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democrat today. >> that might be true. >> amnesty alone he wouldn't last a day in the republican party. >> he would get run out. >> absolutely. >> great pleasure to have you here. come by any time you're in the neighborhood. >> let's mix it up. come on. >> that is all in for this evening. >> good evening. that was awesome. that was fun. i loved that. thanks for joining us this hour. this is it the governor of california. his name is jerry brown. 40 years ago the governor of california was also a man named jerry brown. not a different guy awkwardly with the same name, not the son or the grandson of jerry brown or something, it was the same guy. jerry brown did take some time off to do other things between his two desperate stints as california governor but it is the same man who is governor now at age 78 who was also governor
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in 1976. jerry brown was actually the first governor elected in california after ronald reagan was the governor of california. but not long after he was elected back then, that young jerry brown all of 37 years old, when he was just over a year into what would be the first of his four terms as california governor, 40 years ago today on this date, may 18th, 1976, jerry brown won his first state in the democratic party's presidential primary, 40 years ago. in 1976 the democratic presidential primary was wild. you know how 17 republicans ran for the republican nomination for praesident this year? in 1976 it was 17 democrats who ran for the democratic nomination that year. 17 people in the democratic primary. georgia governor jimmy carter
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ran the best campaign that year and he ended up winning the nomination, but it was not clear until the very end of that primary process that carter was going to end up being the nominee and the party was very unsettled about the prospect of him being the nominee. he was basically a complete unknown at the start of that campaign. a lot of people were uncomfortable with him as the potential nominee and that's why at even this late point in the calendar even at this late date in the process in 1976 new people were still getting into the race and winning primaries for the first time. on may 11th of that year a senator named frank church won his first primary in nebraska and may 18th 40 years ago jerry brown got his name on the board and won his first primary in maryland. imagine if people were just now getting into the presidential race this year. if they were just joining the presidential race now and
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winning their first primaries now at this point in the race it would be kinds of nuts, right? that was also nuts in 1976. it's not like the calendar was wildly different back then. the election was still held in november just like it will be this year. the democratic convention this year was held in mid july just like it will be this year. the calendar was basically the same but even still this far into the race in mid may new candidates were getting in and they were winning when they did so. when we look back now at 1976, we rolook back at that presidential race ten cycles ago 40 years ago we don't necessarily remember that democratic party drama that year. i think historically the democratic party drama that year has been overshadowed by what happened that year. ronald reagan tried to deny gerald ford with the republican
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nomination with a big floor fight message the delegates. we remember that especially for what ended up becoming of ronald reagan but for all the great news reels on the republican side in 1976 it's easy to forget the democrats had their own near crisis that year including this bizarre late breaking anybody but carter movement that tried to head off jimmy carter's nomination in 1976 by throwing new candidates into the race well into the spring, almost into the summer. at this point in the calendar people were still getting in to try to get carter off the top for the democrats. that's kind of nuts, right? in the end the anyone but carter movement fizzled out. it didn't achieve its aims. jimmy carter prevailed over the other 16 democrats who were in the race that year. jimmy carter got the nomination and he beat gerald ford to win the presidency. jerry brown got to go back to
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california and the 30 something boyish governor of california and then later he would be governor all over again even when he was old. it all worked out for everybody. that is a reminder that primaries do get nuts. they get complicated, even the ones we have forgotten about and we have to look up in order to remember whether or not they were nuts, even the ones we have forgotten about, they're pretty nuts when you go back and look at them closely. right now on the republican side of the presidential race this year we have sort of just now stopped talking about the 2016 republican presidential primary as being somehow the nuttiest, the craziest republican primary ever. the republican primary is basically settled now. all this talk of the republicans having their first contested convention since 1976 that talk is over. today even the effort by some
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republican dead enders to try to find a third-party or independent challenger to donald trump today even that seems to have fallen apart. mitt romney who was the republican party's nominee in 2012 he had personally taken it upon himself to recruit candidates to try to run independently against donald trump this year. today it was reported that even that effort by mitt romney is over. it's done. like this headline, romney no longer searching for anti-trump candidate. on the democratic side of the presidential race today's news was not really dominated by last night's primary results, which you might think in a more normal primary. i think the oregon and kentucky results didn't dominate today's news mostly because those results don't change anything.
