ask your dermatologist about otezla today. otezla. show more of you. good afternoon. i'm chris hayes here in new york. it is a a busy day in the state of california. donald trump, bernie sanders and hillary clinton all holding events there in the last two hours. trump still going right now in anaheim, a day after violent protests at his rally in new mexico, or at least extremely spirited ones. today, the real estate billionaire went after his democratic candidate hillary clinton, his attacks were timely after this morning's news. an audit revealed hillary clinton broke the state deputy's protocols and rules by using her own private e-mail server. let's go to jacob wrasse cone who is outside the trump rally among the protesters. jacob, what's the scene like there? >> reporter: outside this event in anaheim, what we're seeing

now are some clashes between the trump supporters and protesters here just within the last half hour. we had a group of protesters show up that was a lot different than the ones we've been seeing who have been more peaceful. these have their faces covered. they don't want to give their names. they don't want to say where they are from. and they started out by ripping up a bunch of trump signs and they are more aggressive in pointing and yelling, even spitting. and they are telling people to come out, be next to them so they can maybe get into fight. these are the type of protesters that we saw in albuquerque, for example, but many more of them in albuquerque. we saw maybe a couple hundred people with their faces covered who didn't want to give their names, who were there trying to pick a fight with police. that's type of protester that when it gets out of control, they are the ones that start throwing rocks. they start getting really aggressive. for the most part, the protesters are peaceful wherever we go. but it's this type of protester -- we'll show you

here, with the face covered, those who don't really want to talk about where they are from but who basically say f donald trump, f donald trump. that's the type of protester we usually see some problems. chris? >> trump still talking inside the. anaheim a majority latino city. trump today talking to that crowd to build the fwraul inside while they were literally surrounded almost by protesters. news on hillary clinton's e-mail. a state department audit found hillary clinton violated rules through use of her private e-mail while she was secretary of state. brian fallon put out a statement that read in part the inspector general documents just how consistent -- >> we'll bring with brian fall non-a moment. reince priebus tweeting earlier the stakes are too high to entrust the white house to someone with so much poor

judgment and reckless disregard for the law. let's turn to the intelligent and national security reporter for msnbc news. ken i've been through most of the report. my take away was they are saying this was not according to the rules of state department, and also more broadly, the state department's own rules around this are kind of a disaster. >> yeah, chris, that's right. the top line conclusion was at a minimum secretary clinton should have surrendered all e-mails dealing with the department before leaving office. therefore she violated federal recordkeeping rules. they also pointed out so did collin powell and other elected officials. there are some striking thing in this report, chris, including revelations that people inside the state department have been -- >> looks like we maybe just lost ken there. maybe we can get him back in a little bit. let's bring in today's panel.

we have msnbc political analyst elise jordan. matt welch, terra narcoticel, she was once a contestant on the apprentice. i don't know why that's relevant to what's going on to today's world. and author of the wilderness and sing you lumbarly responsible for donald trump running for president. >> twice in the last 20 minutes. >> just google that. i don't know what to make this report frankly. to me, basically -- there is a distinction between rule breaking and law breaking which seems to be a salient one. you do things that are not the way the deputy would have you do them. that's one set of infractions. you do things that violate the law, that's another set of infractions. we're only really getting a determination from the ig report on that first category today. i don't know, i'm not sure what

my judgment is of that. anyone else. >> i think that one of the questions if you are analyzing it that way, why are the rules in place and what are the stake of the rules? i haven't finished the report but they get into the issue of the rules themselves being haphazard. >> yes. >> and not well -- well understood or well applied. you know, there is this whole question of like whether -- how secure these e-mails are in general and how these rules -- whether they need to be totally overhauled. maybe that will be the take away is that the state department figures it out. >> you worked in this space before, right? there is two issues, record keeping and classification, right? >> right, maybe now the systems are more up to date but back when i was at the state department we had two computers, we had high side and low side. low side was the unclassified and the high side was the classified. and you really couldn't -- i couldn't copy and paste something from a classified

