and china is insanity and will lead to a new cold war as the president speaks wisely about building down. >> i'm chris hayes at msnbc headquarters in new york. i'll see you back here for "all in," "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's friday, it's an increasingly familiar scene these days. donald trump on the inside, protesters on the outside. reality tv like no other. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> good friday evening, i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." at this hour, it's not get-away day in san diego. we are monitoring what could become a tense scene in san diego, where there are a lot of organized protesters who have

decided to descend on that city's convention center. why? good old donald trump is about to arrive and he'll be taking the stage there. you are looking at live pictures of the scene outside the venue. more than a thousand demonstrators are on site with more coming. it's been organized and prescheduled. police have been bracing for the unrest since yesterday. some protests are spontaneous. this one is not. four major groups are organizing around this trump rally, including the san diego democratic party. some groups are encouraging people to try to get inside the event to disrupt it. so there is potential for unrest, both outside and inside the venue. it could be what many a trump event is, a made for tv spectacle. we'll try not to allow the spectacle, though, to become the news. this of course follows a series of chaotic scenes at recent trump events, some of which have turned ugly. authorities have warned they will not tolerate any illegal

activity. trump held a rally in fresno and that protesters were ready for him there too. that wrapped up just a few hours ago. we talked about it in anaheim two days ago. the country is divided between urban america and rural america. these protests are taking place in areas with heavy hispanic presence. and perhaps sometimes even unrest. 30% of san diego's population is latino, that is significantly higher than the national average. so let's go to the scene right now out in california. jacob rascon is amid some of the protesters outside the san diego convention center. this is very organized. and usually with organization comes peace, usually. what are you seeing? >> reporter: so that's how it usually starts. what we tend to see is if the

protesters stay through the rally until the supporters are coming out, then we see a lot of clashes. let me take you around first, this is sort of the walk of shame. supporters walk by and you have people saying, bigotry this way, move along. then we have the ples presence, they're about everywhere we go. then i'll swing around and show you, chuck, we've talked about more people showing up, parades, people marching in and we just had a new one show up, off in the distance here, just about a few hundred feet away. waving the mexican flags over there. a lot of them. we're expecting there were hundreds of them. if you add it all up, you have probably around 2,000 protesters. there's been a lot of shouting back and forth, yelling, but so far, nothing physical. again, what we see, it tends to escalate and build. and as supporters come and clash with the protesters, and the anger's been building for hours, that is when you see a lot of things go wrong. the police step in and they say

they really put their foot down and say, no more, this has to stop. >> and jacob, have you seen, is he getting a big turn-out himself? is it going to be a packed house inside there? >> reporter: in fact, let's swing around and show you, off in the distance there, the line of people still going into the convention center. i don't know if you can see it beyond the protesters, but, chuck, they've been flowing into the convention center since before 7:00 this morning, and we know from the trump campaign, they say that they have given away more than 20,000 tickets and usually when they say they've given out a certain amount of tickets, not that many people show up, but close to it. it's a massive convention center. we expect more than 10,000 people will show up easily. they're still flowing in. >> jacob, thank you very much. want to bring in a

nationally syndicated columnist with the washington post, daly beast contributor. a california native who resides in san diego. ruben, good to see you. >> chuck, good to be with you. long-time fan, first-time guest. >> yes, well, let's not make it the last time. walk me through what you're seeing there in the hispanic community as far as this reaction from trump, not just today, but in san diego over the last few months. >> that's right. chuck, it's been happening in these latino cities like albuquerque, earlier this week, fresno this morning, san diego. whons where it will be tomorrow or next week. as the california primary nears on june 7th and donald trump makes more of a presence in california, you're going to see this more and more. this state is unlike any other. the largest state in the country, it's 39% hispanic. if you factor in people who are married to hispanics or have them as close friends, you're

talking 70 to 80% of the population. people here are deeply offended by donald trump and the way that he has, over the last 11 months effectively turned america's largest minority into a pinata for his own benefit, for his own amusement, to try to get political mileage out of the fact that he's attacked us and ridiculed us and clearly the folks in san diego are saying no more, no mas. >> we're watching this issue inside the republican party and obviously before -- right after the 2012 election, before donald trump showed up on their doorstep, you know, the republican party talked about, they've got to improve things with hispanics. i guess what is going to have a greater impact on the future of the hispanic voter in the republican party? what happens with prop 187 and pete wilson, you know, 20 years ago, or donald trump, is trump sort of a continuation of this -- of what prop 187 did -- began in california with hispanics and republicans?

