good afternoon to you. and happy friday. we are almost there, america. i'm chris hayes at msnbc world headquarters in new york. donald trump will arrive in san diego, california, the closest he's been to the border since his visit to laredo, texas, last summer. law enforcement is prepared for protests. the police chief said there this morning, she's expecting peaceful demonstrations, but there will be swift action if anything gets out of control. our correspondents are there keeping an eye on all of it. let's bring in katy tur inside the san diego convention center. what's the scene like inside? >> reporter: well, inside the scene is getting pretty intense. a number of mothers who lost their children to undocumented immigrants are rallying this crowd, telling them that their kids will be next, that immigrants come into this country not for a better life as

the media may tell you, but instead to hurt your family and to take away your jobs. so a lot of red meat and fear tactics in the room right now. that received scattered applause and some cheers to build the wall afterwards. outside there are a number of organized protesters. the concern certainly for the police out here is just how riled up this crowd inside will be when they exit this room, and potentially confront those that are outside and here to protest donald trump. donald trump has been in california all day. he was here earlier this week. every time that he's come to the state, he's been met with hundreds if not thousands of protesters who try to stop him from speaking in their various cities. so far, they've been unsuccessful in stopping him. the trump campaign telling me behind the scenes in private conversations that ultimately these protesters are helping them, are helping their message. the rowdier they get, the stronger donald trump's supporters believe in him. they believe that he's standing up for the little guy that

doesn't get a voice normally, in the face of what can be intense heat or in-fire from the media or potentially the protesters who are outside, the politically correct core of this country. so donald trump will be here in just about an hour now. unclear exactly what he will talk about, but given that we are 20 minutes from the mexican border, i can imagine that we're probably going to hear a lot about immigration, a lot about building his wall. we're also in a heavily military town. a number of military bases in the vicinity. so i would expect to hear him talk about veterans issues as well as strengthening the military. chris? >> nbc's katy tur in san diego, thank you. that's an interesting dispatch. let's go outside the convention center to jacob rascon who is covering the protesters out there. jacob, what's the scene there? >> reporter: yeah, chris, probably more than a thousand protesters. right here, a group just showed

up, a union, and as we walk over here, you'll see the crowd, we knew ahead of time, we would have four big organized groups here. we're just starting to see a lot of them show up as planned. they wanted to be peaceful. they wanted to come out, be organiz organized, have their signs, their usual chants and songs. so far, it has been peaceful, meaning there hasn't been any physical back and forth. we've seen a lot of yelling, a lot of chanting. we've seen some pushing between the protesters and others. and then we have that, sorry about that, chris. they bring a lot of props, a donald trump pinata, which they sell right now around san diego and elsewhere. we're still waiting on one organized group which we're

going to -- were going to march. so far they're doing what they planned to do, to march, to chant, and no violence, physical, at least so far. >> that's the plan and let's hope it stays that way. jacob rascon, thank you. hey, america, if you see someone doing a live shot and you think it's funny or smart or clever to say what that guy just said, it's not, grow the hell up. all right, i want to welcome today's panel. josh barrow, senior editor of business insider. amy holmes, political analyst, former speech writer for bill frist. first of all, we should say that the protests that have happened outside trump events, they widely vary in who is organizing them. there are some that are very grassroots and expressions of

genuine anger at him and offense. there are some that are more professionalized which is what this looks like, there's sort of a range of these things. but i want to start with what she said about the warm-up act inside, because that to me is such a window into this campaign. starting your campaign with the parents of people who have lost their loved ones, victims of crime, by undocumented immigrants. anyone who thought there would be a pivot to the center, that to me, no, this is full double-down on the primary strategy. >> yeah. i thought it was interesting she mentioned the scattered applause. >> i did too. it was a great dispatch. because you got some sort of texture from that. >> some people in the trump coalition are into this stuff and some aren't. >> good point. >> but the people who aren't seem to find a way to not be very bothered by it. i don't agree with the fear mongering about unauthorized immigrants.