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last night bernie sanders and hillary clinton win in kentucky they are interesting for a lot of their own reasons but they don't do much to alter the state of that democratic race. heading into last night's contest the associated press and nbc's delegate count in the democratic race heading into last night had hillary clinton 94% of the way there to securing the delegates she needs to get the nomination. after last night's contest, she is no longer 94% of the way there, she is now 96% of the way there. so before you couldn't reasonably round up to 100, but now you could. is that the big change? the primary process itself on the democratic side doesn't feel much like a burning question anymore. the burning question on the democratic side now is not the numberical results at the end of the primary, the burning question on the democratic side now is whether the tension in the party right now is going to
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be too much more the democratic party to bear. whether this fight within the party is going to be too much for the democrats to survive. i think there are two things to consider when trying to come up with an answer to that burning open question in the democratic party and the first one is about the exact nature of the tension in the democratic party right now and how it's being expressed. the reason the tension this weekend the reason that has become a national story and worry for the democratic party is not just because of the drama of the fight in that one state, although it's an interesting fight in that state particularly given that nevada is a swing state, that's not why people are so worried about it nationwide. the reason people are worried about it nationwide is because democrats fear that that nevada fight, including the physical aspect of that altercation in
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that convention hall, democrats fear that's not just a weird thing that happened in nevada, but it may be a foreshadowing of what democrats should expect at the national convention this summer in philadelphia. the reporter who covers the sanders campaign in "the new york times" she reported on that possess spectac prospect today from the democrats perspective. the party's convention in philadelphia in july with p prote protesters that supporters have been treated unfairly. in e-mails on social media and on web sites sanders supporters have traded advice about protest tactics and legal services in case of mass arrests. sanders supporters remain defiant raising the possibility of unrest on the streets outside
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the philadelphia convention. one of the under appreciated things about bernie sanders run for president this year is that he really hasn't run as a protest candidate or a message candidate. you want to know who run as a message candidate this year, lawrence lessig. that was a message campaign. on the other side arguably lindsey graham admitted he had no chance of winning, no real intentions of winning, but he hoped that by participating in the process he could change the message, he could bring the focus of the campaign back to the issue of national security, which he thought were the most important issues for his party and the thing on which he wanted the party to focus as it was picking a new president. those are message campaigns. that's not what bernie sanders has been doing this year. bernie sanders has been running a campaign this year not to get
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some point across, but to win the democratic party's nomination for president. he's trying to win. back to 2014 and 2015 when sanders was talking about running before he ever got in he made it clear from that beginning from before the beginning that his intention was to get in and try to win the nomination full stop. there's no use in running if you're not going to try to win. from bernie sanders mind and bernie sanders strategic thinking about this race, there was no point in running a protest campaign. no point in running an asterisk campaign. the only reason to run was to win it. it's a little bit of a leap to imagine his campaign now being converted into a protest movement, to denounce the democratic party or to dramaize its flaws with arrests in the streets. if the sanders campaign does
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turn into that kind of protest movement, it's not like we haven't seen that kind of thing before. that would not be a shock to the system. the democrats will hold their convention this summer in philadelphia. you may remember the last national political convention was held in philadelphia was in the year 2000. you may remember nearly 400 people were arrested at really big protests in the streets of philadelphia that year. four years later at the republican convention in new york city, it was like 2,000 people that got arrested protesting in the streets, just massive uprising against that political convention. four years after that the ron paul movement within the republican party convened 10,000 people for an entire shadow convention run in parallel with the republican party's convention. the republican party convention was in st. paul. the ron paul parallel shadow convention was across the mississippi river in
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minneapolis. 10,000 people not just demonstrating their differences with the republican party, but basically declaring themselves an offshoot of the party, one that could probably never be reconciled with the decisions of the party establishment that they disagreed with so strongly. street protests, breakaway movements, demonstrations of different kinds, they are the american way. they are occasionally interesting and occasionally violent. they are sometimes fun, but they happen. they're almost part of the process now. we expect them. in the news media we cover them. in politics they get covered and noticed and they sometimes get in the way and then we move on. incidentally if you go back today to look at the website that the protest organizers used in 2000 and the organizing
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website for philadelphia 2000, the website was r2kphilly.org. that website still exists. headline, make him desire you. love can often be an overwhelming issue to the people associated with it. and it goes on. it's kind of amazing, right? it's a snapshot of my life. this website that coordinated this fierce and super aggressive protest at the last philadelphia political convention now it's this creepy romance thing that i think possibly infected my computer with something gross today. the headlines today and the worries -- look at these headlines. passion of bernie sanders and supporters turns against democrats. democratic party leaders, bernie
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sanders spar over nevada convention chaos. bernie sanders and the dnc are fighting again. bernie sanders is defiant. look at the headlines today. the worries in the democratic party today are big and they are focussed. they are worried that bernie sanders is going to turn his political campaign for the nomination into instead a protest movement that will protest against the democratic party and specifically against its convention this summer and specifically convention its nominee hillary clinton. my personal take on that as a long time keen bernie sanders overer is that it seems unlikely that will happen given that senator sanders has never been a protest candidate himself and has never signalled any interest in running a protest movement. that said if that is what happens to his campaign, it's not like that will be a variable in american politics. we know how that works. protest movements happen, they happen all the time.