>> that's a very good question, chuck. it's a continuation in the sense that it seems very familiar. america's finest city has a foul odor today, and it's donald trump and his campaign. there's a familiar sense that latinos have seen this movie before. somebody using as pete wilson did in 1994, hispanics for their own political benefit, as a pinata, as a foil to his routine. but the flip side of this, donald trump is very much the opposite of what we've learned in california since prop 187. you're right, up until donald trump came along, the assumption was that hispanics, if they didn't go to the republican party, they couldn't win anymore. donald trump is testing the theory. he's saying, i can get enough support from white voters, from voters who don't want us to pander to hispanics, let's roll the dice and see what happens. we'll see if he can get enough of a turn-out from mainstream voters to counter all the latino votes he's bleeding. >> the republican party of today in california has over the last -- has been trying to reach

out to the hispanic community. in fact, there's a robust conservative hispanic community up and down the state, particularly in san diego. how are they reacting to trump? >> that's a good question. they're very uncomfortable about it. but i've got to fault them on the one sense. they've learned enough not to antagonize hispanics because the numbers are so great. we're in a deep blue state. it's to nobody's benefit that my home state is so incredibly deep blue, that the california legislature can pass any bill it wants without a single republican vote. if you have that formula in a red state, it's bad for business, and in a blue state, it's bad for business. you need to have ohio, you need to have checks and balances. we don't have that in california. so they don't antagonize us, but they've been asleep and gutless, i will say. california republicans have been gutless and spineless in terms of confronting donald trump and versions of him, as they've come along. they just don't want to deal with it. so whenever racism and nativism pops up, they don't confront it.

okay, you're not antagonizing us, but you're gutless in terms of calling out the stuff when you see it. >> and while i have you here, i might as well talk about the democratic side of things. can bernie sanders make in-roads with latinos? >> there's a poll out this week from the public policy institute in california that shows the race in california in advance of june 7th to be a dead heat. 46% for clinton, 44% for bernie sanders. >> do you believe it? >> i do believe it. within the margin of error. that tells me bernie sanders is making in-roads with hispanics. hispanics have not warmed up to hispanics. they'll vote for her against donald trump. it's hurting hillary clinton, because they know she was there and watched it all happen with a front-row seat. >> that is still a problem, despite all of the executive

orders that barack obama has signed, that issue of deportations is still hanging over his head and hillary clinton's head. >> yeah, because the numbers are huge, chuck. three million people, 400,000 people a year for eight years, three million people, a lot of separated families. i told people all along, if you want to get latinos' goat, attack the family, the most important institution to the family, it's not the church and it's not government. it's the family. and barack obama deliberately, for political reasons, separated hundreds of thousands of families and deported 3 million people. he's got to wear that, he owns that. >> ruben, with fascinating observations there. appreciate it. good to talk to you. >> thanks, chuck. >> we'll keep an eye on trump's rally in san diego. protests outside as well. we'll bring you any news that develops. and we promise, news, not olds. up next, the biggest name in politics this weekend, it's gary johnson. he'll join me live. going to talk about how this