document and send it in an unclassified document. the interesting thing in the report today was more gross incompetence of the state department and how they have no handle of what is happening at any time and how there are all these cumbersome rules and what do they rule rules mean. i remember going to one of those workshops about recordkeeping thinking this is a waste of my time and going to my sign out hearing the speech where i needed to give away anything that was an spishl record, et cetera, et cetera. i told the government i didn't have anything, i don't have anything. but clearly secretary clinton didn't do that. >> here to me is what the -- the context of this from the beginning it seemed to me of the story is this. today sort of confirmed that. the rules around disclosure -- right? i mean that's what the center of this is. the center is they are public records. the public owns those records and the public should have those records and they may be used in the future and might be released

right now. basically clinton's inner circle, someone said is it within the rules if we do it this way and we take the chop stick and we bend it a lot? the question is did they breaket or not. >> right. >> right. >> this was in a gray area of one reading of the rule says yes you can do that as long the public ones are given back to the government. >> right. >> another interpretation is that, no, this is a gross violation of the protocol. and seemed like the ig said they broke the rules. >> when it first came out, she repeated i've gone above and beyond what was required i have done exactly what my predecessors have done. the report says you can't make an apples to apples comparison because there are further rules. there is an atmosphere and she hasn't gone above and beyond disclosure. and this is how she has handled all kinds of transparency requests throughout her career. she has been opaque. >> people say this about her.

and i don't get that. there is this idea she is uniquely secretive in some way. seriously, people make this case, what's the evidence that hillary clinton conducts herself that's not uniquely non-transparent. >> set up the server. >> this is just one point in a long career. and multiple plot points of this behavior, which i never see the evidence for. >> well, i worked in government, too, like elise did. i'll say there is no government official that wants to be super transparent. i mean, for better or for worse. >> the rules force you to. why rules are important. >> exactly why rules are important. it's not like she is part of some elite group of people who have chosen to be less transparent. i mean, i think it is a general issue within government -- that's something the government has always grappled with. i think, though, when you look back at the history of this, it started because she wanted to use her blackberry. and the blackberry was tethered to a private server. and everyone before her had done the exact same thing. >> if you are a regular

employee, i you get two phones, state department phone. >> and everyone deals with night yes, that's the normal way to deal with it. >> i think the pattern you are asking about often comes from reporters who are covered the clintons for a long time. >> oh -- they hate the reporters. let's be clear about that. >> that feeds into this lack of transparency idea. they go above and beyond to keep reporters as far away from them as possible. >> politicians in general have that reflex. and clintons are especially famous for it. >> my pont, this is sort of official policy, you look at the obama administration and there is the great sully view, margaret sullivan who is sort of the ombudsman for the times and the washington post, she has the obama administration has been terrible on transparency. that gets more to your point. i don't see clinton in the course of her public career having some record that places

her in some special particular category of non-trants parent. >> she has been the target of a ton of investigations over time. travel gate, and anyone here can even mention who travel gate is? who knows? who cared -- but, but her response to requests for transparency of travel gate were foot dragging at the time, and she also made the claim at the time, which she does every time one of these things flare up, i've gone above and beyond the requirements. i've been the most transparent. so she is depicting herself in hop sigs to what she has been, and he has been doing that for a while. >> let's say this. in the case of these e-mails, you are right there are no apples to apples comparisons. so her case -- and i don't necessarily buy it, but the case here is that the public release -- the process they went through, was unlike anything that had been undertaken before. that's true because no one set up a private server with the sophistication that had. they say they went through to comply specifically with this

idea of complyians to go through these e-mails and saying these are public and these are private and releasing all the public ones. that was unprecedented. it's the fruit of the rotten tree which is that the whole thing was unprecedented. >> transparency is obviously is good thing. i want to make thatter cloo. i'm not saying government officials should not be transparent. >> but, where's the but. >> but she has been the subject of a very different standard in terms of the media and how she has been treated by the media. and she has also been subject to the levers of government using political purposes against her. i'm not excusing her breaking the rules because she has been found to have broken the rules. what i'm saying is look at the whole context. >> travel gate is the perfect example. the chicken and egg. no one can name the scandal, firing the travel secretary of the white house, which it's unclear why that was a violation

