"lockup: raw." >> they're found behind the walls of every prison and jail we visit. >> no one would look at me and guess i have an addiction to heroin. >> faces of young first time inmates who look as though they

should be sitting in classrooms rather than surrounded by men and women hardened by the experiences that brought them here. >> most of the people here would die in the yard. i would watch them. i don't care about them. >> i try to be hopeful and maybe i won't be spending the rest of my life in here. >> while lockup production teams consist of seasoned veterans the world over. >> it's a "lockup" show. msnbc. >> we love "lockup." >> you got to get out of here to watch it. >> we too have our first timers. the young men and women who serve as production assistants take notes, carry gear and make sure the rest of the crew has enough snacks and water to get through long days. >> it's all made and beautiful there. >> for most, the job provides them with their first experience behind the walls. >> anybody who does not want to be on camera can you raise your head. >> kevin got his start in grand rapids, michigan.

>> first time i remember thinking this is real. we were in jail. we were doing an interview in one of the seg units and there was call for suicide. we rushed to see what has happening. i had seen the noose. >> this is what we pulled from his cell. >> it just blew me away that i was encountering it. here i am in the field seeing it happen in front of me that somebody was feeling that low that a bed sheet is what their solution was pretty much. >> at fairfax county jail in virginia we met another young man who would have his own experience with the dangers of incarceration. >> we just finished doing a check in with an inmate and walking down the hallway and private viola started really chewing out an inmate in one of the units. we came late to it and caught tend. viola was upset because an inmate was doing pull ups on the

shower curtain rod which was a no no. >> get your inmate handbook out and read that. keep you occupied. maybe you'll learn something. obviously, you don't know how to follow the rules. what cell are you in? >> d. >> he's a 21-year-old guy but would have passed for 15 or 16. immediately we knew this was a fish out of water story that we had to cover. >> i'm not really a criminal. that's why i don't belong here. i'm more like a kid who is lot smarter than the stupid decision he makes. i'm grateful i'm here. i'm learning. >> does it scare you being here? >> no. no. >> john carlo has been arrested on charge for grand larceny for stealing a car. he entered a plea of not guilty but admitted to us that he committed the crime and it came with plenty of rookie mistakes.

>> i was homeless by choice. i got into an altercation with my mother. i ended up leaving. i couldn't find place to stay. i was walking around a neighborhood when i saw a car. the guy left it running for a good 20 minutes. enough time for my mind to tell me to hijack it. i was using it as a shelter. i ran into one of my buddies from florida. he's like let's go to the bar. we parked it somewhere where it got towed. it was the police station number. he ended up like ratting me out by accident. the cops were about to arrest him and he was so innocent i had to spill the beans and now i'm here. that's my first felony. i think i'm going to be able to get away.

i have faith. >> what makes you have faith? >> i don't think i belong here. i didn't hurt anybody. i didn't damage the vehicle. i put gas in it. >> despite feeling like he didn't belong here, he said he didn't have much to complain about. >> this jail is pretty nice. it's not like the movies or alcatrez. you still don't want to be here. you're not -- there's not like bullies going around, taking your lunch or a guy making a shank out of a pen. there's nothing like that. >> coming up, john carlo runs into a bully who wants his lunch. >> you owe me is sandwich and the cookies. >> i don't want to be deemed as weak. the other part really doesn't care. i do need to eat. >> first. >> how many guys have a family member in prison?

>> the staggering effects of growing up with incarcerated parents.

i don't like to talk about it. most people don't understand. >> in 2013, sesame street introduced a new muppet character named alex. his father is doing time in jail. that has become the reality for more children in america than ever before. >> i love you. >> according to the pugh research center there's about 2.7 million children with parent in prison or about 1 in 28 kids. 25 years earlier it was only 1 in 125. >> you like that? >> during our extended day shoot in california's prison we saw the statistics come to life. >> anybody got stabbed up? that's what happens in prison.

