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>> that's what kills me about these party guys who have jumped in with him. he doesn't care about you. one of my sources was on the trump plane and he's a party guy and he was so excited about the new economic team. and he's like, and i was like, tell me about the plane. >> it's so tasteful with his gold fixtures. that's it? that's all you got? >> thanks to my panel. i'm chris hayes. i'll be back in three hours for more on "all in." we have a live-long friend of that judge who has been under sustained attack from donald trump. he'll be with me tonight. but first "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's friday, conservatives like to cry foul over rhiinos, republican in nam only. wait until you meet sinos,
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supporters in name only. trump has a lot of those and it's a bigger problem than he wants to admit. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ good evening, happy friday. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." thanks to house speaker paul ryan's support, donald trump takeover of the republican party is now complete. but there's another side to the hostile takeover that could and should alarm the trump campaign. it's the simple question of why folks say they're backing him. so let's dive in. we've gone through countless sound bites in support of trump since he became the party's standard bearer. many of them have one big thing in common -- doubt. they're full of caveats, hesitation, and in some cases, the statement of support are just bizarre. you might call some of these republicans sinos, supporters in
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name only. it's a rip off of the rino, that many conservatives like to use. will the full mite of the republican party stick up for trump? so far, it doesn't look promising. there's people supporting him because of loyalty to the republican party. folks don't sound overjoyed with how the process turned out. >> listen to people that have chosen the nominee of our republican party. i think it would be foolish to ignore them. >> when we nominated people over the past several election cycles to be president, there were many of us that had heart burn over particular things with those candidates, but we went out there and vigorously supported our nominee. >> he won the nomination fair and square. i think it's disrespectful of the republican electorate to say, i'm smarter than you are, and i'm not going to support
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your choice. >> sheldon adelson gave this reason. i'm a republican. he's a republican. he's our nominee. he won fair and square. >> then there's the massive bucket of republicans supporting trump because they think hillary clinton would be worse. watch this. >> donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservativism and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded. >> listen, hillary -- senator clinton has a different philosophical view than what i do about what government's role is. >> i will get in my pickup truck and drive around this country if i have to, before i allow the party of lincoln and reagan to fall into the hands of a con-man. >> bobby jindal slammed trump as an unstable narcissist during the primary. last month he wrote, i'm voting
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trump, warts and all. i stand by my criticism of the new yorker, but the stakes for the country are too great to elect clinton. and then it gets weird. there's a whole pack of senate republicans facing re-election, who are tying themselves in knots to describe their thoughts. ron johnson's office said he intends to support the republican nominee but he's focused on the concerns of wisconsinites, not national political wins. kel kelly ayotte's office said she's not planning to endorse anyone this cycle. then there are some republicans who seem to have trump on double secret probation. republican conference chair cathy mcmorris rodgers gave this explanation. quote, did i cast my ballot with enthusiasm? not exactly. do i have concerns about the comments he made in the past and on the campaign trail this year
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about women, people with disabilities, and people from different backgrounds? absolutely. he will have to earn the presidency by demonstrating that he has the temperament for the job. that's a republican saying that about him. some republicans have found a single issue to focus on as a way to make the best of the situation. case in point, rick santorum. you think the pro-life evangelical probably disagrees about trump's statements on god and abortion. santorum said he jumped on the bandwagon after he read trump's list of possible supreme court nominees. speaker ryan, he says he's confident that trump will help him advance his agenda in the house. but today, for instance, he slammed trump's racially charged attacks on a federal judge who is overseeing the trump university lawsuit. while at the same time, telling us again why he's supporting trump. >> at the end of the day, this agenda we're rolling is our con
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and the policies that implement those principles. it's clear to me, that we have somebody who is a willing partner in advancing these things. and i know for darn sure, hillary clinton is going to go in the opposite direction on every one of these things. >> here's why all of this matters, though. and you saw a taste of it earlier this week. hillary clinton has the democratdemocrat ic army marching in lock step. have they launched a coordinate assault on trump's foreign policy? in response, we saw two statements from trump's supporters defending him. there are signs that trump's support could be a mile wide and an inch deep. three folks watching all of this and covering all this, matthew continetti, luke russert on capitol hill, and the washington examiner's chief congressional correspondent susan far eachio. 24 hours after paul ryan comes on board, he has to criticize trump again, which he said he would do if necessary. good grief.
