foreign affairs but foreshadowing and previewing the appearance in san jose later today by donald trump, something tells us he may have a thing or two to say about what we just witnessed. but with all of it, for the next hour, kris machris mathews. >> good afternoon. i'm chris matthews in washington. hillary clinton was attacking donald trump's foreign policy positions, the real estate billionaire himself picked up major and long-awaited support. 29 days after trump became the presumptive nominee for the republican party house speaker paul ryan made it official and says he'll vote for trump in november. he made the announcement in a column in his hometown newspaper but at no point in the column does he say the words endorse or endorsement. luke russert joins us from capitol hill. is there a big meaning between i'll vote for guys and i'll endorse him? >> well, his spokesperson, brendan buck, said on twitter we're not playing word games, consider this an endorsement.

if you go through and read the op-ed, paul ryan essentially comes around to saying look, we have these policy ideas in the house of representatives that have to do with national security and health care and taxes, et cetera, and i believe, as speaker, that donald trump is the best person to put those into action as president. that if hillary clinton is elected it's four more years of quote/unquote liberal cronyism and why donald trump will get my vote. ryan is still going to run this parallel campaign, chris. he's going to talk about policy and those policy ideas will come out in the next few weeks. but this is a big step because we had been told by his staff for quite some time that there is huge ideological differences between trump and ryan on issues like trade, like issues like immigration. paul ryan calling out donald trump about his ban on muslims, the violence occurring at his rallies, being slow to disavow what the ku klux klan and david

duke. ryan has come around here and is being a quote/unquote i can say good soldier, as one republican fellow republican of his told me, but he was on an island for some time. he was the only republican leader in congress than had not endorsed donald trump. there is speculation he may do that last week. he still wasn't there. but between the idea that trump can enact the house republican agenda and his comfort with donald trump not overstepping his bounds as an executive and being a responsible executive in terms of acknowledging the legislative branch, ryan is in a comfortable position now to endorse. one other thing i will throw in here at the end, chris, what i find fascinating about all of this, is ryan gave no head's up to trump's team. he is still very much keeping his own distance f you will. in his op-ed he says he will speak out and comment when he

feels like it if something that trump says is not proper. like i memntioned before about the muslim vow and disavow the kkk. even though it's an endorsement it's not a full on, i'm going to go on stage, hold it up for the money shot and barnstorm the country with you. still hess tennessee to do that. >> nbc's luke russert on capitol hill from the perspective from the trump campaign i'm joined by katie tur out in san francisco. so what do you make of the timing? i mean donald trump is very good at watching the news coverage of everybody. he's watching hillary's speech today. he's saying her top of the fold and bab banner i can nudge her out of there. do you think will was collusion there between him and his speaker. >> i'm not entirely sure but it would show a degree of strategy behind the scenes between the speaker and donald trump that we haven't yet seen. it would certainly try to tilt the news cycle back in donald

trump's direction. we've been seeing donald trump and his campaign do that on its own for some time. this would be new for he and speektser to do it together and white show some party unity going up against hillary clinton. i want to note how similar, chris, hillary clinton's speech was to mitt romney's never trump speech back in march. mitt romney said donald trump's plans were ever implemented the country would sink into prolonged recession. clinton said he treats the economy like one of hiss casinos it would be worse if he was in charge than anything we saw in 2008. romney said he has neither the temperament or judgment to be president. clinton he's not just unprepared he's unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge. romney, i'm afraid when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart. clinton he doesn't have to listen to our general because he says he, quote, has a very good brain. it just struck me and a number of others in the office how similar these two speeches were. hillary clinton trying to take

donald trump down, mock him the same way that mitt romney did. we saw how that worked out with mitt romney. he was advocating for anybody but trump, for kasic, cruz, rubio, that did not work. donald trump has the nomination. what hillary clinton, though, has on her side right now is a much different general electorate. still the donald trump campaign believes and we saw him tweeting about this as hillary clinton was speaking they'll be able to take her down by going against her credibility, specifically when it comes to her credibility as secretary of state and benghazi. they keep bringing up that on the campaign trail including a 3:00 a.m. phone call they say she did not answer. the campaign should be talking about it tonight. he will be in san jose in just a few hours. >> thank you so much. katie, up in san francisco. bring in our package, nbc news political analyst howard fineman, director of "the huffington post," jane small, "time" magazine's washington's

