clinton released her because of white water. hold on. hold on. >> we're waiting on his tax returns. >> not for -- this was not something they did voluntarily in the name of transparency. they were being hounded because of white water deals and to prove they weren't as guilty as some of the charges were against them. let's be honest about why they did what they did. but at the end of the day every candidate hillary clinton and donald trump has filed a disclosure form with the federal election commission. >> is this a political problem with him? >> with donald trump the standard rule is, yeah. the standard rule is you can't withhold this stuff, if you do it looks like you're hiding it. we saw with mitt romney how much damage was done by the whole song and dance, but with donald trump i think we see over and over again the normal rules, normal political gravity doesn't necessarily -- you were talking a minute ago about etch a sketch, it was so devastated. trump's been walking around talking about he's a negotiator and telling everything that he does is an opening bid. he's basically been saying for

the whole campaign it's subject to change. what i say today may not be what i say tomorrow so in a way he's bought himself wiggle room that no other candidate's had before. >> my question, too, what is it in there that they are concerned about? with romney it was the issue that he was perceived as an out-of-touch billionaire and using vehicles that he didn't have access to. and trump sold himself as the blue collar millionaire. is it foreign affiliations? there's all kind of questions that mitt romney and others have raised. but from a political perspective it could be a problem for the republican party because as long as it's out there every down ballot republican will be asked about it. >> it's something you are seeing people a little bit on defense about when you look at trump at the top of the ticket and you look at the meetings held this week, the democrats coming out and the white house weighing in and tieing the senators in the meetings to donald trump and especially vulnerable senators like rob portman in ohio and we

are hearing from senior gop aides how you plan to fight against that. the idea is to take a cue from paul ryan, if you will. ryan has said, hey, we're a big tent party. we can have different stances on policies like the muslim ban and like the issues where they are far apart, trade you mentioned, but we can still be under the same big tent. will that be an effective way, for example, to reach voters in pennsylvania if you're pat toomey or ohio if you are rob portman, we'll see. >> some of them said, look, we're not going to be able to embrace you as we run for re-election and donald trump said, hey, i understand that. >> when the whole thing was going on in the primaries and ted cruz was going through that, oh, i think he's a horrible personal and he's done terrible things, well, yes, i'd still support him. hey, do you know what, i don't need him. i don't think it bothers trump. >> that's right. >> if the down ballot candidates think that trump is a real albatross, they got to really separate themselves and that means repudiate.

i don't see them doing it, so in a way they'll be tied to him no matter what they say. >> is he vulnerable? >> think of kelly ayotte in new hampshire. she's a vulnerable republican senator and swing state and if trump says something she could be in trouble. donald trump won the primary there 2-1. if you repudiate him for the general election audience you could lose the base. >> and it cuts differently for different -- one of the things we'll see is a reorganizing of the senate map the way we'll see different states in play. the cat clculation may be diffet for pat toomey in pennsylvania, if working class white voters come out for donald trump. it could be easier to embrace him. but you think about john mccain in arizona with the increasing latino vote, it was thought his seat was safe and he'll have a problem distancing himself from donald trump because the base of

the gop is already angry with him. they've been trying to primary him out of office forever and, you know, it hasn't worked but he can't alienate them and figure out how to embrace it. >> on a personal level that has got to drive mccain crazy and the guy ridicules him for being a warrior and he has to sit there and say, yes, i support. >> he's getting zero backup from his best friend in the senate lindsey graham the two of them on polar opposites. >> he can say what john mccain can't say. >> how about the fact that donald trump and lindsay graham had a phone call? my brain almost exploded. >> it shows every single day there's a new unexpected twist and turn. >> and lindsey graham said donald trump's questions were good questions. >> back to your point on the taxes ba us this will be a big issue for the candidates if he doesn't release the taxes they'll all have to answer the questions. the clinton campaign is doing what you just said, they're just raises the question. they don't have the answer. and the question and the open question is sort of enough to

raise a cloud. >> although i think hillary clinton's left some -- if you're a republican and you want to have -- you have to defend trump and you want an opening to do it politically, you say, i don't know about that, but hillary clinton hasn't released her wall street speeches yet. she's giving something they can turn the tables on. >> they'll say that every day. that's for sure. speaking of hillary clinton she's still fighting in her own primary battle and we'll talk about that next and her contender, bernie sanders. stay with us.

