good day, everyone. we're live at msnbc headquarters here in new york. it's 3:00 p.m. on the east. high noon out west. and this is what's happening this hour. trump takes them all. the gop nominee in the nation's capital speaking at the rolling thunder rally aimed at honoring our nas's heroes. a judge ordered release of documents and the polls. in it to win it. bernie sanders refusing to give up on the democratic no will nation. continuing his push to win the golden state primary. but addressing the hopes if he's unable to beat hillary clinton. >> i would hope if i am not the

nominee that the vice-presidential candidate will not be from wall street, will be some who has a history of standing up and working for fighting families. >> and breaking news in orlando, florida. the libertarian party is naming the nominee. this just a short while ago. what we know about the man who just became your third option on november's ballot. but first, we start in the nation's capital where donald trump just spoke at the rolling thunder motorcycle rally. an annual event held as a tribute to pows and missing americans in action. trum top day addressing the controversy surrounding the money he says he's raised for veterans organizations. >> our veterans have been treating so badly in this country. you have a secretary that last week said, no the wait time doesn't matter. forget about wait time. i know people and i got to know so many vets and we just raised almost $6 million for the vets

because i didn't do a television show. i said let's do. this and we're announcing on tuesday all the groups we put up this money and raise this tremendous amount of money because we love the vets. that will be announced on tuesday. all the groups that got the money will be announced on tuesday. we're having a big press conference. it's going to be a great day. sbret to take care of our vets n many case, illegal immigrants are taking much care, are taking much better care by this country taking care of than our veterans. and that's not going to happen. okay? it's not going to happen. we're not going to allow that it happen any longer. >> all right. kelly o'donnell joins us live from washington. she attended that event. so kelly, trump says he's going to release the names of the organizations. i know it's something that dogged his campaign early on. there were a lot of questions about which organizations

actually received if any of this money. will this clear up the issue surrounding his fund-raising for vets? >> well, it certainly will if he is able to demonstrate that real organizations that do work on behalf of veterans receive specific dollar amounts and basically to do the accounting. so he talked about that today sort of in a very classic trump way, promoed what will happen on tuesday with a news conference and laying out the specifics that came about because krit kichl has followed the trump campaign after he says he raised $6 million and the campaign backed off that number somewhat and there were reporters and outside interest groups and veterve veterans organization that's are saying where about d. that money go? we heard donald trump talk about that came into being. this was a compressed speech by donald trump that is not that different than what he does on the campaign trail. after earlier we were told it was going to be focused purely about veterans and their importance to the country. certainly touched on that but

expanded to other topics that are a part of his regular campaign trail experience. he also seemed to make quite a bit of attention about the fact that there was a big open space behind him. that was in part because the rolling thunder vent doesn't in and of itself require the same security that a trump vent because of the secret service that is required. there were a couple different intrance points where they had to be screened and there was lag time people getting in. there they kept referencing that crowds are not as big as expected. he thought even at one point making a reference to the historic vent that happened here on the national mall when martin luther king jr. did his i have a dream speech right here at the lincoln memorial. those were different times, different occasion. trump seemed to be aware of the fact it wasn't the typical thousands upon thousands right in front of him. so that was part of it. this was trump getting a big reception bhi people who came here to see him among those who would normally attend rolling

thunder and others who came because he was part of the attraction today. we talked to some of those in attendance that wanted a chance to see trump in washington, d.c., and today they got it. >> all right. we'll wait until tuesday to see which organization is donald trump name when he does. that and while donald trump is focused on the general election, bernie sanders is maging it difficult for hillary clinton to dat same. sanders is within two points of the latest california poll. despite calls from some democrats to ease out of the race. and the delegate map that is actually heavily against him. sanders doesn't sound like a candidate ready to give up. >> i want to go into the convention with more pledged del cats than secretary clinton. that's going to be an uphill fight swrechlt 46% of the pledge delegates. what i want to do and i think we can is win california here and win in a big vote. do very, very well in the other

