oh. nice shot. new ensure enlive. always be you. >> right now some new pictures today of the debris from egyptair flight 804 and new information about the final moments before it disappeared from radar. investigators are trying to determine what triggered automated messages from the plane signaling smoke near the cockpit and if it was a terrorist attack who carried it out. here in the united states donald trump wins the endorsement of the national rifle association. now he is making a play for latino voters. plus bernie sanders fighting on despite long odds of winning the nomination. what he told supporters in new mexico about the race and his opponent hillary clinton. we start the hour though with that new piece of information

about the final moments before egypt air flight 804 fell off the radar. smoke was detected in a number of locations inside the aircraft but what caused that smoke is the question. nbc in paris was the latest on the investigation as well as security measures french officials have in place to reassure citizens following the november attacks and kelly what do we know right now and of course the smoke? the new piece of information. >> there's a lot of new information coming out today richard. first to the security aspect of all of this, you know, terrorism being mentioned as a possible cause for this flight has made people nervous. they're going to great lengths to make people comfortable especially at big events. there's a lot of big sporting events in this country today, this week and moving through the summer including tonight. a major soccer match at the french national stadium. so new security measures there

tonight even as the investigation into why this plane came down continues. and we got new clues to that effect today. these automated messages received in the last few minutes of this flight. there were two warning messages indicating some sort of problem with the cockpit windows. and then two more messages smoke alarms essentially. one in a bathroom close to a cockpit and the other in the avionics area underneath the cockpit and then three more alarms going off and then the system goes silent. what do they mean? they could mean a technical fault or explosion or a fire on board but essentially we won't have the complete picture until investigators have those black boxes as well as the plane wreckage. as you know, the search continues out in the eastern mediterranean. the egyptian military showing us pictures. the first pictures of the debris

they have already found. all very small pieces of debris and unused life jackets and seat parts and plane pieces. what they really want to find, obviously, are the black boxes. a french navy vessel is on its way to the area. it can actually listen for the pings coming from the black boxes. it should arrive at the beginning of the week at the very latest. we understand. but just to give you a sense of the time line richard, i covered the air asia crash out in indonesia back in 2014. another airbus a-320 it went town in the java sea. within the first 24 to 48 hours searchers were finding debris. it took another ten days or so before they found the tale section and brought it up and had the black boxes and richard they were working in 80 to 10 feet of water. this search is an 8,000 to 10,000 feet. >> as each day goes by so do the

currents. kelly is in paris for us with the latest. thank you so much with the new pieces of information we got in today on msnbc. we're also learning more about the victims of flight ms-804. he is in cairo where relatives of the victims held an emotional memorial today. >> the sun has set on another day of the on going search and recovery operation taking place in the mediterranean. so far no indication from the egyptian military whether or not they have been able to find that black box that includes both the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. that would be a key piece of the puzzle in trying to determine what happened to flight 804. however the egyptian military did release today for the first time some images of the debris collected at sea. some of the stuff identified with the egypt air logo indicating that that is the debris belonging to the wreckage of that flight. we also saw some personal

belongings ib colluding a purse and shoes. it's a very pain staking time for family members. we heard from egypt air that they'll be collecting dna samples from the living family members to try to match it with the remains that are collected to help with the identification process. we have been talking about some of the people that we have learned about including ahmed. he was living in france with his wife and child. he died on that plane. his wife and child now returned to cairo to participate in obviously the identification process here as well. we also learned of the canadian that left hers behind. egypt air for that matter says it's going to hold a memorial service for all of it's staff, flight crew, as well as the pilot and co-pilot that perished in that plane that went down over the mediterranean.

