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called the dictator a maniac and ahead of today's meeting with henry kissinger. and the face-off at facebook. a group of conservatives will meet with facebook officials today amid claims that the site excluded conservative news from its trending topics. good morning, everyone, i'm tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc headquarters here in new york. we begin with the turmoil this morning in the democratic party. after the split victories in oregon and kentucky, senator bernie sanders now vowing not to go anywhere after taking oregon. >> there are a lot of people out there, many of the pundits and politicians, they say bernie sanders should drop out. let me be as clear as i can be. i agree with you, we are in to the last ballot is cast. >> clinton is the apparent winner in kentucky but by less than 2,000 votes.

due to that slim margin, the sanders campaign is considering requesting a recount. at his rally in carson, california, last night sanders also defiantly slammed the democratic party in the wake of the chaos that erupted in nevada over the weekend. sanders supporters disrupted the convention by booing and chanting. they're also accused of vandalism and even making death threats after claiming the convention rules were unfair and the process rigged. while sanders again condemned any violence, he issued this warning last night. >> let me also say a word to the leadership of the democratic party. it can do the right thing and open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change.

the other option for the democratic party, which i see as a very sad and tragic option, is t to choose to retain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy. >> meantime democratic party leaders are calling the sanders campaign, quote, dishonest and saying that sanders has failed to adequately denounce the threats of physical violence. >> there is a way to deal with frustration over process, but the fact that the sanders campaign has issued a "but" in between condemnation of violence and frustration over the process seems to excuse their supporters' actions, which is unacceptable. >> joining me live now, bernie sanders surrogate, former ohio state senator nina turner, who was at the nevada state

democratic convention to represent senator sanders. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, tamron. >> before we go over what happened in nevada and what you witnessed there, how do you describe last night's split victory and the tone largely that debbie wasserman schultz has taken issue with regarding the sanders statement. >> well, i'm certainly proud of both kentucky and oregon. senator sanders competed very well in kentucky, as you laid out the stats, and he took oregon just flat out. in terms of the chairwoman of the dnc, tamron, i'm a little miffed. i really can't understand her tone towards senator sanders. and i know the chairwoman so i don't know what's going on between her and senator sanders. but as the leader of the dnc, the chairwoman has an obligation to first understand and then seek to be understood. what i mean by that is that there is no doubt that in this country, both on the left and the right but let's just deal with the democrats right now, that there is a tension building. people are not just going to sit

back and accept business as usual. and the same sanders supporters that she now wants to condemn and others want to condemn, lumping all of senator sanders supporters into one bunch is not very helpful moving forward, especially if secretary clinton is the nominee. those will be the same voters, tamron, that they will be begging to vote in the general election. so we've got to come to grips here and come together here on tone all the way around. >> but when you say lumping the sanders supporters into one bunch, i want to play what a bernie sanders delegate, on the floor, organizer, let's play what she said happened in nevada. >> this is what happened is we had 4,000 of the most passionate people in this valley who got in a room together and you put them in this con fined space for 15 plus hours and who had little access to food and had three bars outside of the convention center that were put there specifically for us.

i don't know in what other situation where that wouldn't have created high emotions. >> what do you make of that description? to me it sounds like that snip elt has little to do with democracy, opening doors as bernie sanders and some people were on edge, hungry and had too much to drink maybe. >> listen, i didn't see people consuming alcohol but let's face it, we were in las vegas. i was in that room eight hours so i won't pretend to say i know everything that went on. unlike other folks that are commentating on this, i was in the room. the caucus process does need to be reformed. it is a lot to ask people to be in one space all day long. but i will tell you this, the people that came here, whether they support the secretary or they support the senator, they came here to do business. this was not a rally, these were delegates. and the way that the chairwoman handled -- i was in there for the voice vote over the rules, and it was clear that the nos had it, that they did not want

