visit jardiance.com hello everyone. i'm alex witt here in new york at msnbc world headquarters. and here's what's happening, the search for answers in the crash of flight 804. does new information make it appear less likely that terrorism played a role? in politics, donald trump's message to a hispanic group. the unusual method of delivery and the three words he said were great. a shock presidential poll that shows a third party candidate reaching double digits and he's not widely known. could he knock out hillary clinton and donald trump in november? i'll talk with him this hour. and trump says he'd speak to kim jong-un as president. i'll talk to someone who's deltd with north korea many times to get his perspective. at the top of the hour, the search for the flight data

recorders of egyptair flight 804 is intensifying as we're seeing first video of debris from the doomed flight. french officials confirmed today that smoke was detected in the aircraft just minutes before the plane disappeared from radar, but the cause of the smoke remains unclear. in egypt, home to 30 of the plane's 66 victims, families grieved as they waited to hear if the bodies of their loved ones would be recovered. joining me now from paris, nbc's chris jansing. chris, good day to you. i know you've been talking with a number of experts on the investigations. what are you learning? >> reporter: talking about the complexity of it and how many parallel investigations are going on. start with what you talked about, alex, which is what we learned late yesterday about the communications that came from the plane directly to the ground to operation and maintenance centers that talked about a couple of key things. one is smoke, smoke that was coming from a bathroom, also that was adjacent to the cockpit by the way. and also smoke that was coming from beneath the floor there,

which is where much of the technical equipment is held. the second part of that was another set of alarms that talked about the computers onboard and problems with that. so you have a couple of things that are indicating a problem, but again, as we've talked about since this happened, no mayday. the other thing is this happened within a matter of minutes. but one expert i just talked to when he was a long-time head of aviation investigation here in france, and he's been involved in quite a few plane crash investigations, told me only useful in context. you put it in context with the other things that are going on. let's talk about what's been happening in the eastern mediterranean, the fact that they are finding parts of the plane, that they are finding human remains, that they are finding the belongings of some of the passengers. that search is continuing to go on. they're taking that step. they will obviously analyze it. that will give them some more clues as well. and the key to that is what we heard both from the people i talked to today and a british

official, the search for the black boxes. take a listen. >> wreckage has now been identified, so the search area has narrowed. the priority now is to find the black box of course to try to understand what happened to the aircraft. in the meantime we've offered help with the search, we've offered air accident investigation board to support the investigation when it gets going. the sooner we can get to the bottom of this and understand exactly what happened, the sooner we can make sure with our partners around the world that we are taking the necessary actions to keep people safe. >> reporter: one more piece of this investigation is happening here at charles de gaulle airport. the other places where that plane stopped along the way, and that is looking at people who had access to this plane. when they had a meeting this morning with about 50 family members from the french victims on this flight, the french foreign minister admitted that they were very unhappy, that they learned about this new information about the smoke onboard from the media and not from officials.

their number one question for officials not surprisingly is what happened on that plane, was it terrorism, was it something that happened here at charles de gaulle or one of the other airports that allowed a security breach that led to terrorism that led to the downing of this plane. but right now, again, the security officials we've talked to, you've got to look at all these different ongoing investigations in context, put them together they're a ways off from being able to decide whether or not this was something mechanical, whether it was terrorism or something else, alex. >> very true words. thank you very much. chris jansing at charles de gaulle airport. coming up later on we'll hear from a retired pilot about what goes on in a cockpit when a crew learns of smoke onboard a plane and how everyone is trained to react to that. that's coming your way at the bottom of the hour. now to politics. donald trump is off the campaign trail today after picking up the coveted endorsement by the nra. trump spent most of his 30-minute speech at that group's annual leadership forum yesterday attacking hillary