correspondent and josh barrow. let's start with this speech. how did you rate the hillary speech? >> i thought it was really strong and forceful. she hasn't been great at kind of soaring, rising above 30,000 foot level and in this case she did. she also took on a lot of attacks and a lot of sort of really kind of gut punches you didn't see a lot of republicans taking on until almost throughout the entire campaign. i mean she kind of went for the jugular off the bat. the daisy commercial right away. >> it was the 1964 campaign saying you don't have a choice choice in this campaign. one credible campaign running and this other guy is crazy, dangerous and incompetent. >> i think you saw the basic outlines of the next five months in this speech. >> yeah. >> you saw hillary, who's tone were modulated. >> very good. >> she's been practicing. it's not -- >> and presidential. >> people, perhaps, in an unfair sexist way, talk about screeching and so on and so forth. there was none of that. the idea --

>> there was an intellectual component to that. absolute confidence in what she was saying. wasn't reaching for anything. >> the stylistic goes to the substanti substantive, saying, who do you want in the room with the finger on the but. that -- -- button. she aid about donald trump dangerously incoherrent. dangerous. no temperament. no clue. that's going to be the argument. i think hugh hewitt in the last hour was right. to go to the daisy ad, early june, you got june, july, august, september, october, you can't keep saying the guy is dangerous, the guy is dangerous five months. >> he won't look dangerous in the end of five months if he hasn't done anything dangerous yet. >> so good i disagree. i think you can do that for five months and she will. katie had a good point that this is similar to what mitt romney was saying, it's similar because it is the best argument against donald trump and one that should be obvious to thinking people at all sorts of places on the

political spectrum. i don't know how happy this is going to make the left -- >> you said all thinking people should be for hillary. that's a conclusive statement. >> yeah, but i -- >> that's your view but a -- in other words forget the campaign. >> i think she said it out in the speech. he poses immense risks to the world. he can start a nuclear war, start a totally unforced economic crisis through a default on u.s. economic debt. i think this is the strongest argument. >> that is the strongest -- that absolutely is the strongest argument. there's no question. that's the argument that buried barry goldwater against lyndon johnson. the question is how you do it for five months. >> do you accept that argument? this guy is really not qualified temperamentally to be our president? >> absolutely. absolutely. i think republicans in their heart of hearts know it too. why ones that don't have political imperatives to support trump like mitt romney are not bringing themselves to do it. the only ones are like paul ryan

who feel political boxed in. >> why is the polling so close nationally if republicans aren't backing him? >> this is a distinction between elites and ordinary voters. ordinary voters are making big mistakes in this election. they made big mistakes in the primary. just because half of americans think something is a good idea doesn't mean they're right. >> she's fighting a primary fronts too. she's still doing a two-pronged attack at this point. this is the first speech she's given where she only focused on donald trump. she only focused on the general election and didn't mention bernie sanders or anything. >> i noticed two things. beautifully written and delivered. everything about her temperament, confidence in what she was saying was so powerful, she didn't have to argue. it wasn't a sales pitch. this is the way things are. this what is believe and you're going to buy it. couple things, there was nothing in there about her. this speech could have been given by any number of people. nothing about her experience from iraq, the decision in 2001 and 2002, nothing with regard to libya or syria. >> deleted all of that. >> everything about her own

decision making with regard to the tricky part of the world, the middle east. i thought the other thing i noticed pre-vietnam. i'm not saying she's a hawk like scoop jackson but a hubert humphrey to it, that was pre-vietnam. wasn't concern about american overreach or imperlism. none of that. >> to me politically the least useful part of her speech the business about the allies and so forth. for most of the american people to the extent they follow foreign policy, they're thinking ability terrorism and threat to the homeland, they're thinking about immigration. they're not thinking the abstract about allies around the world. i thought that was the weakest part of her speech the attempt to parfait, like a parfait -- >> who was she talking to? >> i think op-ed writers. >> follow this -- >> wanted the credit. >> her sense of dignity, wanted to clothes the attack in a more intellectual prospect. >> josh, more when we come back with you in a moment. more coming up.