to accept the temporary rules, ye yet the chairwoman ruled in favor of the yeses and she stifled debate so emotions were running high in that room. i did not see any incidences of violence. senator sanders has condemned anybody that made that threat, they are wrong all day long. we don't know if that was senator sanders supporters, but whoever did it is a coward. you should not threaten the chairwoman of nevada, you shouldn't threaten her family. that cannot be acceptable. but what i didn't hear the media talk about is when senator sanders campaign office was shot up earlier in the process. nobody was talking about that. that's more than a threat. i didn't hear the chairwoman talking about that. but now you want to talk about this kind of -- this only. so this is a holistic process that we really have to deal with, but threats are not acceptable. senator sanders said that. but people are not dealing with respectable politics right now. what i saw in that room were people who were crying out for

fairness, tamron, and not only that, i spoke right after senator barbara boxer. representative lucy flores and i were both asked by the chairwoman to try to bring down the temperatures in the room. and you know what, we did just that. we could have said storm the torpedos. but we did not. by the time i was done, that room was calm. so much so that even supporters of secretary clinton were standing up by the end. that's what leadership does. >> and we will have on the state democratic chairwoman, roberta lang, who said she received those threats and was also presenting, but just listen to some of the things that you said, nina, regarding the system perhaps being rigged or as it is designed somehow unfair. i have to be honest with you, a lot of what you just said, including the pivot to the media not covering this instead of that sounded very familiar to me. it sounds like a lot of the things we heard from donald trump when he thought he wasn't going to secure the nomination. a lot of things that katrina

pierson that had come on this show and had said regarding the criticism of the tone of some of trump's supporters and the notion that because he wasn't winning or was worried he wouldn't secure the naum thags that the process was rigged, a process that was in place before senator sanders decided to run or the process that he agreed to upon running. >> well, tamron, that doesn't mean that the process shouldn't be changed. i think we're confusing issues here. the fact of the matter is that senator sanders' office was shot up. okay, shot up. not just voice mail, but shot up. there is a responsibility to disavow that kind of behavior as well. that's all i'm saying. >> do you know who shot up the office? as you just said, you don't know if it's the bernie sanders supporters who were carrying out some of the violence in nevada. are you inclined that this was -- you bring it up so i'm asking you. who do you think is responsible then? was it investigated? you've thrown it out there so i'm going to hand it back to you

to explain who you believe is responsible. did the police drop the ball? are they not properly investigating it? were there charges? did the senator sanders campaign office file complaints there? what happened? >> what violence, though, cameron. people keep want to talk about violence at that convention, what violence? >> so there weren't chairs thrown? >> oh, my gosh. tamron, all i can do is speak to when i was in the room. when i was in the room, nothing like that happened. >> so you're saying you didn't witness -- there's a difference in saying that you didn't witness it and that it just did not happen. >> what i am -- i'm only going to speak to what happened when i was in the room now. but there is video footage of someone picking up a chair and it's online right now and a gentleman walking by that person, putting that chair down and hugging it out. all i'm saying is that the threats to the chairwoman were absolutely wrong, totally unaccept unse unacceptab unacceptable. those folks should come forward

and apologize. in terms of violence happening in that room, there's a difference between people being treated unfairly and voicing their opinion about being treated unfairly in terms of what happened in that room and now all of a sudden to have people just overlay over the entire convention that senator sanders supporters somehow have a propensity for violence. quite frankly, i see that as nevada democratic party covering their behind because they did not carry out in that room. that room was not -- was not handled properly. what was going on in that room was not handled properly, tamron. >> back to this shooting that you brought up this hour, reading one of the reports from the weekly standard. this came after bernie sanders said tuesday that shots were fired and an apartment housing complex that his campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked. senator sanders made this statement in response to criticism made against his campaign organization. i have the full statement here now. the police have investigated this. they did not find, according to