clinton. he called her the most anti-gun, anti-second amendment candidate and then took his attacks a step further with this suggestion. >> heartless hypocrites like the clintons want to take this and they want to get rid of guns, and yet they have bodyguards that have guns. should immediately disarm and let's see how good they do, let's see how they feel walking around without their guns on their bodyguards. in the meantime nobody else can have the guns, right? >> former president bill clinton is shifting into general election mode by attacking the presumptive republican nominee over his refusal to release his tax returns. here's what he told supporters in montana last night. >> the republicans are about to nominate a guy who says he's worth $10 billion and won't show his tax returns. >> bernie sanders is also ramping up his attacks against trump by stressing his rhetoric. here's what sanders said before a crowd of about 7,000 supporters in new mexico last night. >> the american people will

never in my view accept a candidate like trump who insults mexicans and latinos, who insults muslims, who insults veterans and women and as who as a leader of the so-called birther movement tried to de-legitimize the first african-american president we have ever had. >> bernie sanders has two events today, one in new mexico and the other in california. former president bill clinton also campaigning in california, and hillary clinton has one event in florida. joining me now is nbc's jacob rascon from outside of trump tower midtown manhattan. jac

jacob, good afternoon to you. both mr. trump and hillary clinton friday addressing a voting block they really need, didn't they? >> reporter: right. this is a group of hispanic voters. in fact, hispanic evangelical leaders who tend to vote republican, donald trump this year during the annual conference they have in california submitted three minutes of himself a pretaped video reaching out. this is the first time that we know of of donald trump reaching out to the latino community besides maybe that tweet he did about the taco bowls when he said he loved hispanics. but he's been criticized of course a lot over the last ten months about his comments, about illegal immigrants and building a wall and deporting them. so this was him reaching out in a pre-taped video message. hillary clinton then also pre-taped some comments. they're very different of course in style and in substance. here's a clip of what they said. >> national hispanic christian, three great words. we're going to take care of you.

we're going to work with you. you're going to be very happy. you're going to like president trump. >> we're hearing some divisive and dangerous rhetoric in this election. we have a candidate who wants to t tear families apart and forcibly deport 11 million undocumented immigrants who calls mexicans rapists, wlo talks about banning muslims from entering the country. that is not who we are as a people. >> reporter: so in this conference to more than 1,000 hispanic evangelical leaders, hillary's tape was played first. and afterwards there was just silence. and then it went to donald trump's tape and afterward there was actually laughing heard in the room. and one of the leaders of the group said after that in a press conference talking about how he was willing to give donald trump a chance but said something like it would be a miracle, really, to get the support of some in these conference, alex. >> okay. nbc's jacob rascon there in

midtown. thank you so much. joining me now, political reporter for real clear politics and a political reporter for "the washington post." ladies, welcome to you both. clearly hillary's message took a bit more time to put together, why do you think donald trump would allow that to happen? >> well, that's actually been part of his style throughout the campaign. he's kind of made these instagram videos and tweets as we know of course that's very much a part of his style. and it's very much off the cuff, unscripted. and that sort of thing. but it is kind of an acknowledgment of sorts that he needs to start making inroads among these communities. i don't think instagram videos and tweets and those sort of things are necessarily going to cut it, but it is very much in line with his style. and so i wasn't surprised to see that in a video. and that is also kind of previewing the contrast we're going to see with the clinton

campaign and the trump campaign, the clinton campaign obviously much more, you know, going by tradition and that sort of thing these kind of more highly produced videos. and in terms of their message the contrast is stark. >> but we should say that trump's message in that video looked like, i mean, it looked almost off the cuff. it looks like he's looking down at some notes, but it doesn't have great production value. >> no, not at all. it is very much off the cuff. and i think, you know, he obviously took a lot of heat for the taco bowl instagram that he posted that jacob eluded to. but that's definitely what we see from trump is kind of these off the cuff almost, you know, videos in response or tweets in response kind of impulsive. >> yeah. doesn't look like he's having to spend a lot of money on media at least certainly at this point. katie, i want to talk with you about your colleagues reporting on trump's tax returns from the late '70s which showed he did not pay a cent to the federal government in income taxes.