five states. and i believe going into the convention, if we can do this with the majority of pledge delegates is a very symbolic victory. >> nbc's kristen welker is following the race for us. good to have you with us. sanders still hopeful he can catch hillary clinton wlachlt is her campaign telling you this afternoon as sanders refuses to back down? is there a frustration growing among clinton campaign towards the sanders campaign? >> will is some frustration. at the same time, they underextort fact the primary folk us is on taking on donald trump. they've been insistent from the very beginning that he should stay in this race for as lng as he wants to. what we saw today though, secretary clinton's surrogates really turning up the heat on senator sanders. senator dianne feinstein sending a message to him loud and clear saying on one of the morning shows that race is all but over. and not so subtle attempt to nudge him to get out of this race. but senator sanders defined

today on "meet the press" saying he's not going anywhere. he's in this race until the very end. expressing a noelt of confidence about chances in california. now interestingly, when asked about running as secretary clinton's vp pick, he didn't rule that out. take a listen. >> you would take the call if hillary clinton asked you to be her running mate? >> well, right now, again, what i am -- here we are in california. i'm knocking my brains out to win the democratic nomination. that's where i am right now. what happens afterwards, we will, you know, we'll see. but right now my focus is on winning the nomination. >> and senator sanders vowing to stay in california until the democratic prime airy. secretary clinton will be in new york tomorrow. she's going to participate in the annual memorial day parade and then heads to new jersey. that's a state that could put her over the top in terms of the delegate count, even more -- even before all of the votes are counted in california.

so when you look at the math, she still in a commanding position. >> all right. thank you very much for that. and as the presuperintendentive republican nominee speaks, how are his campaign and his party shifting toward the general election? joining me now is republican strategist and campaign veteran owe brian murray who is supporting donald trump. good to have you both with us. if i can start with you, obviously, trump's campaign manager clarified the comments about the search for a vice president. i want to play that sound bite and i'll get your reaction to it. >> it's the qualifications of the candidate that matter, not the gender or ethnicity. that doesn't mean there aren't women or hispanics on the list. that means he's looking at the qualifications. there are many republican women who are qualified and several of whom may be on the list. >> and "the washington post" is saying among those on the list are governor mary fallon.

who do you think would be a good vice-presidential pick for donald trump in a general election? >> you have a couple things. normally the vice president pick is a pitbull that can go after the opponent. somebody balances the ticket. here you need someone that has washington experience, government experience. he doesn't have it. the two women you mention ready terrific. but i think it really also comes down to who can work with them? who is willing to accept him as the leader of the party and what he believed? because remember, the goal of any reporter on this race and the owe poen sents going to be to show daylight between the nominee and the vice-presidential pick. >> is identity a factor in choosing a pick? should that be a factor? >> it should not be a factor. but it becomes one. when you poll in ohio and florida and other states that are swing states and you see who can win, it's not going to be polling a woman, it's going to be should it be this person? and this happens to be a woman. so it becomes a natural with any of the polling and any

conversation that takes blase. >> david, let's talk about marco rubio. he had a long feud with donald trump throughout the early primary season. he said that he's now willing to support donald trump and, in fact, on cnn this is what he had to say. take a listen and i'll get your reaction on the back end. >> i have real issues with the way he conducted himself and certain aspects of his campaign. that remains. he's now the republican nominee or presumptive nominee and will be the nominee. i think he has an opportunity to enter a second phase in this campaign. >> okay. >> so you heard him there talking about a second phase. what do you think that second phase looks like for a donald trump campaign? especially to try to get people like marco rubio once his rival in the primary is to get his support? >> well, i can speak as somebody who is sat down and interviewed donald trump on more than a dozen occasions. the second phase of that campaign brings in two dynamics we have not seen a lot of yet. first of all is a sense of this intellectual curiosity, this

almost academic interest in the world that he hasn't had a reason to show yet. he's been so greasive and it's about recruiting people by the force of his personality. he's going to be showing a lot of his ideas moving forward. i think that's going to attract a lot of people like rubio. the other thing, though, is just a matter of looking forward to november in a serious way. he's going to be more of a traditional politician. we've seen this with fund-raising emphasis. we've seen this with him being willing to accept a little bit of warmth from people that he distanced himself from before. rubio is one of them. this is a new report from the "washington post" that a federal judge ordered the release of documents related to a lot against trump university. and anent why you trump primary tried. this if this goes to trial, the case would be set for after november. right after the election.

