it doesn't matter if it's economic policy but the symbols of the nation and both men that showed behavior over the years not on one occasion that is actually totally out of bounds for men my age. >> we'll leave it there. thanks for joining us today. chuck will be back tomorrow 5:00 eastern time and kick off msnbc special coverage of the kentucky and oregon primaries. that is tomorrow and "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm willie geist. >> and i'm mark halpenin. >> mark halperin is aboard adele to flight somewhere in the united states. are you really in the can? ♪ ♪ this is your captain speaking. sit back, relax and buckle up because we're expecting some

turbulence tonight, especially for donald trump maybe, maybe controversy swirls around trump like dust around big pen but the last couple days have been more like a sand storm. there was the story about trump pretending to be his publicist which he denied and on going questions why he won't release tax returns and a lengthy new york times story purporting to show trump's improper behavior against women. rivals would bounce on the negative headlines. but trump has largely gone on offense and the campaign has gone silent and benefitting trump today, this woman named roanne brewer lane quoted and making the rounds on cable networks denouncing the story as misleading. >> i was not happy with the way that the article was written and i was promised that it wouldn't be done that way and it

absolutely was. i don't think it was fair to me and i don't think it was fair to him. it seems like they have an aagain dagai agen agenda. i feel like they misled me into that the entire time and it was almost a trap. >> willie, he have flaps over "the new york times" story. the tax return thing, the question of pr fakery. are these stories going to linger and damage to trump or just fade away as some trump things do? >> before i answer your question, important detail. roanne lead married to the lead singer of warrant. >> that will come up. >> she's my cherry pie. on the one hand, a series of stories with john miller that reinforces what most people think or know about donald trump. i don't know if there is a huge surprise in there. i'm not advocating what he did in the pieces but people think they know these things about him. it's sort of baked into the cake. on the other hand, if you look

at the autopsy, which i did, which is a window into my social life of the 2012 presidential campaign, they said explicitly minorities and women, we have to win them or we have no chance. we cannot repeat romney. we can't do worse. we have to do better. that story for an independent voter, "the new york times" story, if that influences a hand full of women, they can't afford to not lose but have to gain. >> that story had lots of accusations in it. this one woman has come forward and said her account was treated in a misleading way but there are other accusations in it that would need to be taken seriously involving particularly the workplace. the clinton campaign has been silent. if you said donald trump was hit with a huge mega ton new york times story about trump and women, you'd expect there to be a lot of clinton surrogates out there. silence today presumably because they don't want to engage in discussions of people's person past and i think trump is on

offense not on the tax return, the clinton people hit him on that. the pr thing to me surprisingly disappeared. now maybe when trump is asked about it again and has to address correctly whether he ever did that which he admitted in the past, it will come back but the women thing is just hugely complicated because if the clinton people don't make a big deal of it and none of the women speak out reinforcing the story, where does it go? >> they are clearly concerned what he does next which is the big question. will donald trump go from putting out roanne as he did today which is perfectly reasonable to making that leap to bill clinton and will independent voters, people vote income a general election say wait a minute, bill clinton's indiscretions do not reflect on hillary clinton. will he over reach in the case of the women's story? >> the reality for trump is like he can go on offense. there is not a story that's come out about him, even the most damaging fighting with megyn kelly and john mccain, he will

go on offense no matter what. hillary clinton is more like a typical candidate when something bad happens. trump runs into it. >> i watch this show enough to know the bell means one minute left. >> for fun, go forward. >> this weekend brought back the 2 for 1 special on the stump in kentucky yesterday. hillary clinton said if elected, she would take advantage of her husband's economic wizardry. >> my husband who i'm going to put in charge of revitalizing the economy because you know he knows how to do it -- [ cheers ] >> especially in places like coal country and inner cities and other parts of our country that have really been left out. >> and here is what secretary clinton said today when asked about the former president on a rope line in bowling green, kentucky. >> i think we know how to create jobs. i think my husband did a heck of a job creating jobs back in the