>> it was during a program in which inmates and corrections officers visit local schools to steer youngsters away from crime. >> how many have a family member, parent, cousin, aunt or uncle in prison now? raise your hand. >> i was really surprised when all those hands went up. i shouldn't have been so surprised because we've kind of dealt with that throughout the years of filming "lockup." it just seemed shocking and very sad to me. >> my dad's been in and out of prison since i was like born. he's been all alone and going back and forth to my grandmas and mom's. >> jonathan was a sad little soul. he seemed like such an innocent. when he sat down to interview him he was very quiet but very compelling in his story of having grown up in a home where his father was pretty much in prison the whole time. >> if you could talk to your dad right now, what would you like to tell your dad? >> i would tell him stop being in gangs and doing drugs, and

come home to my mom and do right things, do positive stuff. >> how about come home to you? >> yeah, that's what i meant. >> do you miss your father? >> yeah. i never really got to sit down and talk to him but i miss him. i would like to know more about him. like what he likes to do. i don't want to grow up to be like him. >> you couldn't help but wonder what's going to happen to jonathan. i was hoping he wouldn't follow in his father's footsteps. >> sadly, seven years after our interview we read of his arrest to robbing a convenient store. he pled no contest to taking property. due to a criminal record as a juvenile his three years sentence was increased to six. when we shot our extended stay series in oklahoma, we encounter

a different version of a son following if his father's footsteps. during our coverage of our entirely different story we happen to record one inmate's intriguing comment. >> my first cell partner was my father. >> one of the inmates started talking about how his father was his first cell mate in prison. i was really struck by that. >> i talked to my dad about it. it hurts to father see his son follow in his footsteps. >> the inmate was david which i would childers. his father served forforcible sodomy and rape. david was sentenced to 22 years for armed robbery an larceny. their sentences overlapped and they served time together in a number of different oklahoma state prisons.

>> i haven't seen him in a few weeks. been anxious to see him. see how he's doing. >> david had been out of prison for several years, but now is back in jail awaiting trial on new charges. the exact same ones for which his father went to prison, sodomy and rape. >> what did they say at the cancer center? mom come up here and told me they did some more tests. >> we were present when david childers who was undergoing treatment for cancer came to visit his son. >> my mri was negative. my cat scan did show something. it's always hard to visit him in jail. i've done everything i can to keep him out but he's hard head. i've done time. that wasn't a lifestyle. that was a journey into self-destruction. >> how did you feel when i walked in on the yard? >> i felt [ bleep ]. it was on one of the toughest yards in the system. people got killed there, and here comes my son.

something else to worry about. a lot of people get along well if they have their family on the yard. if you're an old-timer and do a long time, if they bring the son in there's something they can use against you as weakness. they're always looking for weakness to prey on you. here comes this one. now not only do you have to be concerned about what you're doing make sure you're doing everything right, now you have to worry about him doing everything right. one time was enough for me. this is your third? >> yeah. >> i think you're trying to make a career out of it. >> i'm not trying to make a career out of it. >> you're so intelligent that you're stupid. i've been telling you that for years. you don't see everything that's going on around you. >> i think what it was is when i got out, i was still thinking

like i was inside. >> you forgot which side of the fence you was on. >> i was thinking like i was on the inside. >> they don't play by our inside rules. >> a lot of stuff didn't make sense. when you're my age and start asking questions about how do you do this or that, you feel like an idiot. >> i don't know. >> after all them years in prison, what do you expect? >> i expected you to act like me. you need to understand that when you come back out. just remember those fences. they not only keep you in in your physical body but they keep you in your mental body. you forget which side that fence you're on, you're a dead man. >> dad i love you. >> you know i love you. i'm going to kick your [ bleep ] again. >> when do you think you're

coming back up here? >> when ever you want me up here. >> being you're off chemo you're probably get stronger. >> my skin is giving away. my liver is about gone. >> i love you. >> what the cancer didn't get, the chemo did. >> i love you. tell mom i love her. >> she knows that. >> his dad knew he was terminal. i could feel the sadness even if he was going to leave the planet, his son was going to walk down that same dark path that he had gone. >> i love you dad. >> love you too son. he needs to figure out where his life is heading. life ain't going to wait on you. it's like my grandfather told me, if you don't learn the lessons in life, you're doomed to repeat them until you do. >> what i've always been struck by with parents in these

situations, they have obviously gone down a bad path. then they're always so surprised when their kids follow them on that path. they think somehow by talking to the kid, don't do as i did. just do as i say that somehow that's going to change their children's life. rarely does it. we are constantly interviewing people who have parents who've already been in the system. >> six months later, gary childers passed away and eventually, david childers was convicted on several charges including rape, battery and sodomy. just like his father, he received a 20-year state prison sentence. coming up. >> i've been doing real good in school. my grades are really high. >> the jail in san antonio attempts to break the cycle of children repeating the mistakes of the parents. later, a new york jail makes an

impression on another group of kids, but they're not the kind you expect.

