idiosyncratic feelings about that. great to have you here, thanks to the panel. that does it for us. i am chris hayes. i will be back at 8:00 p.m. the film makers behind the movie "wienner" one of the best movies. it is tuesday. is it brains versus bravado? one candidate is on message and doing it by a specific play book, the other one is off the cuff and throwing the book out the window. trump's head versus his gut. this is mtp daily. good evening, chuck todd here in new york where the headquarters

of both presidential nominees or likely nominees, welcome to mtp daily. donald trump is digging up some of the nastiest, salacious things, he is out to focus on specific issues. we have a lot to get into. we have a republican primary in washington state tonight. 44 delegates are at stake and there's a democratic beauty contest in washington as well. polls close at 8:00 p.m. pacific, 11:00 eastern. we will have any results throughout the evening on the place for politics. let's start with tonight's take. the last 24 hours of attack between clinton and trump is a window into the soul of the very two different campaigns, likely an only enfor what's to come. yesterday trump released a video on instagram that includes voices of two of bill clinton's sexual assault accusers, kathleen willey and juanita

broderick. also monica lewinsky. in broderick and lewinsky, they didn't give permission for their voices to be used by trump. then trump went nuclear, digging up conspiracy theory from the '90s that the clintons murdered former white house aide and close clinton friend, vince foster. law enforcement ruled it a suicide and it was investigated nonstop in the '90s. "the washington post" writes trump called circumstances of foster's death, quote, very fishy. this is the trump campaign, shock and awe. it becomes a more traditional brawl over policy and substance. this is how he moves the headlines, attempts to move them from actual issues. like a lot of things trump says now, it also contradicts with what he said in the past. he is going for the jugular against bill clinton's infidelity. here's what he told chris matthews in 1998 about the same clinton rumors and scandals. >> why don't you run for

president. >> people want me to all the time. >> how about you? >> i don't like it. >> imagine how controversial i would be. him with the women, how about me with the women. can you imagine? >> might like the cigar. >> they might like me better, too. everything he says now you can find a contradiction somewhere in archives. fact checkers have dug up numerous instances where trump praised bill clinton and down played his issues with women. these contradictions have yet to hurt him. here's what he told me when i brought up this exact issue about statements he made praising hillary clinton. take a listen. >> which donald trump do we believe on your feelings for hillary clinton? 2012 or now? >> okay. so recently a magazine said donald trump is a world class business man. i am not looking to get in fights with politicians and fights with the secretary of state. somebody says three, four, five

years ago, look at hillary clinton, i say she's doing great. i say everybody is doing great. i am not getting into words with politicians because i hate politicians. >> there you have it. anything he said before, may have been true, may not have been true, may be what he thought, maybe not what he thought. bottom line, appears to be little that restrains his drive for shock and awe. the clinton campaign is take opposite approach, trying to hit him on a specific issue. they're out with a web ad that attacks trump's track record on the economy. trying to call out comments that trump made in a 2006 audio book for trump university where they say it appears trump is rooting for a real estate crash. >> i hope that happens. people like me would go in and buy. if there is a bubble burst as they call it, you can make a lot of money.

>> some many a real estate developer thinks of when it comes to bubbles. clinton escalated that attack during a campaign event in california. >> he said he was hoping for the crash that caused hard working families in california and across america to lose their homes all because he thought he could take advantage of it to make some money for himself. i'll tell you what, you and i together are not going to let him bankrupt america. >> moments ago trump responded to the clinton attack, saying in part, i am a businessman and i have made a lot of money in down markets. in some cases as much as i've made when markets are good. frankly this is the kind of thinking our country needs, understanding how to get a good result out of a very bad and sad situation. politicians have no idea how to do this. they don't have a clue. "the washington post" reports that the clinton campaign plans

a battleground blitz built on this specific line of attack. they may also seek trump's comments on the housing market as a way to reinforce calls to get trump to release his tax returns. they believe somehow he used real estate deductions and depreciations and frankly bubbles bursting as ways to get rid of taxable income. this is asymmetrical war father, trump is no holds bar, do whatever in the moment to win the cycle. clinton is taking a traditional shall plotting approach, lay the ground work now, hope you build a case as the campaign progresses, which strategy is going to work. think of it this way. this is a battle between cover of "new york post" and cover of "the new york times." the post is about sizzle, flashy story to grab eyeballs today. it makes a point. "the new york times" is not something that grabs you, it is