'90s. >> as we know from a remarkable new york times story, trump plans to bring the up the former president's infidelities with the world watching, mark given hillary clinton is talking about her husband on the trail. how is bill clinton's role shaping up as a factor for both sides in the general? >> when she raised the notion like there was tremors all over the place, some people said great, fantastic and others said that just seems weird for her to make a specific claim and almost offer him a job. i think it hangs in the balance here. bill clinton has proven he can walk through negative stories when he was a candidate and president. right now, when he's out there, he's not very high profile. trump will put him front and center and incumbent upon hillary clinton to respond and trump will say you're not the victim here, you're a co-conspirator. how will bill clinton handle it? some are terrified he's not going to handle this it will get

inside his head and trump will be a master of cyops. >> the story which is that you can't go out and throw slime at hillary clinton. there has to be strategy and reflect on her in someway. that will be up to him to figure out how to twist that. the most remarkable thing about the story we were talking about is donald trump came out and announced five months ahead of the first debate the strategy for the first debate which is to throw all this stuff at her on that stage. >> part of that is recklessness or care. trump knows how to deal with these things. i've talked to him throughout the campaign about republicans and what he would say and he just gets it. he gets the way the media cycle works, what he can do on twitter and as he said accurately on this stuff, he's just begun. that story suggestions that. some would like him to hold off and do this later, he's going

for it now and the story about him, if the clintons say a word about it, it will all happen in realtime. let's go back now, stay with trump and controversies continue to swirl around him. many republicans will be asked between now and the november election to weigh in and an object lesson how the efforts may go come this weekend when the chairman reince priebus was asked on sunday about a host of bad headlines for his party's presumptive nominee about trump and women. >> you say they found repeated instances of trump insulting women and making unwanted advances even in the workplace. does that bother you? >> you know, a lot of things bother me, chris. i got to tell you, i think all these stories that come out and come out every couple weeks, people just don't care. look, i'm not saying people don't care about it. >> do you have any doubts in your mind about trump's

relationship with women about the way he talks about women? >> i think that, you know, as just christians judging each other is problematic. it's when people live in glass houses and throw stones is when people get in trouble. >> wh ocoa. priebus had equally squirm stories. was that a sign of people to come. >> let me provide the subtext. what the hell do you want from me? i'm going along for the ride and holding on for dear life. this is a guy that doesn't know. he says do you think donald trump is listening to me and the alleged establishment? has he listened for the last year? do you think he's going to listen for the last six months? they are like a basketball defender waiting to see trump's move. he doesn't have control over the process. >> the answers he gave as

squirming as they were and as uncomfortable, that's the best anybody can do. all they can say is the public doesn't care and they want this election to be about other stuff. if trump can reach an agreement on a few economic principles to talk about, lower taxes, less government, some things they can say well, we want this to be about middle clalss families, whatever, that gives safe harbor. it's not clear what trump will run on, that's all he can say but man, i mean, reince priebus has staff, briefed, dogcatchers in the republican party. how will they answer for him? >> i don't know. i wish i knew. none of us have been able to answer but do you think all the people that met with donald trump last week were able to inject some humility is not the word, sanity is not the word but some normalcy into him where he could say behave a little bit like a normal politician. >> i think they planted the seed but the tree has not grown yet,

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when you're not thinking about car insurance. compare.com politicians have been polishing speeches but president obama used part of the remarks at rutgers university yesterday to try general election messages but didn't call out donald trump or pseudonyms, at least not by name. >> in politics and in life, ignorance is not a vitrue. it's not cool to not know what you're talking about the it's not keeping it real or telling it like it is. that's not challenging political correctness. isolating or disparaging muslums, suggesting they should be treated differently when it

comes into entering this country, that is not just a betrayal or our values, that's not just a betrayal of who we are, it would alienate the very communities at home and abroad who are most important partners in the fight against violent extremism. >> president obama is expected to be one of hillary clinton's staunch advocates in the general election but does it help her cause when he goes after donald trump that way? >> he was in full house white house correspondence, the jokes, the smiles. does he help or hurt? >> when president obama comes out, it helps donald trump because you can point this guy. this is a guy we're running against and the reason we're here. in a general election, president obama is a relatively popular guy despite the things donald trump can say about the economy, he's not under water. he's 52, 53% gallop approval rating. i think on the whole, i think president obama helps hillary. >> i do, too.

