back in three more hours for "all in" at 8:00 p.m. in our studio downstairs. first, hillary clinton, one and only, will join chuck todd when "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday, donald trump clinches the nomination again. hillary clinton, though, here to respond. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. are? good evening, a packed show. i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." a wild 24 hours of head leans for both hillary clinton and donald trump. trump clinches the gop nomination if you believe the delegate counts. clinton's e-mail controversy escalated and we'll speak with

hillary clinton live in a moment from san jose, california, right before she's holding another event out there. unease over clinton and trump is dominating the headlines. state department inspector general issued a scathing report on hillary clinton's e-mail practices. trump meanwhile feuding with new mexico's republican governor suzanna martinez, a prominent l latina. the reason trump and clinton are the two most unpopular candidates. trump scorched earth style has consequences and for clinton the latest controversy reinforces the perception she cannot be trusted. the remarkable thing, all of clinton's weaknesses, e-mails included, can be countered, if you call it that, when you stack it up against all of trump's weaknesses. each seems to say, yeah? what about this? yes, clinton's honesty ratings are in the gutter, 19% find her honest. but trump's numbers on temperament are lower, 12%, say

trump is the right temperament. clinton gets dinged on lack of transparency for e-mail practices but trump is being even more opaque than clinton by refusing to release his tax returns. the clintons are battling the bag annual of bill's affairs and alleged sexual misconduct. but trump has been married three times and has a well-known history of issues with women which include allegations of sexual misconduct. hillary clinton struggling to unite her party as sanders' campaign soldiers on. trump alienates republican leaders. 4% of vote -- 34% of voters have a positive view of clinton. and guess what? both candidates took turns hammering each other on issues of trust and judgment today. trump lining up shots on clinton's e-mails. >> donald trump is an urgent threat to our rights and to our country. we know he actually was rooting

for the housing crash that caused 5 million families their homes. >> she has bad judgment. this was all bad judgment. probably illegal. we'll have to find out what the fbi says about it. look back at her history, this is her history. it's shocking to see what she did. more than anything else, it's bad judgment. >> in an interview with the press pool reporter, hillary clinton responded to concerns aboutl her e-mail practices by pivoting to attack trump. >> i know people have concerns about this. i understand that. but i think voters are going to be looking at the full picture of what i have to offer, my life, my service, and the full threat that donald trump offers our country. donald trump has clinched the number of delegates he needs to be the republican nominee. that means an unqualified, loose cannon is within reach of the most powerful job in the world. >> let me bring in a trio of our

great reporters here following the race. hallie jackson, kasie hunt with the clinton campaign in san jose, and political reporter robert costa out of washington. kasie, let me go to you, first, with the clinton campaign. it's interesting, this is -- for people that have followed clinton's political career, watch her be as aggressive trying to respond to trump's every move is a change. >> it's very much a change, chuck. and i think it reflects a belief inside the clinton campaign. people i've talked to over the 24 hours are essentially saying that they know that she somehow has to be much more tactical than she's been in the past and be defending him at every news cycle turn, chuck. >> i'm going to pause here. joining me on the phone right now is the democratic presidential front-runner and lookly nominee, hillary clinton. secretary clinton, welcome back to the show. >> thanks a lot, chuck.

good to talk to you. >> all right. let me start with, first, response to donald trump. officially the nominee. we heard you earlier. you called him an urgent threat. that is -- that's language you might use for some enemy of the united states. urgent threat is a serious charge. >> well, i think it fits, chuck. i know donald trump says outrageous things all the time. but today he has officially clinched the republican nomination. so this is now as real as it gets. and this man, who is an unqualified, loose cannon is within reach of the most important job in the world. i think it should concern every american that the president of the united states, president obama, came out of i meetings with our closest allies in the world and reported that they're, quote, rattled, by the threat donald trump represents. of course they're rattled. he's talking about breaking up our alliances, letting more

countries get nuclear weapons, banning all muslims from coming to america. that is a recipe for fewer friends and more enemies that will make us all less safe. i know donald trump think is this is a point of pride, that me or president obama is saying things about him. but it's not. this is serious. the entire world looks to the president of the united states for leadership and stability and that is the kind of leadership i would provide if elected. >> secretary clinton, we've got arguably over a decade of the country just notthappy with how america's conducted foreign policy, whether by bush or barack obama. there is a frustrated electorate out there. how is he -- why shouldn't voters say, why go and do it the same way we've been doing it the same way over 20 years if it