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>> it's a tough endorsement for the speaker to make. took him 29 days to do it. there's a bunch of differences he has with donald trump. the muslim ban, calling undocumented immigrants rapist, being slow to disavow association with david duke. that's not even the policy. the policy differences on free trade, entitlement reform, there are a bunch. but paul ryan's team after a month of conversations with the trump team came to conclusion that in the first 100 days because trump lacks any cohesive domestic policy, we'll supply that. donald trump will run our plays from our playbook and he's given assurances that he'll do that. we'll see what those amount to be if he were to be president. all that being said, when you put all this together, i encourage people to look at the video from yesterday. that's a guy who is downtrodden, who expresses zero enthusiasm, who looks like i have to do this because there's no other way. >> i saw him gulp before he said the words "donald trump."
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>> he looks defeated in doing so. and how this plays out, it's going to be a very delicate dance for the next five months. >> susan, to me, it was watching this week between trump university and the foreign policy hits, he was a man on an island. whenever hillary clinton gets attacked, she's got a whole bunch of members of the democratic party that defend her or amplify attacks. >> yeah, that will be missing potentially for trump. but the question, i think, in this campaign season, is it going to really matter? that's the heart of all of it. it's an outsider candidate year. so how much do the establishment, gop figures really matter in the grand scheme of things? if you look at the poll numbers, if you look at republicans versus democrats and republicans amongst themselves, they're kind of fed up with the people in washington. so i don't think they're looking for them to come and endorse trump. he's brought in millions of new voters. so does it really matter if a figure like mcconnell or ryan, who are often unpopular with the republican base, mitt romney's problem four years ago, he
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didn't bring out these voters, who are now excited about trump. the question is, can trump keep those voters, but still keep the establishment, and will the tepid endorsement of these gop establishment figures really make it hard for him? >> the tepid endorsement leads to a money problem. >> exactly. >> many problems. a tepid endorsement is a sign of tepid enthusiasm among republicans at large. trump still is at the head of a divided party. and right now, hillary's in the middle of her primary. once that ends, you're going to have a unified democratic party. unless bernie decides to go rogue. but we've already seen trump in some of these polls, under-performing mitt romney in terms of the white vote, which is the base of the republican. so parties have faced this before. '64, '72. you have a nominee outside the establishment, and you have tepid endorsements like from
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ryan and mcconnell. they're not going to defend trump when push comes to shove. and here's the other thing, ryan should write a pledge and have trump sign the pledge. >> right. >> he did the rnc pledge. >> trump is in reading, california, right now. i'm curious, do you think it's good that he's been doing these rallies in california? i don't know. if anything, the rallies are unnecessary and he's not used them effectively on message. >> yeah, but i spoke to a democrat today in congress that says, whenever you see a group of latinos burning the american flag, waving the mexican flag, inciting violence with trump supporters, that is not a good day for us in the sense of -- >> you're referring to "us," you mean -- >> it's congressional democrats saying that. but -- and that's a real fear. because if that continues to be a trend, that amounts to, okay,
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maybe there's this college-educated white voter that is now in hillary's camp and sees that and goes, a flag burning, i'm uncomfortable with that. >> there's no doubt. but is he adding value here? >> what about other people on the fence? independents, women, some hispanics, who watch this. let's face it, there may be some hispanics he can win. we know that. but they watch this and they see frankly a lot of unrest and violence and listen to trump and go, wait a sec, this doesn't feel like the kind of presidency we -- it just gives people a feeling of unease. >> you're basically saying suburbanites. it's the swing vote. >> and those are votes that matter. >> i agree with you, i think it could turn people off. just the whole atmosphere. and i think -- there's so many unforced errors with trump. this fun feels like -- >> it's a gut problem. >> you have to remember how donald trump judges value. it's not policy or message. it's, is he on tv today, are we