i think he's going to be a great credible force and voters in some independence. i do think and i didn't think this until this weekend when i watched that speech. i do think that she is going to have to do this herself and i think to some extend if you're out there with your major su surrogates, people talk about overshadowing, i think she needs to find the same voice he has and the contrast is pretty stark. he's framing it better than her and that's not a problem for her but it does show the level she needs to get closer to. >> whether she likes it or not, she's out to protect his legacy. i agree with you on that point. i thought the clip we showed a minute ago to put bill clinton out to run the economy, my first thought is shouldn't you instead of leaning on them? >> i got to say one more thing, he does it with humor. she has to learn to do it with

humor. when she does it now, she's being aggressive but not funny. >> a lot of names being thrown around. let's talk about one of them. bob gates who went on cbs's "face the nation" and asked if he would ever consider working for a donald trump administration. let's say the answer was something short. >> i learned along time ago never to say never but that could be inconceivable to me. that would have to be a conversation with the candidate. >> gates went on to say he was initially unwilling to work for then president elect obama before the two met and discussed a number of issues including afghanistan and defense budget and team. based on gates' answer yesterday, do you believe he is open a little bit to running with trump? >> i do. i thought for awhile if donald trump could get bob gates to be the running mate, the chances of winning would go up dramatically. why not go for it? bob gates hasn't worked in the

government for a long time and been called back well beyond public service and the fact he said never say never, even though he's been a critic of trump and even though he respects hillary clinton, to me, that was like a want add. practically like saying anybody got a job for me? i'm exaggerating. i think he's open to it and if trump could get him again, it changed the race overnight. >> trump has to go younger, more diverse. on the other hand, donald trump needs somebody that shows he has a steady hand on the wheel. >> you have fewer concerns about bob gates having the nuclear codes. >> people talk about maybe he should pick newt gingrich. chris christie is high on the list, they do not bring for a lot of people a sense of stability and i think the thought of trump picking somebody like that could hurt his chances rather than help chances. i think gates helps his chances

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candidacy and prospects of defeating donald trump including poor showings with young women, unlikability and lackluster style and supporters worry she's a conventional candidate in an unconventional election in which voters clearly favor renegades. dan, thanks for joining us. great story. like most great stories, it both reflects the reality and will i think somewhat shape it because it will worry a lot of democrats that don't know but this is true, what has caused the worry that is bubbling up now in clinton world? is it coming from research? is it comes from things from outside clinton world? where is it coming from? >> i think it comes from the outside. i think it comes from several things, mark. one obviously is donald trump is an unconventional candidate and they look at the kind of traditional balance speed and say this guy is upside down on all kinds of things and groups and yet, they know he has survived a lot of things normal politicians wouldn't have

survived or presumably wouldn't have survived. the second is the degree to which bernie sanders has been able to sustain his candidacy throughout this long primary seasons in ways i don't think a lot of her partisans had anticipated and third, i think that they recognize that as a candidate, she is not, her husband, as she said, and she is not barack obama as she's said and they add all of that up and notice as peter the pollster pointed out, his likability is the lowest bar for a politician to get over, her numbers are worse today than when she started the campaign. they add that together and think look, we believe they say she will win the election but no question she's got real weaknesses that in one way or another have to be reckoned with. >> dan, how does she reverse that over the course of six months. how can she be likable inside

her camp? >> willie, i'm not sure she can on some. one person we talked to is dan pfeiffer to president obama and he said, i mean, there are certain things you can do in a campaign and there are certain things you can't and if you have an image baked in after a year of campaigning and a quarter of a century on the public stage, there is not a lot you can do about that. i think there are a couple of things. one is i think she is going to have to do a more positive out reach even to some conkn constituencies whether younger women or independent women. she needs to lay more positive things on the table but i think another reality is that she's going to have to do the kind of campaign that frankly that president obama had to do in 2012, which was find a way to try to disqualify her opponent. the obama campaign went early after mitt romney in the late spring and the middle of the