of anything. >> the server will. >> i reacquainted myself with that scandal recently. but that said, that's the perfect example. from their perspective, they have been a source of witch-hunts. >> here's where they aren't being held to a different standard, when it comes to dealing with classified materials. she is being treated the same way that general petreus, whoever leaked the afghanistan troop memo. all the things that were leaked by high level officials and scoot free, nothing happened. >> when we move from rule breaking to laws, the place where we encounter law breaking is almost certainly around classification. there you make a good point, which is what is the proper comparative set? is the proper comparative set any line person leaking classified or mishandling which isified or other fellow elites? because we've seen people leak stuff in washington all the time to sv their interests and no one ever gets punished, except in

rare cases. >> when there is slktive prosecution when the power want too prosecute. >> that's the problem is the comparison field here of what would be fair treatment is totally screwed. do you see what i'm saying. >> what would be the fairest way to deal with what is possibly -- >> the mishandling process. >> exactly. >> we can't do foyer requests of what we don't have. she violated the spirit of basic american transparency. >> i agree with the spirit. >> you shouldn't trust them -- you shouldn't trust them or frankly any government official to be responsible for going through thur their own e-mails and deciding which ones should be handed over to the government and which shouldn't. >> that clearly should not be allowable. >> a new and emerging issue that came out related to this because it came out in hoya are the gifts hillary accepted. there is $500,000 worth of jewels given by the saudis that

haven't been accounted for. there is a vault where they put the governments they can't accept. this is why foyer is important. why transparency is important. >> why are the saudi's handing out jewels. >> you will get unsolicited governments. i was in the governor's office and i got roses. >> something you want to tell us? >> it's actually hard to return all of that. so we had to actually have a space. and we just put it all in one place. >> there is a gift protocol. when people talk about red tape, bureaucracy, all this bureaucracy, that's why there is bureaucracy. right? the funny thing is there is an aversion here. which is the idea they cut through the red tape by having her private server.

i am a sure that was a lot easier, as are many thing in life if you side step the protocols. >> ignore the rules. >> but a lot of bureaucracy is there for a reason, things are made give difficult because of a reason. >> they original because issues occurred. >> i don't think we will see another secretary of state set up a private server. >> depending on what the transparencies are. >> still to come, brian iffon will join us for more on this state department audit. that's coming up. ♪ [engine revs] ♪ ♪ [engine revving]

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puts on an ad, did you know that donald trump was rooting against housing because he wanted housing to go down because he wanted to buy -- and they've got some clip of me from many years ago where i'm saying yeah if it goes down i'm going to pitch i'm businessman. that's what i'm supposed to do. >>is a business man. that's donald trump beating back hillary clinton's attacksn for making an ad about 2006 comments. from a rally today in buena park, california, here's hillary clinton with the rebuttal. >> he said profiting off working people losing their homes would be a, quote, good result. so a good result in donald trump's world is he gets his, and you get hurt. >> all right. let's take it to the table. >> i actually -- i think this

could work. i remember there was a period toward the end of the primary where the republican campaign started to realize trump university might have legs. >> he rips off ordinary people. not like sheiks or china. >> their his creditors. >> the way he positions himself, he rips off working class people it's also interesting to me, though, this is essentially the message that pom obama used against hit romney, there is more to work with with trump. it is remarkable given everything that trump has done in this campaign it's possible the democratics are going to do the same thing we did in 2012. >> three thoughts. one is in the top 100 crazy offensive things he said i'm not sure this cracks the top 100. keep in mind the guy wants to ban muslims. but that is -- impossible owedious policy position for

someone to hold. infathombly terrible. that said, i also think from a metapoint, whatever the substance of it is, it's interesting to see the full democratic party engage the fuselage against them. it shows you how uncoordinated trump was. >> and still is. >> today elizabeth warren gives a speech. and the republicans say shame, shame. and then hillary clinton -- it's all on this one quote. >> i don't think trump is going anywhere. he is a real estate guy in business. it's when you con people, when you say sign up for my thing. >> stay tuned for that. >> there is touch university and then we have a piece tonight about this multilevel marketing amway vitamin thing in which you peaed in a jar -- i'll not making this up.