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discussing him, and by that measure, the rallies have been successful. >> would the never trump crowd been able to get more traction if there weren't an actual vacancy on the supreme court? it seems as if trump, that nothing sped this up quicker than him putting out that list? >> that's true. i think trump benefits from the vacancy. >> that's what i think too. without the vacancy, there would be more enthusiasm -- >> it's giving conservatives reason to support him. you hear that in your conversations. >> or reasons not to support hillary. >> it's a rationale. >> exactly. >> the supreme court is not just a supreme court. i think that's why he got the nra. the whole idea, if it's packed with liberal justices, the second amendment would be overturned, there's all these republican wish list items that worries that the liberal supreme court would undo. >> and trump has been exploiting
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that. >> correct. >> it's a crisis that he's feeding off of, among republicans in particular. >> he does that a lot, but there's ways for him to fix it. does anybody expect him to? >> here's what can help him. i think he should get out of california, as soon as possible. get away from all that crazy stuff. but what does help him currently is the economy. the economy is not looking as good as -- in fact, there's a threat of a recession right now, the economy numbers are looking so bad. if he touts his business experience, job creation, pointing to some of the faults in the obama administration. the economy is what voters care about. >> two more months like this jobs report. this one may be an anomaly. >> right, and if he stays on that message -- >> some of the reporting coming out from our own katy tur today that there are people now in the campaign that are frustrated, that are saying, look, why is he going down these rabbit holes that have no discernible benefit?
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attacking the heritage of an american judge and saying that he's violating the legal process because he has animosity towards you because of your immigration position, there's a lot of people in the campaign who are saying, what are you doing? we're not going to win this one. and that compacted with trump u., it just seems like his lack of discipline in some capacity will end up undercutting him. >> trump had the same situation with the whole heidi cruz controversy. that's when paul manafort came on and put the lid on trump for about ten days. that probably helped, it was more decisive than the supreme court in ending the never trumpers. i think manafort is losing steam. lewandowski who is trump's chief enabler is riding high. >> i think it's not fair to corey and not fair to manafort to say it's on them. trump is trump. >> right. >> there's no such thing as managing trump. and it's what -- frankly it's
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what lewandowski has been trying to tell people for a long time. >> his daughter gets, i think, has a very high position of influence with him and she's always telling him to rein it in and be careful what you say. and he listens to her, and i have a feeling this conversation is going on, based on what he's told us in the past. >> there is six weeks left before the convention. is there any chatter on the hill that says that they surrendered too quickly, the never trump? >> i think they got caught flat-footed because they thought they'd have more time. and if you remember, i think one of the most under-reported stories of this, is when mcconnell admitted in a local news interview, that we can get him on the second ballot. and he quickly clarified it, saying, that's not what i meant, i meant that we do have the apparatus and the rules to deal with a contested convention, and blah, blah, blah, blah. but there's a thinking at the end of april, all right, we'll let this play out, trump's going
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to self-combust, not get the numbers he needs. the convention's going to be ugly, but then we go with cruz. and a lot of people were more comfortable losing with cruz, then if somehow cruz was able to pull off what would have been an upset because of the polls and the issues, we can do business with cruz, with tactics. >> do you think there's any appetite? >> no. right now, i don't see it. i don't hear it. i think there are people, frankly they're just resigned. a lot of them are saying, i'm going to look for the silver lining, look for the new voters trump has brought in. >> that was david perdue, the senator i had on yesterday. >> and a lot of them think he's going to lose, so i thinking is -- >> i think they have to hope it's not a tattoo on them. >> two things you hear, save the senate, save the house. >> which is also why paul ryan had to endorse.
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congressman paul ryan may not have. speaker ryan did. thank you all. coming up, donald trump's race-based attacks on that judge in the trump university lawsuit gets even more blowback from top republicans. and later in our race of the day, how hillary clinton's general election pivot has put bernie sanders on the back burner. stay tuned.