i don't think it's fair to call them rapists, and yet i can still vote for a guy who does it because x, y, z, he's a businessman, makes good deals. it's very interesting how they hear what he says that they like, and the stuff they don't, they just discard. >> san francisco just rea firmed they're a sanctuary city and that's where the young woman who was murdered by an undocumented immigrant. >> let's be clear of the basic facts. >> do i agree with trump's characterization? no, no. but there are specific cases and specific policy. >> let me tell you something. the point of emphasis is important. there are incidents in which black people kill white people in america and i can tell you, there are twitter feeds devoted entirely to that. you know what runs that, white

nationalists and nazis. to the point that you only emphasize incidents where a black person killed a white person, the people who tend to be obsessed with that -- >> i agree with trump's broad characterization, but he is making this case in a context that has to do with policy and the fear that san francisco's sanctuary city status will attract people who want to be under the law. >> peaceful protest is a bedrock american value, but in the fear mongering that you're hearing inside the trump rally, the incitement to violence is real. and i think this -- i don't ppi think, i know this is going to be a long, brutal, scorched earth campaign, and the more you hear, the more protest becomes difficult. peaceful protest is an american value. if there's going to be violence,

there may well be. donald trump's incitement, there may be a backlash. i'm thinking of the strategic issue of whether there should be protests at donald trump rallies. i think there should be and chris is right, there are all kinds of -- >> but are you saying that -- blaming donald trump for protesters attacking police cars and throwing rocks? >> i think his incitements calls out at his rallies, calls out people, which enables people to say, okay, it's normal if i sick someone or get on someone. >> we should be clear about what is happening. >> and the media coverage, it's not clear to me, one has to cover donald trump, but the 24/7 wall paper coverage of donald trump -- >> i don't know what you're talking about. [ laughter ] >> i'm kind of -- how much of that factors into the spectacle that a trump rally then becomes? how much becomes casting? >> there is some of that. unquestionably. but it's also the case --

>> it would happen anyway. >> people are protesting donald trump because -- people are at the rally to listen to what donald trump has to say and hear from the parents of people that have been tragically murdered because they like what donald trump has to say and there are people outside who are protesting that because they find it odious. do the cameras play some kind of role in that? absolutely. but i can't imagine a version of this campaign where that doesn't happen. >> when you're showing pictures of trump's podium when he's not even there, people understand that if you attach your name to donald trump, you're going to get a lot of attention. he brings out the worst on both sides. we have a lot of racial division going on, and it's going to be interesting as we head into the fall -- >> i don't think he brings out the worst in people outside. the sciu is a major labor union.

labor in this country has become pro-immigrant reform and is largely made up of immigrants. >> that's a major story. >> the protests in chicago, for instance, when you have all that violence -- >> let me just be clear. when people talk about violence, no one should be snatching -- let me just say my own commitment. no one should be pushing anyone. no one should be snatching things out of people's hands, throwing rocks or lighting things on fire. that's my own feeling. let's just be clear, i've been doing reading about '68. what we're seeing, yeah, there's been some nastiness at the edges. we are light years away from when we talk about -- yes, exactly. lord knows i'm not hoping for it, but let's just keep all of this in context in terms of where we are. >> and let's place responsibility for people's actions. if you're throwing rocks, that's your responsibility, not the person inside. >> but when trump says, i'll pay

your legal fees if you attack someone. when he says, i want to punch someone. he has said things that -- there's a term incitement for a reason. >> and this is the key thing about him bringing out the worst in people, this goes back to his career in real estate development, where he appeals to the basic instincts of people. >> this is fascinating. we predicted it yesterday. hate to say i told you so, donald trump is turning down a debate with bernie sanders. >> oh, too bad. >> million tv executives weeping as we head into memorial day weekend. we'll have more information on this, but i'm just hearing he's officially turned it down. there was speculation about whether or not it was going to happen. we said yesterday sitting at this very table that i thought there was some very obvious goalpost moving that he was doing to try to get himself out of it. bernie sanders was 100% into it, not faking it.