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donald trump's ideas aren't just different, they are dangerously incoherent. he is not just unprepared, he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability, and immense responsibility. we cannot put the security of our children and grandchildren in donald trump's hands. we cannot let him roll the dice with america. this is a man who said, that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including saudi

arabia. what really matters that donald trump says things that go against our deepest held values. it matters when he says, he'll order our military to murder the families of suspected terrorists. it also matters when he makes fun of people with disabilities. calls women pigs. proposes banning an entire religion from our country or plays coy with white supremacists. america stands up to countries that treat women like animals or people of different races, religions or ethnicities as less human. >> those are some tough chunks from hillary's speech today. a major foreign policy address since donald trump's biggest since he security the republican nomination. she had tough words about the billionaire himself. personal and tough. let's turn to casey who's covering the clinton campaign. casey, this was like saying,

there's only one credible candidate running for president, it's me. this other guy shouldn't even be considered by rationale man or woman. he shouldn't even be on the table with me. a dismissive speech, and a powerful one. >> it was utterly dismissive, chris. even the way she used his first name donald for the most part through the speech was a dismissive way of going about it. i have to tell you the thing that struck me the most, especially being in the room, she really had this crowd on her side, both in laughter and in seriousness, across the board through the speech. what struck me is how much more effective she seemed at delivering these attacks against donald trump than so many of those republican rivals that he functionally shredded over the course of the last year. now we'll see how that plays out going forward, how it plays out on the debate stage when they're standing next to each other, but it just struck me she had sort of a bigness to this speech that none of the rest of those

challengers were able to bring. usually if they were going after trump, it made them seem smaller than trump. i really don't think that that was the case here. i also think you really saw from her and her aides will privately say this, you saw a comfort level in going after donald trump that you haven't seen in the primary. because she's not as comfortable going after bernie sanders fighting on that sort of head of a pin as it's been described in the past. here she really, obviously, deeply believes the things she had to say about donald trump and it was not hard for her to deliver that message. >> well said. let's talk about the preparation for today. i noticed, i watch everything in this business. people don't. i watch everything. i watched the secretary come out to the podium to the lectern, happy, smile, comfortable already before she began to read the speech. do you know whether she did numerous rehearsals? did she work with the speech guy on this? was there the kind of comfort you get only when you practice

ahead of time, know what's coming up on that screen, on that teleprompter and you whiz through it because you're so happy you it all under control. i had the sense it was that amount of preparation. do you know or not? >> my sense was a big key to this speech was jake sullivan, one of her closest aides worked with her through the state department, played a huge hand in writing the speech. you heard a lot of his voice in this and they worked together on pulling it together. you got the sense that while it felt like she knew what words were coming up next, she also had a good sense of the room and she delivered those mocking lines in a way that, while perhaps rehearsed, also played off of the crowd, very distinctly. usually you come into a speech like this, 14 american flags over my shoulder and think the mood will be somber and we will be talking about somber things. this crowd wasn't in the mood to do that. they were laughing along with the mocking lines she delivered and it fed into how she performed over the course of the whole speech.

>> yeah. wonderful stings in it, didn't you think? the serious, discerning foreign policy may vep and then those wonderful little shots that she intermingled with the serious policy stuff. i thought it was a hell of a speech. thank you so much. out in san diego, what great city to be in. during hillary clinton's address she went after trump over his past statements on nuclear weapons. always the hottest topic on nuclear weapons. here it is. >> it's no small thing when he suggests that america should withdraw our military support for japan, encourage them to get nuclear weapons, and he said this, about a war between japan and north korea and i quote, if they do, they do. good luck. enjoy yourself, folks. i wonder if he even realizes he's talking about nuclear war. >> that's good stuff. turn to mark a pal of mine,

former united states ambassador and former white house ambassador. you've been in the thick of these things. what did you think? this was an attack on donald trump as unqualified to even be where he's at, not let alone become president, he shouldn't be on the stage? >> i was saying while i was sitting in the green room hallelujah, thank goodness someone finally took in one speech and effectively tore him limb from limb. his phony foreign policy, his bravado, his sort of cuss ster's last stand attitude about everything that goes on around the world and the sense of belittling allies and, in effect, inflating adversaries. she has the tenacity to make this happen. the key here is whether or not people who have been toying with the idea of supporting him, because they're not big fans of the obama foreign policy, will understand the nuance difference. >> let's talk about that, the national security crowd, neocons. we call them. people tend to be hawkish, but