at the bexar county jail in san antonio, texas, kathy is more than familiar with the accommodations. >> this is my temporary home for now. it's where i live at the moment. i kind of keep my -- this is kind of like my little strain here. it makes me feel free. when i'm here i sit here and kind of looking out here, i look at this. >> when we met her, she was serving 59 days for theft but had also done time on prior convictions including burglary and evading police. she said that time she was pulled over when a friend in her car told her he had warrant out for his arrest. >> i see the cop gets out and start coming this way. i put the car in drive and i took off. we went on a high speed chase for about 10, 12 miles. i hit another car head on.

this time i knew i was screwed. i was on parole. i had just come out. i was on a high speed chase with the cops. i knew i was going back. i went head on with another vehicle. i remember the air bag popping out. i remember snapping out of it and looking over at him. he's trying to get his seat belt off. i said run. i jumped out and started to run one way and he was running the other way. of course the cop was going to chase me because i was the driver. they chased me for about two blocks. he jumped out of his vehicle and tackled me down. >> she was not alone in jail. a few floors down in one of men's units was her 19-year-old son. he was incarcerated on a separate charge and declined to speak with us. she acknowledges she was not a good role model. >> he got in trouble on aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in a road rage shooting.

this goes back to me. i would carry my guns. they would see that. my 19-year-old picked up on it. i'll never forget he was talking to his friends. he was like 12. something he had seen me do one day. he said you should seen my mom. she pulled this chick out of car and started beating her up. he said it was like it was so cool. it's like did i really do that? those were a lot of eye openers with me. >> she had a chance to do better with her 11-year-old son. she was participating in a program run by the jail called match. >> it was developed in the hopes of stop being the cycle of inter generational incarceration. the more they learn about themselves the more they learn how to let go of things.

the greater they become at parenting. >> bexar county's at 31 years old is one of the longest in the nation. graduates have about a 15% lower arrest rate than the national average. >> the match program has helped me a lot with communication as far as with my child, the way i communicate with him. the things i say, how i say it. it makes a big difference on how you say something your child. >> the program allows hour long visits in classroom settings as opposed to the jail's non-contact area opposed to other areas for 50 minute no contact visits. >> the children take a lot of responsibilities and a lot of things that aren't, that don't belong to them. they feel like they are the ones that caused the parent to be in jail because they were bad or

because they made bad grades in school. >> today she's visit with her son. >> emotions will start running high in a minute. you'll see everybody's emotions. hi, baby. how you doing? good. it's good to see you. you smell good. you got haircut. i don't want to mess up your hair. you doing good? it's awesome. it's heart wrenching at the same time but it's great. he gets the feel of me hugging him. he can let go some. i think that hug helps him let go. it helps me let go. >> i've been doing real good in school. my grades are really high. >> i know.

you on the honor roll. i'm so proud of you. >> i told you, you do better, maybe we can do this together. you do better in school, i do better over here. we'll really try hard to get this going and onto pick your grades up and mom will do good on there side too. he made a/b honor roll. >> it's really nice. they're volunteering and not asking for any money. i think they really support having the children and see each other. >> very good. you got it. >> we draw on the chalkboards and we play games and read books. >> he had chalk on his hands where we had been wiping the chalkboard and put his hands on all my.

the girls saw his hand prints on the back of my blue shirt. i didn't want to turn the shirt in. i didn't want the chalk to come off because i could see his cute little hand prints. i love you. you going to make the next visit? >> i'm going to try if you're not gone. bye. >> love you. >> no matter how many times he visits me, it never gets easier to have to let him go out the door and not be able to go with him. when i hit the window, he turned around and saw me and i had tears running down my eyes and he didn't want to look back. he saw me but he couldn't turn back and look at me like that. he just turned away and stayed like that. i know it hurt him. it's okay. we're going to get through this. god's going to see me through this. we're all going to get through

it. coming up. >> hey, you know you still owe me the lunch, the sandwiches. >> john carlo is faced with a jailhouse threat. >> if he keep playing with me then it's going to get physical.