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secretary clinton, donald trump says bernie sanders is making you look bad. secretary clinton, donald trump says bernie sanders is making you look bad. do you have a reaction? >> hello, mrs. clinton, how are you? >> that was me trying to get an answer out of hillary clinton in a very noisy campaign event earlier this week. and, of course, bernie sanders had a big win earlier this week.

and he's gotten some new momentum, casey, and a lot of people are wondering why she can't lock up this nomination. >> well, it's interesting that she's gone back into kentucky so agresively in the way that she has because they had pulled all their ad money off the air and now they're back up as you reported this week and, of course, she'll be there sunday and monday. and i think, you know, for them a state like kentucky the clintons over the years have put so much into a state like that, into kentucky specifically, you know, allison grimes somebody that she supported in her senate race earlier. it's exactly the kind of state that the clintons have built their entire political fortune around. it would be a blow. >> what about losing west virginia for them? she won it so decisively last -- >> last time. >> -- last cycle. how do they feel about that? >> i think they were bracing for a loss there. first of all she made the comments about putting coal minmin miners out of work. she said she regretted that.

the reality in west virginia is president obama is not that popular there. he, of course, lost back in 2008 and she's embraced president obama quite a bit in this campaign so a lot of people link her to president obama. but, look, i think what you're seeing is the major shift in the strategy in the wake of west virginia, there's a realization that she wants to win some of these states so sheheads into the convention on a stronger footing and right now bernie sanders is on a little bit of a winning streak. >> how does it play into it bernie sanders is coming off what you could call a hot streak? he was out at mt. rushmore doing his thing. how does that impact sort of the dynamic and the momentum between the two? >> that's the concern if you are the clinton campaign. because momentum is an unpredictable thing. you can feel the fundamentals are good and strong and i remember conversation back in 2012 this happened to the romney campaign, for example, they thought they were going to be able to sweep through things and they lost three states in a day and it had an effect of stretching out the primary campaign they lost all this money.

i think they are confident that this race is going to end up where they know it will be with her as the nominee, but i think there are some variables still at play and i just think in politics you never know. >> now it's a republican talking point. >> that's right. >> the republicans sewed up their nomination process before the democrats did even with the 17-person field with donald trump at the top of it. >> well, and to that point, bernie sanders is getting a lot of tough questions about is he not giving fodder to donald trump. he's coming under pressure from some democrats to get out of the race. andrea mitchell asked him about all of this earlier this week. take a look. >> we have been fighting an uphill battle from day one, but if we do very, very well we still have the possibility of coming in with a majority of pledged delegates. we've had to take on senators and governors and mayors and members of congress. that's what we have taken on. so, please, do not moan to me about hillary clinton's problems. >> moan to me. moan to me.

>> very defiant there. and, of course, his strategy is, look, if he gets enough wins he can start to could vince some of the superdelegates to change course to come over to his side. but that's difficult to do. >> i think you heard in his voice there, too, part of what's driving him to stay in this race which is you can't overestimate the degree to which bernie sanders campaign is driven by bernie sanders himself. and he very much feels the quickest way to make him angry at you is to suggest he should be getting out of this race. i feel like a broken record saying that. >> it's true. >> but it's a question he keeps getting. >> it must drive him crazy when all they say is donald trump is going to go up against hillary clinton and hillary clinton is going to be the nominee, this is the campaign donald trump is going to be facing. that's got to drive the campaign and the candidate himself crazy when he watches the news. >> it absolutely does. and they feel it's one of the reasons they haven't been able to catch up to her. >> if he can't get enough of the superdelegates to come around,