summer of 2012. we're going to see that begin thing week with priorities usa and there will have to be a lot more of that for it to stick. as a republican has said to me privately, if that doesn't work she's got a real problem. we're in for an interesting moment and testing period of whether she's got some positive things that she can put on the table that haven't kind of stuck for her and then whether the attacks on donald trump have a different impact than the primaries and we know she's dealing with her he's dealing with a much different electret. >> among the many remarkable quotes in your piece, is this from a long time friend and supporter of hillary clinton says quote she's horrible at running but fantastic at governing. that's been out there from people observing but to hear it from the inside is pretty stunning. >> it is, and i think it is a way that people say we think she would make a terrific president

if the hillary clinton that we know could be seen by the rest of the country. this wouldn't be a close race. i think people genuinely believe that who are around her whether they are in an inner circle or one of the various outer circles of clinton world but they also recognize she has not been a very strong candidate and they know that donald trump has just been unusual as a candidate and he has an ability to kind of control the dialogue to control the conversation and if she has to be responding to him which she clearly doesn't want to do, that's going to make it more difficult. so they are looking for some spark, something that she's got that she can reassure them that she's going to be able to navigate what will be an unusual general election. >> i hate to use the sports metaphor but i have to. is she going to have to do something long ball or grind it out? >> i don't know the answer to that, mark. everything we know about her and you know this probably better than i is that she's not a long

ball kind of candidate. >> not usually. >> that's right. she is an increate mentalest the woody hayes three yards in the dust kind of candidate. i think it's hard for somebody to change the way they operate and all of her instincts tell her to do what has been over time successful for her certainly wasn't in the campaign against barack obama, but in general in her life, that's the way she's gotten ahead and i think she probably believes in that. if it isn't working, we might have to see a change. >> i know the people don't respect the notion of president but have they grown respect for him as a candidate? >> i think they recognize they are dealing with a wildly opponent. i don't think there is a doubt about that. they are trying to figure out what's the right way to go back after him, what are his real weaknesses, what can they do to make it more difficult for him for example to begin to get a

total in a place like pennsylvania or wisconsin and certainly ohio is going to be a battle ground. what can they do in those states? what can they do in florida to start some of the super pac advertising? i think this is still in many ways kind of a work in progress. they do have a primary campaign they still have to run and so in someways, she's got to concentrate on pushing forward and making sure she can get that done before she can really go after donald trump. >> okay. dan, great story with yours. a republican congressman gives us an update of 2016. that and more right after this.

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with us now on capitol hill, david jolly, he does not have both feet of the trump train and becoming a senator from florida

so he's got a lot going on. thank you for joining us. >> you got it, thank you for having me, appreciate it. >> fill us in. where do you stand on your own internal and public deliberations about whether you'll be enthusiastically for donald trump rather than for trump because he's not hillary clinton. >> you know, i'm not there yet. i do hope that donald has the ability to unify the party, truly unify the party by november. look, my issues are conservative issues in addition to tone. it's suggestions of pulling out of nato, one of the great security forces in the country. there are strong policy differences. i did call on him to drop out of the race in november and supported another candidate but donald won it fair and scarquar. you saw movement on his behalf. i hope by the time we get to november, withe can have a unif party. we believe a wrong for the

future of the country. >> what could donald trump possibly say in the next couple of weeks or months to you on a phone call or meeting that would convince you he's a true conservative? >> look, i have serious policy concerns and so yes, i would like to see those addressed. i mentioned nato and printing money to pay off the national debt. i have concerns about targeting women and children and bringing back torture and religious test i don't think is necessary to secure the borders. we should have a security test but not religious test. i would like to see movement in that direction but also in a credible way. one of the reasons that i have with held my support as of today is to really see who is donald trump in november. you know, to ask me in may whether or not i will support a candidate in november, not knowing exactly what the platform will be, i'm not prepared to do it. am i going to stand in the way? no. he's won the nomination of the party. the party should look at him for