exactly. >> i love you had howard dean on your show last night and i think he was right on. i found it stunning -- >> i had the same view as him, that it would be good for the democrats. >> i found it stunning that so many democrats lashed out at sanders. senator feinstein said he just wants attention for himself. excuse me, the guy just won 21 primaries. we did an interview with bernie sanders a few weeks after he announced last june. in it he said more democratic debates and i would love to debate republicans, which would be good for this country. >> josh, you feel differently? >> i get the lashing out, because it's a matter of risk. if things go on auto pilot, hillary will get the nomination, there will be coalescing or whatever. if this debate were a turning point that generated a lot of additional enthusiasm for sanders and allowed him to win california by 12 points and shook up the race, there's only down side for hillary.

>> the larger issue for hillary is that donald trump might appeal to some of sanders' people. >> let me read this statement, classic trumpian statement. i have the trump stationary there. statement on debating bernie sanders. based on the fact the democratic nominating process is totally rigged and crooked hillary clinton and debbie wasserman schultz will not allow bernie sanders to win, it seems inappropriate for me to debate him. therefore, as much as i want to debate bernie sanders and it would be an easy pay day, i will wait to debate the first place finisher in the democratic party, probably crooked hillary. >> in the metta analysis of this, what i find fascinating about donald trump is how often he is totally naked about the process, his intentions. >> totally agree. >> like his 15-state strategy.

i don't need to campaign in your state because i got you in the bag. >> that's one of the things, there are places that i don't understand the appeal of donald trump and places i do. one of the places i do is the weird nakedness of his whole shtick. it's his constant referring to the fact -- you got something for me here? all right, wait. we got the sanders' -- oh, this is before. minutes before it was smacked down, here's what bernie said. our campaign have received two offers by broadcast networks to host sanders-trump debate, both included a major contribution to charity. we look forward to working with the trump campaign to develop a time, place and format mutually agreeable. it's imperative this all comes together as soon as possible. we look forward to a debate to contrast the visions that

senator sanders and mr. trump have for our country. >> one of those is written by terry souther and the other is by tom payne. that is satire. >> this is the best debate of 2016 that we'll never see. >> i think bernie would have mauled him and exposed him as a con-man. >> the thing about this trump statement, it is so juvenile and very few people -- >> that part of it, i agree with you. >> very few people seem bothered by the idea of a very juvenile president, regardless of what his policies are or ideology. the president should not behave like a child and donald trump basis like a child and nobody cares. >> i disagree with you. >> you disagree? >> i don't think contempt or calling him a child gets you very far. >> but he is a child. >> wait, wait, wait. separate. before you continue, i want you to actually separate whether it's strategic or not. do you feel that way about his personality?

>> i think he's adolescent, still growing up. but in the context of the history and looking around the world, that it's kind of shocking that we have a guy now who's like thrashing and up-ending our political order that it's taken this long. we've had a few -- there was wallace, bucannon. but in the connell text of the economics and the pain and the failed bipartisan foreign policy leap, i don't agree. i think he's a bad messenger, but when you look around the world -- >> you call it juvenile, a lot of his supporters see it as straight talk and candor. especially when he says, here's where i am in the polls -- >> harry seagal had a great line, he said the guy is running on two principles. i tell it like it is and you shouldn't take anything i say seriously. and it's absolutely true. i'm saying by his own admission, he is running on those two principles. >> and there's a bit of genius in this. >> this whole thing happened, because he could have said to