how does that revelation couple with his refusal to release his most recent returns speak to his base who have broadened his attacks about hillary clinton being dishonest and not transparent. let me correct myself, i believe it was 1981 were those taxes that we were talking about. >> yeah. the story shows it was from a court case, i believe, in 1981 that showed there were a few years in the late '70s where trump did not pay any taxes. you know, trump has said where he's tried to -- you know, said he's tried to do things that, you know, could be to his benefit. but, you know, it will be an interesting thing to see because many of trump's -- trump is saying the system is rigged and that sort of thing. and, you know, how his base responds to that people who say they're getting slammed in taxes are people who say they're getting they can't get by. it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. >> yeah, what about in terms of what you're hearing from the down ballot candidates who've endorsed trump about the feedback they're now getting from their constituents? >> right. i've talked to a lot of

republicans over the course of this week from districts where trump did well and also places where bernie sanders did well. and these republicans are kind of excited about the possibility of running with donald trump because they say he has been appealing directly to their constituents. these are places like western pennsylvania, western new york, parts of illinois, even parts of north carolina where they think trump can be helpful in turning out the vote, helping with fund raising perhaps and kind of elevating these lower down ballot candidates. and this is kind of in contrast to what we're seeing from many republicans in tough races especially on the senate level concerned about sharing a ticket with donald trump because of, you know, the divisive character and what we've seen throughout the course of the primary. but there are republicans who are excited about running with him. and we're also seeing over the past few days many republicans really warming up to him, especially as he is going after

more strongly going after hillary clinton. they see him as kind of a uniter of republicans in that way. >> and, katie, i'm curious because you wrote about governor christie taking a beating in the poll since endorsing donald trump. so what does he hope to get out of this partnership? >> donald trump has said if he does in fact win the white house christie can be part of the transition team. christie clearly sees a role for himself down the road here, but it's true in new jersey his poll numbers have taken a dive really since he has been running for president and has been out of the state quite a bit. you know, it was a huge number of new jersey said they don't think christie should be donald trump's vice presidential choice. the state has a number of fiscal issues and other issues going on right now. at this fundraiser in new jersey they were both very, very well received. it was not that large. it was $200 a head to get in. but, you know, this was really christie's base in jersey. but, you know, very large percentage, i believe it was 74% said they do not think christie

should be trump's vice president. >> katie, with regard to the democrats, your colleague and frequent guest here on this broadcast phillip just published a piece about the president's popularity based on the gallup poll says popularity has improved higher every single week since march 1 st. in her pivot towards the general election hillary clinton has been increasingly aligning herself with the president. so how much do you think the president's approval ratings help her? >> well, you know, he as phillip reported, they are going up. and she really has been, you know, tying herself to the president and not separating himself -- herself from him. so, you know, we'll be seeing, you know, if she can in fact get a bounce out of his bounce as well. >> how about criticizing the president? how much do you think can be gained by donald trump for doing that? >> well, i certainly think that's something that animates republicans. and i think you'll see more from trump, you know, going after

clinton, going after the current administration in a way to rally republicans. and i think on the democratic side i think one of the, you know, outcomes of a longer primary than they had anticipated, a longer and more divisive primary than they had certainly hoped for was that it keeps president obama on the sidelines for now in a way. i mean, he hasn't been able to come out and fully endorse hillary clinton although we know that will surely come after she gets the nomination. but it really sidelines, you know, key figures in the democratic party right now. who could really serve to unite the party and get democrats excited. we've seen president obama as a very effective tool when it comes to -- very effective resource when it comes to campaigning. we saw a preview of that a couple weeks ago when he gave a commencement address. i think that's one of the consequences of a long drawn out primary on the democratic side. >> yeah, a very memorable commencement address at howard university. thank you very much, ladies.

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you could see there was blood coming out of her, you know, whatever -- >> that ad put out by a hillary clinton super pac that donald trump had a pattern of inappropriate -- here's what ivanka told cbs's nora o'donnell this week.