leadership. i hope it's leadership i'm able to support come november but i'm not there yet and i don't know if i will get there by november, we'll see. >> you made a signature issue before the stop act to try to break the income ban si and asking for money. looking at donald trump the presumptive nominee and how he's approached fundraising, is he a kindered spirit? >> willie said what can donald trump do to get my support? i'd love donald trump endorse the s.t.o.p. act. it's in line with the populous movement. he brought voters because he said let's get washington back to work. members of congress should be prohibited from soliciting a contribution for themselves or their parry. a lot of state legislatures do it across the country. judges on the ballot in 30 states are prohibited from

raising money. the u.s. supreme court upheld that prohibition. less reform and more congressional reform. it says instead of spending 20 to 30 hours a week raising money, let's have a congress that puts down the phone and fe gets back to work on balance budget, transportation, tax reform and get a congress back to work called the s.t.o.p. act, we got a website the s.t.o.p. act.com. i need the support of every american to get this over the finish line. >> and yet, congressman you've only found eight co-sponsors for this. it seems to me like the thing if they were serious about campaign finance reform, they would jump on board and the american public listens to you. why haven't you found more support in the hall behind you? >> i joke at seven more co-sponsors than i thought we would have. it's a reflex, heartbreaking reelection on how little gets done up here. it's also a heartbreaking reelection on how money controls

reelections. i'm not judging or criticizing, i'm giving them breathing room. when i mention the s.t.o.p. act, they see the relief and breathing room and want to be helpful and the reality of big money sink in and realize they have got to spend their time raising money and their political survival relies on raising money and so incumbents don't want to talk about it. we are starting a movement, when we came out with the s.t.o.p. act, i heard from people coast-to-coast, republicans, democrats, a third grader understands get back to work. work work on issues. as the retiree sent a letter and said here is $5. please help get the s.t.o.p. act done. we need folks from across the country. our leadership in congress but presidential candidates, as well. donald trump, bernie sanders, hillary clinton to say the stop act is one small step we can implement right now and we can

then tackle the very complex issue of broad base campaign finance reform. >> man on a mission. couple missions at least. thank you very much. up next, why the clinton campaign is being noticeably silent on the big new york times story about donald trump's behavior towards and with women. democratic strategists and msnbc correspondent casey hunt on next to talk more about that after this. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country.

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♪ ♪ our next guest tonight is two guests tonight, msnbc casey hunt joins us from the clinton campaign trail in bowling green, kentucky here with us in the studio, democratic strategists, vice president to al gore mike feldman, thank you both for joining us. casey, you've been out tracking the top pick we were sitting back here in new york talking about whether hillary clinton and her campaign are reacting to the new york times story and you talked to hillary clinton today about it in an extended interview. tell us about that. >> reporter: it was not an extended interview, mark, but, you know, she did stop instead of simply moving along and waiting. i asked her about whether or not she thinks that donald trump has conducted himself well with women. >> do you think donald trump has treated women well in the course of his life and business de

dealings? >> i'm going to talk about what i want to do as president and we're going to draw the contrast. >> so -- >> reporter: we're going to draw the contrast is about all we got there but i mean, look, they don't want to talk about this, right? she wants to talk about literally everything else there is to talk about with donald trump which she did on the trail today but not that one. that's one they seem to be stepping away from. >> go ahead. >> mike, i was going to say this new york times story, whenever you think of it seems right for the clinton campaign to use against donald trump. why aren't they even mentioning it in public? >> first of all, i'm not sure this is something that secretary clinton or her campaign needed to take on directly. i mean, over a period of time people will develop a sense for donald trump his history, his leadership, but i think the campaign is focused on talking about the issues that they think are going to be relevant to voters. i think that's why you saw them jump on the tax issue because they see that as material. i don't think they are in a

hurry to rush down the gutter, which is ultimately where the campaign expects this to be fought. i'm not sure they are in a rush to get there. >> casey, how much of this do you suspect is the fear of the war fa warfa warfar warfare? >> reporter: aids say they have drawn a careful line in the sand about not responding to personal attacks. you saw what they call personal attacks and you saw that with enabler comments this week. it got awkward in the room when women and children kind of standing around hillary clinton, reporters asking about that particular subject and they are honoring that in their own approach to donald trump at this point. i also think in this particular case, i think mike is right, if they go too early on this, it's potentially a problem and i don't think they think there was