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up next, i'll be talking with a libertarian candidate for president, gary johnson, live from his party's nominating convention. let's take a look at how a third-party can impact the electoral map. the most impactful third-party candidacy was woodrow wilson for the democrats, taft for the republicans and bolting from the gop, former president teddy roosevelt. check this out. lot of blue on that map. why? wilson took 435 electoral votes running against two former republican presidents. one was sitting at the time. now this looks like a blow-out. but let's look at the popular vote. wilson got less than 42%. if you add up the republican and the former republican votes, you'd beat the democrat with

those numbers. this is what can happen when strong third-party candidates show up. with roosevelt or taft in the race, it may not have been a woodrow wilson presidency. there you have it. the gop had one the last four presidential elections before that. maine tells the story in 1912. wilson won six electoral votes with 39% of the vote. roosevelt and taft had 58% of the vote between them. 1912 was the only election to 1960 that maine went democrat, and this is why a third-party can matter. it's not just the states they could carry, it's where they could take vote away from one party and have a big electoral impact for the other. gary johnson joins me next.

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november is not happening in california and it involves someone you might not have heard of. the libertarian convention is under way in orlando, florida. it's a political environment that has been ripe for a third-party candidate and they're the only party with a chance of showing up on the ballot in all 50 states. right now they're up to 32. on sunday morning, 18 candidates will vie for party delegates and a nominee will emerge. past presidential candidate carrie johnson is the favorite to win. and he's already shaken up polling. clinton, 38, trump, 35, johnson 10. a recent fox news poll tells a similar story. by the way, at this point, johnson draws an equal amount of support from both trump and clinton voters in both of these polls. in 2012, gary johnson won 1.2 million votes as the libertyian nominee, the most votes ever for the party. analysts expect them to shatter

that record in 2016. the favorite for the nomination, gary johnson joins me now. governor johnson, welcome back to the show. let me start here. how nervous are you about getting this nomination? >> plenty nervous. nothing is guaranteed. but it is a process, respect the process and, chuck, i'd like to mention that i'd like bill weld to be the vice presidential nominee, something that he's also running for this weekend. i think the fact that having two former republican governors serving in states that are deep blue and being successful, being fiscally conservative, socially liberal, i think that we occupy the great middle and that the great middle is libertarian, it's just that they don't know it. >> let me ask you this. the last time i talked to you, i spent a lot of time about what

it is that you feel how you differ from the republican party. but let me ask you this. what do you think is the biggest part of your platform that will appeal to, say, bernie sanders' supporters? >> well, first of all, i think it's appealing to bernie sanders' supporters from the social side of, you know, a woman's right to choose, marriage equality, legalizing marijuana. let's stop dropping bombs, let's really examine our military interventions. crony capitalism is alive and well, and i think bernie sanders' supporters will be surprised. i think -- look, i think most people are fiscally conservative on top of that, understanding that you can't overspend in your own life and that should apply to government also. >> what would be the biggest piece of legislation that you would want to introduce if you

got elected in your first hundred days? what would be the focus of that first hundred days for you? >> well, that we would be able to significantly reduce the size of government. look, at the end of the day, i'm seeking to be elected president of the united states. count on me to sign on anything that moves us in that direction. but the more that government tries to do, the more it taxes us. so when it taxes us, that's money out of your and my pocket that we could be spending on our own lives, enjoying our own lives in lieu of government dictating how we should live our lives. >> but the number one issue for many voters is economic anxiety or income inequality or some combination of the two, is there anything you could do as president that would somehow negate income inequality or make

it a little less of a divide? >> i believe that. as governor of new mexico, i may have vetoed more legislation than the other 49 governors in the country combined. but what i saw is the government legislators, they pass all sorts of legislation that really give crony capitalism a foothold. what government can do is create a level playing field. that's all you can really expect from government. but there's not a level playing field out there right now. advantage goes to those that have money, that have influence. i am espousing eliminating income tax, corporate tax, abolishing the irs, replacing it with one federal consumption tax. i think you would issue pink slips to 80% of washington lobbyists, because they're there to garner tax favor. >> and finally, let me ask you

this, are you comfortable being a spoiler? if your candidacy -- >> absolutely. >> okay, go ahead. >> well, by absolutely spoiler, look the three polls where my name has appeared, and the key really is just to have the name appear in the polls. but in the three polls that i've appeared in, i've taken more votes away from hillary than trump. but at the end of the day, a third-party draws equally from both camps, both democrats and republicans. and at the end of the day, if we can move democrats to be a little more fiscally responsible, and we can move republicans to be a little more socially acceptable, that's a real win. >> all right, gary johnson, possibly libertarian party nominee. we'll check back with you next week, see how you did on sunday. >> hopefully. thank you very much, chuck, for having me on.