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that's one thing to keep in mind, the character of the democratic race right now. the other thing to keep in mind about the democratic anxiety today concerning bernie sanders and hillary clinton is that at this point in the primary process it's always like this. there is always upset between remaining candidates at this part of the race. parties do this. it is to be expected. it's very, very rarely fatal. vice president joe bidden was in ohio to talk about obama administration economic policy. we're going to talk more about that later this hour but when he was asked today in ohio about these big democratic worries about the situation between bernie sanders and hillary clinton right now, this was his response. >> what about bernie sanders and his supporters, are you at all concerned? >> no, i'm not. bernie sanders is a good guy. bernie sanders is -- look, i think -- let bernie run the
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race. there's nothing wrong. >> did he adequately condemn his supporters. >> that's not bernie. bernie is going to have to do if that happens again is he's going to have to be more aggressive in speaking out about it, but look, this is -- here we are in may. as you pointed out barack was -- hillary was still in this in may, in june and it's -- i'm confident that bernie will be supportive if hillary wins which the numbers indicate will happen. and so i'm not -- i'm not worried. there's no fundamental split or anything in the democratic party. >> that's vice president joe bidden in ohio saying there's no fundamental split in the democratic party. he said the numbers indicate that hillary clinton will win
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the democratic nomination. he said when that happens i'm confident bernie will be supportive. so there's a lot going on right now. this upset over what happened at the nevada democratic convention this weekend and all the ugliness that followed particularly from sanders supporters toward the democratic party leadership out there, that upset is real. that's not yet healed. today the sanders campaign also made a big deal of accepting a debate investigatiitation. there's no indication from the clinton campaign whether they intend to debate in california before that primary. there's no reason why if there is a debate that debate should be going to fox news. why would it be fox news? that drama is ongoing. in oregon last night if you need something else, consider this. the democratic party turnout once again fell short of the numbers that the democrats
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turned out in oregon in 2008. once again on the other side of the aisle the republican turnout numbers in oregon were the highest they've ever been even though donald trump is the last remaining republican in that race. the republicans broke their turnout record and the democrats did not and a lot of people say those turnout numbers in the primaries don't mean anything in general election but looking at the turn out in the primaries so far and the democrats short of the records in the primaries, if you had a choice to be in the party in that scenario, wouldn't you rather be the republicans. there's a lot going on right now. pick your poison. the democrat party have a lot of real fish to frye right now. they have real things to work on. they have disputes to settle. this idea that the
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sanders/clinton split would be fatal or a movement would be catastrophic if one emerges we know from history that's what it feels like at this point in the process. the tension is real, the differences are real, the anxiety over it is real in the democratic party and on the center left. but you know what, it's kind of what primaries are for. it's why they take this long. that's how it's supposed to feel at this point in the process. this isn't a bug in the system this year. this is just the system. [engine revving] [engine revving] [phone buzzing] ♪ some things are simply impossible to ignore. the strikingly designed lexus nx turbo and hybrid. the suv that dares to go beyond utility.