focused on substance, stories with long term impact. one thing for sure, it is election matchup between two mired in negativity. the brand new survey monkey poll shows similar findings at nbc "the wall street journal." clinton and trump separated by a few points in a head to head. support fueled by mutual disgust. six in ten dislike or hate hillary clinton. only 40% admire or like her. 63% dislike or hate trump, only 36% admire or like him. among trump supporters, single most important reason to support trump is because they, quote, oppose hillary. among hillary supporters, most important reason they support her is they oppose the donald. joined by chris collins. congressman collins, welcome back to the show. >> always good to be with you, chuck. >> look, you gave me, the reason you gave me to support trump was on the economic front, getting

tough on trade, almost taking a sledgehammer to our economic policy the last couple decades. do you think him going down the vince foster road is productive? >> you know, you go back to why i supported him, it is because he is a chief executive, not career politician. he is bringing jobs back. it is about the economy and also about securing the borders and making our nation safe in a very, very dangerous world. and i want to talk about the issues as the campaign moves forward, i think we're going to see a lot of things come out of the wood work, see personal attacks back and forth on both sides. i really don't have any comment to make -- >> i understand. but this is him, this is not supporters of him. this is him going down, these are totally debunk conspiracy theories, did it in the primary, linking ted cruz's dad to lee harvey oswald.

doesn't it eat at the main message that got you fired up? >> no question, i am fired up on the main message. other things that pop up in different interviews are a distraction i don't think the voters will pay attention to. they're paying attention to their pocketbook, the fact their wages haven't gone up in ten years, the world isn't safe, isis continues to threaten our very existence. these other things on the peripheral, whether it is mr. clinton's past with women that's now coming forward -- >> not his past, look, donald trump wants to bring it forward. my question to you is isn't it distracting from the larger message? >> well, mr. trump has been attacked by clintons and the democrats for a year now on all manner of issues, whether they're appropriate or not. one thing we know about mr. trump, when you punch him, he is going to punch back and

hard, you're going to see that on both sides, chuck, as we move forward. it is going to be call it an interesting year. we don't know what the road will look like, but politics can be a blood sport. >> i know, but there's always accepted lines, right? you know, you're not going out of your way to say an untruth, to pass on a rumor because if you don't have it corroborated, usually you get your head bitten off. he does it more often than others do, but would you advise him to steer it back? >> i'm always going to advise, if somebody goes down in the dirt, you're going with him, certainly the clintons have done that and the press has on issues that are inappropriate, dragging things out from 25 years ago on mr. trump and the like, so you know, donald trump is a fighter. i think his supporters like the

fact that he is a fighter, he doesn't just stand there and take a punch. again, the most current issue, i heard it on the periphery, i haven't studied that. i am focused on the issues. all of us want to stay on the issues, but i think we also all know as the $2 billion that will be spent between both sides in the next six months is spent, it is probably going to get ugly. >> one other quick thing. you have a couple of things hitting in congress. number one, do you want more money for zika or do you think what you have on the republican side is enough? >> on zika, chuck, here's the thing. the president asked for $1.9 billion for 18 months. by reappropriate ating new zika funds, we get $1.2 billion for four and a half months, that takes us through september 30th. we're giving the president more money than he asked for, it is an apples and oranges timing. we're giving 1.2 billion to get

through the next four and a half months, which is more than he asked for, and funds for next year will be part of the on-going appropriation process today. we're providing funding that is needed but we asked for the president to provide us a game plan, where is the money going, vaccines, treatment, dealing with the mosquito issue. we are fully behind fighting this very ugly virus called zika. >> fair enough. chris collins from western new york. republican trump supporter. thanks for coming out. appreciate it. >> very good, chuck. the other side, joined by clinton campaign press secretary brian fallen. welcome back. you heard trump's response to the hit with him on real estate. isn't that why he won the nomination, why voters are attracted to him, that when things are bad, he is looking for a way to make money, isn't that the type of thinking voters think they're getting with him? why isn't that a good asset for