a classy trump branded jar. >> this is more effective. you used your imin a, symbol, to hood wink people out of stuff you knew was trash. >>. [ overlapping speakers ] >> do they blame it on donald trump. >> it has more visceral appeal when you hear a rich guy rubbing his hands together excitedly, expectantly about the housing crisis. >> let me play -- elizabeth warren has been an example the sort of united fuse lot. take a look at elizabeth warren. have we got elizabeth warren? we don't. elizabeth warren also -- >> let's hear it now. >> you got it now? let's play it. >> what kind of a man roots for people to get thrown out of their house? what kind of man roots for people to get thrown out of their jobs, to root for people who lose their pensions? a small, insecure money grubber

who doesn't care who gets hurt so long as he makes a profit off it. >> one thing is for sure. elizabeth warren is really enjoying herself. genuinely. genuinely she seems to relish and enjoy in a veserral -- in the same veserral way donald trump seems to relish and enjoy attacking people. >> warren warn -- elizabeth warren represents everything he stands again. literally 100%. if she is trying to rally the democratic party, this is an effective attack in doing that. >> that's a good point. we have been evaluating all this in general election terms. even donald trump the whitewater craziness that he has been doing with the '90s stuff, i think that's as much about consolidating the right as it is a general election play. people love -- a certain part of

the right wing base loves when you go after her. >> this is probably why part of this message didn't work in the primaries. in 2012 a lot of people tried the bane stuff in the primaries and it didn't catch on. >> that was much more difficult to make the case. they ended up doing it with staples. all these people lost their jobs because of staples and mitt romney did that. >> other way around. >> in die sething private equity deals. look at trump, he was telling old people to pea in a jar. >> wait for that tonight. that's a good tease for tonight. joining me now, brian fallon, press secretary for the clinton campaign. let me ask you about the ig report first. the case here, and sort of a mark on your side of the ledger here is it concluded that collin powell behaved in a similar way. there is also an ambassador that essentially has done this. but there is a line that says look you can make an apples to apples comparison because the

rules developed since the time powell occupied that position in the state department. >> well, thanks for having me, chris. first of all, we're glad that this report has finally concluded, that the review is conclude. it moves us one step closer to resolving theert ma. for while we have known we had the state ig report awaiting us and also a. >> laer review being conducted by the justice department. to have this complete moves us one step closer to resolving it so we can focus on the issues that really matter. we think there is a lot in this report that krob rates what we've been saying all along. it won't just collin powell who made use of eem for work purposes. the report concludes 90 some officials continually used personal e-mail for work purposes. that includes secretary clinton, top aids under condi rice as well as secretary kerry himself before he actually became the first secretary in history to

have a state.gov e-mail candidate. this use was permitted at the time she took over. a lot of the rules that evolved happened after she left. >> this to me is one of the key parts about preserving private record. sending e-mails to others at private e-mails accounts is not appropriate. does the clinton campaign hadv a comment about the appropriateness of the state department rules. >> of course she treated preservation of records as something very important. her style of meeting that objective was to make a routine habit of copying somebody or forwarding an e-mail so it would be preserved on the still. what we know now but didn't know then is that the state deputy's record keeping and electronic it systems were in such a poor

state when the state department looked back and should be able to locate the records she had copied to aides routinely, they weren't able to fine them. at that point she made 55,000 pages of e-mails available to the state department. in total when you combine if activities she undertook when she was in place as secretary, of copying people, plus turning over printed out versions of those e-mails. 55,000 pages worth, we believe we complied with the federal records requirements in those two ways n. doing that, she went far beyond what any of her predecessors who made ample use of personal e-mail did. >> i'm asking about the specific word, inappropriate method. in retrospect with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight is it the second's position that the report is correct, that was not an appropriate method? >> two thing. number one, if we knew the state department was not preserving