>> i do want to read you from part of the article. it says many of the women interviewed, quote, reveal unwelcomed romantic advances, unending commentary on the female form, shrewd reliance on ambitious women and unsettling workplace conduct. is there unending commentary on the female form? >> no, no. and, again, this is an article that is widely being discredited. the lead person who was interviewed for the story and that the story opens up with all over the news yesterday saying they manipulated what she was saying. i don't find it that meaningful to comment on this particular story because i think the facts are starting to speak for themselves. >> joining me now, you worked for donald trump for four years eventually becoming a vice president at trump international. a welcome to you. i know you read this "new york times" piece. did it to you demonstrate the culture of how women are treated within the trump organization? >> look, the way women were treated at the trump organization was just like men were treated in that the only

way mr. trump discriminated was based on performance. it wasn't based on gender or where you came from. >> okay. were you approached to participate in that story? >> no. i was not. >> okay. did mr. trump ever make comments on your appearance, for better or for worse? >> no, absolutely not. the only comments that were made were really in regards to performance. if i didn't do something just perfectly right, i would definitely know about it. he kept all of us accountable. >> can you tell me, i guess describe the kind of work you did there? >> i was v.p. of marketing for four different projects including trump international soho. these are very complex projects where you've got hotel, you've got condominium and retail components. and my job was to put together entire teams to market and sell these projects. >> okay. i presume women were on that team. can you do a breakdown whether it was 50/50 or less than that? >> i would say majority of

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one great woman in business can be better than ten men. but i'll tell you, i came from war-torn sarajevo, i spent years dodging sniper bullets and grenades and coming to america was a big deal because i was just grateful and lucky to have an opportunity to work. so i worked really hard. my path to success was difficult, i'll say that. what was interesting to me is that people like me who are immigrants who came from different parts of the world had great opportunities at the trump organization. >> so may i just ask you then given your background of things that mr. trump has said about mexica mexicans, about muslims. >> uh-huh. >> how do you react to that? >> that's politics. and honestly, i'm a businesswoman, so i've stuck to the business issues. but i do think that mr. trump needs to start addressing issues

that are important to minorities and to women. i speak to a lot of young mothers at boys and girls club where i volunteer in palm beach, and what's interesting is that a lot of them tell me how difficult it is for them to find proper jobs or more importantly to ask their boss for a well deserved raise. closing gender gap is an issue that i think needs to be addressed by mr. trump as just one of the issues that are very important to women. and that's how you get an appeal to minorities and women. >> how about in terms of the workplace? do you think in general that women have to work harder than men to earn mr. trump's respect? >> i think in a broader context when you're working in a dog eat dog world of real estate development in new york, which is fiercely competitive, i found that i had to work twice as hard than anyone else i had met. of course, that's posble due

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we are just about 25 or 30 miles from the mexico border. that tip given to me by local law enforcement here. so you get a sense this is not a place where there is normally a big show of american political campaigning. it's a state that typically is more liberal, and so in the general election season you don't get a lot of visits. and with the intensity of the democratic primary season, that's what brings the campaign train through this part of the country. and so from bernie sanders' point of view, part of what he's trying to do is connect with voters who live here and the issues that are of concern here. this state has the highest population of hispanic voters. it's also a state where we've seen challenges with respect to income and higher education. real core issues that go right to the message of bernie sanders. so there is excitement. i can tell you that we are on the grounds of an elementary school, and we have seen from early this morning many hours ahead of the event, the line formed, now it snakes all around the perimeter here.

the sun is intense, pushing 100 degrees. so people are really making an effort to be here and to see the events unfold. now, sanders is also trying to make an argument that is evolving in his campaign. because of the intense pressure about the democratic side, he is making a more pointed argument against donald trump and talking about polling that suggests he would perform well against trump if he were to become the nominee. that's the sense that we're seeing out here, alex. >> all right. kelly oo'donnell, thank you so much. getting an insider perspective, coming up i'll talk with a retired pilot about what could have happened during those final moments of the doomed egyptair flight 804. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. when we breathe in allergens our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms.