it is this something that you think republicans are concerned about saying that he's going to run a more traditional political campaign? >> no. look this whole case has been kind of a distraction. it hasn't really registered. there is no reason to believe it will be going forward. if i'm trump, i'm saying fine, penitentiary it off until after the election f we have to settle a case, we settle it later. having looked at what we've seen so far, i don't see any reason to think that trump wouldn't prevail. i haven't seen anybody be successful in hanging it around his neck. it's really a nonfactor? >> i don't. >> look at the ig investigating hillary at this point. you don't have that now. it is president obama's ig going after hillary at this point. so she has a much bigger issue to worry b. >> all right. we have a lot more to talk about throughout this hour. we'll see you in a little bit. stay with us. and we're watching what is turning out to be a very wet memorial day weekend. tropical depression bonnie makes

land fall on the carolina coast. this is a picture showing southbound lanes why up to eight inches have fallen so far. more flooding is expected this afternoon. now the weather channel's reporter joins us from charleston, south carolina. obviously the conditions there, very difficult. talk us to about what what you're seeing in terms of both some of the evacuation orders in the area and more importantly, the conditions on the ground. >> yeah. good afternoon. this is the storm that you see coming on shore here at 8. 306789 this morning. right in this general area around iowa palms. bonnie came ashore. it is now a tropical depression. but that's when the flooding began. flooding throughout neighborhoods and north wert of here, the firefighters spent the afternoon and the early morning pulling cars out of flooded neighborhoods and as soon as they could pull those out, the flooded watt woerz go away.

so they had a flash flood situation in at least two areas north of charleston. you mentioned on i-95 that ten mile stretch near hilton head was shut down for a while. the problem with that is that they rerouted people on to surface streets, right? the surface streets are right near rivers that are rising so the troopers who are watching that evacuation from the highway and detour are making sure that those rivers rrnt overflowing on to the detour lane so they don't have flooding on the highway and flooding on the detours as well. this is a slow moving storm. it's going to keep on moving up and up the coast. it's going to go through the outer banks. it's going to go tlo through virginia beach and wipe out a lot of barbecues. it has this weekend. a lot of people who are planning for this to be their memorial day weekend had to make other

plans. >> all right. we'll see what impact it has on travel. i'm sure it will have some impact on the eastern coast there. all right. the weather channel's dave malkoff, thank you for that update. >> historic flooded prompted mandatory evacuations around the houston area including two bringses as the brasoz river is expected to reach dangerous flood levels. torrential rains left two people dead and four more missing as swollen rivers jefr run some communities. >> the battle over bathroom rights for trance trans gender americans. the issue could play a role in the polls in november. the libertarian party nominated the pick for president. the nominate prague didn't go as smoothly as some expected. we'll take you live to the party convention in orlando, florida, whether msnbc live continues this sunday. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪

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welcome back, everyone. the obama administration is under fire over the new trans gender directive in public schools. 12 states are suing the white house, challenging the nationwide directive to public schools to allow students to use bathrooms based on gender identities. texas is leegd the lawsuits to block the bathroom policy. the state's attorney general addressed the president's role in what he calls a state matter. >> this should not be pushed on us by an administration that overreaching. the obama administration doesn't follow the constitutional process and they end up acting like a king. >> joining me from washington, abby livingston. let's talk a little bit about anticipation here. do you anticipate this issue having a big role in the general election come november? >> it remains to be seen. i think if you look at how much

this has divided and how both sides of the issues reacted to this, this is a motivating issue. on the other hand as we've seen in past campaigns, the financial crisis didn't occur until september 15th and then the 2014 midterms, isis and ebola had not come into the fray. so there may be an issue that completely overwhelms it. here's a look at an anti-lgbt campaign. defeat proposition one in houston. i'll get your reaction to it afterwards. >> any man at any time could enter a woman's bathroom simply by claiming to be a woman that day. no one is exempt. even registered sex offenders can wall women or young girls into the bathroom f a business tried to stop them, they'd be fined. protect women's privacy. prevent danger.