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at the fairfax adult detention center in virginia john carlo slight build and boyish looks caught the attention of our field producer who felt he would fit a certain inmate architect, the fish out of water. it turns out he was 21 years old but it was his first time in jail. he was awaiting trial for stealing a car and hoping his family would bail him out. >> talked to my sister yesterday. she said she will try to get money and talk to my parents. they want to know if i've learned my lesson and changed. >> in the meantime he was doing his best to fit in. >> during his jail time, he ended up on a minimum security unit where he was able to get a job in the kitchen. he shot some b roll of him on the line serving food. >> it's my second day. i'm learning still. >> apparently he got fired for allegedly stealing cookies. he ended up on a much tougher housing unit an it was a place he didn't want to be.

>> he denied stealing anything. >> one of the managers found a bag of packet of cookie in the trash bag. he didn't know who it was. instead of checking with the cameras, he just called in the four new guys who were working the cooking line. since none of us knew who did it, he fired all of us. >> things would get much tougher. another inmate in the new unit charles robinson who is waiting charge or robbery and malicious wounding decided he owed him something. >> he owe me a lunch. he was supposed to give me his breakfast tray. he didn't give that up so he going to give me his lunch today. >> he told me people who come here for the first week don't eat or something. something that's never happened to me before. i don't know if that's initiation or maybe everybody go through.

>> robinson had the rule if a new inmate came up he has to give up the tray. i asked him where that come from. he said it was done to him. >> i had to give them my tray. he got to pay. i need my lunch. >> we were just getting some basic b roll shots of him in the housing unit. he was on the phone with his family and something really surprising happened. >> hey, hey, bro, you know you still owe me the lunch, the sandwiches, right? you know that, right? you owe me the sandwiches. you owe him the cookies. >> wow. >> grab that just send it to me. >> thank you for letting me know. >> don't forget. don't forget.

>> come off that lunch today. >> i'm eating good today. >> the fact that he did it so blatantly in front of us, i think robinson wanted to seem tough. he wanted to look like he was a bad [ muted ]. inmates that would bully somebody would not do it in front of us because we walk around with escort officers so they don't want to get busted. it was really surprising to see robinson go up and just blatantly start to bully this guy in front of everybody. i'm speculating, but i think they didn't just take him right to lockup because they were giving us the respect of doing our job and filming life in jail. >> either way, he now had a decision to make. stand his ground and face a possible beating or give up his food and become a perpetual victim. >> i don't want to do it, i don't want to say pride, but i don't want to be deemed as weak.

another part of me really doesn't care. i do need to eat. it's tough your mind. it's tough with decisions you have to make because everything decision might have a consequence. >> i don't want it now. you put your hands on it and everything. i wanted both of them. tomorrow's another day. that right there, that gets me. he try to give me one sandwich and he touched it. i don't know where your hands been. i want both the sandwiches. depending on what dinner is today, i make take the dinner. i might not eat it. i might give it to somebody else who want it. or i'm taking his breakfast tomorrow. if he keep playing with me then it's going to get physical. >> this guy gives you something,

is it going to be cool from then on? >> probably not because i don't like his attitude. he ain't going to last up here the way he carry himself, the way he act. >> my religion tells me to give it to him. maybe i'm learning. maybe god is trying to teach me something right there. it's hard. i'm trying to be myself and not bother anybody. that only makes you stand out more, i guess. everything is a test. i'm studying for my test. sometimes i get pop quizzes like that and it's like i'm not prepared. >> the next day his decision was made for him. >> i don't see him in the unit today. what happened? >> they told him he was leaving the block. >> i had to get bailed out. i knew i had to. nobody in my family thinks i should be out. nobody thinks i'm ready. as soon as that guy came over,

he helped me a lot. he said you're going to give me your sandwich. >> you know you owe me your lunch. >> the other person on the line was like who was that? what did they say? all right. i'm coming right now. that guy helped me a lot that day. >> he says he would consider a return visit to jail but in a different role. >> i want to study law. i never wanted to do that in my life. after going through this place and experiencing everything that someone has to go through, i really want to be able to help people in my situation as well. >> everybody stand up. >> in other jails in prisons across the country, officials try to take steps to assure young men and women never cross their thresholds. one of the most popular has been scaring kids for several decades now. >> how old are you? why are you here? >> i cut the teacher. >> you cut a teacher.