are they angling for a platform fight at the convention is that the goal? >> i think that's the goal. the democrats are saying he'll be critical to unifying the party at the end. he'll be critical. he'll be the one voice to help to rally some of the younger voters around hillary clinton and, of course, that's going to be key if she does win the general election. she needs the younger voters and the obama coalition to turn out essentially. >> my sense is that there is growing pressure from even who support bernie sanders, you know, people who have volunteered for him and maybe people inside his campaign are pushing him to do something that's specifically aimed at making sure that donald trump won't become president. while they believe in him, okay, they believe that hillary clinton is probably the answer to stopping trump and if sanders can turn his attention towards that. i will say i'm interested to see how she is going to motivate young voters. that still seems to me to be a missing piece. >> agreed. it will be a challenge for her. and i think president obama will be key to that and he's excited to get out on the campaign

trail. we saw a glimpse of it at the white house correspondents dinner and he had his ammunition and ready to go and he said he won't endorse until this is over. >> i wonder if that's not the effect more than anything else that bernie sanders is having right now as clinton tries to turn towards donald trump and he's keeping obama off the campaign trail for her. that's still the effect right now. >> in the meantime, donald trump is commenting to go after hillary clinton. bernie sanders here there and but mostly holding his fire for hillary clinton. we caught up, casey specifically caught up, with some women voters to talk about the woman card and we'll have tony decopo join us to talk about the man card. stay tuned. ♪ ♪

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interviews. i talked with women voters earlier this week. republican women voters and tony dokoupil who joins us to play the man card talked with male voters. >> the five men i talked to are not paired off with the five women you talked to. >> different states. >> your girls were in virginia. >> that would be interesting. >> it would be. i was in north carolina and i went down there not looking for the man card but hoping to get some clarity on what men think when they hear donald trump talk about hillary clinton's actions in the '90s, how she responded to bill's alleged misdeeds and alleged sexual adventures. they wanted to talk about donald trump, how he calls his opponents little this and run home to mommy. that was a turnoff for two out of the five at the table and the other three were rah-rah, i love it. >> do they think in their personal life they don't get to use the man card as much as they want? >> i think that they probably

are picking up on some changes in society over the last 30 years. women are shoulder to shoulder with men in a way that they were not when these guys were young and when they saw their fathers coming up. while they wouldn't say that i think it does contribute to a sent of resentment and also what's really fascinating and depressing for hillary clinton here is they win red lines about donald trump and how he talks about women. and they acknowledge that many things that come out of his mouth are not nice and respectful, but they believe in donald trump's heart of heart, he respects women. >> was there an issue that frustrated them who talked about the man card? was there anything that donald trump said that he stepped back and said i'm not sure i can support him? >> zero. absolutely not. two of the three trump voters at that table had never voted before and were energized to vote because of donald trump because of his posture and masculinely. >> that will be the challenge for hillary clinton. when i talked to the republican women and we went looking for

republican women to get a sense whether they were willing to vote for hillary clinton. and we found two who were and one on the fence considering. i showed them a web ad that compiled some of donald trump's distasteful perhaps statements to howard stern and others over the years. i had sort of assumed that everybody had their opinion about donald trump, they knew what he brought to the table. but when they showed them that ad there were expressions of shock. there were gasps. there was laughter. and it made me think that there is an opportunity if somebody, whether likely not the clinton campaign but maybe the superpac supporting her, if they can push that message i think that voters might learn something new. >> women in particular and it matters a lot more for women because women go to the polls in much greater numbers than men. i was looking at the data going back 40 years, about 16 million men stopped pulling the lever. now it's, like, in the 60s and

that's a 16 million voter difference. that's the margin of victory for some presidential candidates. >> that's the demographic that donald trump is trying to draw back to the polls when you look at the messaging to women we saw a little bit of that from the stop trump folks maybe last month or the month before they started to target him on that particular topic but it wasn't concerted enough to do any damage. >> too little, too late. >> the trump campaign will try to captivate as many white male voters and bring them to the polls. but the question is will they get enough out there to overtake potentially the women and the minority vote and are they going to be able to successfully target white male voters in the democratic party who may not be enthused with the idea of hillary clinton. >> i think the thing that surprised a lot of people is donald trump's opening foray this week was to go after bill clinton and his indiscretions. a lot of people, wait a minute,