on foreign policy they're hawkish. i thought she was talking to them and saying, come back to the party of scoop jackson, come back to the party of hubert humphrey before the vietnam syndrome came in, before we were hesitant about foreign policy and sort of apologetic. there was no apology in that speech. there is no talk about overreach or the mistake of going into iraq. none of that. it was all, we have to do these things. we have commitments and duties. >> she follows in the mainstream of some of the best thinkers, the wise people, the wise men and women of u.s. foreign policy. >> bob gates. >> bob gates. talk about joe biden. >> jim baker. >> jim baker. on a bipartisan basis -- >> it was realist. >> nothing in that speech that could not appeal from neocons who already respect her for being someone who stands up for principle. >> i thought there was a bit of -- you never know how you see the models, margaret thatcher maybe. her presentation today, first of all, in just in terms of watching as a political figure, she owned it. >> there's no doubt her

delivery -- >> wasn't like i'm trying to catch up to trump today. >> my only regret, it was such a good speech, i wish she had given it in prime time. the american people would have come to understand -- >> hard to get prime time. >> the fact is that she doesn't get the respect at times that she deserves as a former secretary of state. >> talk about politics here. bernie sanders would never give that speech. >> absolutely not. >> much more apologetic about u.s. foreign policy. didn't like what we were doing under both presidents recently and a lot of what we do in the middle east. talking about whether we're going to have a bond with nirl terms of that whole -- israel in terms of that whole thing. hillary said i'm sticking with trats digses of the democratic party today. >> the democratic coalition that supportered the obama clinton foreign policy may have drifted to the left because of sanders but the fact of the matter is, that whether you're republican or democrat, chris, the counterterrorism, defeating

isis, dealing effectively with issues and showing she has the courage and the tenacity to take on these issues without getting sweet talked the way trump would like to sweet talk the american people support him, that he has answers to everything. this is hard stuff. >> let me talk about something else not intricate, he's big. trump has ran as a nationalist. people may not like the scent of his nationalism. sounds too to the right, obviously. hilla hillary, look at the flags, this wasn't a superficial look. 17 flags. brian williams counted them. she made a patriotic appeal at the end of the speech about what america stands for and a great country. we don't have to make it great again. it is great. the values of our country. she gave the speech i wish democrats would do more often, grab back the flag, stop letting the other party be the patriots. >> you're talking the way i feel. i feel as a democrat fighting this fight over foreign policy for decades. i have known hillary clinton --

>> you have to stop calling america the bad guy. >> i have known hillary clinton for 35 years. she's carried the flag for this country both as first lady and as secretary of state. she has enormous respect for her tenacity, her surefootedness. many things that could have happened differently in the obama foreign policy if she had her way. the white house is what stopped her in many respects for delivering many of the things that now the president is having to contend with. >> yeah. a lot of people who take my position on foreign policy do it because they're mad at the united states. i do it because i'm worried about the united states and looking out for it. hillary was looking out for us. very american speech i should say. >> the most important thing is that the people who send our men and women into combat, that's our foremost priority making sure they have the trust in her as commander in chief. >> all the more so because they're so disciplined and patriotic, they will do what the mission says. you better pick the right missions. >> imagine if donald trump is sitting in the situation room. >> thank you for coming on. donald trump says mexicans

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you know what, i think the mexicans are going to end up loving donald trump when i give all these jobs, okay. i think they will end up. >> the rnc's director of hispanic communications stepped down yesterday. the new york times reporting she's uncomfortable with donald trump. her replacement helen [ inaudible ] excuse me, has made comments critical of trump and his rhetoric on latinos and women in the past. i want to bring in ashley bell. thank you. where does this -- >> thank you. >> you know exactly what the topic is right now. make the case for trump in the world of minorities and how he's going to try to get his share,

people say he needs 30 some percent of the latino vote in this country, certain percentage of the black vote. he can't do it all on white votes. how does he do it? >> he has a lot of work to do. i'm not going to say donald trump has done himself favors. with the latino vote i think he thinks he can win without it. when it comes to the african-american vote we have a long way to go to get this conversation going. to me what's going to happen he has to have people who have credibility on the issues that affect minorities close to him and in his circle. part of building the party, part of unifying the party he needs to bring those people close in. >> why do you think he pushed the birther thing, juvenile to bug the president. take an african-american president, the first ever, say i want to see your papers, is undignified by both people and was an insult to the president. asking for his papers. he had to show his birth se certificate to this guy because this guy demanded it.