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>> look at all those people. that is springfield, illinois today. just an enormous crowd there, an enormous rally at the state capital. when they're talking about who is not going to turn them around, what they're saying is the governor. illinois is a blue state but they have a republican governor now. he's been trying to strip union rights in the state and today i think much to a lot of people's surprise 10,000 people turned out at the state capital today to rally against that, to rally against him and in favor of union rights. i know we're all obsessed with national level politics right now and for good reason, but keep an eye on this thing in illinois. looking at those images today it's starting to look like wisconsin there from a few years back. big time rumbles against republican governors in the
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trump campaign says they plan to keep everybody guessing until the last second. that will also mean they get to keep all vice presidential prospects bowing and scraping to them until the last possible minute until the convention. on the democratic side no such promises. the likely if not presumptive democratic nominee is hillary clinton. her campaign says that they have started the vetting process for running mates. one of the names that keeps popping up is senator tim cain. he was the former governor of the great state of virginia and head of the dnc which is a position he took at the request of president obama when president obama became president obama. in 2008 the senator was vetted to be a possible vp running mate for president obama. he was one of three finalizfina. in 2012 he was elected to the united states senate. he has taken point and been
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discussed on this show many times because he has taken a point on some of the biggest constitutional concerns of the whole obama era. today for example the house of representatives finally debated whether or not congress should vote to authorize the u.s. war against isis in iraq and syria which we have been fighting with thousands of troops but no congressional authorization. that was congresswoman's barbara lee's bill that they are voting on tonight. in the senate the champion of that idea that congress has to weigh in and authorize these wars the champion of that idea in the senate has been the senator tim cain. and he used this week's anniversary of brown versus the board of education he used that anniversary this week in the senate to rail about the senate refusing to fill the vacant seat on the united states supreme
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court. >> the brown case was originally argued in 1952 and the court was divided, so divided that they ask that the case be reargued in 1953. then to make matters worse one of the chief justices died before the argument. by many accounts his death left the court evenly divided over an issue of the most fundamental importance. the president nominated the former california governor to fill the vacancy. the senate did its job, held a prompt hearing and confirmed the appointment. and chief justice warren used his skill to cut through the division and convince his colleagues that the court should speak unanimously and say a child's skin color should not determine which school he or she should attend. because the senate did its job
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the court was able to do its job and all of america was lifted. i've listened to my colleagues and virginia citizens about the vacancy for three months. i think the senate is treading on dangerous ground here. the position we would refuse to consider judge garland is contrary to the notion of justice itself. >> joining me now is the senator from virginia. so you int mated that the senate may not be proceeding withholding hearings on his nomination because of a fundamental disrespect for president obama and deledge mightsing him as president. >> i think that's a serious concern. the rational the republicans want to use is we want to wait until the next president and let the people decide is what we call in civil rights a complete
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pretext. that's not the way it's been done in the past. the constitution doesn't take away a president's or senate's powers in the final year of a presidential term so they're doing something with this president that they've never done with the 43 presidents that preceded him. my church and my neighbors and friends in virginia, they look at it either it's going to be an attack on the nominee but we know that's not the case because they announced the block aide before he was nominated, an attack on the legitimacy of the president or the court. there's a lot of concern that this president's nominee has been given second class treatment not because of the nominee but because of the character of the president himself and that is very painful for people to contemplate about the nation's first african-american president, that they wouldn't pay him the respect of having a hearing and having a vote on a nominee in the way they've done with other presidents. this is a very, very painful perception that's being left by the actions of the senate
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especially in the case of a supreme court nomination where the court says equal justice over law engraved in stone over the entry itself. >> i was going to ask is raising the issue of this being the first african-american president do you think that is the through line that explains the way republicans and the conservative movement have treated president obama, do you think fundamentally it is about race, that there's a racial element to the resistance to him that people should be more explicit in discussing. >> there is an attack on his legitimacy that i think is different than what's come before. you can attack him on his policies. i have argued with the president over this unauthorized right but they met to decide that their suck es was going to be trying to stop him from being