what i have here, and this may not be the most updated but i'm being told that it is, that there was no bullet found. if an office is shot up, it's at least right here this information and i will prepare to correct it if i have what is wrong was not found. so what do you know differently than i'm reporting now or that i've been provided? >> i went to that office. i saw the bullet holes in the glass, in the window, so i'm not sure what the police found. but the bottom line is this, senator sanders did not come out, he did not say -- he didn't blame that on secretary clinton or her folks or her supporters. he did not do that. and so what i am saying here is that senator sanders and his supporters are being unfairly maligned. people at that convention are grown, tamron, they're not children. senator sanders is not their father. >> that could be said about donald trump. even though his rhetoric does not match anything we've heard from bernie sanders. >> not at all. >> not even close. >> not at all. >> there were some at the time and you and i both know that said well, these are individuals

who were acting out. senator sanders has not been accused of any incendiary comments like donald trump, but the pivot to people are grown and you can't be responsible, let's talk more maturely about the party and the unity of the party, whether senator sanders is going to fight it out to the very end, which is searchly his choice and that is the route he is going, the potential problem with party unity if he somehow becomes the nominee or if hillary clinton becomes the nominee. how do these sides come together? at some point someone will be the presumptive nominee, nominee of the party. >> well, that's true, tamron, but everybody has a responsibility. senator sanders has been saying from the beginning all along and we can go back and roll the tape, even before the incident in nevada happened, which i do agree with our campaign manager jeff weaver, this is an isolated incident with one party. but people have been conducting themselves with the utmost respect. just because people voice their disappointment with the process does not make them violent. now, in terms of the party

coming together, there is responsibilities on all sides. but folks are not -- this is a disruption election on the left and the right. and when i say disruption, i don't mean in a violent way, because, again, violence cannot or threats of violence cannot be tolerated but people are not, tamron, just simply going to roll over the way some leaders think. they're going to have to earn and win over these folks. >> what about the votes that hillary clinton has earned? there seems to be a negating of the facts when it comes to that. when bernie sanders and i'll specifically ask you, when he says have an open system and that it is not fair, how do you open the system when you decided this is the game of football and now you want to change it to soccer? the rules have been in place, the game is on. you're in the last inning, if i can use another sports analogy, i might fall out of this chair. but you're in the last inning. what about the votes that hillary clinton earned and how then at this point do you open it in a way that senator sanders would agree to? i'm curious of the specifics

here beyond the rhetoric. we can use a thousand words, but what do you mean open and what about hillary clinton's votes? >> i mean what about her votes? she earned certain votes and he's earned certain votes. >> has she -- does she have more votes than he has? >> well, it's obvious more people have voted for her. but the process is not over, tamron. >> i'm asking you, though, where things stand right now and where the math is right now. >> but see, this is not just about math. and i think that's what's missing in this entire debate. if we just get this down to math -- >> should senator sanders run as an independent? it appears from your passions, his supporters' passions, some of those who have said never hillary, are there discussions behind the scenes if the math doesn't matter to you and it appears the math will be on her side, is the campaign considering senator sanders running as an independent? >> tamron, i never said the math doesn't matter, i just said this race is bigger than that.

>> so if it's bigger than math -- >> it is. >> is it now time for the campaign to consider senator sanders running as an independent, if it's bigger than math and more about a movement, a message and a so-called rigged system? is the solution an independent run? >> that's up to senator sanders. >> what do you say? what do you believe? >> tom ramron, it is his decisi. what i will say is this. people are hurting in this nation and they are looking for lordship that will stand up, no matter what. and senator sanders has proven that he is that kind of leader going up against wall street, talking about universal health care, talking about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour to lift people in this country. that, tamron, is what is attracting folks to senator sanders and there are some people who are attracted to him who don't have a party loyalty necessarily. it really is about him and his movement and his mission. >> so if that's the case, if there are some who don't have a party loyalty, and i'm not saying you're one of those -- >> i've been a lifelong democrat. >> that doesn't mean you have to

vote for the democratic nominee if it's hillary clinton. so i'll ask you with the message that you believe is not in play, would you vote for hillary clinton if she's the nominee? >> i'm going to say what i've said every time somebody has asked me that question. that as long as the candidate that i am supporting, and that's senator bernie sanders, is in this race, i'm not making a decision on that. i want him to be the nominee, to become the next president of the united states of america. so i'm not -- i'm not even there yet. we will see what happens in july. >> i think that was a fair answer three months ago, i don't think it's one now but i'll be the first to ask you. i'll let you pivot on it. >> not a pivot, tamron. let's bring in nevada state democratic party chair roberta lange, thank you for joining us. let me get your assessment of the laundry list of things i spoke with nina turner about. first of all, what can you tell me happened at this bernie sanders campaign headquarters