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hispanic voters could be the deciding factor in tuesday's democratic primary in california. if bernie sanders is going to win there, he's going to need to do much better with latinos than he has in other states. he's struggled to win over in some other parts, according to exit polls. our latest poll shows him leading with hispanics in the golden state by a slight three-point margin. the assumption has been the increase in voters has been it's because of trump. there are 17 counties where
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hispanics make up 40% or more of the population. this is what to watch on tuesday night. l.a. county, the population there is 48% hispanic. if sanders is winning in this county, that could tell us which way the night is going statewide. a lot more on what to watch for tuesday, plus, trump's troubles with hispanics as he decides to escalate his attack on a federal judge who is overseeing the trump university lawsuits. ♪ ♪ take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you. nissan safety shield technologies, available in the altima, sentra and maxima.
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donald trump went even further today on attacks against the federal judge that's presiding over lawsuits against trump university. take a listen. >> this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building a wall, okay? i'm building a wall. i'm going to do very well with hispanics. >> so no mexican judge could be involved in a case that involves? you. >> he's a member of a society
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that's pro-mexico and that's fine. but i think he should recuse himself. >> if you invoke his race as a reason why he can't do his job -- >> i think that's why he's doing it. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> no, i don't think so at all. >> no? >> he's proud of his heritage. i respect him for that. >> while trump has gained the backing of key republicans, their reaction to these racial comments are further signs that their support is only going so far. paul ryan reacted today during a milwaukee radio interview. >> look, the comment about the judge the other day just was out of left field, for my mind. it's reasoning i don't relate to. i completely disagree with the thinking behind that. and so he clearly says and does things i don't agree with, and i've had to speak up on time to time when that has occurred and
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i'll continue to do that if it's necessary. i hope it's not. >> mitch mcconnell said the prospect of alienating hispanic voters for republicans for a long time is very real. >> what about the loss of hispanic voters, it could be a generational loss for republicans with this kind of nominee? >> i don't want to see that mistake made with latinos. it's a big, important part of america. soon will be, if not already, our largest minority group in the country. the most important job in america is the white house, and to be competitive and to win the white house, we need to appeal to a broader electorate. >> of course not only is trump delivering unprecedented personal criticism for a judge as a presidential candidate, he's once again using race as a political tool to alienate and discredit oppositions. speaker ryan's comments, that trump's comments came out of left field. trump was the most notable, if not the loudest proponent of the
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birther movement. he called on president obama to prove his citizenship, essentially daring him to disprove an inherent otherness. michael fletcher reflected on trump's prodding among other things in his latest essay for the undefeated, which is a new web portal, a news organization, which examines the intersection of race and politics. michael fletcher joins me now. you launched two weeks ago. it's fantastic. >> congratulations. >> and welcome to this world, i guess. [ laughter ] so trump with hispanics, we've forgotten too often, i think, this cycle, that four years ago, trump's main target was president obama and he was essentially for many people, using race as the reason. >> yeah, it's incredible. when you think back on it, it's almost like we've gotten used to the sadness here. but the idea that someone would question the president of the
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united states and whether he was a citizen, was extraordinary. not only the criticism was extraordinary, but that it sort of took hold at least among a significant minority of americans. even to say 1 in 5 americans think president obama was foreign-born. and that is that prompted us to look at this idea of kind of the way race and other things have been used against president obama as a political weapon. >> it clearly has. and i guess you sit here and you wonder, have we made -- is president obama -- are we going to look back and say, this broke a barrier? or when you see donald trump now, have we taken a step back? >> you have to wonder. my wife said, two steps forward, one step back. >> are you there? do you feel like you're two steps forward? >> i think you have to say this. president obama was re-elected. i think these are minority views and we'll see what happens in november coming up.