those records i think we would have set about another way to make sure the records were being preserved. number two, let's take a step back. she had for many months now if she had this all to do over again she would do it differently. she regrets the decision. there is no new information that came to light in the report. in fact it confirmed there was no evidence that a successful hack was performed on the server. it also put a lie to the myth that people didn't know that she was using personal e-mail. >> no, it said they knew and they were ringing the alarm bell saying i don't think this is a good idea and they were told to cut it out and not -- stop talking about it. >> i have to say with respect to that anecdote, i'm not sure who that individual was. based on the description in the report it suggests it was a career official, not a political appointee. so we are not familiar with that. that was certainly no instructions given this should at all be kept secret. and there were some 100 odd

officials within the state officials e-mailing with her and everyone could see the domain name on there. >> i would love for you to answer this question honestly. i don't know if you are going to answer it honestly. honestly, do you, brian fallon, believe that the amount of coverage for this is disproportionate to the infraction? is this being blown out of proportion by the press? >> of course. yes. and i think the report actually explains why that's the case. there have been so many questions asked for the last several months, why should she have set up a personal e-mail account? how could she have thought that that was acceptable. the report shows this was routine. it was customary. almost the rule rather than the exception for senior level at the state department to be using personal e-mail for work e-mails. >> as opposed to setting up a server, which is not something

others had done. >> with respect to the recordkeeping requirement it's immaterial. i mean there is no difference between a commercial server and one that was profitly residing in chap quau for the purposes of whether you are adhering to your recordkeeping requirements. coming up, what the head of the tsa told congress he is doing to help combat the long lines at the airports. how quickly could you see the impact. >> stick around. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is only one place where real and amazing live. seaworld. real. amazing try your favorite ranch with a fresh taste so crisp, you'll be surprised it doesn't crunch.

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inherited a mess. both sides of the aisle, they think he inherited a necessary and is trying to clean it up. to quote him, he has years of institutional failure he is now trying to recuperate from, recover from at multiple edges of the agency. specifically about the long lines, one, two, sometimes three hours long in isolated cases that's what we saw last week in chicago. he was asked how in the word did chicago happen? >> this was really not our first rodeo. why didn't we see this coming? >> that's a good question. and i -- as you know, when i came on board last year on the heels of the, g's results, it was immediately apparent to me that one of the challenges we were going to have is enough screening staff to man the checkpoints effectively. when we got the appropriations bill in december we immediately began to do accelerated hiring. >> so his point there is that they have been trying to staff

up because they are way short of what they should have. as it relates to chicago, he moved in immediately and replaced the management team involved with the tsa in chicago last week. and then sort of pushing, surlging more employees in. here's the thing, chris. i think this gets to the heart of it. the tsa admits they are down somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,000 employees from where they should be given the fact we are seeing record numbers of travelers. yet they also admit they have had to put tsa officers on the job at political rallies to screen people going into those events. or at national events. everything from for example, the pope's visit to the inauguration, to the super bowl. and he admits, listen, i really need my tsos -- they call them tsos, screening officers on the ground at the airport not screening people going in to hear a political candidate. he is asking the secret service

to allow them to get back on to their jobs at airports. it's going to be a long summer, there is just no way around it. that said as it relates to chicago o'hair again last week two and three hour delays, they are down to 20 minute waits. when they surge they say we can make the system work. >> i should say i was in o'hair last weekend or two weekends ago. it was a disaster. i will say the tsa folks were really great. they had clearly inherited a mess. but their professionalism was quite high. they had the nice cubs penants, which i thought was a nice touch. tom costello thank you very much. tomorrow on today, tsa administrator peter neffenger will sit down for on exclusive interview. tomorrow morning on nbc. house speaker paul ryan isn't ready to endorse donald trump yet. but he will be having a conversation with trump tonight. luke grasser joins us.