him? >> i don't know how to react to that statement from donald trump. what was exposed was at the height of the mortgage crisis, he was openly rooting for -- >> i sort of hope, i don't mind, is that rooting? >> look, if he is making -- >> you're making a leap. >> i think he owned it in his response. he wants to make the point that the answer to making america great again is greed, bigotry, misogyny, if he puts the chips on those qualities, we will take the other bet in this election. >> i think he is saying when there are downturns, there are opportunities. for instance, if there's zero interest rates, good time to borrow money, build bridges. that would be what some argue that the federal government should have been doing. >> i think that the reason this is important, it is another aspect we're exposing donald trump as not the guy he says he

is. he is not someone going around championing the cause of working class americans, not making wages rise. he is only interested in donald trump. that's why his name is on every building, he is hiding tax returns to prevent anyone seeing what he is worth and how successful his businesses are. he continues to support tax policies that give him a huge tax cut, that's why he is preventing increasing minimum wage. this is a guy going around, trying to act like he is the answer to the problem for middle class workers that haven't seen a raise in 20 years, he is not. these are not his interests and concerns. >> trade policies, if he goes to where he wants to go with china and start a trade war with china, that hurts his bottom line personally, that's not good business for him. >> he has no explanation howl deal with aftermath of the trade war it would spark. hillary clinton put forward concrete trade policies that ensure that we are not any

longer exporting jobs, that we make sure we protect wages at home. she has detailed plans to do it. he continues to fly by the seat of his pants. that's why he represents a risk we can't afford on domestic and foreign policy. >> ken starr in "the new york times" was quoted today, at a conference about presidents and the law and the constitution, and he seemed to regret length and focus of the investigation, not the investigation completely, but length and focus of it, even lamenting, noting that staffers and other staffers wonder geez, did it force the clinton take their eye off the ball and osama bin laden. have you gotten secretary clinton's reaction on that? >> no. i think what his comments reflect, in retrospect, a lot of people regret undue focus that surrounded some of these rumors and allegations in the 1990s, even peter king, republican congressman from long island is quoted in "the washington post"

suggesting he doesn't understand for the life of him why donald trump wants to go down this road, newt gingrich and the republican congress tried it in 1998 to a bad outcome. i don't think there's any up side for donald trump. i think you have people like rick wilson coming out, saying we tried this, tested it, doesn't work. that's why bill o'reilly is saying to stay away from this attack. it is an appeal to "new york pos post", i don't know how it improves his standing with hispanics or women, any attributes in the poll in "the wall street journal" the other day showed the highest negatives of any general election candidate. >> do you feel as if hillary clinton needs to respond, to at least explain why she forgave her husband? >> chuck, i think the country remembers the issues, recognize them as having been litigated.

she has written two auto biographies, given interviews where she talked about it back to 2003, asked about it in 2000 senate debates. she answered it multiple times. >> you feel she owes no more explanation, period? >> i don't think the public is clamoring for this to be relitigated, that's why i think it is a failed strategy on donald trump's part. >> thank you, sir. thanks for coming in. let me go to "the washington post" chief correspondent dan ball. i know we all expected a day like this to happen, that this would be the new normal for the next five months. it is two radically different strategies they're going to be using as i outlined. your thoughts? >> i agree completely and have written about the same thing, that you have a candidate in hillary clinton as conventional as possible who wants to run a

traditional campaign based on everything that the campaign strategists learned in the last several cycles. you have in donald trump somebody that operates by instinct, who is looking at the race in a totally different way, who thinks about communication i think a totally different way, and is prepared to say and do outrageous things on a regular basis if not to win every particular news cycle, but keep it churning. to keep everybody off balance. i think he is trying to do whatever he can to force people to think about whether they want the clintons back in the white house. she's trying to do everything she can to block him from having any support, particularly among women and college educated women. i think that everything both sides are doing goes to the core issues. >> dan, there's a group of voters that what are they going to do, they get drama with the clintons, that's what they

think, and by october that's what trump will have convinced them of, or crazy drama with him if he gets in there. that there isn't going to be this steadiness or that we will break the fever that has polarized washington. >> oh, i think that's absolutely right. we've seen that coming for some months. i think both your recent poll and our recent poll underscore the degree to which people have a totally negative view about this, that they don't like either candidate, they're voting against the opponent rather than for their own candidate, at least a significant percentage are, and that they're approaching with an unhappy choice, but they have to make a choice. some may stay home, some people will hold their nose, we will see where it end up in november. >> that's the thing i have in my head now, dan, i will thank you, leave it there. i was convinced voter turnout would be record high. if we go five months of this, i don't think so.