vote no on the proposition 1 bathroom ordinance. it goes too far. >> so these images and words are obviously very powerful. resonate with some voters. how do you see the community countering the attacks? >> well, they indeed were effective in houston last fall. but the transcommunity will argue this only further stimulatsystetig my tieses a population that has a hard time in society. i think one of the more interesting counter arguments to give this sort of case that's being made is actually from the local school officials who really don't like being inserted between the statewide officials and the president. and so they say please just leave us alone and keep us out of your fight with the president. >> and i know this is also had some impact on some states's bottom line, for example, north carolina. you know, they see a loss of hundreds of millions of dollars with businesses and film industry and companies pulling out, the state performers cancelling shows in protest. it doesn't seal to be an issue

in texas, at least this kind of boycotting of the state. why do you that i is? >> for one, it's just a legal and political argument. our state legislatures doesn't go into session until next year. i think it will start becoming more of an issue if it's codified into law enforcement texans may not react that well to, you know, a perceived elite rock star saying i'm not coming to your state. they might just say well we'll go listen to country music. and so it will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next year or so. >> all right. the texas' tribune, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> next, breaking news out of orlando. the libertarian party just named the 2016 nominee. that will be next. ♪

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ncht third party candidate from donald trump or clinton. he is polling in double digitses in two national polls. >> is there any new information on who johnson's running mate may be? >> the libertarian party does things different than the other two paerlts. they do not get a right to pick the vice-presidential nominee. there is a separate nominating process. arranged marriage between the candidates. and right now johnson a few moments ago said he can't win the office of the presidency unless he gets the secretaried nominee. he is the gop governor of massachusetts. he just took the stage a moment ago. we'll see if we can grab him a secretary. come with me. a few steps in here. mr. wells, we're live right now on msnbc.

you declared yourself a libertarian for life. there were boos in the audience. how is it going? >> well, i was happy to have her say what she said. that is a plus. she was endorsed by austin peterson. that is increasing the coalition. >> if you don't take this vice-presidential position, would you encourage gary to continue on or to drop out? >> i'd have a coverage with gary and support him in whatever decision he made. >> yesterday donald trump said that you shouldn't bring up his fascism and won't bring up your alcoholism. i know you said you're going to let that commend ride. are you prepared for a general election campaign where those kind of personal attacks are part of the script? >> absolutely. >> i left my privacy at the door a long time ago. i'm going to let it ride. >> you're going to let it ride. he's not. >> any truth to the allegation? >> i declined. >> how many longer it is going take for you to win over this

room to take the nomination? >> well, i think this is going to be a few balance, probably. i mean even gary will to go balance. i think this might be three or four. >> whether did you resolve to quit the republican party and why? >> you have to to be a candidate for a libertarian national office. >> but what happened to make you do it? >> i talked to gary who offered me the number two spot on the libertarian ballot. and i thought it was a duty of the country to get into elevate the national debate. >> so once you make that decision, you have to become a libertarian and that means you have to not be a republican. >> so you're in this to elevate the national debate but not to elevate libertarianism? >> i think it's the same thing. i don't agree with the platform of either party. i agree with the platform of the libertarian party, namely, socially tolerant and inclusive and economically conservative. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. so the first ballot vote for the presidential nominee will take

place in a few moments. bill wells is the chair of the wyoming delegation here. thing kbz helicopterer xelter on the libertarian party platform. so that's why he's on the wyoming side here. this is a really important vote because if weld and johnson are together on a ticket in november, they could potentially take ten or even 15% away. of the general election vote. it could hurt bernie sanders in november. that could come november. jason johnson, politics editor at the root and david murdoch from the daily mail, thank you both there, gentlemen, for joining us. jason, let me start with you if i can. much have been made about the democrats, particular lit growing division among the party. bernie sanders was asked whether

he had a responsibility to unite his supporters if he doesn't win. take a look at how he responded to that question. >> at the end of the day, whether it's secretary clinton or bernie sanders or anybody else, the way you gain support is through the candidate himself or herself. so my job is to make sure that trump does not become president and i will do that. but it is second -- if secretary clinton is the nominee, it is her job to reach out to millions of people and make the case. >> but do you -- you just said you want to do whatever it takes to stop him. you don't believe you need to be out there telling your supporters. you may not be happy with hillary clinton. but she is better than him. >> well, no question about that. no question about that. >> so is that really just hillary's responsibility you think, jason? and what role should sanders play in trying to unite the party come november? >> here's the thing. nobody has a responsibility to do anything but try and win the race right now. and i've been very, very critical on the root and other