>> the president did show it. >> why? the whole process was humiliating to the president. by the way, i think the president is not going to forget it. just a thought. >> i don't think he will either. that's old news. that's an old story. >> oh, no, no. that's not news because i just brought it up. what do you think? how can you support a candidate for president who engaged in that kind of pretty below the belt politics? >> the politics is when you have a nominee in your party you have to get behind your nominee. saw that with our speaker today. i didn't support donald trump in the primary but i will support my nominee. this is a party that stands for free enterprise and free people. the republican party is the republican party with or without donald trump but we will make sure we do the best we can to make sure hillary is not elected. as we heard today with her foreign policy speech a threeback from the past, a neocon. donald trump and bernie sanders on the same page. shouldn't have gone into iraq. one candidate left that still believes we should have gone into iraq. >> you know what i think about it. let me ask you this, everybody is a little ethnic in this

country. we don't ignore, not color-blind or ethnic blind, but refer to the judge as a mexican, didn't say mexican american or the guy might have an attitude about me because i have tough on mexican illegal immigration he took a shot and said he's big got the against me because he's a mexican. what do you make of that, when you get that street corner politics? >> a plaintiff in a case that's going to be a tough case for him. he's trying to get the public opinion on his side. he may not be winning in court. to call out someone's race, especially a judge, it's uncalled for. i thought it was the wrong thing to do. it brings into question when president and have to deal with the judicial branch you can't call names and get things done. there's a clear distinction in powers between the executive and judicial branch. donald trump was wrong for calling out his ethnicity. the guy is from indiana as far as i'm concerned. >> he can be from barcelona. we don't know anything. please come back.

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♪ . you said that donald trump would not release his tax returns because he was trying to hide something. what is senator sanders hiding? >> he's hiding nothing. if you talk to anybody in the media who saw those tax returns with 2014, everybody thought there was going to be some big thing in there. >> i never said there was. i'm asking the question, live question, right now, you just went after trump for not releasing his returns. why doesn't your guy do it. >> trump is a film flan and -- >> it's when you don't adjust yourself to the question i asked. why doesn't your guy release the returns? >> i think he will. >> he will? >> sure. he said he will. >> senator sanders, will release his tax returns during the course of this campaign? >> he said he would. >> before the convention? >> he said he would, yes. >> and then i say give me a

precise date. bernie sanders, last night after prodding, making news that sanders will release his tax returns before the democratic convention. he wrapped up his first of two campaign stops last night in modesto, california. chris jansing joins us now from sanders rally. he has five days to close the narrow gap with clinton. i wonder if the speech today has any impact on the numbers out there. your thoughts? >> yeah. i mean i think that part of their strategy may be the major part of it is to bring people out. they had 2500 people here on a weekday afternoon. bernie sanders said earlier today he does believe by the time they vote on tuesday, election day, that he'll have stood before eye to eye or face to face as he puts it, 250,000 voters, he gets energized by that, energized by the fact that the latest two polls, including our nbc poll, show the race as a dead ht within two points. he's energized by the fact that hillary clinton has changed her schedule and coming out to

california and spending much of the next week here doing multiple events every day. the problem, though, as you know it is the math. the math that shows that on tuesday, in new jersey, she may well hit that threshold to get enough delegates to be the presumptive nominee. he's been pushing back hard against that. i talked to susan sarandon one of the most high-profile supporters about that today. here's what she had to say. it echos what the campaign says about the fact that they're so far behind in delegates and super selgsoup delegates. >> except if you talk about super delegates and some have changed their votes. >> he would need to flip about 300 super delegates. it would be beyond unprecedented. >> it would be unprecedented since so many of them are lobbyists for the things he's against. i don't know anybody -- nobody is talking about the indictment. what happens with that? besides the trust issue of catching her in lies. >> there has been no indictment. >> there's going to be. there's going to be -- >> we don't know that.