dan, who knows. >> we'll see. >> thanks very much. bernie sanders continues to keep the heat up on hillary clinton and the democratic party. we will dig into some of his comments about what he calls a potentially messy convention ahead. in washington, new call for head of veteran's affairs to resign. is this a d.c. distraction at its utter worst? keep it here.

you want to know why bernie sanders is asking for recanvas, not recount in kentucky. look at the math of the day. hillary clinton won the kentucky six which contained lexington and frankfort by a margin of 515 votes, and she got just 130 more votes than sanders in the fourth district, cincinnati suburbs in the northern part of the state. kentucky was a very tight race. clinton is still what we classify an apparent winner, just 1900 more votes than

sanders. the deadline for recount in kentucky came and went this afternoon. the sanders petitioned for recanvas. checking the math. thursday the state will add up the votes again to make sure there were no glitches, an accidental one carried or didn't, etc. they did it last year after the gubernatorial, so why did sanders pick it? it comes down to money. recanvas is free, recount is paid for by the requesting campaign, probably not something the sanders campaign can afford. regardless of the outcome, recanvas plays into his narrative that the electoral process is somehow rigged against him. we may be talking a net of two delegates. be right back. y says: "i'm tired." or, "i'm hungry." what if your body said something else might be wrong? gynecologic cancers - cervical, ovarian

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more power the more outrageous his rhetoric grows, it seems we are not in a post political correctness world after all. this week saw lawmakers on both sides get their sense of righteous indignation up, wrapping themselves in the flag following these comments from the veteran's affairs secretary robert mcdonald. >> we should be measuring the veteran's satisfaction. what really counts is how does the veteran feel about their encounter with the va. when you go to disney, do they measure the number of hours you wait in line? what's important. what's important, what's your satisfaction with the experience. and what i would like to move to eventually is that kind of measure. >> well, a wave of manufactured outrage and some of it real washed over mcdonald in the day since those inartful comments made headlines. the national commander of american legion blasted mcdonald saying people don't die waiting

for space mountain. donald trump tweeted obama's va secretary says we shouldn't measure wait times. new hampshire senator kelly ayotte said she was shocked and outraged by the comparison. missouri senator roy blunt went as far as calling for his resignation. today in an interview with andrew mitan andrea mitchell, he said the following. >> if i was misunderstood, i am glad i have the opportunity to correct it. i am focused on one thing, better caring for veterans. that's my job. that's why i'm here. >> he released a statement at va we take our mission of caring for those who shall have borne the battle very seriously. we have the best and most noble mission in government. if my comments monday led any veterans to believe that i or the dedicated work force i am

priftd to lead don't take that noble mission seriously, i deeply regret that, nothing could be further from the truth. thousands of vets were on wait lists and managers were hiding delays, with up to 40 deaths linked to waiting issues. he was confirmed unanimously in attempt to clean up the va. how serious is this for him? talk to one veterans group, john sults, an organization that supports more democrats than republicans. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> no veterans organization called for secretary mcdonald to resign because of these comments. why not? >> i mean, i think this is a joke, a one day story in the press. the mistake the va made was not releasing a direct, quick

apology for being misunderstood. the secretary since he replaced shinseki, look at the pure statistics, wait lists are down, backlogs of claims, unemployment for iraq and afghanistan veterans, way down. when you look at his track record, the metrics for the new secretary is very strong and i think that's why you saw senator mccain say listen, i think it was a stupid thing to say, but i don't think he should resign. >> what do you make of those that called for him to resign? do you think there's cause and what's your interpretation? >> my interpretation of roy blunt, a candidate we actively support in missouri, served in afghanistan, current secretary of state, was rating a lot of money against roy blunt. roy blunt has been exposed as someone that lied about draft affirmance, came out three

months ago in missouri, he is someone that didn't serve in vietnam and somebody who obviously feels vulnerable on military and veterans issues because for 40 years said he had draft deferments he never had. >> is not serving in vietnam a reason not to be in office? >> not at all, but in senator blunt's case, he feels exposed that he lied about deferments, said he was in college when in actuality he didn't just have a high lottery number, he had two to three deferments he didn't tell anyone about. >> back to second mcdonald, what was slow in response there, were you outraged the minute you saw it or outraged after other people were outraged? >> i am still not outraged. what's happened since the president made this change, and it was a change, this was a decision the president made to replace shinseki, call it what it is, things improved at the