republicans, why isn't he talking about policy and why isn't he focusing more on that and yet clearly he got a lot of pick-up. >> but here's the thing the campaign and those close to him will say that he's going to start talking about policy and the campaign frankly had a meeting with the rnc earlier this week where they talked about all the opposition research that they have on hillary clinton. and also the stuff that they rolled out and the stuff they're planning on rolling out. they do want to try to start getting away from these attacks against bill clinton but they can tell him that. it doesn't mean he's going to listen. they want him to talk about policy, but the easy thing to do on the campaign trail is to hit her for what gets the headlines and sound bites. >> and she's not engaging at all and that can be debated and she said that's a discussion for the '90s. we've moved on. >> something that should be discussed for hillary clinton the way she does worse in online polls and public polls. when a human being calls a voter, they are more likely to

say hillary clinton rather than pushing a button anonymously. it suggests there's a gender bias deep seated that changes people's votes. there's a lot of research, if you take two resumes totally identical but one name is john and the other is jennifer, john gets more leadership opportunities and better salaries and more job offers. >> quickly, what specifically did the voters that you were speaking to not like about hillary clinton? >> that's just it. they don't have an articulated, clear-headed point of view. >> it's visceral. >> it's a back of the brain reaction. >> the way that people can't i.d. donald trump tell ming? you absolutely love. >> which makes this campaign very fascinating. >> take your man card off the table. >> thank you so much. we are obviously off and on the road. we'll talk your questions after the break what is life on the road. you tweeted and facebook'd. we have the answers so stick around. if you're going to make a statement...

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welcome back to "road warriors." you all have expressed a lot of curiosity about what our lives are like on the road and we asked our twitter followers and facebook friends, fans, et cetera, what you wanted to know about how things are when we are on the road. and my -- the question that we got today that i have the

strongest opinion about is what is the best airport. >> i love this question. >> and why. >> we could do an entire hour on this question. >> i did. i did. i certainly could. >> next week's "road warriors." >> best and worst. the worst -- i think the worst airport in america is dulles in washington, d.c. i fly home all the time. i will do anything -- >> i avoid it. >> -- to avoid flying into dull less. the long lines. the baggage takes forever. the people movers, i'm confused what year they made the people movers. i think the best airport is reagan national. because it's so close to the city. very efficient. it's quick. >> very. >> they've upgraded the food options. >> they have a great hummus place. >> the food options are the most important thing about the airport. >> but so few places have good breakfast options that don't involve bread. >> i eat two breakfasts a day. >> we all do. >> right. >> our 5:00 a.m. breakfast and

the 9:00 a.m. breakfast. >> o'hare is the worst to connect through, the worst, it's always delayed but the food is excellent. tortas. >> a perfect airport from my perspective is something that's accessible but that also has good food so i like des moines airport. >> tiny airports are the best. >> you get in and out. or any airport you can get your nails done. >> i've never done that. that's a great idea. >> i always do that if i have time. >> we fly so much we end up getting airline status because you live on a plane. >> delta. >> delta, their food, their options in there. >> what's better? >> all right. let's get to another question. >> we could keep going. >> we could keep going. did you do your airport? >> i did my laundry is i think what -- i did not. i don't have an airport, but i do want to talk about one of the other questions i get a lot and we talk about this i think a lot which is how does your laundry get done. do you dry clean everything on the road or do you bring it

home? >> headline, halle doesn't do her laundry. she cares the same clothes over and over again. >> i don't know. god, i rotate. i think i said this before i rotate, like, 17 different sweaters. i'm in a t-shirt today, guys, i'm out of laundry. >> but what you hope for you can stay at a hotel for 24 hours so you can get your laundry done. >> exactly. >> once i was in dire straits in south carolina. i took my laundry between live shots to a laundromat. the people there thought i was crazy because i didn't have 100 quarters for the laundromat that they'd been going to forever. i don't. >> you were in tv makeup. >> they were the sweetest people in the world and helped me figure it out and when i came back one woman had my laundry for me. >> sometimes i have to buy clothes. >> sometimes the answer is shopping. >> in new york the answer is always shopping? >> but it's better when there is a target in town i have to say.