luke, what is going on with the trump/ryan back and forth. i feel like it's been nine different cycles about ryan's impending move to endorse trump that have then been taken back. >> reporter: yeah, what will it take for paul ryan to get to yes. it's a long drawn out process. and it's being made i would argue probably more confusing and worse off for him by the leaks coming out of the trump campaign. bloomberg's story hit last night that said paul ryan could endorse trump as soon as this week. ryan's team having to push back on that hard today. we had an opportunity to talk with the speaker. 45 minutes of pen and pad. he said look, nothing has changed. i don't have a time line in my mind. i still have to work out with donald trump where we can sort of unify the conservative movement and unify the different wings of our party. when we get there, we get there. not shedding any light on when exactly that will be. now in the last few minutes another story i was told broke

from the trump side of this relationship is that they are going to have a phone call this even. it's the first time they have spoken since their meeting here at the rnc. as to what the topic of conversation will be, i suppose it will be, speaker ryan, you are the only leader in the congress who is still out here on an island. everybody else is with me. what will it take to get you over? i think ryan is protecting his own brand politically with conservatives and trying to elicit something he can bring back to conservatives and say i got donald trump to promise to do this. but we know how the trump promises have worked out truth throughout the course of the campaign. >> luke grasser on chilt. the trump rally wrapped up in anaheimful chasm showing you how thing were heating up outside. let's go there. >> reporter: what we saw in the last ten minutes or so is a group of trump supporters coming out and then they were

confronted by the protesters because that's what they like to do. we saw pushing and shoving. we're trying to follow the support who are are now moving on. we saw almost a punch being thrown. looked like they were trying to fight but it never really happened. in fact, a couple of protesters got in the middle of them and said we needed to make peace. and they ended up talking it out. but then, the group moved on into another set of protesters. there were more clashes. and really, we've been just watching and the police as well. in fact from a distance. it seems to be their strategy, from ten, 15 feet away, to see if it ever got beyond pushing and shoving. so far, it hasn't, chris. but it is more intense now, probably than it has ever been. and really, it started to pick up and heat up when we saw the group of protesters who came with their faces covered and not wanting to give their names. and now that the supporters have now started to join with the protesters.

chris? >> jacob wrasse cone following the doing in the aftermath of the rally that donald trump had there in anaheim. of course there were spirited protests last night in albuquerque. there is concern -- you see a lot of -- you saw this in chicago. there was protests outside chicago. that rally ended up being canceled. there was a wave of center left-handed ringing about it afterwards, folks saying this is bad and this is going to strengthen trump. i saw some of that after albuquerque last night. i don't know ultimately whose side it politically benefits. it does seem to be liking that cleveland is going to be crazy. >> i think that's true. what we were all expecting or gearing up for a contested convention -- we don't need a contested convention for there to be serious disruption of that event. >> right. >>t look, the thing about analyzing the partisan protests of these politics is not right.

protesters don't show up to donald trump rallies to hopefully score a couple of points for hillary clinton. they are there because they are genuinely outraged by certain thing that trump said and supported. and they feel it's their moral obligation to be there and protest. it's not about partisan politics or the election. >> i think orange county, california is going to be more contested than cleveland will. >> that's a good point. >> there is a demilitarized zone. there is free speech cage over five miles away from the arena. all about the southwest, anywhere, any anybody, you are going to see trump opinion yachtas all over the place. people are furious at people. >> good point. >> this is the third event in orange county over the last four months where there has been violence. right wing rally was there where guys ended up bleeding and cop cars. people are mad and bringing violence to these things.