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reelected. you've seen people question if he was born in the united states and question his faith. as you pointed out the president sent up a budget this year and neither budget committee in either house and i'm on the senate budget committee would have a hearing to discuss the president's submitted budget which has never happened since the budget control act was passed and now they're treating his supreme court nominee in a manner different than they've treated any other presidents before. this is a deep concern of a lot of people. there is another explanation. it's an attack on the court itself. just like fdr didn't like what the court was doing so he tried to take a nine member court and expand it statutely you can look at what the republicans are doing here they are trying to maintain a vacancy at eight
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rather than nine to shrink the court and weaken it for a year to get what they want. i think it's one of those two explaini explanations. either it's an attack on the president or the court. >> what did you think when the republican presidential candidate donald trump released a list today of 11 possible supreme court picks of his own? i wonder what you think of who is on the list or about the fact that he has released this list? >> i think i'm glad he's released it because i think what we're going to be able to do in this presidential campaign and secretary clinton i'm confident will be the nominee will be able to talk about the cases that the court has before us cases dealing with access to health care for women, immigration rights, the president's proposal to deal with climate change, collective bargaining, the civil rights voting rights cases are before the court. in presidential campaigns the court is kind of theoretical who
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might you appoint in the future, but right now we have a vacancy. the court has deadlocked three or four times and we're going to get a chance to talk about what a hillary clinton appointee would do and what these 11 individuals would do. i haven't researched them enough to know how to predict that but i have a feeling based on everything i've heard from candidate trump about the way he would approach the court that we're going to see differences that will really matter to the american public. >> i have to ask you a question that i know you are going to dodge, but i have to ask anyway. a lot of people -- >> thanks for telegraphing the pitch. >> if hillary clinton asks you to be her running mate would you say yes. >> you know, i really love my job right now and i only have one job for the clinton campaign and that is just to be on the trail and help them win and my best work is in virginia because if she wins virginia and i'm
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going do everything i can to help her win virginia i think she's going to be president and that's what i'm going to do. >> so you wouldn't say no but you won't answer whether you would say yes. >> speculation is fine but don't believe the hype. i got speculated about in '08 and never felt it was that real and my gut tells me the same thing this time but i'm going to do everything i can to make sure she's the next president of the united states. >> i appreciate you telling us that much about it. thank you, sir. >> thank you so much. we've got an update for you. i just mentioned that the house was voting tonight on the authorization to use military force, the question of whether or not congress should actually authorize this war that's happening in iraq and syria against isis. part of that debate tonight on the house side was barbara lee's proposal that the 2001 authorization to use military force which the administration has been relying on to fight this war, that that should be repealed so then the congress
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manager went so far as to say the democratic party chair is a committed opponent of senator sanders for some kind of unstated personal reason. he did not explain what that personal reason might be or elaborate on it but he said it must be personal. alongside those two very active fights though, trying to win the primary and battling it out with the party, alongside those two fights there is that question what happens to all that energy, all that passion and all those supporters once these fights he's in right now are over. if he's not president, is there a movement beyond the bernie sanders campaign? now i asked senator sanders about this directly when i interviewed him recently at his house in vermont. there is only a very small club of people who have turned insurgent presidential candidacy into ongoing movements that had an ongoing effort.
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president obama tried and it debate happen. the best example i know of is pat robertson who turned his campaign into the christian coalition which had a dramatic effect on the party and they're reasoning the benefit in the states right now. >> yes. >> do you have that kind -- whether or not you win the nomination do you have that kind of organizing model in mind? >> obviously it would be a lot easier if i were elected president. a president can galvanize the person people against the economic injustices and racial injustices that are currently existing in america. that's what i would love to do. if i do not get elected president, are we going to continue the movement and work with our allies? absolutely we will. >> senator sanders telling me earlier this month that he envisions his movement continuing even if he doesn't win the democratic nomination and the presidency but he went on to say he was sort of still at this point unsure what that might look like. it's not something he's building right away.