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but i still think you have to look at it as progress. i think if my own lifetime, if you would have asked me ten years ago, would we have an african american president, i would have said, i don't think so, not in my lifetime. so you still have the progress, but it's sort of unleashed an unprecedented attack as well. >> where you work, you're loorking at the intersection of sports, politics, culture. when you examining president obama, i was remembering a conversation i had with jim brown, and how black athletes were treated in the '60s in the press. and their otherness was always pointed out. or if they were outspoken, or didn't want to talk to the media, they became aloof. i had this conversation with kareem abdul-jabbar. black athletes went through this in the '60s and '70s and now we're seeing black politicians -- >> that's right. it's almost a precursor to what you'll see in the broader
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society. you think back to jackie robins robinson. >> we desegregated baseball before we desegregated society. >> exactly. and he had to walk a tight rope in order for that to take hold. even though he's a fiery guy, he couldn't really fire back, because that would set the cause back, if you will. i think you see that some with president obama. he's come under some criticism and you heard michelle obama reference it in her commencement speech, as he put it, when they go low, we try to go high. i think that's kind of what happens. you talk to some of president obama's people and they're hot about this. >> eric holder, i always felt like he was giving voice, he would say things when he was attorney general, almost on behalf of the president without the president -- >> right. and he as much as said that. he was in a different role as attorney general, but he kept saying to me, when i talked to him most recently, i was
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president obama's attorney general. if he didn't want me saying these things, i wouldn't have said them. he never tried to pull back on it. >> there was always another aspect. it always felt like he took more of the arrows. >> yeah. >> some might say race-based arrows. does he believe that? >> i think he does. but he talked about being attorney general, how a lot of racial issues fall into that baileywick, the civil rights decision, some of the voting rights, things like that, so it was easier for him to do that than president obama, who was president for the entire nation, and couldn't get bogged down in these kinds of issues. >> there's always been another aspect to president obama being the first black president, this aspect that he wasn't black enough for some black activists. and that happened more in the first term. i feel like that criticism really has gone away in the second term. >> i think it's out there in pockets. you know, you have people, for example, when he talks about
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personal responsibility and things like that, some feel like he's lecturing. but i think that's faded some. and it was a feature of his early political career. all the way back to before he was president, when he ran against bobby rush, for example, in chicago. one of the reasons he lost, he was used as this candidate of kind of, you know, the white establishment of chicago, the white jewish establishment, that sort of thing. so that's been part of his political past. but i think now, i mean, obviously that's faded some. >> where do you get a sense that he wants to use his legacy in his post presidency, that basically tries to make it so that there's a third step forward? we talked about two steps forward and then back. >> we've got some indication that my brother's keeper will be something that he wants to continue working on in his post presidency. and again, it gets him to this sort of more criticized area for him among the african american community, where he'll try to do more uplift and more self-help
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kinds of things, have people prepare better educationally and otherwise. so i think that will be one thing, and it will be interesting to see what else he does. >> what are you going to write next? >> about some of his recreational activities, some of his fun stuff, bringing basketball to the white house, and his shift from basketball to golf -- >> there you go, you go from one sport, and there's always golf. >> talk about the imprint he's made to popular culture and how he's representing in popular culture and talk about some of this my brother's keeper stuff and his ideas for the african american community. >> great way to launch your series. good stuff. thanks for coming on. the article is called "a question of racism," it's all part of espn's "undefeated." still ahead, three's a crowd. how the war of words between trump and hillary has left bernie the outsider.
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it's a special friday edition of the ws, with a focus on what to watch this coming tuesday. the last big primary night of 2016, at least with presidential candidates on the ballot. the who, chuck grassley's opponent in the iowa senate race. four democrats are fighting for the chance to knock him out. washington democrats are hoping patty judge is the winner, but it could be close. if she's not the nominee, they'll take their race for likely republican in november. now to the why, no party preference voters in california. we talked about how key they could be for bernie sanders. it could be a while before we hear how many of them got democratic ballots. but we'll know right away about everyone who had problems getting one. now to the where. it's new jersey.