jimmy kimmel, i'm not going to debate bernie sanders. he said, i want to debate bernie sanders. if he wanted to, he could. he's scared of bernie sanders. >> but it's a perfect job that he did, he brought the press to bernie sanders, keep the democrats divided. >> i think he was mulling it over. >> he might have been, but he mulls a thousand things over in his head on any given day. at the same time, he got the most out of it, elevated bernie sanders without having to debate him. >> the backlash, the reaction, from where i sit, to labeeral consensus enforcers, oh, my god. who should be against more debate? >> i koont agree more. >> josh's point, i agree with you. i'm almost professionally inclined to favor more debates. yes, i want more debates. that's where i'm coming from, but the backlash was, i think mostly people who support hillary clinton. >> sherrod brown should support both because they represent issues -- >> but they want hillary clinton

to win and they think it would hurt her. >> what does that say? there's panic among those who support hillary clinton. she must win against donald trump in order to salvage the best of the country. >> let me respond to josh. i do think that there's an up side for hillary clinton. here's what it is. bernie sanders transitioning from someone who's running against the democratic establishment to someone who is running against donald trump as a surrogate for the nominee. and him going after donald trump and making the case, which is what -- if he's going to be useful in the democratic party and to hillary clinton, he's going to have to do that in the next five months. him doing that on a big stage strikes me as a huge benefit. >> but how would he conduct himself? >> i agree. >> if he was willing to be a surrogate, that's one thing, but he continues to say, hillary clinton is being too presumptive, who knows if she'll be the nominee? >> i agree. there's risks. we're crossing to fan fiction,

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washington. start with blake at o'hare. questions about congestion at security checkpoints. blake, how's it looking today? >> reporter: it's looking pretty good. you mentioned the bad weather in the midwest. it just started raining in chicago. as we all know, any sort of weather in the midwest can create a mess for travelers. passengers being told to arrive two hours early, like they've been told across the country. it's been largely unnecessary today, though. let's go take a look at the lines. you can see it. this is the most line we've seen all day long, and look how fast it's moving. they have a lot of extra people out here today. they've approved a lot of overtime. and they've also tripled the number of dogs here at o 'hare. and there's a dog sniffing all the passengers as they pass by. if the dog does not smell explosives, it turns this into a giant precheck line, which means

people can leave their laptops in their bags and leave their shoes on, that's why it's moving so much more quickly. but all in all, passengers have been delighted as they've been coming to o'hair today. i'd say this line is no more than 10, 15 minutes. >> that's looking pretty good. thank you for that. i was there two weeks ago and it didn't look like that at all. there with my wife and two kids who were really struggling after two hours. to l.a. now, how's it looking there? >> reporter: so far so good here at lax as well. and lax is expected to be the busiest airport of this memorial day weekend. they are expecting 849,000 people to come through lax traveling through and of course anybody that travels through lax knows there are two lines to contend with. obviously the tsa line is one line. the other line, the traffic line, the grid, that gridlock coming into lax.

so today lax officials are encouraging people to jump on shuttles and that's exactly what we did earlier. take a look. >> this clump of cars that you're seeing, right now we're on the shuttle. that clump of cars is one of the 183,000 cars that are going to be coming through lax. it's one of the problems. before you get to the tsa lines, you have to wait in traffic. one of the reasons why they say give yourself ample time. how did you guys do this morning? >> we're about two hours early. so we're doing good. >> two hours. what's it like riding the shuttles and getting stuck in traffic here? >> oh, it's wonderful. wouldn't rather be doing anything better on a friday, right? >> reporter: kind of like an l.a. problem, right? >> yeah. >> reporter: even if there's a tsa line moving quickly, you can't escape the traffic. we'll see 229,000 people expected to come through here. they have stocked up on those tsa lines. they've got a lot more people in

place. so we've seen the lines moving pretty quickly. so far they're hovering around 15 to 20 minutes. one thing that will change later tonight, we have a lot of international flights coming n domestic flights coming in. so the wait times are expected to increase as the evening continues. chris, back to you. >> thank you. i want to bring in tom costello. you sat down with peter neffenger, he's had to face some tough questions. what did he tell you? >> i sat down with him and really talked about the progress that they're making and here's the story that's kind of a headline at this hour. you saw from chicago and lax, we've heard the same thing from atlanta, from miami, from dallas, from jfk, from denver, things are dramatically improving across the country for a whole variety of reasons. but i asked the tsa chief, i said what is a reasonable wait? what would that be in a tsa line? here's what he said. >> the average across the