places about bernie sanders and his behavior. but as you of right now, he has every right to compete up until the convention. at that point when hillary clinton made the nominee even though she's been there this week, then, yes. he has an obligation if he wants to to work against trump. but here's something else to remember. i think a lot of democrats have forgot this and i lot of analysts don't pay attention. this he has no real loyalty to this party. i you this his ability or desire to really help defeat donald trump can be held into question. won't know until after the convention of philadelphia. >> but he's had a profound impact on the democratic party in the short time he's run though, sfligt. >> oh, yeah. he's a huge impact. he's brought a lot of enthusiasm. certainly a lot more enthusiasm than hillary clinton has. he's moved the issues to the left. he does have an impact. >> david, let me talk to you about -- ask about party of sanders' plan for the victory. he's been focusing a lot on the issue of super delegates even with the math stacked against

him. here's what he told chris jansing about how he plans to do that on saturday. >> you guys were, you know, came aboard clinton's campaign before i was in the race. take a look at reality to take. take a look at all of the state polls. we're doing -- we're doing better against trump than is secretary clinton. ghaf some thought. and then we're going to also say to the states where we won landslide victories, we're going to say, why don't you vote with the people of your state? and we think adding all that together, we have a shot to get the nomination. >> if you don't win california, will you drop out? >> well, let's not get into speculation. i think we're all going to win california. >> so sanders has to win 67% of the remaining pledge delegates who are talking about the math earlier. ultimately at this point, what does sanders want? >> i think sanders really wants to enter the convention in philadelphia with a majority of the pledged delegates. and there's an outside chance he could do that. if he does that, then he can make the case the moral persuasion case that, look, i've actually won the nomination here

fit weren't for the super delegates, the kind of thing that trump is talking about that rigs the system against him. the way i tend to look at this is like a baseball game. look, hillary clinton managed to score ten runs in the first ten, ten runs in the second and third inning. but since then, bernie sanders has been outscoring her in the more recent innings. he is still a little bit behind. he has all of the momentum. the question sl he run out of innings before he runs out of chances to make up ground? and if it weren't for the super delegates, frankly, we would be talking about the kind of nail biting contested convention that everyone was all transfixed over on the republicans a few months ago. the irony is that donald trump sowed up his endst deal and it's bernie and hillary still fighting. >> all right. i'm sorry, we have to leave it. there we're rub running out of time. thank you very much for wk thus memorial day weekend. next, we're going to turn to cincinnati, ohio, where a 4-year-old boy sont mend after falling into a gorilla exhibit at the local zoochlt you won't believe what happened to the gorilla and what options, if

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>> the boy was taken to the cincinnati children's hospital with serious injuries but expected to make a full recovery. joining us now on the phone is jack hanna, director of the columbus zoo. thank you very much, mr. hannah, for joining us. i want to get your reaction. i know a lot of people are watching this and asking a similar question, was it appropriate to kill the gorilla was was tranquellizing him not enough of an option? >> well, two miles from where the gorillas live, i started in 1982. when it comes to gorillas, we lt first gorilla ever bonn here. you're talking about an animal that is quite large. you have human life and animal life. obviously the decision was made. obviously the right decision was made. people there right now at that zoo are suffering that work there. this is part of their family. there was no absolute choice. there was no other choice. the boy is at home now doing fine. so what i'm saying is when you have an animal this large, you see him dragging through the water there, if you tranquellize the animal, it takes five or ten

minutes for that drug to take infect. all kinds of things happen in five to ten minutes. i know guides in africa that take me to see the gorillas and the silver back will come through there and poke them in the arm with the arm and they have a broken arm. the point is that i've seen them take a green coconut, they squish it like a marshmallow. they are very, very powerful animals. with that little boy in there, who knows what would happen. >> let necessity get your take on. this the woman who recorded the video said she thought the gorilla was acting to protect the child rather than necessarily attacking him. so watching that video with your expertise with what you know, what can you tell us about the gorilla's actions? is there anything that concludes one way or the other? >> to me, the conclusion only seeing the video a little while ago, when he drug him through the water, he's going take that gorilla. maybe he is trying to protect him. maybe he pop with a shot and didn't know what was happening. you would throw something down