hasn't made us safer? and that's the way he's portraying this. >> well, i think -- i have a lot of confidence in the american voters, chuck, and i think when voters consider what he has that he has attacked our closest allies, he has said we should pull out of nato, and he says we should let people have nuclear weapons. that's scary. >> this -- plaid dam secretary, your lead in the polls arguably might be a lot bigger if you didn't have these honest and trustworthy issues and it's voters, and we've talked about this before. but yesterday's state department i.g. report was pretty scathing and it seemed to contradict many of the things you said about the e-mails. do you accept everything that the state department i.g. report said about your practices as fact?

>> well, chuck, the report makes clear that personal e-mail use was the practice under other secretaries of state. and the rules were not clarified until after i had left. but i said this many times, it was still a mistake. if i can go back, i'd do it differently. and i understand people have concerns about this, but i hope and expect voters to look at full picture of everything i've done and stand for, and the full threat posed by donald trump. and if they do, i have faith in the american people that they will make the right choice. >> i got to ask you, though, about a specific e-mail that was unearthed in the i.g. report because it seems to contradict your reasoning for why you wanted a private e-mail and a private server. you were quoted in an e-mail saying this, i don't want any risk of the personal being accessible, meaning urged to get

a state.gov e-mail, you were opened to it but concerned what happen were you concerned about? congressional requests? explain what that sentence meant. >> of course not. i mean this arose because i worried that some individuals that i would be mailing to on their state.gov accounts were not getting my e-mails and i was concerned about how to fix that. i raised lots of different possibilities. but ultimately, the technical problem was resolved. and i continued using my personal account for both work and personal e-mail because i did think it was convenient. however, i think it's pretty clear looking back what i thought was convenient turned out to be anything but. as i have acknowledged i should have used two accounts. it was a mistake. >> what was the -- what were you worried about with the personal being accessible, accessible by who? >> well, nobody wants their

personal e-mails made public, you know. that is, i think, a very common, if not, unanimous feeling among people. i was told this was a technical problem. it was resolved. and i have, like everybody else i know, i separated out my official e-mail. i send it to.gov accounts and as i said many times since, it was a mistake. i should have two separate accounts and none the questions would have been raised. but the fact is they have official accounts, personal. when it comes to personal people don't want personal e-mail accounts made public. >> i've got to let you go. do you think it's appropriate if bernie sanders debates donald trump one-on-one? >> you know, i know they've gone back and forth on this. they seem to be saying it's some kind of joke, trump doesn't

sound very serious. but i can tell you, i'm looking forward to debating donald trump in the general election. i really can't wait to get on the debate stage with him. >> do you think if bernie sanders does this, it's a way of setting back party unity in the democratic party? >> oh, i don't think it's going to happen. i think that's clear. we're going to be unified. let's get through these next contests and then we're going work to unify the party as i did with then-senator obama back in 2008. >> secretary clinton, i know you're on the road, thanks for calling in. stay safe on the trail. >> thanks. great to talk to you. >> back to kasie, halle, robert. robert, to you first. you heard what secretary clinton said about trump. i think essentially they view the e-mail story as okay, it's bad, but hey, he's worse, shouldn't that matter more?

effective, robert? >> what's different here is secretary clinton is calling in to a station during the daytime, this is in the style and manner of donald trump trying to insert herself into the national political conversation in away she just hasn't done in the same manner trump has over the past few months and it's striking at this moment to listen to her have that rapport and talk about the news of the day. >> halle, the trump campaign, are they surprised that clinton is being more like them? >> yeah, i was going to saying i have to jump in here. donald trump one of the things that you're seeing from him, that you've been seeing, heightened attacks against hillary clinton, against democrats in general, including elizabeth warren. here you have clinton almost echoing him in that way to a degree with president obama with comments taking it to trump on foreign policy and on the way the world leaders view him. talk about how trump is hitting democrats. one of the ways that he has

