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on muhammad ali. he's been in the hospital for the past few days. everyone is thinking of him and praying for him, including us. he will live forever as the greatest of all time. >> have a bafo weekend. we'll see you back here. >> hardball is next. hillary leads attack on trump. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington tensions are boiling as candidates rhetoric escalates. this week hillary clinton called donald trump's ideas dangerously incoherent. trump said clinton belongs this jail.
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trump ended with week with rally in redding, california where he went after clinton. >> hillary clinton is weak person. she is totally scripted. she's a thief. hillary clinton should be in jail for what she did to our national security. >> yesterday there were more scenes of violence. trump supporters were mobbed, shoved and hit by protesters. one woman was spat on and pelted with eggs and other food. make america great hats were grabbed and set on fire. in one video shot by buzz feed an american flag was being held up on fire. today trump had words for the protesters who confronted his supporters outside of yesterday's rally. let's watch.
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>> they walk out and get accosted by a bunch of thugs burning the american flag. burning the american flag. you know what they are, they're thugs. >> you've been on a trip for a long time with trump. what do you make of the turn this week? hillary's performance, his pretrial conferen performance and the people in the crowd. >> this is about as bad a week i've seen donald trump have. it didn't get better today. we had the vets conference that was supposed to be about how much money he raised. instead it was a fight with the press corps and then there was the hillary clinton speech that hammered trump. the trump campaign barely responded to her, not that day and not until that night and not
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very forcefully. he was just personally insulting her and there was the trump university document dump. we couldn't get a response from trump campaign about that for many hours during the day and then there's the ongoing attacks with the judge. today escalating them again saying on camera that he believes the judge cannot be -- that he's biassed. he needs to recuse himself because he's of mexican heritage. he was born in indiana and fought mexican cartel, fought to put drug lords behind bars. this is the same thing that donald trump is talking about when he's on the campaign trail. chris, i've been talking to aides and there's aides within the campaign that thinks this attack against the judge is
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really bad idea and they're at their wits end when it comes to their candidate going on the take in this way. they say these are the sort of things that will defeat them because they don't have a way to counteract it. they don't have a communications team in place. they literally have one person in the campaign, at this point, running their communications team. when hillary clinton sees donald trump say something that her campaign disagrees with, we get bombarded with messages from them and the dnc to counter act his message and spin it. the only op -- donald trump's team has to give the press is donald trump standing on stage or tweeting his counter attack. >> what's this word thief about? i try to keep count of these attacks one way or the other. what does he mean when he calls her a thief? i don't know that one. >> i'm not sure what he means.
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i don't know. >> i don't know either. >> that's not one i'm familiar with at this point. >> it's so strong. is that a snow capped mountain behind you? >> that is a snow capped mountain. >> it's really impressive. >> we have other live shots but there's mount shasta over there. which mountain is this? lesson. we're in redding, california. it's 101 degrees. i wish i was on that snow capped mountain. >> thank you. as you mentioned, donald trump told the wall street journal yesterday that the judge in the civil case brought by some former students of trump university had an absolute conflict given he was of mexican heritage. these are trump's words and a member of a latino lawyer's
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group. in an binterview, he doubled down. >> i'm building a wall. i'm going to do very well with the hispanics. >> no mexican judge could ever be involved in case that involves you? >> he's a member of a society where very pro-mexico, and that's fine. >> you're invoking his race when talking about whether or not he can do his job. >> i'm building wall. i'm building wall. i'm trying to keep business out of mexico. mexico's fine. -- >> he's american. >> hillary clinton called trump's position out rageous on this and speaker paul ryan who just yesterday threw his bking behind trump, also criticized his candidate. i like to say it that way. let's watch. >> look, the comment about the judge the other day was out of left field from my mind. it's reasoning i don't relate to. i completely disagree with the
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thinking behind that, and so, he clearly says and does things i don't agree with. i've had o speak up on time and time when that has occur, and i will continue to do it when necessary. i hope it's not. >> do you have any sense, i guess it's dangerous to speculate on psychological conditioning. what's his weakness. hillary has a very well produced speech, well delivered. everything about it is like she changed the direction of her own campaign style to a controlling campaign rather than a reactive campaign. trump was entirely reactive. entirely reactive to the judge, his ethnicity. he doesn't look like a guy or person in control of their own way doing things. >> i think that is exactly right. the problem that they're having behind this from the sources i'm talking to is there's infighting. there's not a cohesive message
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because the campaign is not cohesive. they still have the battle line drawn between paul manafort, who was brought in to run the convention and head of strategic operations and the campaign manager. he's a firewall between strategy and his candidate. when manafort sends over ideas and press releases and we have these endorsements from vets, female ceos and latino farmers. they're not getting there because corey is trying to control the message. that's the problem now. it's remarkable for paul ryan to take 30 days to endorse his candidate and come out the very next day and have to distance
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himself from another comment that his candidate has made. >> great. thank you. great reporting. what's your perspective watching this in anything different? >> these comments about the judge, when he talks about anything really mexican related, hispanic related, i'm seeing i've paid a lot of attention to outside the rallies, how the protesters respond. over the last week, for example, we have seen at four different rallies in albuquerque, san diego and anaheim and yesterday in san jose, that the overwhelming majority of the protesters seem to be hispanic and latino. they chant in spanish and their chief anger with donald trump is about these comments. they've gotten very out of hand especially last night.