where this alleged firing of a gun and that shots were fired at this office. what do you know about that, in nevada? >> honestly, the first time i heard about it was 10:00 last night. i had never heard about it before so i can't really comment on it. i don't -- i didn't know anything about it. >> when you heard about it, were you not concerned enough to, i guess, inquire if there was a police report, even if it was last night? you are the state democratic chairwoman. if this happened at a campaign headquarters in your state, i would assume that there would be some curiosity or concern enough to at least have someone in the office call. >> look, it happened at 10:00 last night. our office isn't open yet. i haven't had any opportunity to take any steps forward. look, i am concerned. i am concerned not only for my safety and what has happened to me but for the safety of everyone involved. and so, you know, we certainly will make a call and assess, you know, and talk to them about what happened. but i would have assumed if something like that happened to

them, they would have called the party and said do you know anything about this, and we have never heard anything from them. >> let me play a little bit of what was revealed yesterday. >> sure. >> this threat that you received. i believe we have the audio of it. let's play that, please. >> hi roberta lange mplgt this is a citizen of the united states of america. i just wanted to let you know that i think people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world that we won't stand for this sort of corruption. you [ bleep ] stupid [ bleep ], what the hell are you doing? you need to step down from that position pause you are bad for america and bad for the democratic party. >> so these are anonymous, they were left on your voice mail. is it fair to expect senator sanders to have to apologize, acknowledge, take responsibility for individuals that there's no proof that he even knows or that are even really his supporters? >> absolutely it's his responsibility.

nina turner was talking about unity. two days before our convention they were talking about tearing us apart and then they go into the convention. look, you can talk all you want about the procedures. the fact of the matter is hillary clinton had more people in the room. they turned out 98% of their delegates for the state convention. bernie sanders had 1,000 eligible alternates. they turned out 500. they left almost 500 delegates on the table. that's why he lost. it had nothing to do with the procedures and what happened during the day. what happened is they were outorganized by the clinton campaign. >> when you look at what happened these past 48 hours especially, since the weekend, the question is in our first read political team put it that way, defiant sanders threatens democratic unity. is senator sanders threatening the unity of the democratic

party and again point out that you are the state democratic party chair. you are one of the leadership. he believes already siding with hillary clinton here. >> look, i am an unpledged delegate to the national convention. yeah, i absolutely think this threatens our unity. we should talk about what we are going to do together, whomever the nominee is we're going support that person, come together and for the third term in a row get a democrat in the white house. that's what we should be talking about. >> roberta lange, thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump is proposing a major shift in american foreign policy. trump says he is willing to talk with north korean dictator kim jong-un about the country's nuclear program. the new comments from donald trump next, and what those in his own party are saying about it. also ahead, the tsa is now sending dozens of additional screeners to chicago o'hare where hundreds of passengers missed their flights because of long security lines, but what

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welcome back. we have some breaking news to report right now. national intelligence director james clapper says there are indications that presidential campaigns may have been the subject to cyber attack. let's get more from justice correspondent pete williams. so this is to deal with the websites of these campaigns, pete. what can you tell us more about what he said? >> reporter: well, this is dog bites man, tamron. i don't think there's anything very surprising about this. it is true he said it. it's also true that this has been going on for the past eight years. campaign websites were subject to cyber attack in 2008 and in