>> you got it. let's bring in msnbc political analyst chris cillizza, anita dunn and msnbc political analyst and long-time republican counsellor ben ginsburg. silliza, let me start with you. normally you ask a third-party candidate if they mind being a spoiler -- he's basically saying, i know what i am. i am a spoiler. >> just as you were doing that, i was tweeting that answer out. because that's surprising. give gary johnson some honesty points. if it divides his support right down the middle, he can say, we took from republicans, we took some democrats, we have a voice. i think he's looking in the longish term. i'm skeptical that gary johnson, i think there's a significant amount of people who will vote for someone who is not donald trump or hillary clinton. i'm not convinced that gary johnson is a pero-like figure

that could energize a country who's looking for something different. though this is a perot-like moment, i don't think he's the guy. >> the problem is, donald trump is a third-party candidate, hijacked a major party. >> he got on the ballot. >> right. green party will have a significant presence in a number of states as well. how concerned are you that some sanders supporters and enough of them could swing a -- you know, it won't take much to swing a virginia or ohio, how concerned are you? >> it is going to be a challenge for the democratic nominee to make sure that doesn't happen. you know, i totally agree with chris. i think there's a place in 2016 for one or even two additional candidates to garner some support for both of them. i can see a green party candidate getting some support from trump, from republicans as well. some of those classically

environmental republicans. so i think it's not as clear-cut. but i think what's really interesting about gary johnson and bill weld, they're playing for the debates already. >> yep. >> and he didn't do it with you, but he's done it basically for the last week. >> and we should tell people, it takes 15%. i feel like i have a polling challenge myself here, because you have -- do you ask the three-way, or do you ask the four-way, because jill stein is likely the green party nominee. they'll be on 30, 35 states, i don't have the final number yet. combined, stein and johnson probably will poll over 15%. individually, they won't. >> they won't. sort of the same problem you showed with the 1912 race. it's gonna bust your budget. >> right. i think you ask them all. >> and i think you have to. one of the interesting things about the gary johnson interview, if you think of donald trump and hillary clinton, it is easier for donald

trump to take over that gary johnson message if he gets -- >> not only that, thinking about the debates, if you're trump, trump, i think he doesn't want a one-on-one debate. i think he would love to have extra people. >> more foils. >> exactly. >> more foil and it's a way to -- he'd like disappearing for 10 to 15 minutes. >> that was the dynamic from 1980, ronald reagan insisted he wanted john anderson in. it's an interesting dynamic because anderson occupies that same face and reagan pushed for it and carter wouldn't do it. >> we never saw a one-on-one debate of trump of anyone who you thought -- that's hard because he's got to fill a lot of time. >> and i got to get this up here. let me put up the five states essentially that when you look at the 2012 results, that if you pulled four or five points from one party or the other, two

blues and three reds. maine, minnesota, if a third-party pulls from the left than the right, that suddenly makes that a playable state for both. paula paige is governor. donald trump is governor of maine. because of that. and then arizona, missouri and indiana are red leaning states, if you took enough away -- >> to bring that map into the debates, into context, the game of chicken that will take place over whether a candidate is going to go into the debates, if there are three or four candidates on the stage, will be sort of unprecedented too. >> especially if one of the major candidates wants three or four people. [ all speak at once ] >> clinton wants one-on-one. she believes she wins that. >> sure. >> all right, you guys are sticking around. i can take a break. [ laughter ] is marco rubio really looking to run for the u.s. senate? something smells fishy here. like this is an orchestrated draft, but we'll see. how the florida senator is