you may be carrying or swat it. not take his life, just to do the natural thing you would do. a human would do or gorilla or horse or dog, for example, so they reaction is from a 400 pound animal is bright. you don't know what the reaction is. >> and the child obviously was able to get into the enclosure by crawling through a barrier and dropping down about ten feet. i'm curious to get your take on whether situations like this will lead the cincinnati zoo to rethink security around the enclosures. why are we still seeing things like this happen? >> you refer to how many things you're talking about, pittsburgh had an incident. yes, they d if you take the billions of people, billions of people that visit the zoo over lat last years and millions of employees we, have millions of animals do, a survey on 20 years of the zoo world, do a sur vachlt we would turn out to be one of the safest places to go in the entire world versus driving, visiting a race car track, versus anything. check our records out number one's done this. it's just because it makes news. no doubt about that. it has every right to make the

news. it's not a right to say we have to change the zoo. build a 15 foot wall. anybody can get into anything. it's a tragedy with the gore yale, no doubt about. that but something, we can't just make it 100%. no one knows we can ever say nothing will ever happen here. no racetrack can, no car can, no water park or -- you see what i'm talking about? it's just a fact that everybody gets excite oefrd this thing. it's too bad we -- people at that zoo now i guarantee you have lost their family. when that happens to all of us, you know, look at how long the cincinnati zoo and the columbus zoo 1926. we had injuries with our people, yes. there are some of them. death, no. we hope we never do. i would never tell that you nothing would ever happen here. any zoo that tells you anything would happen or a racetrack or any park of any sort is not telling the truth. >> you brought up very good points. thank you very much for joining us this memorial day weekend. >> thank you. great zoo, cincinnati. >> all right. joining us now is ron mcgill, communications director for zoo miami. good to you have on the phone.

let's talk about how the child was able to get into the enclosure. what do you think happened? >> i don't know. you know, i have not seen that gorilla enclosure specifically so i don't know. it's thoord secure something 100% from human error. i'm sure the folks at the zoo will evaluate the enclosure and the possibility of something like this happening again to make sure it does not. >> let's talk about scenarios like this. are zoos often trained for situations in which they have to make decisions tlik in a short amount of time. walk us through the thought process that your experts are trained to make those decisions in. >> okay. put it simply, we have a team, a shoot team that is trained that goes on to monthly range training with the rifles. they are trained for dangerous animals. and whenever the case comes up, where ab an animal is threatening the life of a human being that, threat has to be eliminated as quickly as

possible. people are saying why did the gorilla have to be shot? this is a 400 pound animal that has massive strength. look at the way he is percenting his lips. he is very upset. the unfortunate thing is this child was awake, was conscious. his crying, his mobility was adding to the tension. all the people screaming around there was adding to the tension. can you not predict what that gorilla is going to do. when you saw him drag him through the water sh just missed a metal grate f that child's head hit that grate the way he was dragging him through the water, it could have killed him instantly. the bottom line is that threat had to be immediately removed. the fact is there is no single animal like this more important than a human life. there is no way anyone can speculate what that gorilla was going to do the very next second. i can tell you, if by some chance that child had his head massively hit against something and suffered a horrible injury or death, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. everybody would be screaming why wasn't that gore yale taken out as soon as possible.

>> fair enough. and the video does not give us the complete picture as you were talking there. there are things we're not going to be able to see. ron mcgill from zoo miami, thank you for joining us. >> sure. >> next, honoring our nation's heroes and the families. how some are working to help when we come back. stay with us. showed these everyday experts... i'm a police officer. paramedic. the value of nissan's... [safety beeping] intelligent safety shield technologies. whoa! like forward emergency braking that could stop your car for you. save even more with holiday bonus cash this memorial day, during nissan's safety today event. for a limited time, save up to $1,500 on the 2016 nissan rogue with $500 memorial day bonus cash. where can i buy it? sign me up! shop your local nissan store and choosenissan.com today. ♪ it's more than a nit's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions,