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hillary clinton won new jersey in 2008 and got barack obama by ten points winning all by five counties, but you would assume they'll be more favorable areas for clinton against sanders. so can she out-perform her number from 2008? now to the when, tuesday. new jersey has a lot of delegates at stake. soon after that, it's very likely that clinton, thanks to the new jersey delegates, will hit her magic number of 2,383, to clinch the nomination. to the why, that's the question for sanders when clinton probably hits that number. he'll surely face a new wave of pressure to endorse her ahead of the convention. we'll a lot more on that coming up on tonight's race of the day. but first, josh lipton with the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks, chuck. stocks end lower this friday.
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the dow fall 31 points, the s&p is off 6, the nasdaq since 28. the big story today, that may jobs report. the economy added just 38,000 jobs last month, far fewer than expected. economists were expecting a gain of 162,000. the unemployment rate did drop to 4.7%, but that drop was mostly due to a decline in the labor participation rate, and this data does cast doubt on the odds of an interest rate hike from the fed in june or july. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.
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the day because it feels like a totally different race today than it was just 24 hours ago. yes, the polls still show it's a tight contest in california. but clinton's anti-trump speech yesterday ended up marginalizing bernie sanders. it was a perfect example of how this is not really a campaign anymore. it made the democratic primary seem small, and it made sanders seem like he's shrinking. california voters will decide whether the democratic race completely ends on tuesday or whether it will be sort of bouncing around a little bit into july. by not mentioning sanders at all and focusing entire on slamming donald trump clinton was making the argument to california democrats that it's time to start the general election right now. >> donald trump's ideas aren't just different, they are dangerously incoherent. it's not hard to imagine donald trump leading us into a war.
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>> i think hillary is very weak. i think she's pathetic. she's a thief. i think that hillary clinton is unfit to lead our country, certainly at this time. i think she's unfit. she doesn't have what it takes. if you choose hillary clinton, this country is going to die. it's gonna die. >> time for "the lid." ruth marcus, from "the washington post." alphonso aguilar from the american principles project. and founder of the fix and washington post. soon to be out of a job. >> very soon. >> hey, all right. >> literally, more to come. >> tony is not going away. >> that's what i want to here. alphonso, i want to start with
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you, earlier this week, there was a high profile hispanic outreach director that resigned from the rnc, they hired somebody else. you were servings as the grief counsellor for hispanics. what is he doing with this federal judge? >> this is an interesting thing. you find a lot of hispanic republicans that somehow are looking for a way to support donald trump. >> they want to, right? >> exactly. because they just don't like hillary. but he's doing everything to antagonize them. i've been asked by the media. i've said it to different reporters, look, if he were willing to change his tone, to reach out to us, to talk, perhaps on immigration, change his policies slightly, but nothing is happening. he keeps saying that latinos love him, but if you look at all the polling, that's not the case. >> it's not that nothing is happening, it's that he keeps talking about mexicans.
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>> that is true. however, i should point out, if you look at the polling, while he's in his 20s, hillary clinton is polling at about 60%. obama at this time, was polling around 72%. >> so there's not enthusiasm, we know this, for hillary. >> and i think they're concerned on the democratic side, but trump turning it around? i think he actually can make an adjustment if he stops making the kind of comments that he's making. >> how many times have i heard that? what you're saying, if he can change his tone, then he could do it. the problem is, trump never changes. >> no. and he said at the press conference on tuesday, i'm gonna be me, i'm not gonna change. i mean, i don't know how much more directly we can get at that. he believes, and i think this is a mistake, because he's conflating winning in a primary, which he deserves credit for.