2012. president obama has talked about what happened to his site, the mitt romney campaign has talked about their site four years ago. and today when asked about whether there's any indication that the intelligence community is seeing it this year, the director of the office of national intelligence said we've already had some indication of that. now that's all he said, he didn't say where the attacks were coming from and other officials that we've talked to say it's difficult to tell in some of these cyber attacks whether they are domestic, whether they are international, whether they are a mix. but, you know, given the fact that just about everything in life is subject to cyber attacks, it would be remarkable if something as prominent as presidential campaigns weren't subject to it and the odni director said sadly they're not immune. >> there you have it. peelt willia pete williams, thank you very much. presumptive republican nominee donald trump picked up a

big win in oregon. the big question is whether he can benefit from the growing discord within the democratic party. donald trump tweeted bernie sanders is being treated very badly by the democrats. the system is rigged against him. many of his disenfranchised fans are for me. trump is also raising eyebrows with new comments on foreign policy and north korean dictator kim jong-un. he was quoted as saying he has no problem speaking directly with the north korean leader to try to stop that country's nuclear program. that move would mark a sharp shift in diplomatic policy. no serving u.s. president has ever met with the north korean leader. joining me now, "washington post" opinion writer jennifer ruben, howard fineman. jennifer, you and i both know the reaction early on in the obama administration that he dare say that some within his office, not even talking

directly with iran himself or any of the -- that there could be talks of a nuclear deal and now we have the presumptive nominee not only saying that he would meet face-to-face with kim jong-un. >> it only ranks as about the tenth dumbest thing he's said on foreign policy because there have been so many others, including giving japan nuclear weapons and perhaps setting off a nuclear weapon in europe. so it's getting harder to get worked up about these things. it is a stupid thing to say, however. obviously that would be a huge publicity coup for the north korean dictator. >> do you think he doesn't know that that's not how it works? >> your guess is as good as mine. i think that's right. i think he does not understand how it works. this is not a man who has spent any time trying to associate himself with knowledgeable people, with people who have served in office. he spouts off these contradictory talking points,

that he's going to be a better ally. in the next breath he says he's going to pull back from nate oh it's all a jumble and all a mush. this is one of the key concerns that republicans have, before we even get to democrats, that republicans have about putting him in the commander in chief chair. if you're going to put someone who really doesn't know it's not okay to talk to the north korean dictator, how many other things does he not know and what's dangerous about that? >> howard, what's interesting and i want to play what mike murphy said last night on msnbc, i don't think i've heard anything this strong from a republican about donald trump in some time. let me play what mike said. listen close low. >> i think he is a stunning ignoramus on foreign policy issues and national security, and he said one stupid reckless thing after another and shown absolutely no temperament to learn the things he doesn't know, and he doesn't know just about everything. what he said recently about korea to reuters where he would go meet with the north korean dictator, which blows up decades

of bipartisan policy. pulling out of nato. the guy has a chimpanzee level of understanding of national security policy and i frankly think that the stakes in the presidential election are much higher than some local political race that ought to be a principled decision and i can't support him. >> a chimpanzee level understanding of national security policy. you know the rhetoric about iran and the obama administration. where is senator john mccain, some of these other people who may not use clever language like chimpanzee level of understanding but were harsh on president obama and the administration when it came to iran. >> the first thing i would say, mike murphy was running jeb bush's campaign. >> exact low. >> they spent $$100 million. why were they not able to make that case against donald trump in the primaries. the fact that donald trump has won the primaries with the chimpanzee rhetoric that mike murphy says that applies.

what's happening right now is that donald trump has the machinery of the republican party without any of the foreign policy establishment, without any of the experts. he's going to meet with henry kissinger. what is that really going to do? i would suggest to the people who are cyber attacking his website might want to tell us if they can find out what trump actually believes. but trump's whole theory is the three-card monte game in times square. move the cards around. can you run foreign policy that way? we've not run it in 50 years, i really doubt it. >> but not even digging deep into his policy, just the headline, going back again to the obama administration. obama willing to talk with iran and all of these memes of him bowing down to saudi arabia and being too flexible and too negotiable. this guy is now saying, the presumptive nominee of the republican party, that he, if this quote is accurate and we have to say that because that may change too, his campaign may

clarify that's not what he said, but on its face right now, that is exactly something the base of the party, forget the leadership, the base of the republican party would have had a field day if obama or clinton had said this just a few years ago. >> well, of course. but what's happening now is that donald trump is cowing and silencing most of the republican party establishment. i think he's going to continue to succeed in doing that. is it contradictory? absolutely, yes. are the republicans going to shut up about it? absolutely, yes, with the exception of mike murphy and a few others. >> jennifer, will the base take issue with this, who say the priority is the economy but were some of the same people who were sending their friends on social media these memes of president obama being willing to bow down and talk with our enemies and now a certified enemy of this country, of the world, their presumptive nominee is willing to talk to him. set aside the gop leadership.