look at me. you talking to me right? >> yes. >> back in the 1970s, a new program came out that was designed to keep kids this trouble with the law to keep them from committing the kind of crimes that would send them to jail. it's called scared straight. >> what are you crying for? >> kids would visit jail and inmates would get in their face and try to scare them straight. it became really popular. a number of studies came out suggesting they were not effective and might be contributing to the problem. >> you hear me. i'm in for murder now. >> when we went to the jail in long island in new york we discovered a different kind of scared straight program wasn't targeting at risk kids at all.

for many of the inmates at the suffolk county jail on long island, new york, it holds that it will be less monotomous than others. >> a lot of people compare to scared straight. it's toned down. they come here on the bus and come through with their chaperons and teachers. >> we want them to see this is a dead end coming to jail. it's not necessarily kids this trouble. this is a whole grade of kids from a high school or junior high school that come in. >> this is maximum security facility. when we go inside there's some rule wes have to follow. >> officer nelson is their guide. >> this class is a high school class.

they're not at risk youth. they are kids in law course. >> this is our criminal justice elective. it's an opportunity for students to see how the criminal justice field works in all aspects. this gives them an insight into the prison jail system which is one of the topics covered in the course. >> ladies, nothing in your hair. no bobby pin, straight pin, clips. >> they've been running since the '80s. i came through when i was in high school. i ended up working here which was nowhere in my plans. i'm glad i did. i'm glad i'm here. last week we had an inmate, he was slashed in the yard. they sharpened a peach pit and gave him what they call a buck 50. 150 stitches each side. they won't be allowed to have peaches anymore. >> the students are processed into the jail.

like any new inmate are searched for contrabands. >> stay to your right. >> in the beginning i was excited but now i'm hearing stories and i'm kind of like nervous. my teachers have gone on previous trips here and said they were scared a little bit. >> i'm just looking forward to experiencing what it's about. life lesson. how not to end up like one of these guys. no offense to them. maybe help me become a lawyer. >> maybe room. >> the first stop is a holding cell where new arrestees are on fined during the booking process. >> we can put up to 60 inmates in each holding unit. 40 people, another 20 people. one toilet. we don't separate our inmates by charges. there may be three blood over there. one crip over here. guy who stabbed his wife over here. the drunk guy over there.

>> i'm never going to jail. >> follow me. come around this pole. >> the tour now heads to one of men's maximum security units. most of the inmates they will encounter are charged with serious crimes but are not necessarily convicted. >> listen up. we are now in the fourth floor. it's a male floor. i'm going to read you the charges of these inmates. murder, criminal contempt, criminal possession of a controlled substance, failure to register as a sex offender, burglary, criminal possession of a controlled substance, murder, criminal contempt, murder, murder. we'll be going through four east first. >> like most other scared straight programs, the reception is graphic, if not over the top. >> suck my [ bleep ].

>> what's up? >> come right in here. clean up. what you look at with your bifocals? yeah white boy. look that way. she look like she ready to cry. she look like she ready to cry. don't cry. don't be scared. >> the inmates participate -- >> what's up? what you looking at? >> try to scare them when they come through. let them know it's not really that fun to be in here. it's not. >> students exit the men's jail but the tour is not over. >> i'm actually shaking. >> shaking? >> yeah, oh my god. >> now the students are let through a women's tier. >> why you so scared? look at me.

remember this face. >> the louder woman is jamie. >> do you want to lick it? i know i'll make you. >> the things i was saying to those kids was horrible. it wasn't me. that's not how i am. that's just me put on a front so that they see like the craziness that goes on. wipe that smile off your [ bleep ] face. ugly [ bleep ]. wipe that smile off. >> we want them to know that this is real. i'm going to lose my voice. >> the students get break from the verbal assault and ready themselves for the next part of the program. >> i felt the girls were lot scarier. >> i thought the girls were worse. >> they kept calling us fresh meat. >> it was scary. it wasn't like a normal thing.

they were yelling at you and screaming. you just couldn't say anything. you couldn't do anything. you just had to walk past it like it wasn't going on. >> listen up. quiet. all right. now we're going to bring down some inmates to talk to you guys.

when a group of local high school students took a tour of the suffolk county jail in long island, new york, they were subjected to insults and threats from inmates. >> what's good? >> they hadn't even done anything wrong. >> this is a youth enlightenment seminar. it's a very mild scared straight program. taking the first criminal justice course so they are learning the way the courts work and stuff like that. >> listen up. listen up. quiet, guys. all right. now we're going to bring down some inmates to talk to you guys. you might recognize some of them.