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winning general election is not the same thing. he believes his success is based on him not listening to people, embracing who he was, and that everyone will be proven wrong again. >> while he cannot change being donald trump, his character, we know that he can change policy positions. in one day, he can change it three or four times. >> so you're holding out hope? >> on policy. not on his rhetoric. >> i want to play something else from this rally, because it does feel as if he labels everybody. take a listen. >> look at my african american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? you know what i'm talking about? >> oh, my. >> it feels as if everybody -- he wants to hyphenate everybody. >> he sees people in certain boxes and the way he expresses those boxes at the very least,
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does not sound good. i have to say, i'm struck by -- that's an incredible quote. look at my african american. what? there's one? he's mine? we're in a zoo? what are we talking about here? but i have and her receipt rhetoric towards him. both really extraordinary at any stage of a campaign no less that many months out. >> the woman, the reporter, eggs on them. i mean our country is politics makes it seem as do we have a 20% unemployment rate that i don't know anything about? we're not -- we're reacting in ways that don't make sense. >> country will die. >> she should be in jail. >> in jail or the country will die. >> her speech was fascinating that it was billed as a major foreign policy address.
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how much foreign policy? that speech was a major full frontal assault on donald trump as a no nothing, a blow hard, a bigot. that's what that speech was. to the extent she used foreign policy, it was solely in saying -- >> basicallily questioning his psychological ability. >> a quieter way to insult somebody but that was a personal insult. >> it was not a foreign policy speech. it doesn't mean it was effective. >> trump took it all personally. >> what a surprise. >> his anger at her has meant that he is upped to rhetoric even more on e-mails. listen to this. >> did you see her i.t. specialist? he's taken the fifth. the word is he's ratting her out like you wouldn't believe it, but they want to try and save
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her. anything he wants she'll do. it seems like they're protecting her. let's take the word seems out. they are protecting her from going to jail. she doesn't want to anger the president by saying i disagree with you so she agrees with just about every single thing that he wants to do. >> conspiracy theorist is back. >> it's over the top for both sides. >> wait a minute. it's uneven. yes there's some over the top but he's taken it up here, don't you think? >> well, yes and no. i work with the latino community and this past two weeks i've gotten a lot of pressure from democratic activists and pundits saying if you're a republican and you support trump, if you don't savagely attack him you're turning your back on the hispanic community.
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that's over the top and pan pandering to hispanics. >> the thing that amazes me, and i feel like we're ghetting into his cycle, he wants something he wants. paul ryan endorses him. paul didn't throw a big party. what do you see, the ramped up rhetoric on the judge and this stuff with hillary? does he have a element of self-sabotage to him. he's doing things the way he should not. no one thinks it helps him. reach out to latinos, unite the republican party. >> there's an easy way to go after her. >> there's an easy way for her to go after -- for him to go after her on many different things and even if he chose not to take the easy way, even refraining from doing some of the affirmative things to hurt
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himself would be a benefit. think about how much stronger a position he could be in, i think, than he is now. >> why did the party give up on stopping him? >> it's a very good question. nobody thought he was going be the nominee. i remember them saying believe me, he's not going to be the candidate. i didn't think he would be the nominee. i denounced him and said i would never vote for him and now i'm in a position saying could i support him? i think people underestimated him. >> well, may have to get to know gary johnson. we'll be back with tonight's -- we got a fact checking take away. right after this. and with her, a flood of potential patients.
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we have the lowest worker participation rate since 1978. poverty rate hasn't changed. more businesses went out of last year than were started for first time in our history, chuck. >> it's the last fact there. we asked our partners to check out that statement. i was more surprised about more businesses closing than opening. the verdict is in from politifact and they say that's
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not true. the most recent numbers are for 2013 and they show the opposite of what he says that year more businesses were created than crashed. there's multiple year with the country lost more businesses than created. while there's no official data to support it, it's safe bet more folds than were created during the great depression. the trend is still downward of where it should be and that's the point the senator is making. fair enough. big thanks to our partners at politifact for digging into that for us. quick out question for the panel that's still here. the chances that bernie sanders wins california. >> possible. i think we should all remind
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ourselves that hillary clinton won california eight years ago. >> 35% chance. 35 to 40% chance. >> 50%. >> interesting. guess what, you know how many there's been something like more democratic nominees who have lost california in the last 50 years than won it. that does it for us tonight. we'll be back monday. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> "with all due respect," we have nothing with trump. ♪ >> will they? won't they? will they?
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