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well, if donald trump speaks in san diego, he's also making some headlines across the country in the state of florida. in that senate contest. there's a very crowded republican field in the race to succeed marco rubio. but that group might add another name -- marco rubio. after he got out of the

presidential race, rubio was adamant, not seeking re-election, no chance, no how. gotta make money. yesterday morning, bob corker publicly called for rubio to seek another term. this followed a closed-door senate meeting of republicans where several members discussed their hope that rubio would run, sort of started with mitch mcconnell, believe it or not. that afternoon, rubio told cnn he was open to speaking on behalf of donald trump at the republican convention and that he wanted to be, quote, helpful. that is, yes, marco rubio pledging his support to the man he sparred with on the debate stage. that cnn interview aired at 4:00 p.m. here's what donald trump tweeted around 10:00 p.m. poll data shows that marco rubio does the best at holding on to his senate seat in florida. run, marco. just marco. not little marco. in the past, rubio said he's staying out of the race, because carlos lopez kantera is running to succeed him.

but if he wasn't in the race, what would happen? this is what rubio told jake tapper. >> might you reconsider? >> he's a friend, an actual friend. >> i've known him since the dole campaign in '95 as college students. but sure, maybe, i enjoy my work in the senate. i always did. >> well, something's up here. are senate republicans together with donald trump trying to orchestrate a draft of rubio? joining me now, republican strategist with ties to the florida and jamal simmons with also ties to florida, former press secretary to bob graham. welcome to you both. brad, i gotta start with you. >> sure. >> there are, i believe, as many people running for senate as they ran for president at one time. it's a pretty crowded field. >> it's the madison square garden of american politics. it's the swingest of the swing states. >> there's a lieutenant

governor, there's diversity in the field, there's a lot of stuff going on. >> it's a race worth entering. the florida races go down to the wire. they're very intense. it has a robust political culture, it's a race worth being in. >> and jamal, part of me wonders, it doesn't matter who the nominees are for an open senate race in a swing state like florida, because it's really hard to over-perform or under-perform your presidential candidate by more than two or three points, particularly in florida. >> that probably makes sense, which is why the real challenge for the democrats in that race is gonna be getting those bernie voters who might be left out there somewhere to come back to hillary clinton -- or come to hillary clinton, so that the senate candidate with maximize and make it work. but i think we'll end up with murphy as a senate candidate. >> you got your own issues there with -- [ laughter ] [ all speak at once ] >> the democrats have their own potential challenge, but back to the marco rubio thing.

it seems like it may feel good in the moment when a bunch of people want you to run after your ego has been bruised, but i think this would be harder for him to win than he thinks. >> every race in florida is hard, first off. he's have a primary and a general. >> not everyone gets out. the field thins. >> not for rubio, not for bush, no one could clear this field. he has to take that into consideration. he also starts with zero dollars in his hard federal count. the second quarter is almost over and he has zero dollars. it's a very expensive states. it's not something you do on a whim. >> my question, why does he want to do this if you're marco rubio? if you think trump doesn't win, i've got a chance four years from now. >> this strikes me less about rubio and more of mitch mcconnell panicking about the florida senate race. my reporting said this all truly

began at a senate republican conference where mcconnell basically embarrassed rubio, who wants him to run and everybody's hand went up. it's clear, it was not a gee whiz moment. >> washington's swamp and swamp's have fevers, especially in the summertime. >> look at you. i take it you don't like this move. >> it's typical washington. 2010, washington elites decided charlie crist was the candidate and rubio said, i have a better idea and the florida voters agreed with him. democrats are great at rigging primaries. they're almost undefeated. >> he's right about the establishment having better luck pushing people out. >> you can't herd republicans, so it's impossible to rig one. >> patrick murphy, the person that the elites hoped would win and that's going to be a nasty fight. he put out a statement that essentially said, marco rubio