the base who would have been at capitol hill today perhaps if obama or hillary clinton or bernie sanders had said the same thing. >> well, i think you're getting to the point which some mass hysteria has taken over much of the republican party, to my chagrin and the chagrin of many people. howard is right about one thing and it will be very interesting actually. the foreign policy community within the republican party is about the only group that has not fallen down at his feet and made peace with him. i think these people, both voters, both people who have served in government are extremely concerned, are extremely shocked, and i think that's why you continue to see a small but persistent third-party movement. and i think you're going to see a lot of republicans for the first time in their lives, yes, voting for hillary clinton because she is not insane. i don't know about the chimpanzee level but how about reckless, provocative, ignorant, and the rest of it.

listen, i have a lot of complaints about hillary clinton's foreign policy but i don't think she's going to start giving nuclear weapons to the koreans or pull out of nato. >> and this is why it's too soon to assume that this chaos in the democratic party will benefit donald trump, because when he sees an opening, this is what he does. he says i will meet with kim jong-un, which then closes some of the conversation that he could benefit. thank you both for your time. greatly appreciate you joining me. coming up, influential conservatives are meeting today with facebook founder mark zuckerberg amid claims that the site excluded conservative news from are its popular trending topics. up next, a look at who is in that meeting and what could come out of it. ... make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪ could protect you from diabetes? what if one sit-up could prevent heart disease?

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gizmodo where a former facebook employee claimed that news curators manipulated it to prevent stories with a conservative slant appearing on the site. congressman, thank you so much for your time. i'm sure you've been able to talk to some of the parties on both sides. what do you anticipate will happen here? >> i think facebook is doing exactly what it should do and that is it began with its own internal investigation looking into this former employee's allegations. it's also reached out to conservatives which has resulted in the meeting today. i think that's the approach they should take. they jumped on this very quickly. they use apparent low an algorithm what are the trending topics but they have journalists who decide what their viewers will be interested in.

it shouldn't be all that surprising a process and i think probably what facebook will do today is explain exactly how that process is intended to work, how it has worked and what its own internal investigation has found. >> there have been some on capitol hill who believe that there needs to be more adhering than even perhaps what was proposed. what do you believe? >> i think it's interesting that congress seems to think it has time to look into what facebook decides is a trending news topic but doesn't have time to confirm a supreme court justice, doesn't have time to deal with the zika crisis. this is not something i would put at the top of congress' must-do priority list. there's a lot of other things, including a budget we haven't even done. so it's an interesting political sideshow, i think, for the congress but not really something we should be focusing on time on. >> you're a ranking member on the house intelligence committee. one of the big headlines today is that donald trump in an interview with reuters is quoted as saying that he would be willing to meet with kim

jong-un. this is after calling the dictator a maniac some time ago. he seems to have shifted and believes that he's worthy to meet with the president of the united states. what is your reaction to that? >> well, it's great news, i'm sure, for the north korean dictator that all of the missile tests that he's been doing, the threats of additional nuclear tests is being rewarded by donald trump saying that he will without precondition meet with this despot. i think it's the wrong move and shows just what happens when your keen military advisers are the guys looking at you in the mirror every morning. it is now in combination with a variety of other statements that throw doubt on our relationship and leadership in nato, throw into question our relationship with strong allies like britain and embrace people like vladimir putin who has invaded his neighbors. a completely different direction for american policy. one that has both democrats and

republicans alarmed and puts him in a statehood category, i think, along with the likes of dennis rodman. >> california democratic representative adam schiff. thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate it. coming up, federal officials are urging airlines to cut checked bag fees this summer to help reduce these long security lines that have caused so many people now to miss flights. they're expecting the situation to get worse as we enter the summer travel season. what the airlines are proposing and the new reaction from tsa today. on the outside