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welcome back everyone. i'm alex witt here at msnbc headquarters in new york. new revelations as to what happened in the final moments before egyptair flight 804 plummeted into the mediterranean sea.

the plane sensors detected smoke on several locations on that plane including the lavatory near the cockpit, what caused the smoke though remains a mystery. also new today, first images of the plane's wreckage being released by the egyptian military. the focus now is on finding the jet's black boxes. let's head to cairo and nbc's ayman mohyeldin. authorities believe terrorism is a more likely explanation than equipment failure, is that still the case today? >> reporter: well, alex, that was one of the initial statements that came out of the egyptian government when the civil aviation minister gave that very first press conference trying to address some of those questions, but since then the government has been very tight lipped about what may have been the cause of this crash. now, you mentioned some of that data that was picked up on the sensors sent back to the maintenance bay through airbus, that information didn't come out of egypt. the egyptian government is still not commenting about any of the analysis or forensic analysis of some of the debris that has been picked up at sea. what they are talking about

though is the ongoing search and recovery of that wreckage. as you mentioned they today for the first time military releasing some of the images, showed life vests, some of the seats, some internal material of that plane. in addition to that egyptair has announced they have hired a foreign expert to help with some of the identification process that is going to take place further down the road, that is collecting dna samples from some of the living family members here to match those with some of the bodies that are recovered at sea. in terms of the mourning that is taking place in cairo, the country is still very much mourning those. egyptair says it's going to hold a funeral on monday night for the crew as well as the pilot and co-pilot of that egyptair flight. but since then we've started to learn more about some of those passengers. among the flight crew, today we had some pictures confirmed to us by family and friends of those that were killed, they include a flight attend, a

members of the flight crew. in terms of some of the passengers we've been reporting, a mother of three who was an executive working in france, she was on her way back home to her children, as well as ahmed who was living in france working for proctor & gamble. he and his wife -- his wife rather and their daughter returned back to cairo after this tragedy. so we're learning a little more about the passengers, the investigation not that many questions answered so far, alex. >> but hearing the details about the people makes it so much more heartbreaking. thank you so much, ayman mohyeldin. let's bring in retired chief pilot for alaska airlines. so, michael, as a pilot tell me what goes on in a cockpit when there's an indication of an emergency. something like a fire or smoke condition, what first happens? >> well, the first thing you do is fly the airplane. that's rule one. you can't get distracted with the issue at hand and let the airplane go out of control on

you. so first of all you start assessing everything that's going on, looking at your indications that you have determining which checklist should be applied. and starting to work through those checklists. and mindfully still flying the airplane first. >> and you're not necessarily going to try to reach out to air traffic control to say, hey, i've got an issue, right? it's all about stabilizing the plane first. >> yeah. that's exactly right. you're busy, you're focused, you're trying to get -- especially if you have an airplane going out of control on you, you're putting all of your energy, mental and physical, into keeping that airplane flying and getting it out of the situation that it's in. >> you know, michael, there was something though in part of the description it was detected on radar that that plane lurched to, i believe the right, a sharp 90-degree turn and then made a complete revolution to the left,

very sharp, very dramatic. in your experience, what could cause that? >> well, a number of things could cause that. it could be pilot manipulation. it could be a sequential flight control failure. so there may be a failure with the flight controls or some issue or damage to the airplane that causes the airplane to turn one way, but as the airplane decelerates, the different forces on the airplane could happen to make it turn the other way and possibly enter a spiral. it's a pilot's worst nightmare. >> i can about imagine. this plane did a lot of traveling, as you know, on the day it crashed. it flew to cairo, back to cairo, cairo to paris and on the return leg when it crashed. one would flight crew have made all these runs, or would there have been a crew change at some point? >> well, i don't know what rules that the egyptian pilots operate

under, what regulatory rules that the egyptian government has on their pilots, but probably there would have been a crew change. and that's pretty typical for an airplane. you know, the philosophy of an airline is any time that airplane is sitting on the ground, it's not making you money. >> uh-huh. that makes sense. this particular airbus 320, it was 12 years old, it was purchased new by egyptair. michael, who determines how these planes are maintained? how does plane maintenance in that part of the world compare to plane maintenance schedules here in this country? >> well, we would hope that it would be equal playing field. i have no understanding of the procedures and quality of aircraft maintenance in egypt, but the manufacturers develop a very precise protocol for maintaining the airplanes. and the airlines -- most of the airlines in the world are very faithful to those manufacturers'