>> we don't know that these people -- that he's not going to get the numbers either. if you have a candidate that has that hanging over her head and you're a super delegate. >> the reason i wanted to play that, chris, is because she echos who i hear from a lot of people who come to auto these events. bernie or bust. people who say they would not vote for hillary clinton. it's obviously one of the big challenges for her, particularly with young people. anyone under 40 where he is winning by significant margins, that she has to figure out a way to win them over for the general election. and, of course, the people i talked to with these events often wait four and five hours to hear him speak, are his most arden supporters but it's not clear how many of them would not vote for hillary clinton if given a choice, which is what susan sarandon would not be pinned down on. she would not say she would vote for hillary clinton. and by the way, i asked at a press conference about an hour ago, i asked bernie sanders about flipping the 300

superdelegates. he ended the press conference and left. >> thank you so much, chris jansing. the challenge is clear, about the different worlds people live in. let's bring in howard, janine and josh. josh, you first this time. susan sarandon, i've dealt with her before. her way of looking at politics, somewhat romantic. i'm going to leave it at that. doesn't deal in the factual world you're living in generally. she has the spirit, she's got the bern and her believe is that somehow, something is going to happen, i don't know how, spiritually, something will happen between now and the convention that the super delegates will vote for the candidate who got the least votes in the primary and cau caucuses. he doesn't have the most votes earned from the voters. he doesn't have a moral right to the super delegate votes and she thinks she will bring to him because of this indictment. chris jansing brought the reality back in the conversation saying what indictment. the fact that they use the word as if it exists.

some indictment of hillary clinton tells you the planetary differences going on in the thinkinger. >> i don't think we should assume that susan sarandon represents the typical sanders voter. polling in may of 2008 more hillary clinton supporters saying they won't vote for barack obama than you see of sanders' supporters saying they wouldn't vote for hillary clinton. after the results on june 2nd, whether or not hillary wins the california, even if she loses it narrowly, she will have a clear majority by pledged delegates, excluding the supers, she will have got morn votes than sanders. the endorsements will come in from people like barack obama and jimmy carter and others in the democratic party. there will be a coalescing and his supporter will fall away. when asking about the tax returns earlier we're never going to see his tax returns because he will not be in this race in two weeks. >> that's a good point. what do you think about the tax return thing? jeff weaver is a gross cloclose

his candidate. why would he say they'll release them now. >> who cares about bernie sanders tax returns. >> he does. >> really. >> really. >> he won't put them out for a reason. >> okay. >> it's not going to be an issue one way or the other. >> i was wasting time with that question. >> yes. >> okay. go ahead. thanks, buddy. >> dropped out by next week or essentially said he's not going to continue to campaign actively does it really -- >> the chairs go into the ground. >> are you going to move. >> we have the austin powers button. >> but no, i'm just saying, if he never releases his tax returns, are we ever going to care? if he doesn't keep -- >> only because he's perfect and mr. morally right and trump is a sleaze ball because he won't do it. what's good for the goose is good for the gander here. susan sa ranch don thinking i think there are people out there who do believe that somehow he's going to win. i mean, voting for him isn't

just a moral call next tuesday. they are still hoping he will be the nominee and the next president. that's what they're hoping for. how does that work mentally? >> i mean, i remember covering in may of 2008, the democratic rules and bylaws committee meeting when they were going to seek the michigan and florida delegates and there were 300 women screaming, crying, shouting. >> the pumas. >> party unity my and saying no way are we ever going to endorse barack obama. some of them, lin forester, went out and supportered john mccain so angry that hillary clinton was deprived of the nomination. always this moment of are we going to be able to come together. >> only question i raise, lynn knows people, i know her, they are democrats, maybe she wasn't an active democrat but she's active in the party now. i wonder if the kids for bernie are thinking of themselves as party sans. >> i think hillary is making the gamble she will get most of them