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last night they went after trump supporters in a way i've never seen. the protesters got way from the officers and were targeting trump supporters and not just taunting them but they started beating them up. there was a woman with a trump jersey on taunted. she would just sit there and show her jersey. they threw eggs and food and hit her in face. after that it got worse because they started beating people up. some trump supporters were bloodied. the officers kept their distance for almost two hours to declare an unlawful assembly and go after the protesters. this is getting more intense by
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the day. i wouldn't expect any of this to slow down. >> jacob, let me ask you about the place behavior. all the events we have been covering show the police trying to separate the protesters from the trump people. why do you think they failed to do that in this case like yesterday? >> sometimes the police departments have heavy barricades between the two groups. they watch them until everybody's gone. after the rally is finished, the p protesters leave their gated area and start going into other streets. in this case, more than any other case i've seen, there were so few officers to deal with the protesters. at one point there was a line of them that got from front of the protesters and ignored them and
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walked around. there were several hundred protesters compared to a couple dozen officers. we have seen this over and over that police don't have full control. sometimes they let this happen. >> i'm not defending any behavior by people but there is such a thing as a mob sipsycholy and it's not good to look at it. it's pretty bad. great reporting as always. donald trump is facing more criticism for something he said at today's rally where he singled out an african-american supporter. >> we had case where we had an african-american guy who is a fan of mine. i'm going to find out what's going on with him. look at my african-american over here. look at him. >> any way.
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dave corn over here. i haven't see you carla in a long time. california play book reporter from politico. you've been watching a lot of this. what have you experienced first hand out there? >> well, i was in san jose last night. i think this scene was ugly. there's tho question about it. i think there was a lot of head scratching about the choice of location for that trump rally. not to excuse any of the ugliness but san jose is a heavily democratic city. a heavily latino city and this rally was held within two blocks of major university, san jose state. i don't know if it goes to the trump organization or if lack of organization on the campaign but you had to wonder, they're almost asking for trouble by having it in san jose and we saw it last night. >> this is hard for a reporter to determine, but do you think the trump strategist, such as they exist, like the sign of
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those mexican flags which obviously have an impact on a lot of americans. they say what's this about. why are people waving flags from another country? do you think they want to see the flags? >> i did see the flags. for a lot of them it's an issue of ethnic pride just as st. patrick's day. >> i agree. >> we see plenty of irish flags. they don't get a hassle on that. >> it's a volatile mix when you have people with build the wall shirts and there's a lot of people congregating. >> i disagree with you. this idea of having constantly, rallies on the border,
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basically, one after another. he seems like he knows where he's doing. >> he's still running a primary where if they see the scenes, they may feel more loyal. >> that's what nixon did. >> it's a version of sort of racial animous politics. you can't win an election. >> why not? >> there's not enough haters. >> and people that don't like to see trouble. >> this week when the jobs numbers weren't so good, he's now defending comments. >> i think the numbers are
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pretty good. obama is doing well. >> the republicans got some ammunition. let me finish my point. he's making out right racist statements that he can't even defend when he goes on tv. we have a birther. >> when he's talking about the judge in the case involving trump university, because he has a spanish name to start with, which is all that trump knew. then he found out he had mexican heritage. he's saying that prima facie racist. >> he's not mexican. he's american. should we call trump jewish. when he was on a network they said he can't do his job because of his mexican background, isn't that racist? he said no, i don't think so. >> if you look at the way trump emerged as a national political
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figure way more recently than the other stuff. fir first of all is the birther thing accusing the president of being from kenya and going after legal immigration. fair enough, it's an issue but he went at it a certain way, the wall. we're going to put the wall up and going after muslims come ng t coming in the country. you're adding up the ethnicity pile. then you throw in the muslim thing because of terrorism and other attitudes and build up something close to 50% of a coalition. i think you're right. he still stoking that. >> carla. >> i have to say, you're exactly right. when you're talking about how many hyphenated americans are out there. how does this play? not just in state like