there was a moment in those rallies which i don't know wef we captured on our air. there was a police officer telling him not to hurt the protester, and he was like i'm saying that for the tv cameras, a wink and nudge. almost begging for credit for being magnanimous. that's sort the i with a he does it now. >> i think it was the night of the iowa caucuses, where he said he would pay the legal bills if anyone -- if his supporters beat up protesters. he was inciting violence. >> he has now pivoted to the center. this is his general election pivot. >> am i the one who has to be fair to donald trump here? i don't want to be in that position. at the beginning of his rals they say if there is a disruption don't touch anybody. just yell u.s.a. or trump, trump, trump. >> that announce men has more he

can with a him inity than the candidate. >> the culture he sets at these rallies is not conducive to one of peace. >> it's not the cull tour he sets. >> his campaign manager himself does this. >> i remember being at a rally in las vegas where he was literally -- when the black lives matter protesters would disrupt, they are trying to cause problems there, but when people would surround them and shout racial slurs and getting in shouting matches trump would gleefully egg it on of the it's not like he has created a general abstract atmosphere around it. he was enjoying it and encouraging. >> it gets back to the wave of spectacle he has been surfing from the beginning. which is -- i think he has the perspective of like it is like he is programming a reality show. the more thing that happen, the better, whatever those things are. >> he thrives in a circus-like atmosphere. that's exactly what he is used to. and he knows for him controversy does in fact work for him. it has worked for him his entire career. and it has continued to work for him in this process.

and he is going to stick with it. that's the unfortunate part. >> he is running a subconsciously silent majority campaign. i mean, they are referencing this as a concept. and the way the people looked at it back then was like disruption, violence in the streets. and there used to be actual violence in this country in the streets in 1968. much more than can be contemplated now. but that was being a way that richard nixon -- >> this is a great point. i have been reimmersing myself in that year, 1968 in the campaign. we had 55 people killed in detroit. dos dead in major cities. riots and also law enforcement killing people. it was incredibly bloody. there is nothing like that happening in america like that level of unrest. roger stone, trump's big adviser has a nixon tattoo on his back, admires and loves like everything that came about from that campaign. and to me, what's so interesting when you think about the silent majority, he is running a silent majority campaign in a country

whose demographics have inverted. he is running a silent majority campaign where the silent majority is slipping into minority status. weirdly running -- that's going to be provable testable hypothesis of the campaign, whether that's true or not. >> i don't know whether you listened to donald trump today, but the hispanics love him. >> and so do the blacks, apparently. >> we are exactly two months out from the start of the democratic convention in philadelphia. after the break, how delegates from swing state ohio are preparing for what could be a contention convention. don't go anywhere. argonne khe sanh midway dak to normandy medina ridge the chosin reservoir these are places history will never forget but more important are the faces we will always remember. ♪

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convention is philadelphia is looking like it may back showdown between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. clinton supporters are hoping to bring union it to the party, some bernie sanders support rrs calling the process unfair or rigged. tony, what are you hearing from those getting ready to go to the convention. >> reporter: for weeks now represents tiffs of the bernie sanders and hillary clinton campaigns have been meeting with democratic officials trying to work out compromises and conessentials to bring unity ahead of the convention in july. here locally we went to an amazing even. a pizza party mixer, bernie sanders delegates and hillary clinton delegates getting together and talking together. we wanted to see how the eun fix process is going on the local level. et cetera a not going well. people are polite but talking past each other when it comes to

the issues. >> i think the best way to work towards their interests, if they have anable to articulate those would be for them to be delegates as they are here and to work together. >> if the super delegates go with hillary like they say they are going to. it will be a disaster for america. >> how will you feel if they are? >> if they are, i would feel betried. sorry for, he ma. i would feel sorry for the democratic party because if the super delegates delegate hillary they have just become a minor party. >> the youth of america are for bernie. that's the future of america, what he stands for. >> reporter: chris you heard from warner language, a delegate for bnlds. he said the super delegates which have already said they are going to go for hillary clinton. if they do, he is prepared to protest -- civil disobedience to such an extent he will be willing to got arrested. half the people we talked to last night are willing to take it that far. we think there are going to be

arrests outside the republican national convention? it look like in philadelphia inside the democratic convention there could be delegates fighting for the democratic party to such an extent people are willing to go to jail. >> are they themselves delegates? they will be headed to philadelphia? >> reporter: they are delegates. those are the people going to represent bernie sanders or hillary clinton at the convention. the hillary people -- you heard from that small sound byte we just played. they are not fully recognizing the depth of the frustration did the anger on the bernie sanders side and the bernie sanders delegates are arctic lating what they need. i don't know this they are going to get nighten to, thank you very much, from columbus, ohio. here's kate rogers and the market wrap. >> stocks have seen strong gains for the second day in a row. the dow jumping 145 points. the s&p up 14 points, and the nasdaq raising almost 34 points. that's it from cnbc, first in