system, the average peak across the system is well below 30 minutes. the average peak across the system. which means again, most airports are doing pretty well. the top 20 airports or so where you have the challenges. i will say, if you're in precheck or a trusted traveler program, 92% of all passengers are spending less than five minutes in line. so that helps if you can get yourself in the trusted traveler. >> if they have precheck? >> if they have precheck, that's right. >> he said they are seeing for the most part, the average wait is under 30 minutes in the top 20 airports. yesterday, 90% of the top 20 airports had waits under 15 minutes. so things have improved here for a variety of reasons. they've shifted people from part time to full time, approved overtime. you heard about the dogs and how that's speeding things along. they've all redistributed the manpower. we talked earlier in the week

about how some tsa officers were helping out at campaign events, screening people, going into campaign events, they're now being pulled back into their assigned airports. so for a variety of reasons, things are improving but it's a long summer ahead of us, and how long will this last? they have some big challenges ahead. >> can i ask you one more question about this? i've seen situations, i remember covering chicago during a crime spike and the mayor deployed a bunch of extra police officers to certain neighborhoods and paying for a lot of overtime. ultimately it wasn't a sustainable long-term solution. it seems to me, there's a lot of attention on the lines. neffenger is brought before congress. this weekend is a big travel weekend. is what they are implementing now a sustainable summer-long strategy or are we going to be back where we were? >> i think that's the question. the difference is that compared to a city and a fixed budget, congress has allocated the money, not only for the overtime, that's big, but to

allow the transition of part timers to full time. that's big. they're also staffing up, hope to have another 786 officers in the system by mid june. that's going to be big. so when you talk about all of that, and the hiring continues through the summer. the hope is that this will incrementally get better week after week after week. the tsa chief said we really think we're making progress, that we may have turned the corner. other factors, many airports have airline representatives, as well as airport staffers helping to move the tsa lines as well. all of that combined hopefully will help us make progress through the summer. but make no mistake, we could still run into rough patches through the summer. >> thank you for that. if you're deeply unhappy about the likely nominations of donald trump and hillary clinton, there will be a third option in play probably by the end of the weekend. why the libertarian party is feeling strong about its chances

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breaking news in the presidential race, donald trump has officially turned down an opportunity to debate bernie sanders. in a statement, trump says that while it would be an easy pay day, it would be inappropriate to debate sanders right now. instead he claims he's looking forward to debating the winner of the democratic nomination. this announcement came a few minutes after the sanders campaign said they had offers from two broadcast networks to host the debate and were ready to go. more on this story couple this hour. with high negative ratings for donald trump and hillary clinton, this could be a year that the libertarians could make their mark. a recent fox news poll shows gary johnson in third place, distant third behind trump and clinton, but with 10% of the vote, 5 points away from a cutoff to enter into the presidential debates. tony dokoupil is in orlando

where they are picking their nominee. and tony, what's the scene there? >> reporter: the scene is chaotic, chris. it's the biggest libertarian convention in the history of the party. about a thousand delegates here, hundreds more than in eight typical year. they're already on the ballot in 32 states. votes are being cast right here for the nominee. gary johnson, former gop governor of new mexico, is the front-runner. he's at 60%. he looks like he'll get the nomination. you mentioned that poll. he's at 10%. you might assume that 10% nationally against trump and clinton is coming mostly from disaffected republicans. but if you break it down, 6% is actually democrats. only 4% republicans. i caught up with gary johnson just a few moments ago and asked him, who is he pulling votes from. he mentioned republicans, but had more to say about hillary clinton. take a listen. >> so republicans out there, if you like donald trump, i'm your guy? >> yes. and then if you don't like hillary clinton, if you don't

like the notion that, gee, a government is probably going -- not probably, it's gonna get bigger, it's gonna tax more, and at the end of the day, hasn't hillary been an architect of our foreign policy that i think has made the world less safe, not more safe? >> so foreign policy, is that the biggest policy difference between yourself and senator clinton? >> well, a big government, small government. everything ends with a solution of growing government when i'm the opposite. smaller government is about freedom and liberty. when government is too big, that's tyranny. when government fears its citizens, that's liberty. >> reporter: the thing that i think is probably helping gary johnson with younger voters and democratic voters, he may be the only presidential candidate in recent times to be an open marijuana smoker.