va. doesn't mean things are perfect. but what caused that scandal in arizona where veterans couldn't get seen by doctors, i was not enraged, what you have is someone that's not a politician. he is from private business, a veteran, not a politician that served in other places in the administration. he made a mistake. i shook my head and said this is a stupid thing to say, but it is not reflection of the job he has done. that's why senator mccain said it was a dumb thing to say, but of course i don't want him to resign. >> part of me wonders if it goes to our -- i thought one thing that we might get past now in the era of donald trump is that a little stupid thing that's said isn't suddenly a career ender. perhaps that's what we are learning from this scandal, supposed scandal. >> obviously donald trump is at some level hard to dent, but i think this will be over tomorrow. this statement just released by the secretary should have been released this morning or

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will the convention be messy? >> of course it will be. that's what democracy is about. if you use the word messy, it means people will be engaged in vigorous debate. we don't have that often in the united states, but that's what a convention is about. >> bernie sanders talking to my

colleague, kristin welker. isn't backing down, insisting he has a path to victory and rejects the idea that he is hurting clinton's chances against donald trump in november. >> how can you argue that this battle isn't in some way hurting her in the general election. >> first of all, if we take your assumption, clinton supporter assumptions, we should back to monarchy and not have elections at all. >> clinton and sanders are in california ahead of the june 7th primary. sanders is out with a new ad targeted at california. >> what choice to californians have? you have the chance to choose a new direction for the democratic party. it is a long way to washington but send them a message they can't ignore. >> sanders dedicated supporters says it will impact well beyond this contact.

progressive and liberal were words the party steered away from. in the 2000 primary, al gore faced off with bill bradley who embraced the liberal label. >> do you reject the notion that you are a liberal and do you believe someone that holds fundamentally liberal views is a disadvantage running for president? >> whatever you want to call it, liberal, progressive, i'll accept whatever label, because that's what i am, that's what i am presenting to the american people. the issue is how strong are you willing to hold your convictions. >> joined by former senate and baz hall of famer, bill bradley. it was considered an attack line. my how things changed in 16 years in the democratic party. >> they have changed. i think idealism, energy, very specific program to help people in this country, very legitimate

and it is there today. i give bernie credit for his idealism and his energy and for laying this agenda out there. a lot of people are hurting even more now than in 2,000 and need somebody to reach down, give them hope, and i think he has done that. i think senator clinton has done that, too. >> it is interesting, watching sanders versus clinton, there are a lot of comparisons to you and gore. he was the establishment, you were the outsider. he was more in the establishment lane, you were running to his left a bit as we noted with that clip and you were frustrated, i think your campaign was frustrated, didn't feel as if things were totally fair all the time. what do you say to senator sanders, that's the feeling they have now. they're angry, upset, but know it is coming to an end. >> take a deep breath, understand what you already accomplished, understand what you might want to do in terms of party rules, et cetera, and then get behind the nominee.

this is a very important election. i think it is probably the most consequential election in my lifetime. >> we say that every four years. >> we never had a donald trump. we never had someone who has been so divisive over so many things. i look at donald trump and i say who do you trust with your life? i think people ask themselves that question. i don't trust my life with donald trump. i don't trust him with his finger on the nuclear button. how impulsive he has been through the campaign, you need steadiness if you're president of the united states. >> i imagine as new jersey senator you had plenty of interactions with donald trump, one form or another, and as a prominent new yorker you've had interactions with him. is this the same guy you've known for 30, 40 years, or is he different? >> i've never had any interactions with donald trump. >> none at all?

>> clearly new jersey, i certainly know donald trump and my tax reform act in 1986 is what almost bankrupted him. >> explain that. you were behind tax reform in '86. why did that almost bankrupt him? >> because he is a below average real estate developer who almost went bankrupt because he got addicted to real estate tax shelters, and that means paying no tax. and we ended that in 1986. he called it a at thcatastrophe >> it hurt his bottom line. >> definitely. if you built your empire on tax shelters, and it is gone. >> a lot of benefits real estate developers get. >> i am sure. >> how much, the speculation has been that's what he doesn't want to show. can you get so many tax breaks