and you saw that today. as you pointed out, hillary's speech was tilted toward what you might for want of a better term call the right. she was going for the nationalists. >> not going for bernie's people. >> because she's decided that she's going to -- first of all had to position herself to attack trump on foreign policy by being the strong person, but also, she's assuming she's going to get most of those people. i think ultimately she probably will. >> okay. next tuesday night. >> polls show she will. >> you will probably both be on. next tuesday night i will be in l.a. >> come to l.a. with you. >> results at 11:00 eastern. we make a call that bernie's won or it's too early to call, on into the night, 2:00 in the morning, bernie squeaks it out. does hillary show up or do this thing she often does, they all do now, never do concession speeches. they disappear. will she say i lost this one, but i'm the nominee. >> it is noticeable her campaign said where she's going to be through monday but not where she's going to be spending election night. that's something they're trying to figure out.

how do you -- how do you parse out election night. not give a speech -- >> she will be hovering in a plane over kansas city. >> if you're going to lose that night where do you go? >> before you say that at 11:00, something like 8:00 p.m. you will be saying she's clinched the nomination because she will win the new jersey primary. >> she's not going to come out to give a victory or concession speech for the california primary. she will come out to give a victory speech -- >> bernie speaks at 11:00. >> she will come out and say she's the presumptive nominee and try to shut down the discussion because now it's not just that she's inevitably going to win, she will be able to say she has won. >> bernie's counter-point to that is that those super delegates, requisite to say over the top for hillary, will not vote up till they get to the floor vote on wednesday of the convention in philadelphia. by his reckoning, this election is not over until we get to the third day at the convention hall. >> what she will say back to him is what bernie would have said several months ago, which is that you have to look to the democratic norms and when you look at those she's ahead by

every measure. she will have more votes, pledged delegates, even if you impute extra votes from caucuses states. >> same question, everybody. will we hear bernie sanders of vermont say she won this fair and square? >> i think so, yes. >> no. >> josh? >> i don't know. i don't think it's really going to matter. >> didn't ask that question. you can't get away with that. >> two people said i don't like the question. try me on this one. will he ever give a full throated concession speech. >> it will look grudging if i had to guess. i think he believes donald trump would be a disastrous president for america and with some level of enthusiasm he will get on board for stopping that. >> oh, i think you credit bernie with too little grace. i think he has the capability of grace. concession speech. >> i know great ones. i will give him lines. thank you, josh, for coming on, howard, even though you two agree you can ignore the questions of the host.

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we're following other news in minnesota where the medical examiner has con firmed music icon prince died of a painkiller overdose. nbc's stephanie gosk is live in minnesota with the latest. stephanie? >> hey, chris. this medical examiner's report confirms what many people had suspected all along, that prince died from an accidental drug overdose. what may surprise people is the

drug involved in his death. the drug is called fentanyl, a powerful owe pe oids typically prescribed in hospitals as a painkiller, as much as 50 times more potent than heroin and 100 times more potent than morphine. the real question right now will be, where did he get it? was he legally prescribed this drug? or did he get it on the streets? there is a growing amount of fentanyl on the streets around this country and the dea just in march sent out an alert saying there had been a spike in fentanyl overdoses. of course the bigger question, really is, will there be criminal charges in this case. the investigation is still ongoing. chris? >> couple questions. how do we know it was accidental? and is this the kind of drug you -- i remember that michael jackson case, the tragedy, these entertainers have to sleep but can't sleep maybe because they abuse drugs or whatever, the hardest time getting a good

night's sleep. is that what this is about as well? >> it's a really good question, chris, about how do you determine whether or not it's an accident? this medical examiner's report doesn't provide any context into how that decision was reached, that it was accidental, that the medical examiner did say that prince took the drug himself. now we do know from friends who have said that after years and years of these incredibly acrobatic live performances and years of wearing high heels, that he suffered from terrible hip pain and that they suspected it was the treatment of that pain that might have led to a possible addiction. chris? >> sure. sounds right. stephanie gosk with a terrible story, thank you. here's kate rogers with the market wrap. >> good afternoon, chris. markets closing positive for the day. the dow higher by nearly 49 points. the s&p up by nearly six points. the nasdaq rising 19. that's it from cnbc first in