a huge bombshell in the new york times story, either. if there was something more clear cut, they may have made a different calculations. it was different the way it was presented to come through with a clean headline where they felt the campaign getting involved would be beneficial. >> mike, in 2008 campaign john and i reported that a lot of democratic big figures, harry reid chuck schumer and others were worried about bill clinton's life turned openly to barack obama. in this case, the establishment has no other backup to turn to bernie sanders, how much do you worry about or suspect exists in democratic sie democratic circles about possibility in the neck of nominee? >> look, i don't detect a lot of kr concern about that. don't get me wrong, i don't think people are anxious or looking forward to what will become a negative campaign. i think the clinton campaign and su surrogates are aware this

campaign will be no holt barred but again, the clinton campaign and secretary clinton, i think her job is to talk about what brand of change she wants to bring to the election to the point i think you were talking about it in an earlier segment with dan, make sure people find donald trump's brand of change unacceptable to a large number of voters, particularly those open minded about the outcome. i think that's where they want to have this campaign, not in the mud, not raising personal allegations about either candidate. there will be plenty of that but i don't think that's where they want to have the fight. >> i was going to ask you, if you were inside the hillary clinton campaign, despite the build in advantages of fundraising and demographic leads, how concerned would you be? >> by the way, on your earlier segment about dan's piece, i'm happy that people are worried about this campaign. the last thing they can afford to be is complacent.

being concerned is partly how you win. yes, it is asemimet trickle and it will be fought in a way that hasn't had to be defended in a long time and it's disorienting and probably a healthy thing for the clinton campaign to approach. they can't paint by the numbers but i don't think anybody up to and including secretary clinton thinks that. >> you're in kentucky because secretary clinton is there. she's spending a lot of time there. why do they feel they might lose because obviously, they think there say chance and what do you think they think the costs are to losing? >> reporter: well, a couple things. look, coal country is really the most fundamental answer here that remark she made in ohio about cole jobs still damaging her here. i also think, you know, there is more registered democrats than registered republicans but will vote for republicans for federal

office and i think there is a sense in the clinton campaign some of those people may vote for bernie sanders when they show up there even though they plan to vote for trump in the general. the consequences for them is a string of unbroken momentum for sanders and an increased sense of resentment and anger from sanders supporters. you saw a taste of this in nevada, the democratic convention went sideways because bernie sanders support ers seemd angry. any noises along the lines and the more residents the argument has with bernie sanders supporters, the bigger potential going into philadelphia. i don't think there is a real nervousness they won't clinch this nomination. i think the road could be rockier if they don't handle it here or pull out a win here. >> let's say you were like dick morris giving advice. love dick morris. donald trump calls you, hillary

clinton calls you, they ask what am i doing right now? would you tell donald trump, what would you tell hillary clinton? >> i would tell donald trump he can't win the general election approaching the race that he approached it and i mean in terms of attention and strategy in terms of running a real presidential campaign. that may work for a narrow splice of the republican electr electret. he needs to get serious about the campaign and treat it that way. and for secretary clinton, i would say and i think they have done a good job of it try not to be distracted. this is a long campaign and ultimately, this sbis about you. the electret will change and focus. people are looking at the candidates. she needs to remind people why she's qualified to be president and to some extend paint the

brand of change as unacceptable. >> donald trump views it almost exactly the opposite the way you said it. he gave that interview to the new york times where he said a baseball team that wins the pendant doesn't change the way it plays in the world series. he believes the way he got the nomination will get him to become president. >> for me to question instincts thanks i have been good. having said that, that's true to some extent. he can't completely lose who he is as a credible voice in someone that speaks his mind but i don't think you can win a general election campaign for president of the united states by winging it and i don't think -- i think there are people around him telling him the same thing right now. >> less than 30 seconds, what's the feel out there with the candidate and campaign? does it seem buoyant or between sanders and trump seem off base? >> i didn't get the sense they feel off key or base. i think to a certain extent, secretary clinton herself seems

to be running against trump in a competitive way. she's a competitive person and people around her are saying that. i think there is a worriness for sure about how this is going to play out and i think you're seeing caution. >> casey hunt, kentucky, mike, thank you both. up next, my conversation with the governor of texas greg abbott, the lone star state and his book. if you're watching us, you can listen to us at bloomberg 99.1 f.m. we'll be right back. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support. it's a fiber supplement that helps support regularity, and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy. mmm, these are good! nice work phillips'. the tasty side of fiber, from phillips.