wants to come into a job he didn't like. that to me sounds like a pretty easy attack line for the democratic nominee in the fall. i don't know how rubio overcomes that. >> it is an easy attack line. rubio's senate record will become a very big issue. and the question becomes, he wants to do what? why didn't he make that choice on his own? >> do this. how would you counsel rubio to get out of this rhetorical bind? >> i don't think he's in one. he's been footloose since he left the presidential race. twitter star -- >> he's in a tweet storm right now. come on, marco, respond to me. they always stunk in high school football, buddy. >> i think he's had a lot of fun since he left the presidential race. i suspect he's having fun right now. and he's trying to make sure his organization is still together. he's still not done in politics. i just don't think it's this race. >> rubio on the ticket does help trump, makes it a little bit

harder for hillary clinton in florida, does it not? >> florida's going to be harder regardless. just because it always is. she's going to need every help she can get. it made sense that trump would want him there, to help with the hispanics. >> but the democrats the hispanics go after are not the marco rubios. >> but rubio's done a better job speaking to them. >> and governor scott broke even with the hispanic vote in florida. it's very different from other states. >> very complicated, always fun. we'll continue to monitor the trump rally in san diego and protests that are happening outside. our panel will be back to talk about those latest developments and the trump-sanders debate saga. apparently trump said no. stay tuned. ♪ [female narrator] you listen when your body says: "i'm tired." or, "i'm hungry." what if your body said something else might be wrong?

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trump campaign to develop a time, place and format that's mutually agreeable. 30 minutes later, donald trump squashed the whole thing with this. based on the fact that the democratic nominating process is totally rigged and crooked hillary clinton and debra wasserman schultz will not allow bernie sanders to win, and now that i am the presumptive republican nominee, it seems inappropriate that i would debate the second place finisher. yes, it also included a reference to crooked hillary one more time. for his part, sanders said he hopes trump changes his mind -- again. >> mr. trump is known to change his mind many times in a day. and i would, you know, trump goes around he's a bully, he's a big, tough guy. well, mr. trump, what are you afraid of? why do you not want to see a debate here in california and obviously all across this country on why you think it's a good idea to try to divide up our people? >> so there you go, let me bring

in back the panel. chris cillizza, anita dunn, and ben ginsburg. we're at the portion in the trump rally where he's kicking protesters out. >> get them out, get them out. like he's a kindergartner. >> let's dip in he, he's talkin about bernie sanders. >> the system is rigged. our system is rigged too. except for one thing, if you win by massive landslides every week, it's no longer rigged. it's like the boxers -- that's right. that's what happened. the system was not meant for me to come in as an outsider that built a great company. i built a great, great company. when i filed, when i -- in fact, papa doug knows, when i filed my papers, over a hundred pages in federal elections and i filed. tremendous company, tremendous iconic assets, unbelievable cash

flow, very little debt, makes a lot of money. and they were so unhappy to see it. but i say it for a different reason. and i started off with a million dollar loan and have a net worth of much more than $10 billion. and i don't even want it. all i want to say is, this is the kind of thinking that we need to straighten out this mess that they've given us in our great country. this is the thinking we need. >> there you go. some familiar rhetoric. a little shout-out to papa doug. >> you know what i'm talking about, papa doug. >> you betcha. it's a good get for him. >> let's go back to this trump-sanders debate. anita, you've been warming them up with debates anyway. what i can't figure out is why trump's the one backing out. just strategically, to me it's a total win for him if this happened. he gets to debate the opponent

of his opponent. >> well, on the other hand, he's one-on-one which, we were talking about this earlier, chuck. he hasn't been one-on-one with anybody for a long time, like ever -- >> not in this campaign. >> he never once. it's not clear how that actually could go. the debates he did best in is where other people got the most air time. it doesn't advance him to debate bernie. it would advance bernie to debate trump. >> which only hurts hillary clinton. there's only one loser in this debate. >> it's punching down. he's the presumptive guy. i've won. he hasn't won. >> maybe i'm wrong about this because the things he wants to do, he does regardless of what paul manafort says. he was initially intrigued by it. if you believe the guy views everything through the lens of this would be a pretty good show, that would be a pretty