attacked elizabeth warren is on her native-american heritage or as he says, he calls her pocahontas. that came up at his news conference today. a tense exchange with a native-american write where blogger. listen. >> thank you very much. >> kasie, let me go to you and just get your take on e-mails here. which is it seems as if they just -- they're resigned to the fact she's never going to have answers that feel like they're complete. >> i think they are, chuck. i think that, to a certain extent, there's a grit your teeth and bear it element to the e-mail story. there's a sense that she has asked about it repeatedly over and over while donald trump is not asked, say, about tax

returns because he's going against precedent there. that would be their defense for it. but you know, to go back to what we were talking about earlier, i have clinton campaign sources who are acknowledging to me that they feel like she needs to be much more tactical in how she approaches this campaign because of the way he is essentially wall-to-wall on cable news and you know, just has this instinctive feel for negotiating the media landscape in a way that just hasn't come naturally to her over the years. and in many ways, they've always tried to rise above it, right? they said this is our strategy, we're going to stick to the mess amount, take this larger view. now whether that is the strategy they stick with going forward, we'll have to wait and see. i'm sure as with everything in clinton world there's disagreement on the best way to handle this. but that certainly isnsomething

they thought about and executing. >> thanks for your patience being there at the beginning and a lot at the end there. we'll have more. appreciate it. president obama says world leaders are rattled by donald trump's rise. well, we'll look how trump's rhetoric is playing on the world stage. former vice president walter mondale joins me. an in-depth discussion on president obama's historic trip to hiroshima which takes place some time tomorrow early for many of you when the actual appearance takes place. i talked to him about 2016, 1984, and 1980. we'll be right back.

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in japan today, president obama got asked about what foreign leaders gathered for the g7 summit were staying about trump. his answer -- >> they are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements. but they're rattled by it, and for good reason, because a lot of the proposals that he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude. >> of course, trump, he didn't seem bothered by it. he embraced it. >> if they're rattled in a friendly way, that's a good thing, john, not a bad thing. >> number of world leaders expressed concerns about trump publicly. britain's prime minister cameron called the proposed ban on muslims divisive, stupid and wrong. president of mexico compared the rhetoric to the rhetoric that

led to the rise of hitler. and germany's minister of the economy said trump's ideas were a threat to peace and prosperity. not mild criticisms there. here now, david sanger and the vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at american enterprise institute. you're at the remote. i feel like it's unfair to not be in studio. i want to start with you. i know you've been critical of donald trump during the primary season, particularly on foreign policy but considering that the american public's been unhappy with the direction of american foreign policy over a decade through two presidents, why doesn't he technically have the better message for the voter? >> well, you know, i mean, i think the problem here is not a substance question. as you rightly say, i'm not too fond of donald trump, and i don't agree with many of his

rather vague pronouncements on foreign policy that being said i don't think it's appropriate for the sitting president of the united states to go off to a high level gathering and chitchat about the choices of the american people in a democratic system with foreign leaders and make insulting comments about the candidate's choices. i don't care if he comes home and he wants to do it. i think it's suspect when he makes that point. >> interesting point that she makes. at the end of the day, former president bush doesn't criticize president obama and she's right. i'm trying to think when i remember presidents criticizing nominees overseas. is that a violation of politics should stop at the water's edge -- >> i think it died with the invention of the internet. it was a little bit unusual. but i have to say, i just got back from last night from a trip that took me from europe through to aisha, with secretary kerry

for some of it, south asia as well. it's overwhelming. it is the thing that everybody stops and talks to you about. an american diplomat tells me they're struggling how to answer it as well. there is a way to sort of get at answers, not necessarily by criticizing any of the candidates, but by observing that some of the proposals that we've heard from donald trump and the one you heard the most from asia the one he said to me and maggie labor haberman lettim get the nuclear weapons again. you're asking countries to go do that. and it's a hard question to answer because you don't know how serious some proposals are. >> danielle, hillary clinton used the phrase urgent threat. i'm used to hyperbole in presidential campaigns. i'm not surprises. but that's a phrase that should

be reserved for some enemy. do you view donald trump as an urgent threat? do other people in the american foreign policy community view him as an urgent threat? >> i think a lot of us in the grown-up foreign policy community are very unhappy with pronouncements about nuclear weapons, with pronouncements about muslims, with pronouncements about libya, china, i can go on for quite a long time here. but at the end of the day, this -- he's not hiding anything. this is not a man who is rising to power by pretending to be a really good conservative, serious man on foreign policy. he certainly lays it all out there. and i think it's a little rich for hillary clinton to suggest that that's an urgent threat but you know, but what happened in libya, what's happening in syria, that's not an urgent threat. on top of that, it's important to be honest about how our