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remember that military families, service members and families sacrifice every day for americans. and some of these sacrifices are unnecessary. they don't help national security. in fact, they hurt it. we want to work together with folks in the country to solve the unnecessary sacrifices faced by military families and in particular how it is that it's very difficult for military households to earn the same amount of money as other american households because of the military lifestyle. >> so, yeah, i was going to say, can you shed light on the common problems that you're seeing among military families particularly with the issue of income? >> sure. military income for the service member, it's pretty much on par with their counterparts. what's different and what's different since we had an all volunteer force is that today most american households need two incomes. and because of the naturest military lifestyle, because of frequent moves every one, two and three years because of remote places you live, often overseas, we have a very, very

high unemployment and underemployment rate among military families. these are military households where we have a second adult who wants to work, who can't work, only about 10% to 15% of military family members are able to work to the level they've been trained and want to work. and that hurts military families. we also found out in our new report we released this week it hurts america, too. it hurts to the tune offed 1dz billion a year. >> so how can -- how can we address the issues? how does blue star families work? why are you personally involved and what can be done? >> yes, i'm personally involved because i experienced it myself. i love being part of a military family. it's a huge honor to serve. and we're willing to take the things that go it with. the deployments, risk of harm, children moving schools six to nine times. but then you find yourself unemployed. i gave up a great career whether i married my husband. i retrained but as we moved eight times in 15 years, i was often unemployed and underemployed. and i realize i wasn't alone.

a group of military spoused formed blue star families to help us tell the stories of the challenges we face so the larger society can help us meet those solutions so we can keep we facr society can help us meet those solutions. one of those important problems is this problem of us being able to work. we can overcome it if people know the problem exists. if we can make military spouses visible, their training and they're employment, we can look for partnerships with corporations and the governments to point us toward the way the countdown to employment and unemployment. >> thank you for your service and your husband's service as well. >> thank you. well, the tsa under fire as folks kick off the unofficial start to summer. are we seeing the new norm for traveling by air in america? james loy joins me to discuss

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welcome back, everyone. memorial day weekend is the traditional kickoff of summer, one of the busiest weekends of travel all year. the tsa is getting slammed with criticism for security delaying. joining me now is james loy. sir, thank you very much for joining us. the tsa has about 42,000 screeners. that's 5,000 less than it had back in 2013. is that enough given the travel challenges that we're facing today? >> well, ayman, i think there's a couple of factors involved there. the 5,000 new -- i'm sorry, the 5,000 screeners that we're talking about adding to the inventory will be very helpful, but i think there's three things at play here. one is the volume of passengers. when we designed the agency and

the checkpoint back in 2001, 2002, we were looking at an annual volume of passengers of about 1.3 or 1.4 million passengers per day. now it's pushing 2 and i've even heard numbers of 2.5 to 3 in the peak summer months of june, july, and august this year. the number of tsas to handle that volume the second. the risk of attending to the security side of the equation. all three of those things have to be in balance. with the recent challenges put on the table by paris and brussels, the security side has not diminished at all. we're dealing with trying to keep those three things in balance and good customer service on the other side, which is translated most of the time to waiting times. >> we see more vacationers. you talked a lot about the

volume. what do you see as the biggest obstacle for the tsa in the short run? is there anything that can be done in the short term to alleviate some of the wait times? >> i was talking to the administrator just the other day. he's thinking about the tweaks, if you will, or the adjustments tactically he can make at the checkpoints. he's looking at modern ideas that are over in europe, the baskets into which we place all of our metal objects go back and forth at the checkpoint. they will be a plus when they occur. most of it is about getting the word out, i believe, to the american traveling passenger. every passenger that brings a gun or a knife and puts it in his carry-on bag is not only taking the chance, he's checking the system, so to speak.

every time he does that and the system finds it and has to screen him a second time, everybody in line waits a little longer. there's obligations on the traveling public to get there in time before your flight. don't put things in your carry-on baggage that are prohibited. where you can put a lot of that into the checked baggage to begin with because every carry-on bag is the other piece of equipment. >> certainly security is always on the back of everyone's mind. thank you so much for joining us. happy memorial day weekend to you, sir. >> thank you very much and to you. >> that does it this hour. my colleague richard lui picks up our coverage next. stay with us. it's not how fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast. it's not how fast you mow, (both) it's how well you mow fast. it's how well you mow fast. (team cheers)

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