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you have two minutes to figure out what to say, i get less nervous. >> sometimes you don't have time to get nervous. do you want a minute? yes, i would like a minute. you better be ready to ask a question. >> i think donald trump hopes you're nervous. i think he wants you to be nervous. >> he's good at -- >> sure. >> i find it to go toe to toe with someone it's fun. >> agree. >> it's thrilling and exciting. give me your best shot. >> i think the nervous and jitters keeps you fresh. >> it's probably a good thing that you might say in overly casual company. >> exactly. we have a lot more, guys, which we'll take you behind the scenes at a stakeout. stay with us. you show up. you stay up. you listen. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped

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my desk? >> this is it. >> oh, shoot. >> you have a lot better way of using it than we have. >> this has been my desk. >> how you all doing? >> i want to tell you, you need a car wash. >> there was a little bit more to that. what we were doing yesterday we were on -- we were in d.c. staking out donald trump at the rnc and i was using somebody's car as a desk. actually used a trash can as a desk because they took their car out. but the great thing about a stakeout you guys know this you have to try and guess where the candidate is going. >> yes, right. >> yesterday we were trying to guess which way the cars were pointed because i think there were one, two, three, four, four or five ways donald trump could have gotten out of the rnc. >> did he come out of that exit?

>> you never get it wrong. so impressed. >> it's so annoying because you are looking and suddenly cnn goeser? else and where is cnn going? >> you can't split yourself in half and you want to, but you -- it helps if you can send your producer to one door you go to another. >> the embed heads to a third. >> we were talking during the break that's why i like bus tours because you know the candidate has to get back on that bus so you know where to stand. >> think about trump he's got the secret service and you can't get close to him and ultimately you are standing there hoping that maybe he stops the car and talks because sometimes he can't help himself. >> where's the weirdest place, the strangest place you had to write an actual script? >> the strangest place. >> the hardest place that people don't realize is we write a lot of these scripts while we're driving and while we're flying. and that creates all sorts of technical difficulties, you know, you're losing connectivity. and also you have to sometimes deal with just not feeling that well when you're in a car and writing and working but you are

up against a deadline and you have to get your script done. >> halle, how about you? >> on the ground. i've written scripts sitting on the floor somewhere. in a park because you are trying to -- my ipad, because you can take it anywhere which is good. i actually get nauseous in a car so i drive a lot when we're going around and my producer will sort of be helping me write. >> do you dictate? >> no, i don't dictate. if i have to write i'll switch and i'll take, you know, a -- whatever. >> figure it out. >> a pill? >> airports, right? finding a place. tracking, too, is tricky where you are trying to voiceover the script somewhere quiet. andrea mitchell, our colleague, has great tracking stories. we should have her come on and tell us. >> i've been i think it was an airport in greece maybe, or maybe an airport somewhere in france. and my producer out there she was covering me in her coat and another coat and i'm trying to track into a makeshift recording device because we didn't have a tracking mike. and the airport announcements

were going off and people were walking by in heels. and it was a complete and utter disaster. and they were looking at my, like, what is this american doing yelling into her jacket in an airport. >> that's actually a very good point. airports are the toughest thing because everyone's looking at you like you are a crazy person and you typically have jackets over your head. >> post-9/11 world. >> once i went into a sports shop and said i have to track and they were looking at me what is tracking. i need to voice my script. do you mind if i do this kind of into your jackets so that there's not, you know, a lot of ambient noise. >> can i borrow your jackets? >> and they just looked at me with amazement this is the strangest person we've ever seen. >> i will say the microphone is the thing that gets my bag pulled from tsa every time. they always wonder what is it. >> in one word before we wrap up because we're getting a wrap from our producers one word to describe the last week, what would you say it would be? >> ah.

>> oh, god. >> the alleyway comes to mind. >> trash cans. >> stunning. >> stunning. >> pivotal i think. >> this is it from your "road warriors" team. we'll see you next time we're all back in one place off the campaign trail. thanks for joining us. good afternoon, everyone. happy saturday. thanks for being with us. at this hour new questions, new backlash against donald trump over that decades old recording with an alleged spokesman for the billionaire businessman. >> trump still denying the voice is his own while "the washington post" reporter who took that call is now speaking out saying it is. meanwhile a new scathing article in "the new york times" about the presumptive