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the travel nightmare continues for people trying to get through security in chicago today. the tsa is vowing to try and fix long lines at some of the nation's busiest airports. now, they are planning to hire more screeners they say and are sending a team of people to help tsa employees in chicago in hopes of keeping those lines moving, especially with predictions of record travel this summer. joining me now to talk about how

we got to this point, executive vice president of gephardt government affairs and former head of tsa security policy, tom blank. thank you for joining us. >> tamron, nice to be with you. >> for people who travel a lot, i think they saw this simmer that's now turned into a full boil as we get ready for the summer here, but how do you explain, tom, what's happened here? how do we get to this point where people by the hundreds stuck over the weekend in chicago and many of them missing flights? >> tsa can't seem to get its workforce right sized. over the years it's trended up to 60,000 full-time equivalent employees. now it's down to 42,000. congress reduced the agency's budget by $100 million. that was with their acquiescence because they thought that the precheck option would allow them to increase efficiencies and be able to operate with less people. that turns out not to be the case when we've got an increase of seven or more percent of

passenger loadings with the airlines. now tsa is caught quite shorthanded and at the same time when they're trying to retrain most of their workforce to adopt to more of a security rather than convenience culture. last summer the checkpoints were shown to be very, very porous. contraband and prohibited items were moving through freely when third parties were checking for the quality of the operations at the checkpoint. so you have a number of factors, but clearly i'm afraid none of the band-aids tsa is talking about are going to produce a long-term or immediate fix. >> so then it seems you've made the case for privatizing tsa and the security of our nation's airports with everything that you've named and this goldilocks way of looking at it. we have too many workers, we don't have enough workers and the porous situation regarding the safety. that makes the case for privatizing here. >> well, it's certainly an option that is available, and i think more and more very large

airports are beginning to look and evaluate that option to see whether it can bring increased efficiency, flexibility, improve both security and customer service with the latest being the three major new york airports operated by the port authority. so i think you're going to see more and more attention being paid to that option. >> the other concern i think people have now that you hear, there's an attempt to correct the curve here. how does this impact our security if there aren't enough people, if the tsa is losing, i believe the number is around 100 employees a week, and the fact that it's a challenge to retrain new people, does this compromise our security in this heavy travel season? >> well, it's something we need to remain vigilant about. one of the reasons that the lines are longer is because in the name of security, the tsa officers are taking a longer look at people, are taking a longer look at the x-ray images, looking for prohibited items.

so as the culture changes more towards one where security is the priority, that is a contributing factor to the lines being longer and slower. >> so for those who believe or who'd like to believe that somehow there will be a solution this summer or things will ease up, what do you say toj that? >> well, i'm saying we can always hope, but you can't manufacture 5,000 to 6,000 new tsos, officers overnight. you can't privatize and make that kind of a transition overnight. you can't greatly expand the precheck option on an expedited basis. these are kinds of the things that need to be evaluated and these are things that are going to need to happen over time. >> tsa security policy, former head of tsa security policy, tom blank. thanks so much for your time. >> thanks. nice to be with you. the senate confirms an openly gay man to be the next army secretary.

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maintaining its status quo structure. >> no regrets. donald trump makes up with megyn telly, sort of. >> well, there was a re-tweet. yeah, did i say that? >> many times. >> ooh. okay. excuse me. >> and history lesson, the presumptive nominee makes a pilgrimage to see henry kissinger a day after trump broke with u.s. policy and said, sure, a president trump would sit down with north korea's kim jong-un. >> i would speak to him. i would have no problem speaking to him. at the same time i would put a lot of pressure on china. we have a lot of power over china. people don't realize that. and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. donald trump publicly snubbed by the last two republican presidents is courting some of the most prominent public policy advisers. today huddling with former