protoco protocols. >> michael, i'm not going to ask you to give me an answer since we have investigators from multiple resources trying to figure out the answers, but given your experience as a pilot and what limited information we have, does anything jump to the forefront of your mind when you think this is probably what happened? >> this is a very sensitive issue in the aviation industry. there's a tension. on one hand you need to identify the cause of the crash as quickly as possible to rule it out in future crashes. on the other hand, if you jump to a conclusion too quickly, you might head down the wrong road and name the wrong cause. so you're working this tension between these two issues, and it could have been a number of things. i'm just not close enough to it to tell you exactly or even probably what caused it. >> how about this, for those who have perhaps jumped out ahead of definitive answers and have said this is an act of terrorism,

would you say that that is premature? >> well, it's a possibility. it's likely. but it's also likely that it could have been some sort of failure on the airplane. it could have been an issue with the crew. there's a whole number of things, so when you say likely, you know, i just can't stack them in any order. you really have to go to the fundamentals and get the black box and start from square one with everything on the table. >> yeah, it does seem like all the answers will come from those boxes once they are recovered. michael swanigan, thank you very much for your insights and candor. appreciate it. thank you, alex. for the first time this election cycle evidence of a potential strength in a third party candidate libertarian gary johnson joins me next.

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and for the first time in a long time there could be a third party option in november, a fox news poll shows libertarian gary johnson polling at 10% against hillary clinton and donald trump, a huge improvement from the 1% johnson got back in 2012, but is that enough to make johnson a viable option for the never-trump and never-hillary camps, even if he admits it's a tough case to make. take a listen. >> for me to be in the presidential debates i have to be polled right now. and that's really the key for me. i was in a national poll about one month ago, and polled at 11% against hillary and trump. and, look, i'll readily admit if donald duck would have been the third name in that poll, donald probably would have polled at 30%, but donald duck's not on the ballot in all 50 states, i am. >> joining me now, gary johnson, former governor of new mexico and libertarian party presidential candidate, with a welcome to you, awfully glad to

see you. we just heard you saying the trick is to secure a spot in debates for the general election. gary, do you see yourself getting enough momentum in polls for that to happen? >> well, back to key, key is just being in the polls. look, being in the polls is a self-fulfilling prophesy. being in the polls is at some point people actually, well, gee, i've seen that name gary johnson a bunch, i better check it out. and i happen to think that my resume that my experience holds up under the scrutiny that that would entail. the fact that bill well joined the ticket or is running for the libertarian vice presidential nomination, i just think that adds a whole lot of credibility to this run also. >> yeah. and all that will be decided at that convention, which will be well underway a week from today certainly. but i know your campaign, gary, is suing the presidential debate commission because your protest of that 15% rule which allows a candidate to be included in debates. so how is that going to play out? >> well, it actually, alex, is

not on the 15% rule, it's on the basis of not being in the polls. it's the fact that democrats and republicans are engaged in a business, and in that business they exclude -- they sign statements with one another saying that they won't -- that they'll exclude everyone else. we think that the media may sign documents to the same extent. and we think that even the polling organizations may do the same. there's no way that a third party gets elected unless they're in the presidential debates, the super bowl of politics. but right now that is a very real possibility. and it's something that i would look forward to, the notion of being able to talk about these issues in a way that neither trump nor hillary are talking about, and at the end of the day if i don't end up being president, guess what, i'm going to be representing 25, 30 million people on that stage, the eventual winner won't be

blind to the fact that i am representing that number of people and they're going to have to pay what i'm saying more than what i'm saying just lip service going forward. >> we know you're a former republican. do you have disenchanted republicans coming to you saying i vote for a gary johnson before a donald trump or hillary clinton? >> i sure do. and i sure have a lot of bernie supporters also saying if bernie gets out of this race that we're going to do the same. look, i think that three quarters of what bernie has to say is very libertarian. now, when bernie and i get to the t in the road when it comes to economics, i go one way, he goes the other. but regarding social issues, regarding the fact that it is a rigged game out there, the fact that we drop bombs and that our military interventions really have -- at the end of the day they have an unintended consequence of making things worse, legalizing marijuana, look, a lot of things bernie's saying i get it. >> real quickly, the day that