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earlier today i sat down with greg abbott, the fight to fix a broken america focuses on the personal struggles after an accident that left him paralyzed. i asked him if he would have achieved even more had he not had his accident. >> i have accomplished more after the accident than i would

have accomplished before the accident. i tell people something they find hard to believe and that is my life is better after the accident that put me in this wheelchair. i'm closer to god. i'll closer to my wife. i'm closer to understanding the reality of why we are really here. we're all here for a purpose and that is to in our unique way ship the world in which we live. i comprehend that paradeeper than i did before the accident. >> you and i spoke about the tenth amendment. i want to ask you about the balance, which of those should be fixed in part by washington and which should be fixed by the states? >> they should all be fixed by washington but because of insider status and the way washington works, they are incapable of fixing it. i'll give you the most profound example which is one question you ask and that is look away -- look at the way the president is

unilaterally rewriting the laws. it's supposed to be members of congress that write the laws. that's not the way it works. you won't believe this stat is that is more than 90% of the laws issued by the federal government are never even voted on by the united states congress so americans are living under the dictates of unelected, unawe countable burro cats. >> so people watching, they say that's the governor of texas. i'm not interested in politicians books. explain who this is targeted to? >> those grass roots, you see it in the presidential election on the republican and democrat side. look at bernie sanders campaign. you see people fed up with people in washington who have been there a long time and cannot get the job done.

they are part of the problem. the solution is not invented by me but james madison, alexander hamilton. they may clear the beginning, the states have a vibrant role to play in america. the current washington d.c. destroyed the role of the states in america. it's time that we return power in this country to where it belongs and that is the states. >> you got a lot of constituents supporting donald trump and two prominent ones sitting out the campaign, both named bush. have you talked to them? >> i have not. >> what would you tell them? >> it would be -- >> if they solicited. >> let me tell you what i tell my fellow texans, if you would. that is not voting does nothing but empower hillary clinton. we faced dire threats and dire results to this country if hillary clinton is elected.

there is the supreme court is the tipping point and if hillary appointments and the successor to scalia and justices. sitting out is not an option. if you want to vote for trump, you can vote against hillary. >> how do you see it playing out between now and november? >> the way i see it playing out is people will come to grips with the reality. hillary clinton is a worse version of barack obama and they have -- are fed up with that approach and i think they will reject hillary clinton. >> and so will trump win easily? >> i believe he will. >> i'll break the greg abbott talking points but asking stuff you're not expecting now. r ready? >> sure. >> best tacos in austin? >> madis. breakfast tacos. >> the correct answer was

torchies. uber good for america, bad for america? >> good. >> anything wrong with it? >> i don't know the ins and outs of it. here is what it does, it provides options for americans and i think that's a good thing. >> what is the greatest movie ever made? >> i'm going to go with an answer you're not going to expect and i want to explain the answer before i tell you. >> just to be clear, if your answer is "austin powers "i'm not surprised. >> it's not -- >> president bush liked those. >> it's a movie that connects me with my daughter who i love dearly and who i used to go to movies with every friday, but it transcend generations, "shrek". >> it does. his book is called "broken but unbound" and we'll be right back.

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we'll be back here tomorrow in oregon and kentucky, until then, for the entire team here at "eyewitness" si." coming up "hardball" with chris matthews. trump versus the times. let's play hardball. >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in new york. donald trump pushed back hard yesterday that looked at his treatment of women and called the story a lame hit piece and a joke. he also said it was malicious and according to the times piece, interviews with dozens of women that knew him quote