diplomats see the regime of barack obama because, yes, people may be extraordinarily upset about the choices the american people are making and many americans, people like me, are upset about the choices that the american people are making. but overseas, we have seen an unbelievable rising tide of unhappiness with the obama administration. and we really can't -- we can't ignore that. that's part of what has helped lead us to the place that we're at with two candidates who make us extraordinarily unhappy. >> well, danielle, you were trying to -- you helped transition, a question i wanted to put on the table. this issue of the rise of donald trump, and essentially nationalism, it's no different than what's happening in europe. no different than what we saw in austria. it's no different than what we're seeing -- you can make an argument that the reason europe's about to crack up is because of this migration crisis because of instability in the middle east and you connect the

dots. >> absolutely right. and the question, which danielle raises up here is, how much of this has to do with president obama and how much of this would have happened no matter who was sitting in the oval office. when we look back at this in history, one of the questions is going to be, was barack obama an extraordinarily unlucky to be sitting in the oval office in the midst of the arab spring and then what happened beyond it? >> i think ultimately we've now got three straight presidents that haven't figured out how to use america's superpower in the post cold era. that's what we've learned over clinton, bush, obama. >> you're probably going to find the next president's suffering the same struggle. >> always a pleasure with both of you. thank you. appreciate it. still ahead -- president obama prepares for an historic visit to hiroshima, first sitting president to do it. former vice president walter mondale joins me to discuss the significance of the trip and what it means to the japanese. think fixing your windshield is a big hassle?

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before you wake up tomorrow morning, some big history's going to be made. president obama is going to be the first sitting u.s. president to visit hiroshima since it became the site of the world's first atomic bombing during world war ii. he'll visit the japanese peace memorial with president abe. >> it's not only a reminder of the terrible toll of world war ii, the death of innocents

across continents but to remind ourselves about the job's not done in reducing conflict, building institutions of peace, and reducing the prospect of nuclear war in the future. >> 140,000 people were killed when the u.s. dropped anatomic bomb on hiroshima august 6, 1945. countless others suffered from radiation exposure and aftereffects. 11 u.s. presidents have been elected, but none visited the memorial site while in office. for sper perspective, i spoke with former vice president walter mondale who also was ambassador to japan under president bill clinton. i began by asking the former vice president what it means for the japanese people to the japanese people to have an

american president go to hiroshima for the very first time. >> this is one of the biggest events in modern japanese history. you can't put any other description to it. 70 years ago, japan was the first nation to be on the receiving end of atomic weapons. the city of hiroshima was wiped out, and within a few days later, nagasaki was wiped out. and here we are 70 years later and thousands have died, many died of diseases they picked up as a result of the bombing and so on. so it's a big, big day. and it's been a big issue that hasn't been subject to much discussion. and now with the president going there and so on, this will be

the center stage worldwide, i believe. >> it's always felt like an issue that the united states and japan, the leaders, always try to sweep under the rug, they don't want to discuss it, they don't want to handle it. it's in some ways remarkable how close of an ally japan is and how close of an ally they became so quickly, given the destruction. >> yes. and that's one of the great mysteries of modern diplomacy. japan probably our fiercest enemy within a few years after the treaty of the west we developed a relationship that's many ways the best in the world. and i was there for a few years as our ambassador. and i am not talking loose talk when i say that. this is a very center part of their life and our lives and the treaty is crucial to all of us.

>> what should the president say? it's not an apology. we know that. >> no. >> what should he say? >> you know, i -- he forgot to call me. but i think that he's going to express sadness about all of the the human suffering that was caused by the explosion of this weapon and then i think he's going to turn to what can we do together and what can we do with others around the world to find a better way to avoid the possibility that these awful weapons would ever be used again. you know, when you talk about war, you talk about weapons, you've got to put nuclear weapons in a different category because they hold the potential to destroy humankind. >> let me ask you this, do you think this -- this should have