but in terms of concrete answers, still very few in terms of the on going investigation. officials here have been very tight lipped about what could have been the reason why the plane has gone down. the country still very much in mourning. a lot of the profiles of the passengers in all the local newspaper here. today there was a church service for one of the victims and no doubt this is a very difficult time as they continue to process and grieve what has happened to their loved ones. richard. >> thank you so much. nbc's aman there for us in cairo. we're joined by chief security officer. sean let's go straight to the video. we're just getting those pictures in today of the debris and when you look at the pictures here themselves, what could -- would you be able to tell if you're down there looking at all of these pieces? >> you know the physical evidence is such a critically

important piece of the investigation. investigators will be looking for any reminisces of residue, explosive residue and also be k look for how the aircraft actually impacted the water. did it break up in the sky over the water and flitter out across many miles or did it actually land intact? they'll be looking for the shell of the aircraft to see if there was an explosion. how that helped to shatter the aircraft. >> so sean, looks like we have a couple of dozen pieces of debris at least from this video. look at it specifically for me if you can what do you see if anything from this? >> you look at the life vest. they're typically stored underneath in a case and shell underneath the aircraft seat. that one perhaps was actually deployed which might indicate to investigators that the passengers had an opportunity to actually take them out and prepare them prior to the aircraft going down. >> and that's going to be part

of the key hours now and you may or may not be able to put them together. >> the smoke. at least two signals went off that indicated that there was smoke somewhere inside the plane. >> that's right. so two theories here of course. is there a sats trofcatastrophi mechanical failure or terrorist incident. the smoke doesn't make that determination. there was a small explosion intended to be a larger explosion that caused a fire. something of that nature. so that doesn't indicate whether it was terrorism or not. from an investigative perspective you have to pursue both lines of investigation simultaneously. you don want to lose the element of time. you have to select evidence as it's available and if you don't -- if you wait too long to start to go out and do interviews and look at video tapes you're going to lose key pieces of information. >> let's go back to that tick to be that we have right now that

came in and it shows here first of all the two indications of smoke. and then after that, it has the indications coming from the windows. i don't know if we can put that up again but it has the five key processes that happen. there it is. the fixed window sensor. and then i don't know necessarily what the other two are specifically. >> yeah. so from an investigative perspective you're talking about a three minute period of time. this system is streaming data when the faults go off. to look at the time line of the faults and the activity within the aircraft and the aircraft disappearing from radar. they're connected incidents. not clear if it's mechanical or terrorism but the smoke inside the cabin is indicative that something catastrophic happened. it may have been a fire or small explosion or electrical component. investigators will be interviewing and family members will be interviewing people on the ground. >> let's talk about that. people on the ground and family members right?

this plane hit four different countries in it's work day. not uncommon here for this aircraft in this part of the world. what would you be looking at? >> from a investigative perspective you want to look at opportunities somebody may have had to get something on board the aircraft. you're looking at people who are servicing the aircraft. maintenance people. those that are involved in the catering for example. who may have had an opportunity to get a payload into the aaircraft but you're also looking at viindividuals that m have had an opportunity to carry something on to the aircraft. you to look back over many countries and many days. one thing that makes this so complex is the time line and the number of opportunities over the course prior to this incident. >> the number of hands that touched it right? >> absolutely right. >> have touched this plane. so you could get one piece of information and you're an expert at this. you get one. what is that one piece of information that you're looking for next that might be in the

black boxes or might be physical? >> i think the voice recorders are going to be a key piece here. if there's smoke they're going to be discussing what happened whether they heard an explosion, somebody a crew member might have said, communicated there was an explosion or somebody may have seen flames coming out of the wall. >> we have to leave it here but i have to ask you here sean what is the i'm not too sure about what we're hearing about this part that you have seen so far in the data we've got? >> yeah, you know, i'm not really sure. this whole thing is so complex. we're still relatively short in the investigative period. we're just talking about just a couple of days here. stlost mu there's so much more. the most important piece is the physical evidence. debris from the plane and the two black boxes. you won't be able to rule out mechanical or terrorism at this point unless you get to the physical evidence that's going to be critical. >> thank you so much. sean henry the former executive

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himself back for his self-funded campaign as he called it so far. >> right now most of his campaign, $36 million is owns and these are owns that he could pay off with fund-raising money or convert them into donation. the door is open now for him to do either. but we have him an invitation to his first major fund-raiser. this is next week in california.