he's an athlete, smokes it for medicinal wepurposes. and this could really, no joking, no fooling, this time we're serious, make an impact in november. >> tony dokoupil in orlando, florida. let's bring back our panel. milt freedman, in the background of that. well, let's talk about the actual political stakes here. it does seem to me, first of all, they have ballot lines. which is the key thing. when people talked about the never trump folks -- >> they missed the deadlines. >> all the deadlines. so if people want to register a vote that's basically neither, there's a place to do that. >> absolutely. that could be hope for the protest vote, but also home for the libertarian vote. there were speculation 2016 might be the libertarian moment,

rand paul injecting his issues into the conversation. that didn't end up being the case. >> it was the opposite, actually. it was like a total rejection of that. >> but there was an idea that the republican party would be embracing a candidate espousing those values. but remember back in 2000, ralph nader got only about 2% of the vote, and it was 2% that made the difference between al gore and george bush. >> even if johnson falls back, remember ralph nader still made a big difference. >> it put bill clinton in the white house. >> if you just look back, you would say, based upon where he's in the poll right now, he'd still get about 5% of the vote, which would be tremendous. >> and more if he got in the debate. >> it's only tremendous if the splits are different than in the general election. >> that's true. >> when you scratch the surface of nader, it looked like his splits were not that different

from the general electorate. >> exactly. >> i think that will be one of the things that we watch going forward. with the high negative ratings for hillary clinton and donald trump, it's no wonder he's getting 10%. i would potentially do it. >> if you look at bill crystal, the editor of the weekly standard, why is he never trump? because he feels that trump is not committed to neoconservative policy. you may end up with these two republican governors with seasoned resumes, but also they break with the party on a lot of key issues of foreign policy and social policy. so some republicans looking for a non-trump home, may not find this that appealing. >> but if they're single issue voters, if they're pro pot legalization voters, or if they're pro second amendment -- >> with the millenials there's been talk about how

libertarianism would attract millenials. but on issues like marijuana legalization, and you see support in bernie sanders, liberals seek a more active safety net and sanders has not only moved the democratic party to the left, but a generation to the left. i think this country deserves a multi-party system, but at the national level, we're talking about ballot access. until there are real reforms, i think national, you know, a third-party national third-party tends to, it doesn't -- it tends to spoil, which is a terrible thing to say, but it does inject ideas into the party. but jill stein should not be forgotten. >> third-party candidate. who also had ballot lines. >> about 12% of bernie sanders' people, 10%, may sit home, not vote, or vote for jill stein. there's a myth that they'll vote

for trump and/or the libertarian party. >> i think it would be more likely to see them vote for johnson than trump frankly. >> right. >> and i think that depends on how johnson carves out his cape. if he focuses on foreign policy, i'm against the war machine and hillary clinton is part of the war machine -- >> but another issue in attracting millennial votes and occupiers, just being anti-establishment, being someone else who will smash the political machine. >> we should be clear about what the polling tells us about the ideology of that. they're not libertarian. they are quite left. >> i agree with you, but they're also anti-establishment. >> i think it was interesting to talk about bigger and smaller government. if you poll that group of people, they're not for smaller government. >> but there's different kinds of anti-establishment too. if you had a sanders-trump debate, there's a false equivalence in much of our media now that they're coming from the