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if the sanders moochvement is gg to be more than a protest movement against the democratic party and a protest movement at the democratic convention this summer, if it's going to change the course of politics instead of railing against the course of politics, how might that happen? here's one way it could happen and it's something that has come up with something that was brought up by a group of sanders volunteers, something that a group of sanders volunteers and former staffers are pursuing as a post-2016 plan. it's a totally unique plan and i think it's fascinating. they're plan is to use some of the methods developed during the presidential campaign to instead try to elect a better congress, to elect a more progressive house and senate, not necessarily this year but in the first mid-term election of the new president's term. in 2018, they want to elect a
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brand new progressive congress in that election and to do it they want to elect this whole new congress all at once. they want to essentially run a presidential style campaign where there are 400 people running all the same campaign. they want to run a presidential campaign where the candidate has 400 heads. there will be a progressive candidate in every house race in the country and in every senate race but it will all be one centralized presidential style campaign. that's the innovation. it's not just that they want to work on democratic or progressive gains in a mid term election, they want to run a presidential campaign with a 400 headed candidate. it sounds a little funny, but it's also the kind of outside the box thinking which you hope is sort of constructive thing that comes out of these strange and unpredictable and long primaries. is it a theory that could reasonably be put into practice. is this the constructive outcome of this very tough democratic
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a president can galvanize the american people against the economic against the economic injustices, racial injustices that are currently existing in america. that's what i would love to do. now if i do not get elected president, are we going to continue the movement and work with our allies? absolutely. >> bernie sanders told me he is not working on a post-campaign movement. joining us now is the former director of organizing technology for the sanders campaign and the co-founder of something called" brand new congress." thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> so first of all, i think i understand what your idea is. i just explained this idea of sort of running a presidential candidate with 400 heads. is that fair? >> that's a great description of it. yeah. our idea is to run a single
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unified presidential style campaign that looks a lot like the bernie sanders campaign and use that model of a single web site for fund-raising, a single -- like a giant national movement on volunteers contacting millions of voters and really think that the trick year is, like, i think the only way that model works is if you have a big goal that's focused on and that's why, you know, we think this is not only a way to galvanize that movement but to get voters and carrying the midterm election because we'll be giving them an option where their vote will count. >> a singular focus whether than disparate -- everybody's interesting being dissipated. so that makes total sense in a sci-fi movie in which you can clone one candidate who's your ideal candidate, probably an old guy with white hair and glasses. >> well. >> and you can run him 400 times. but with 400 different people, how do you run them on the same platform, how do you run the same campaign for all of them? >> we're trying to find people who aren't career politicians.
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part of the advantage of having a unified campaign where the campaign infrastructure and fund raising is an aside from the candidates is we can get working people to run without them having to focus on fund-raising and do a lot of stuff. they can go around talking and campaigning. >> they can plug into a national campaign. >> so i think the harder part will be getting the best people -- convincing them to run. the people we're looking for are, like leaders of the community. the people who are very respected and who probably don't want to run for congress because they think of that as something that's going to debate them or is -- you know, for people who have a lot of integrity it's not something they want to do. so that will be the hard part is convincing people to run. i think we can do it if we get enough people on board. it's going to be a bootstrapping process. >> what do they have to sign on to in order to basically qualify to be part of this movement? what's the plan or the checklist or the litmus test they need to pass in order to do this? >> so it's -- the litmus test is going to be something where we're looking for people who are
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good at what they do, they're honest people, people can vouch for them. there's going to be a vetting process and a selection process based on people in their community and in their district and then there's -- the plan they'll sign on to is something that looks largely like bernie's plan but focusing on issues that kind of are bipartisan now. income inequality, climate change is becoming a bipartisan issue, a lot of people do actually believe in climate change and believe it's human caused and massive incarceration and the big one is really trying to get rid of the influence of money and politics. this is both on the republican side and the democratic side. people are kind of disillusioned with the party system right now and they're disillusioned with congress. congress has a 16% approval rating and there's this thing on john oliver you probably saw, 20% 30,% of the time congress people are spending their time fund-raisi fund-raising. so we're doing it the way we
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raise money through small contributions and are accountable to the voters once theyer in the office, that's -- i think that's going to be a better system. >> running a faceless 400-headed hoard that has signed on to the issues of money and politics, climate and incassius ration in the 2018 midterms. this is a remarkably constructive idea. i think it's an interesting thing to be focusing on when everybody is focused on the fight between sanders and clinton. it's also brand freaking new and nobody ever comes up with anything in politics. thanks, good to meet you. keep us in touch. we'll be right back. stay with us. ♪ (stranger) good mornin'! ♪ (store p.a.) attention shoppers, there's a lost couple in the men's department.
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bridgegate case out of new jersey. and, of course, the prospect that new jersey governor chris christie or other senior people in his administration might be named as an unindicted co-conspirator on that list. that's a perspective issue for the donald trump campaign because chris christie is taking an increasingly operational role in the campaign, planning the trump transition, being affirmed as having on the vice presidential short list. we know the day before the california primary there will be organize arguments in the bridgegate cases about whether or not they'll release the list of unindicted co-conspirators. the nice sidebar personnel issue of all of this is that donald trump's sister is one of the judges on that circuit that's going to hear those arguments. we found out today she herself will not be one of the judges who will listen to those arguments but she is on that court. just in case you had any worries the world was getting to be too big to paint. don't worry about it, it's the size of a small shed in the dark, it seems bigger than
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