>> it's the first time he reached out publicly. it's a group of more than 1,000 leaders in california holding an annual event and for last night he, mr. trump, put a 2 to 3 minute video for this event reaching out to the community. here's some of what he said. >> we're going to stop drugs from pouring into our country. we're going to strengthen our borders. people are going to come into our country and come into a process. they'll come in legally but we're going to stop the drugs. national hispanic christian. three great words. we're going to take care of you.

we're going to work with you. you're going to be very happy. you're going to like president trump. he still has a lot to prove with them. some of those in the audience could be heard laughing and one of the leaders, the pastor said it would be a miracle though he's willing to listen for trump to gain the support of this group. >> outside of trump tower. thank you, jacob. for more now on the 2016 race i'm joined to the former aid and former spokesperson to george h.w. bush. we also have the deputy editor for yahoo! news and in washington doug, the former national press secretary to the democratic congressional campaign committee. the news that's coming in is during an interview on cnn with jake tapper, bernie sanders, sharpening his war of words with

the dnc. let's take a listen and i'll get your reaction. >> in florida, are you with him or are you with her opponent? >> well, clearly i favor her opponent. his views are much closer to mine than hers and let me also say this in all due respect to the current chairperson if elected president she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. doug what is happening and how

big of a deal is this for bernie sanders right now doubling down on his criticism and not being in sy, this c with the dnc. >> i don't think debbie wasserman-schultz has much to worry about. there's some animosity there based off of a sense that the system was rigged in some way. i think that's nonsense. the fact is is that all of these primaries and caucuses have been competitive. he won a lot. he lost a lot but i think bernie sanders is at the point in the campaign where he's trying to figure out, you know, why he's still in there and this gives him something to shoot at. gives his supporters something to motivate them with and i think that, you know, it's unfortunate that we're at this point but at the end of the day it's not going to really matter. >> doug, thank you. dan, when we look at this, is this a personal grudge or is

this an institutional grudge? because it could be a mix of both certainly? >> it probably is a mix of both. for people who know bernie sanders and who have worked with him on the hill and who respect him, they say he is an intensely competitive guy. he really wants to win. and so i think some of that is personal. and he's trying to harness the passion of his supporters. they have a lot of passion but they're not ultimately winning so he's trying to do everything he can to take that passion and try to get him to win in california and then to the convention to be able to have as much leverage as he can once he gets there. >> donald trump used to be in the space where the question was i don't think anybody is going to forget what he just said but

people are forgetting what he just said. in this case are people forgetting what he just said? bernie sanders now and debbie wasserman-schultz. >> it's fair to say that no election was more rigged. more obstacles put in the path of a candidate than what bernie sanders found in his path with regard to the chairwoman of the dnc and the dnc itself. the timing of debates. the number of debates. the delegate allocation process. he has a lot to complain about and his supporters have a lot to complain about and i don't think they'll forget when all is said and done with this primary. >> is this foreshadowing what we'll see during this convention. >> no, i don't think so. >> it's a very heated competition between clinton and obama and there's a lot of raw emotions there and when it was all said and done and it was over with president obama went on to have a landslide election

victory. so i think that, look on both sides, i think on the republican side it's not as if all things are okay. you've got them. and can't stand the idea of donald trump as their nominee and i think that look both parties are kind of in that phase where they're trying to c consolidate around the nominees. maybe it will happen in cleveland. i wouldn't want to be there approximate though. >> that was the sweetable statement there. when we look at the there's a theme out there that says behind the scenes. the sanders campaign they're ready come convention is what doug is saying here. they're going to come together. yet those actions are coming in words and not only interviews burt an intention to do more than come together. which of the two is it?