the way you understand the tax code, there's probably no better person i can find to do it, that you can pay zero, that your% of tax rate on income could be zero because you make your income seem negative? >> it is much more difficult to do now than before 1986, but not impossible to do. i think the question is is he worth $10 billion. he says he is. the only way we know that is if he reveals income tax returns, shows how much not only in the last year. >> is it a bill deal, 2 billion or 10? i mean, do you think that matters? just throwing it out there. >> i think people are working hard, paying taxes. they would like to know as a person that seeks to lead them also doing his fair share. people i know want change out there. i can take a gun, shoot myself in the foot. that's change, not change for

the better. i think that the country will shoot itself in the foot with trump. >> certainly would slow your first step down. let me ask you one quick thing. your name was attached to independent candidacies in decades past. you hear talk of recruiting a third party candidate because there's so many people that have dislike to clinton and trump. would you ever take those phone calls? >> personally, no. those days are over. >> do you think there should be? would you like to see one? >> i read the newspapers that there will be a progressive movement, that people are going to -- my view is go do it. if it's a democracy, no reason it should be a duopoly. the difference between talking about it and doing it is vast. >> bill bradley, former senator. thank you. >> thank you. a lot more mtp daily after this.

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time for the lid. welcome to you all. all right. i'm going to try to accomplish two topics. congresswoman, i understand why trump does some things day in and day out, but how does this advance his economic argument? on the clintons. >> they don't. they clearly can be quite striking and effective. what people need to hear are the real differences he could easily exploit between what he's proposing on tax relief and what hillary clinton is proposing. >> he ducked them during the

primaries too. he's also a fast learner. he's going to realize this kind of approach will cause that damage to him. >> that's interesting. >> any time we think he's going to learn and start being presidential, it turns out he isn't going to. i think he needs to take a hint from kenneth star who has nothing but nice things to say about bill clinton and hillary clinton. they aren't really relevant in this election cycle. >> i think he's trying to deflect the fact that he's kind of vacuous. >> watching these campaigns, they're going to message past each other. there's no doubt. the question is what are the voters hearing. >> my question is can donald

trump really sustain this for five and a half months. we're this may and already at vince foster. >> ke can argue he sustained it for 11 months. >> thoost true. i'm interested to see if it becomes the ping-pong game. he will run out of thing, new topics of the day. i also think the clinton campaign doesn't know how to handle it. the way they have decided to approach it is to never engage on what they deem to be personal attacks. they don't personally attack trump. you don't hear them going after his private life. that's because they are following this own rule they have said for themselves that they're not going to engage in his personal attacks. >> there's also more of a method to this. is he worried about his own past? >> i don't think so. i think he's pretty blunt about his past experiences. his style is to knock his opponents on their heels and say the things that are --

>> and hope they take the bait. >> and hope they take the bait. even if they don't, it lingers in the public mind in some way. >> he knows he has a problem with him. how do you go after the person who would be the first woman president. you have to change the minds of women. >> is there a point where hillary clinton is going to have to address this again? how many times she's addressed it but the one argument counter to that is well, there's a new generation of voters that may be hearing about this stuff pr the first time. >> maybe won't take the bait and be that interested in it. i think the closer get to the general, people will demand, even people who are kind of curious about this thing, donald trump, where he stands on the issues. i don't think it will be as easy for him to get away with completely ducking any substance and not having any thought out plans of how he would run this country. i think the people will demand

it. i believe that the american people want a little bit of substance from their presidential candidates. >> i think we'll look back on this. >> maybe i'm wrong on this, we'll look back on this weekend thing. i want to quickly turn to this, i think it's a faux controversy for bob mcdonald. you worked at the va. there's inherent problems in that. did he say anything that was fireable? >> fireable, no. definitely he is expressing a certain attitude that is pervasive within the va if you will. it's static and not capable of adapting to the urgent needs of veterans and not needing the urgent needs. for his comment to verify that

at the very top of the va, we're not worried about keeping veterans when veterans are dying because they are waiting. definitely not what you want to hear. >> did seem like the typical washington overreaction. >> that's what the give away on that one was let's change the subject. i got to leave it there. thank you. we'll be back tomorrow. "with all due respect" starts right now. so you think you're a '90s fan. can you handle this? they were the best of friends but now is donald bluffing or is he holding a full house? >> deal me in. >> will hillary will saved by the bill or can donald exploit those not so wonder