happen sooner with previous presidents. >> yes, i wish it would have happened sooner. but everybody -- i think even of the japanese side -- were not too sure in early years whether it made sense. there was so much anger, so much heartache immediately following the war that neither country wanted to get into this dicey question of whether they were apologizing or the other issues connected with the bomb. now finally, i think, kind of a generation and a half later, our president's able to go there and the japanese are willing to accept it and both i think we're saying big things to the world here. this is different. these are not normal weapons. this is the most hideous weapon possible. and we've got to do everything we can to try to prevent a

repetition of what happened in japan. and i'm glad that the president's going there. i'm glad he's going to make this case to the world, and i'm glad that the japanese are with us as we do so. >> as you know, one of the potential major party nominees has been open to the idea, hey, japan, south korea, they want to go nuclear, that's their business. obviously there's a concern about a nuclear arms race in asia as well as one in the middle east. could you imagine the japanese government ever pursuing nuclear weapons? >> no, and you know, we've had our alliance with korea and japan, alliances, now for many, many years, and during the years that i was there, one thing that the japanese always made clear is they wanted us to keep fighting against the possible uses of nuclear weapons. they're a country that was on

the wrong end of these weapons and they've never forgotten it, even now, and so i think this is a thing to do and we've got keep at it. >> i want to ask you a couple of campaign questions because there have been comparisons to two campaigns you've experienced. the first one comparison, has to do with gary hart and your primary battle with him in '84, right up to the end. everybody knew you had the numbers but gary hart won california on that last day. you still were the nominee. bernie sanders trying to do the same thing. do you believe gary hart hurt you in the fall? did that set you back or is it overhype? >> well, you know, he did -- he did what he had a right to do and he -- when the convention met and it was clear that i was the nominee, gary hart tried to help me get elected and made it clear right from the start.

and i'm very hopeful that something like that will happen in our convention. otherwise, these -- these fights, these personal insults that inevitably throwing poison in the system and sometimes it's hard to win because of the antagonism. when i was with jimmy carter and ted kennedy was running against us, and i loved ted kennedy, but if you remember that convention, he ruined that convention and he diminished the president's stature. i don't think we ever got over it. and we lost to reagan. i would say to all candidates, be careful that in your desire to be a strong candidate, at the

same time you don't destroy the capacity of our political party to win an election. i'm worried about that now. >> and one of the other favorite ways that various pundits like to talk about trump is, you know, democrats used to underestimate -- under estimating trump the way democrats and jimmy cart somewhere walter mondale underestimated ronald reagan in the '70s. is that true, number one? do you buy the reagan/trump comparisons? >> no. we did not look at him as a trivial candidate. he was a very strong candidate. polls showed that. but i don't think we're underestimating the risks today either. trump is a very risky candidate for the democrats. more than that, he's a risky candidate for the country. we talked briefly about the loose talk about u.s. policy in

asia and in japan with nuclear weapons. that's the worst 45 seconds in this campaign will damage that could do. i'm afraid if he becomes president, that the possibilities for wreckage is just endless. so i'm hopeful that we'll get ourselves together, we'll get behind the democratic nominee, and we'll really win the -- go all out to win the election. >> walter mondale, thanks for your time and for sharing your knowledge about asia. appreciate it. >> glad to do it. thank you. we have much more coming up on "mtp daily." right after this, assessing trump and clinton. and the restart of the general election.

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i'd love to debate bernie. but they have to pay a lot of monny for it, look, i'm in first place. i've won i'd say something over $10 million. >> you raise $10 million, you'll get on debate stage with bernie sanders. >> i would love to, yeah. i would love to. >> well, could a trump/sanders debate become a reality? we talked to hillary clinton at top of the show. she brushed it off with a big laugh. this afternoon, donald trump said he would debate bernie sanders for $10 million for so. sanders says he's delighted tweet, let's do it in the biggest stadium possible. well, you never know. of course it probably will not happen in any case. but it done mean we didn't have an opportunity to imagine what it might look like. here it is -- >> we're going to run against crazy bernie. >> donald trump is toast. >> this socialist/communist -- >> it is not a wild socialist

idea. >> this maniac. >> he lies all the time. >> a crazy man. >> he claims to be a billionaire. >> bernie's going nowhere, you know that. >> that is absolutely false. >> a lot of lot of bernie sande people have said they're voting for trump. >> we defeat trump by very large numbers. >> big, big, huge victory. >> huge voter turn out. >> huge victories all over the place. >> huge, and i mean huge.