is it going apart or coming together? >> i think sometimes things have to go apart before they come together and i fundamentally at the end of the day agree with doug that the democratic party will come together and that most sanders voters at the end of the day will make a rational choice about the election. they don want to get -- for whatever, as much anger as they may have toward the establishment and toward hillary clinton right now, they don't want to get it and at the end of the day they will come home and for the most part they will support hillary clinton. the question is when that happens and whether there is a moment at the convention that allows for them to then start to come home. >> i know we're starting about elasticity of messaging, of platform and i will go to you on this and as we shift over to trump as we finish up the segment and that is he now as

you were hearing, there's a possibility that he could not approximate the guy that said i'm going to pay for my own campaign but he could be the guy that said i am going to let you and others pay for my campaign. can he walk back what he has been saying so consistently for months and months? >> he has for the duration. >> he has. >> so i don't know why this would be any different. >> right. >> he might have a board in the back just saying over under. >> the rules of gravity. the laws of nature do not apply to donald j. trump when it comes to electing a president in 2016. he's going to have to walk back that statement certain degree and already telegraphed that he's going to. and 2016. doug has actually given me the laugh chart there. i appreciate all three of you. and i appreciate all three of you. >> change of plans for u.s.

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is she correct? >> she is correct. so you have to remember a couple of things. one this is largely a mosquito transmitted disease. if you take your precautions and stay indoors to the degree that's possible you're going to be protected from transmission. >> the cdc this weekend, i was just mentioning that they're monitoring a certain number of women. does that number surprise you? what are you looking for in that piece of information that came from the cdc? >> so yesterday the cdc released the first of what are going to be weekly reports looking at zika virus cases in the united states. one thing that has been misreported by others in the media is we have seen a threefold increase in zika cases. what really happened is how the zika cases are being tested and reported so in the past cdc had only been reporting those that had symptoms and now everybody that tests positive and that's

that's where we see this shift at all as we get closer to the summer because it will get warmer. more humidity in some spaces. >> so our primary concern is for the gulf coast so everywhere from texas down to florida. and that's based on where the mosquitos are found throughout the year so that's the part of the country we're most worried about. >> if you talk about the gulf coast we're making it to texas and no farther west but it does have some the areas in the south there. they will have the right humidity and right mosquitos for

mosquitos. >> there's the possibility. when you look at the other maps shown there are so going farther north. even as far north as new york city a lot of it has to do with whether a related mosquito can transmit as well. one thing that is reassuring though is two of the viruss that are related to zika virus, we have only seen outbreaks of that really along the gulf coast. we expect zika to behave simi r similarly. >> one we want to see a peak in the number of cases but part of what it's doing -- >> you want to see a peak and then it come down and then you also a lot of what the cdc is doing is monitoring women that had infections during pregnancy to see what happens to their infants so that's the key information pause right now we know that there is a risk of other birth defects if a woman

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where the egyptian military made significant finds and released some video of the finds. the first images of the debris. the video starts with a small inflatable which has obviously been laufshlged from a larger vehicle and you can see in the front a naval officer picking something out of the clothing and shoes, bags, life preservers. there's no parts found in this. it's really quite significant for a number of reasons. first of all it will give investigators some idea of where the main body of the plane might be located. obviously there's strong currents and this debris will have moved several miles but it will help locate the main part of the plane. secondly they'll be looking at the debris itself to see are there any distinguishing

features. for example any scorch marks caused by fires. any smoke marks because we understand from that data relief that there was smoke at the very least in the plane's cockpit and thirdly we will understand possibly from this debris how big the debris field is because if they find another one 100 miles away then that could indicate that the plane, in fact, broke up in midair and did not enter the water intact. it would strongly suggest that the plane entered the water in one piece. it's around 5,000 square miles and you have u.s. search planes, three of those as well as french naval vessels and italian, greek and prbritish vessels all searching in the area so the search is intense but the seabed at that point is 10,000 feet deep. nearly 2 miles deep so really

the prospect of finding it or the black box flight recorders which are located in it's tail section. the chances of finding them soon is pretty remote but at the least, this about the smoke and the cockpit and this debris will be a start for investigators. the search today goes on. back to you richard. >> bill, thank you so much. reporting for us from cairo. >> we talked about these sorts of incidents many times in the past year and as you have seen the pictures of the new debris you also heard about the two reports of smoke being detected in a bathroom near the cockpit in another area. what stands out to you first. >> well, i consider this to be a major development in terms of what we know so far because it