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why don't you mention donald trump by name? >> you know, he seems to do a good job mentioning his own name. i figured, you know, i'll let him do his advertising for him. i think both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are good people. >> i notice you don't mind using their names? >> well, you know, as i said, they're not as good at marketing. >> president obama not wanting to name donald trump but it's clear he's calling him out, taking jabs at his policies and several recent speeches. bring back howard and jay as well. we know how good the light touch

the president has. [ inaudible ] sting like a bee -- >> float like a butterfly. >> ali is a hero of his, by the way. >> he should. hero to everybody including you. anyway, probably like smokin' joe too. >> i'm not a philly guy. >> how many times can the president take a sting at trump without getting entangled, his stinger pulled off? >> i mean, first of all -- >> is it as dangerous. >> the stinger has been pulled off in that he's a lame duck, not running for anything again. >> is he vulnerable if he keeps taking shots at trump? >> are you talking about legacy. >> pulled down into the muck like everybody else tangled with trump. >> he shouldn't be doing it now. he's still president of the united states. even though a lame duck. your rule about not punching down is a good one, especially if you're president. save the dignitisy of the office. in this campaign, there hasn't been much dignity nor is there going to be much.

the american people will appreciate somebody with the dignity of the office, speaking in the clothes. it's like a shakes spear play. everything is chaos. you want the good duke at the end that will have to be obama's role if he can pull it off. >> how many more weeks can he get away with this, taking shots without getting shot back. >> if hillary clinches the nominee i think you will see him endorse. >> will he gets into the trenches before september? >> from people i've spoken to at the white house he's eager and anxious to get out there. >> it's personal. >> yeah. h >> the guy asked for his papers, his birth certificate. that's in the paper today. >> what could be a bigger -- if -- were donald trump to be elected, it wouldn't just be the victory of a republican over a democrat. it wouldn't be the normal repudiation in politics. it would be personal and cosmic and that's something -- >> condemnation -- >> condemnation of who we are as a people that barack obama's whole vision has been about

whether you think he's succeeded carrying it out or not and i know barack obama would be a crushing blow. >> it's also look about his own legacy. what's the best thing you can say about his presidency the highest compliment he's still so popular he will carry hillary to a third term. >> the gut question, will he give a nickname to the president like crooked hillary or lyin' ted, will he go that far and try to tie him into a brand of negativity? >> i think the answer to the question of whether donald trump will go that far, whatever the question is, the answer is yes. >> there is no line he will not cross. >> we have to finish up with big news of the day. paul ryan speaker of the house said he's going to endorse, vote for, as luke russert says, the same thing up there, vote for trump or the bigger news that hillary has come out with her first masterpiece of speech giving? >> i think it's hillary clinton. because they have been so on the fence about this. how do we attack donald trump. all these paths and they've really agonized over this.

>> this is good stuff for the ads. they can put this in the ads. >> they have a path and they will follow it. >> i would agree, but as a footnote, rick schneider the governor of michigan started out he wouldn't support donald trump and ended up the day saying he will. >> was this colluded? >> i don't know. that may have been colluded. skeptical about the collusion with paul ryan. i'm not sure about snider. >> we're going to end up with a campaign over the next couple weeks through the conventions probably coming on fast now, of a basically a contested campaign. >> yeah. >> not going to be anybody -- hillary will not be sweeping into some big lead before philadelphia. >> no. it's still going to be hand to hand combat and it's going to be so ugly. so, so ugly. talk about president barack obama getting into the trenches. it's going to be trench -- >> normally today's speech by hill harry would be considered tough but in this environment it's -- >> shot across the bow. >> how -- she's basically called him insane today. where does she go from there?

it will be interesting to see. >> what do you say? i respect donald even if we disagree. >> dangerously incoherent. >> the conclusive condemnation of her opponent. howard and jay, thanks for being here. that is it for this hour. i will be back with "hardball" 7:00 p.m. eastern and coming up is "mtp daily." we'll be right back. it's thursday it might be the single best performance for hillary clinton in this campaign year so far. she mainly took what should be among her vulnerabilities, foreign policy, and turned it into a pounding on trump. but trump got his own important gift, the one endorsement that was left that still might matter. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.