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l so we have that big wreath journal nbc poll this week, it showed hillary clinton up by three points over donald trump. he had made considerable room. in some ways the head to head stuff is least interesting. what is more interesting is what is happening underneath the rurls. one thing striking is the urban/rural divide in a lot of ways it defines american politics. you will not be shocked to learn that hillary clinton is winning by a lot in urban areas, major metropolitan areas. 58/33. in rural areas, donald trump is

trouncing her. there is book which is about the ways americans -- polarization isn't operating just in congress or through gerrymandering. people are self sorting into essentially partisan enclaves. >> right. the people are increasingly log among people like them. not just ethnically, but politically, who share their same world views. but this has been part of, you know, the partisan politics in elections for a long, long time. >> the urban/rural divide is ancient. >> right. and republicans have campaigned against the elitism of urban sfis cats and elites and wealthy people. and sometimes in a more subdued or settle subtle way against frankly people of color who live in urban areas. this divide is probably going to be exacerbated this this election. >> that's my prediction, we're going to see all the divides bigger than they have ever been:

the gender divide will be the biggest we have ever seen. these sorts of divides -- i think we are going to see huge swings. >> the symmetry between the trump supporters and the most hard core trump support and the most hard core bernie supporters who have turned unfortunate tactics on the internet and the protests and so on, there is such an anger that is uniting i feel a common denominator in the country, anger at elise, at what washington has failed to do. >> here's what i find confounding in terms of anger. i think there are significance differences between trump and sanders supporters in the way they conduct themselves. barack obama has a 53% approval rating. >> ahead of whereof clinton was. >> ahead of where reagan was. >> doesn't that complicate the narrative we are telling about this election? the idea that tensionally the nation' united in rage that the

country is going to hell. meanwhile the current ouptd of the house has a 53% approval rating. >> barack obama looks so much more stable now in contrast to what is happening on the political scene. >> yes he does. >> that's probably why he is approval rating rises. >> can you be coming around to the idea that obama is not all that bad but be totally conconsumed with rage at washington? yes. >> to me it's complicated. i guess if you go back to late 2008, people's frustration with the state of the country and the war and fsk housing bubble bursting, it reflected in the bush numbers. those two thing were tied together. 24% approval rating or something like the as they headed into the election. people tend to put onto the president of the united states their frustrations. >> i don't want to be captain obviously but the economies that gotten a lot better since

president obama took office. while income equality has continued to be exacerbated and a large part of it was rooted in the great recession, which he has helped to resolve. i think while people are frustrated and it's true, money is flowing up and not really flowing down, and that's a true stooemt statement, i think that's showing that president obama attempted to right the ship since he came into office. i think people know that. i think they see what a steady hand he is in items of dealing with all the issues. >> i think the increase we've seen has as much to do with his personal attributes in contrast to the insanity of the campaign, broadly, the campaign. >> that's my point. >> this guy is composed and disciplined if nothing else. >> if it's about personal, cooperate they still be angry -- >> yes. >> i think people are treating him like an expresident. >> that does it for us.

i'll be back with more in three hours. first, the texas attorney general filed a lawsuit against the obama administration directive on transgender student bathroom use. that and much more when "mtp daily" starts right now. it's wednesday. forget factors like clinton fatigue and trump's shock and awe an particular. the biggest driver in this election could be economic anxiety and expanding urban/rural divide is the real fault line in american politics. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. ♪ and good hutchday even. i'm chalk todd here in new york. welcome to "mtp daily." there are a lot of consequential thing happening today, the lease of which actually is what provided most of the pictures this afternoon of politics.