depends on what kind of smoke it was. you don't have to have open flame to have an incredibly difficult thing to deal with. that insulation burning smoke can be very very difficult to deal with it. burns your eyes. you can't see and and you don't have a way of fighting it. it may be in terms of what's happening to your airplane. smoke in the cockpit is very very important. >> the ventilation system is enclosed and how would it filter out smoke if at all. >> it doesn't really filter it out. i suppose technically it does but it would take quite a lot of time and you'd have to have the source stop before you could get

anything to change this is a very scary situation. >> in the years of you being a pilot how many times did you have smoke in the plane. >> zero. absolutely zero. it's something you train for you have your oxygen masks and goggles and all kind of ways of dealing with it. we never did that in my plane. >> we're looking at three minutes before reports of smoke happened and then the plane unfortunately meeting it's end. three minutes was too short. 15 minutes might be typical before some system might be severely damaged and so he's looking at 3 versus 15. what's your sense of his analysis?

>> that's accurate to be looking at what in the world could be going on to create this result that fast. so, you know, this cockpit is almost directly over the come apartment where you have all kind of electrical items in there. that's part of the airplane and the nervous system and if the smoke was coming from there there's no way to do anything about it. besides that you don't have time. three minutes is in a way a very very fast result and it's a long time and a lifetime. you're going to go through all kinds of things trying to stop it. >> thank you so much. our aviation expert and former pilot. thank you for stopping by on saturday. >> my pleasure. >> break news right now to share with you coming from afghanistan. the pentagon confirming moment ags that a drone strike has been carried out targeting the leader of the taliban in afghanistan

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if you're watching democrats and division still appears to be there. >> absolutely. we're talking about a primary so he would prefer another democrat not choosing the republican. and there's been so much attention. of course debbie represents a district in florida and also serves as the head of the democratic party which puts her in a difficult perch representing her own district and constituents and the party. but they felt there were structural things that favor hillary clinton and not sanders. after he said this we received a comment i am confident that they

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welcome back. this week's nra convention saw voters of every stripe and every party descend on louisville kentucky and those voters could help decide the direction of the election. tony covered the convention and he had the chance to sit down with a lively round table of politically diverse gun owners. joins us right here at new york city. and it's quickly diverse and you can really see the political issue. and it's a political form and it's you can handle it a ban on

assault style weapons. there's a question of whether donald trump will go back on the promise. he was more like hillary clinton put do gun owners on that democratic side, do they trust her? do they think her positions have their interests in mind? so i sat down with a round table of them and i said will you come over to hillary clinton? will unity come to the forefront? and take a listen to what they said. >> i want to two to jetson and patrick. your bernie supporters. bernie is running out of room to lockup the nomination. he could be pushed out. if hilary is the nominee can you get behind her? >> that's the longest lever i ever pulled. >> you mean to vote for her

would be the longest lever you ever pulled. >> i'm in the same vote. >> that's not voting pr pro hillary, that's voting no trump. >> but you would pull it. it would take both hands. >> i might need my friend to come in and help. >> so hillary clinton has been saying gun owners support my policies when it comes to gun safety and it appears from that evidence they do but reluctantly. >> they do that here tony as you said very are you lureluctantly do you think is balancing it out for gun owners? >> when you're a democrat and you own guns you believe that the second amendment is a right and you want to keep it and there's moderate steps that could be taken to sure up the safety question. there's the assault weapons ban and there's also of course the gun show loophole. we'll be hearing a lot more about that as the camping season kicks off. >> more democrat than a gun owner is what they were saying but really, really close.

great stuff as always. appreciate it as always. thank you for joining us this afternoon. i'll be back with you tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. for the latest go to msnbc.com. date line on assignment is next. i want you to have a great saturday. stay with us.

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