same place. they're not. they come from different values. you see a headline, trump will run against hillary from the left. no, he's not. he'll run from an isolationist, though i think it's more than isolationist. and there's also a myth that people vote in one straight line. a la carte. >> right, although voting has gotten a lot more ideological. >> when you say bernie has helped reveal that people want the strong government in the democratic party, trump has revealed a lot of people in the republican party want a strong government. to the extent that there's some slice of the electorate out there that does not want the strong government, not enough to control either of the political parties, apparently, but i can see that being enough to get gary johnson 10%. >> if he can get to the 15% threshold of the debates, because that makes all the difference in the world about -- >> john anderson and ross perot. but also 5% is important,

because that ensures federal funding going forward for your political party. >> that's a great point. there are some to look back at, for '68, which in many ways, this campaign, there's a lot of resonance with '68 in part because stone was a big nixon devotee and trump trying to craft the election in the image of '68. but george wallace got electoral votes. >> sure, but he had regional strength, which gar johnson -- >> right. >> he would basically be, you hit hilla hate hillary, you hate trump -- >> every state that wallace won in 1968, donald trump will carry -- >> georgia will be the exception. >> he didn't carry virginia. >> another move by president obama, becoming the first president to visit the site of the nuclear bombing of hiroshima japan.

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>> we have this just in. bernie sanders reacting to the news that donald trump will not participate in a one-on-one debate. take a listen. >> i hope that he changes his mind again. mr. trump is known to change his mind many times in a day. and i would, you know, trump goes around as a bully, he's a big tough guy. well, mr. trump, what are you afraid of? >> let's bring our panel back for some final thoughts. that's an amazing moment. >> you attack donald trump for being weak, there's nothing more

that gets under his skin. that's how elizabeth warren has done it. >> it's one of the most interesting dynamics in the last few weeks. he cannot let it go. he can't let it go with her. it drives him crazy. >> just a final moment to go back to the extraordinary scene of president obama in hiroshima. we are at a moment and one has to commend the president for doing what no previous president has done, but we need a reckoning with the future, not just with the past. president obama spoke eloquently about a world free of nuclear weapons. but the defense secretary in the first administration wrote a memoir and he said we're on the verge of greater nuclear catastrophe than we were in the cold war. we need to recommit to averting war and trying to build that world without nuclear weapons. president obama has put forth a modernization program, $1 trillion.

we don't need that. we should build down, not build up. we need to recommit to ending the scourge of war and finding a nuclear-free world. >> it's striking to me, you go back to '64, people who make goldwater comparisons to trump. in terms of how outside the existing party structure, that was the agreement. that you cannot let this guy get the nuclear codes. everyone understood, we're on the precipice and this might happen. that's receded from front of mind, but the weapons haven't receded. in some ways, the dangers are much more present. >> i was trying to imagine president donald trump in hiroshima. how would he give speeches like this? he's incapable of gravity. >> i was listening to that speech and i heard lofty rhetoric, but the reality on the ground, you can ask the syrians, did we prevent bloodshed there?

ask the libyans, that's now a beep beep and that was because of american policy is trying to overthrow gadhafi. >> sure. >> but the reality on the ground, president obama's words do not match his policy. >> it's the opposite, actually. >> obama has tried to do what he said, diplomacy first, war last. as he negotiated with cuba, normalization long overdue, and the iran deal may lead to broader engagement with iran. it takes two to tango. i'm not diverting the blame from russia, but the united states has put more weapons on russia's border than since the end of world war ii, it's a recipe for disaster. >> if you're a single issue voter on russian detente, i've got at tthe candidate for you. i'm serious. >> the hawkishness toward russia and china is insanity and will

lead to a new cold war as the president speaks wisely about building down. >> i'm chris hayes at msnbc headquarters in new york. i'll see you back here for "all in," "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's friday, it's an increasingly familiar scene these days. donald trump on the inside, protesters on the outside. reality tv like no other. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> good friday evening, i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." at this hour, it's not get-away day in san diego. we are monitoring what could become a tense scene in san diego, where there are a lot of