ted cruz dropped out of the race, you know this, google searches, they went high jumping for you there. i mean, maybe it's because an online ad in april you asked an ad in april you asked people to google you. can you get the finances you need to launch a true third-party bid? >> i thought -- first of all, i thought trump securing the nomination would be a pivotal event when cruz dropped out that was pivotal. getting the nomination next weekend and that's nothing for certain here but getting the nomination next weekend is pivotal. then i also see as pivotal when bernie sanders eventually doesn't get the nomination. where do all those people go, if they take the political quiz i side with.com just from an objective standpoint gee they might find a real tie in to gary

johnson. >> we'll be watching closely next weekend gary johnson. best of luck. thank you. >> best of luck. >> hate in america. we'll take a look at a new investigation into the deadly home grown threat of lone wolves in the racial and ethnic divide. ♪ >> bye, gary, that was good. ♪ ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid,

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a hearing is set for june 8th against the alleged shooter in the killing of nine parishioners in a church nearly a year ago. whether the teeth death penalty will be sought. the announcement came after a mural was released. the forgiveness is part of the next installment in the investigation discovery series, "hate in america." >> in a testament to their

impact three simple words spoken began trending on social media. became a movement, didn't it? >> it was a hash tag before we got out of the courtroom. >> simmons turns her statement into a global call to action and the movement against an endorsement from the commander-in-chief. >> he sent out a tweet that said he was inspired by the grace shown by my family and the families of the other victim victims, #hatewon'twin. >> that series highlights the lawsuit by the southern poverty law center. tony, i'm awfully glad to have you here. i love what she just said. that word "grace." that was the word that kept coming back around time and time again in the wake of shows shootings. that community they were incredibly impressive. >> impressive, right? alex, first of all great to be

on with you. big fan of yours. it started with nadine collier at that hearing and she said you took something from me that's very precious but god have mercy on your soul. it's funny you showed the clip of amanda where the grandfather was killed. she wasn't sure what she would say when she had an opportunity to speak to the lone wolf dillon roof and she just sort of channelled what nadine said and everybody who followed nadine did the same thing. she ended her statement to him with the words, "hate won't win." it became a hash tag before she was out of the courtroom. >> the president acknowledged. let's talk about the southern poverty law center which says that they have recorded 900 hate groups last year. that a 14% rise from 2014.

the kkk, black separatist groups they expanded the most of all of the groups. what is the law center saying contributed to this rise? what are they most concerned about? >> a couple of things. first of all, it's what some consider this demographic time bomb that's set to go off here in the year 2050, 2060 when the demographics in this country change dramatically. more to where we are at this moment, it's literally what we've seen over the last few years in the aftermath of the recession. you know this. you cover this every weekend, every day on your program. it's literally what's happened to middle class families, all the issues in this campaign right now and the fact that people in many cases are hoping for the life they had before the economic recession of 2007 and 2008 and desperately trying to get those back. those days, those years back. and that life back. and what's happened is because the recovery has been so slow

and so prolonged we've got the situation where people are angry and you've seen it. you have been recording it during the course of this hour on this program. that's what's happening across the country. and that's being manifest in hate. this is not something that's a theoretical exercise. in the four hours we produced on "hate in america," we're talking to people who have been courageous to sit down with me and talk about the worst things that happened in their lives, the loss of their loved ones and amazingly powerful ways. it's another pivot point for a conversation between pundits, this is real life. people have been impacted in a significant way because of scapegoating and gaze of this ideology of hate that's living dominantly online and people are acting on it. >> they sure are.

we're awfully glad you're hosting this series. third installment is tonight. donald trump says he would speak to kim jong-un as president. i'll speak with someone who has dealt with north korea many times to get his take on that. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states post service priori: you