>> the guy that said something scary to me. >> i'm going to cry. >> all right. all right. everything cease. >> the second half of the program begins with the same tough talk from some of the inmates, but now they're not behind bars. >> put your hands your knees. >> together. hands on your knees. >> put your feet together and bring your hands on your knees in case you can't hear us. you, get up in front. you switch sides. >> do nothing. don't talk back to me. >> take them out. >> wipe the smile off your face. >> make your feet touch like everything else. you're not special. >> rule number one, keep your eyes on the speaker. don't worry about what's going onto your left or right. if someone gets called out, you can't help them. if you feel like you can help one of them, get up and try.

otherwise keep your eyes on the speaker. number two show some kind of respect otherwise we'll come at you a little hard. >> the first speaker sudden shifts from intimidating inmate to man with something to share. >> i'm from brooklyn, new york, born and raised. i want to speak about life. if you want to make life [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. if you want to make it beautiful, it'sgoing do be beautiful. what do you want to make it? if i had the chance to do it all over again, i would. how old are you? >> 15. >> 15 years old. 15 years old. if i had the chance to jump in a time machine and go back, i would. trust me, i would, man. >> he was in jail for parole violation and prior convictions including robbery and assault for which he's already served three years in prison. >> i was very active in sports growing up. i ran track, numerous events.

i even ran cross country. i boxed and played baseball. i had a scholarship. i got shot. i didn't get better fast enough. my father is a police officer. they say i'm not supposed to be here. if i make idiotic choices, i am supposed to be here. don't try to portray an image that's not you. for years i try to fit into a lifestyle that didn't fit me. you know what it got me, years and years of pain. years and years of my mother crying. years and year of my father, our relationship is strained. we're just recently trying to amend our relationship. you have the opportunity not to even [ bleep ] live not a day of the [ bleep ] that we live here. just by the choices you make today. it's going to make an impact on your tomorrow.

i was a business major, man. now i'm fighting to get back. to finish up my degree. i'm fighting to get back to my daughter. i'm missing milestone aftermilestone of my daughter's life. i came here when my daughter was four. my daughter is about to be eight. >> the kids come here and talk to the inmates and the inmates explain to them how they got into the position they're in. the inmate like to do it. they enjoy doing it. sometimes i think it's like a therapy for them. all right. right about now i'm going to give you chance to ask the inmates any chance you want. there's no questions off limits. anybody have a question for any of these inmates up here? in the back. >> why do you have us sit with our hands on the knees? >> that's called the bus ride. when you're going with the bus ride upstate. you're shackled. feet and hands. black box.

stump down. i'm shackled to her ankle to ankle. when i get up to the go to the bathroom, she's coming can me. >> another man? >> i would love for her to keep me company on the bus ride. you only have to do that for 45 minutes, if that. if you make the wrong decisions, you can take that eight hour, 14 hour ride in that position. >> that's a long ride. >> that's the reason why. i think john has a question as well. >> at any point in your life did you ever think to stop and think of what you were doing? >> of course. >> good one. >> i did. you know what, it's something called insanity. where you thinking you can do the same thing over and over just might be a little slight difference and expect difference results. that's what happened. trying to cut corners. i got cut off the race altogether. i'm done with that. you can't confirm 50%.

it has to be 100%. >> why do you start screaming and stuff. now you're all calm. why? >> we don't want you to think it's a joke in here. it's not. we don't know when we're going home. this is not a joke. we want you to see that. you come through and see us just sitting there watching tv, plar playing cards you'll be like it's nothing but it is. it gets turned up in there. >> it does. >> the guys were like me. they were in my position earlier in life. they didn't have nobody in their corner to tell them the right thing. it didn't turn out too well. >> what he was saying was like motivational to do the right thing and not to do anything wrong. he had his life all planned out and that one thing just changed everything. >> i thought it was good to see different perspective on how the inmates really live their life and what it's like to be in

there and live 24/7 in that environment. i wouldn't be able to live in that, i don't think. i wouldn't like that at all. >> well now that i have an idea of what actually happens, i don't know if i would ever take a career here. at least i don't know if i have the capability to handle everything or see real people like this. it would probably just make me like upset.

due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> at kentucky state penitentiary, some inmates can apprentice in an auto body shop. at rikers island jail, a bakery churns out nearly 90,000 loaves