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universal orlando resort. i hope and expect voters to look at the full picture of everything i've done and stand for, and the full threat posed by donald trump. if they do, i have faith in the american people that they will make the right choice. >> that was hillary clinton a few minutes ago at the top of the "mtp daily" saying e-mails are bad but trump's worse. lots to get to. hello, all. i want to get this sort of debate mess out of way. we were just discussing, what i

hear is why isn't trump embra embracing this proposal even more bringing on hillary's democratic attack dog. >> this could be great for him. he goes and shows the country that he and bernie sanders aren't that far apart. saying hey, sanders voters, come to me. it's a huge opportunity for him. >> it goes to what trump try to almost kill the idea. he seems to step on obvious land mines for his own hit like attacking susana martinez and it helped to dilute the hillary clinton story and e-mails. >> it's popular to talk about let trump be trump upsides of that strategy but here are the downsides. he'll miss political opportunities. he'll give away points here and saturday night live is done with their season but this seems like a perfect moment for them and a real loss for comedy. >> if sanders does this, this is not good for hillary clinton.

>> ultimately, i don't think it will happen. this is like the cleveland cavaliers deciding they want to play a game against the miami heat before they head to the championship. i think under the weight of both sides, ultimately it will fail. >> there's only downside here for hillary clinton. >> yeah, i do think that both sides would expose some of the inconsistencies of both the sanders campaign and trump campaign. it's clearly something i don't think the clinton campaign would want to happen. >> we spent a lot of time amplifying your mild critique of the clinton campaign and this idea of be careful calling trump risky. >> i think it's insufficient. risky implies upside. i think trump is reckless and dangerous. he has a ridiculous view of foreign policy that would accrue

to the detriment of the country. he's pulled a con on workers and the american people. it's dangerous, it's reckless and divisive. i think that's what the focus of our campaign should be about. >> the american voter believe our foreign policy doesn't believe it's been that great over the last 15 years. >> i think it's an enormous amount of arrogance on the clinton's part to think 16 republicans couldn't find a message to take down donald trump and risky is the word they didn't think of. their candidate is so weak on so many areas. the e-mails have shown an area she's still not comfortable with. she was reverting back to old talking points from a year ago. they didn't work then. >> it goes back to there's something she's holding back or

the perception she's holding back her real reason why she wanted it private. she won't say it. it smells like it's foya. looks like it's congressional inquiri inquiries, she won't say it. >> out of all these investigations that have happened, we haven't found any. >> there's no tangible proof of motive other than she keeps saying it was convenience. >> even though this is a story that will continue to plague her especially with this ongoing fbi investigation until they find anything that she did wrong, you know, it's a story that the republicans will be able to use against her but it's not something that actually might totally hurt her. >> it drives the trustworthy numbers way down. >> do you believe your job would be harder if donald trump weren't the opponent on all of these trust issues. >> well, donald trump and ted cruz would have made this election a lot different than a

marco rubio or a jeb bush. in the course of this conversation, these are the fra phrases that's been used. there's no proof. there's no new information in the report that came out today. in the first three stories written about this, major newspapers had to print corrections. >> it does go back to it's like she's finding the minimal standard of legality here. well, nobody told me i couldn't. >> i think what she said was is she would have done something different. she did what former secretaries of state had done. she turned over all the e-mails and if she had her it would have been easier if she hadn't done that. i find it interesting the obsession of e-mails over the course of several months when we have a republican candidate who refuses to release tax returns because he doesn't want to show he hasn't paid in several years. >> isn't that why the e-mail hit

isn't as effective? >> i think the e-mail hit will continue to be effective. every time she says she did what over other secretary of state -- she did something entirely different. every time she said she turned over the e-mail, another news story has to come saying she didn't. >> he's donald trump. none of the rules apply. they apply to hillary clinton, clearly. >> there's the general election for you. >> i will stop here. thank you. we'll be back tomorrow. "with all due respect" starts 17 seconds late. my apologies. it starts right now. after two days of preliminaries, we're down to the final round of the scripps presidential spelling bee. getting the finals under way, 69-year-old donald trump and your pronouncers mark halperin and john heilemann. >> congratulations on making it this far. is there anything you would like to