good show. i think theoretically that someone talked to him and said there's very little for you to gain. >> i totally disagree. i think it's only upside for him. i think he would then go, bernie, why do you think she has bad judgment? he would use it as a game. >> bernie wouldn't play along. >> sanders wouldn't play along. he would use it as an opportunity to score points against trump. the reason he wants to do this is show he is the candidate who can go against donald trump. >> income equality. it's right there that that debate. >> we go to party unity. if this came to fruition, i was qui democrats would do a lot to back off. i feel like the only person might be chuck schumer. he does want to be a senator.

>> he's going to be a senator if he's not the democratic nominee. the people get the final say on that. there's no sign that he is slipping in vermont. i think that the leverage on sanders is very simple which is he himself has said that we cannot allow donald trump to become president. at the end of the day, if he believes that, i believe he's very genuine when he says that. it's not going to be a straight line. it's not going to look like 2008. probably shouldn't look like 2008. it's a very different campaign. >> i do think, chris, as much as we swore six weeks ago, republicans will never unite and it happened. >> marco rubio. >> probably how quick he'll look back and say what we were talking about here. >> i think it might take longer for the principals and the top campaign staff to get on board, but if you look in polling, nbc, washington post, if you look at

polling, yes, progressive, liberals prefer bernie sanders most of the time. they like her. there's no dislike for her. there's a segment of bernie people who say it's not statistically based on the data. >> the reason trump is ahead in one or two polls is there are sanders voters. >> she hasn't gotten the nomination yet. >> we'll take another break. you guys are sticking around. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. and it's empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.

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this is a time lapse video of thousands of trump supporters that were still in line for nearly five hours after the doors opened. a kind of fun little video there. thank you. let's go to the e-mails this week. this should have been, to me, an incredibly bad week for clinton. instead it was a bad week but she's still with donald trump. >> there will be long term disadvantages she's got from this. the trustworthiness. thing she's been saying for months. contradicted by the ig's report. that's a long term problem. it was also some of the discipline of a first time candidate. the trump campaign made some news on the same night that the ig's report came out that stepped on the story. that is a lesson learned.

>> which was totally, 100%, why? susana martinez hadn't said anything about donald trump of late. i wonder, the thing i keep going back to is there a trump 2.0 that exists. is there a guy that says, you know what, we did step on that. the second we saw it we say let that story run. >> can you introduce me to the 69-year-old humaning wit being. >> especially after it's been reenforced especially after what you did to beat 16 people worked. >> you've got to learn to win. >> he thinks he did win. he's saying i beat this field.

incredibly talented guys and i beat them all my way and now there are people telling me to change it. >> i don't understand their explanation on this e-mail. it's like they won't give us the real explanation. here's what it feels like. i have my own theory. it doesn't feel like they are giving us the real explanation. >> i thought what secretary clinton said yesterday was exactly right, which is, i made a mistake. i should have done it differently. >> she hasn't told us why she did it. >> at tend of the day, i think people will come up with their own conclusions but what's important is she's got to acknowledge the error. she has to be able to say i messed up. >> doesn't motive matter. what if it's i want to make it hard for open records. >> she's never going to say that. >> i don't know. >> you've got a -- i think that

and chris wrote this today. >> last word. >> people will look at the totality of these two candidates. they're human beings. both of them have problems. i think the totality of her versus him. >> that was her answer to me. oh yeah, what about him. >> i thought her answer was the right one. >> we'll be back tuesday. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press" on your local station. good evening to you. donald trump is holding rally right now in san diego with thousands of supporters inside the convention center and about a thousands protesters outside. this event is something special. it's just 16 miles away from the u.s.-mexico border. that's the closest donald trump has been to the borde