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california, which is majority, minority, how does it play in the rest of the heart land. this whole strategy is going to be interesting to watch whether it wears on people. this issue with the judge is a hot issue. you're talking about a judge who is highly respected and went after the tidrug cartel. the criticism of this judge is not playing well and not just with democrats. >> i'm just overwhelmed on this friday night to watch this ugly politics going on here and the protest. all this going on against this incredibly beautifully backdrop of the most beautiful state many the world, california. i'm watching the snow capped mountains, the bay bridge. here we are messing the whole thing up with this kind of politics. >> everything trump is doing is
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extreme whether it's calling hillary a thief. >> where did that come from? >> i don't know. he's making it up. i think we spend too much time trying to figure out why he does things. >> we have to. >> he's pushing buttons of hatred. we have seen that for a long time now. >> fair enough. i never challenge you, david. carla, thank you for coming on. >> thanks. >> coming up, turning point. voters in this presidential contest have been strongly anti-establishment but hillary clinton is trying to change the focus and effectively of the race. can she make the 2016 presidential election about whether donald trump is fit for office and is that winner issue for her in november? not how do you feel about things and how things are going in the world. how do you think she would do as president? that's what he's doing and she started yesterday. plus, with him or against him? paul ryan backed trump only to slam him day later for his comments on the judge. this comes as many republicans are struggling whether to back the nominee. we have much more on the tight
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rope the gop is walking on now. the hardball round table is coming here to tell me and you perhaps, something you don't know. let me finish with thought on hillary's campaign upgrade. it was dramatic. it was yesterday. we can still feel it. she's getting really good at this campaign thing this week. this is hardball, the place for politics. [man] that's not good. [pilot] that's not good. [man] that's really not good. [burke] it happened august fourteenth,2008, and we covered it.talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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welcome back. opening salvo of the general election campaign yesterday. hillary clinton changed the focus of the 2016 election from the sort of hostile atmosphere out there toward the establishment. donald trump's personal fitness for the united states. dlout t throughout the speech she taunted him mocking his own policy and using his own words to cut him down at every turn. >> donald trump doesn't know the first thing about iran or its nuclear program. ask him. it will become very, clear quickly. there's no risk of people losing their lives if you blow off a golf course deal. he says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the miss universe pageant in russia.
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he also said i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. you know what, i don't believe him. we all know the tools donald trump brings to the table. bragging, mocking, composing nasty tweets. i'm willing to bet, he's writing a few right now. >> the headlines across various media out lets say much about how it went over. clinton mocks trump as dangerously incoherent. she savages trump as clueless and unstable at cutting speech. late today the los angeles time, the biggest newspaper in california endorsed hillary clinton over bernie sanders saying she's the better candidate to take on donald trump. i'm joined by kacie hunt.
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this is a bad week for trump because i think he was reactive the whole week. hillary clinton got out of her rut of reactiveness and put together a production number, a brilliant speech that they misadvertised as a foreign policy speech. turned out to be witty and enjoyable to listen to. she delivered it with plum and obvious comfort and practice. first time they have seen to have gotten. look at how happy she is coming out there. you knew she had a home run and she knew it. >> when i walked into that speech yesterday i was expecting exactly that. the fancy gold chairs that you might set up for a wedding. 19 flags on the stage and what we got was really one of her strongest performances i think many democrats believe throughout this entire campaign and potentially a turning point for her. you could really tell today on the stump this is candidate who is in general election mode. her aids have reminded me, hi ri
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clinton the candidate that we know, the one people have been so critical of has been a prary candidate. she's never been a general election candidate before. running in a primary is like dancing on the head of a pin. this is the first time she will be experiencing that. you saw flashes here. i had not seen a candidate who was so willing to joke around. her microphone went out and she said she knows she shouldn't shout. she was hitting trump over trump university. >> you're setting it up well. >> different hillary clinton on the stage. >> let's look at that moment you just mentioned.
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here is her talking about trump university. >> it's been a con game this has benefitted donald trump but hurt so many people, including those who couldn't afford it. who were urged to max out their credit cards, spend down their retirement accounts so they could go to this trump u and [ laughter ] that doesn't sound appropriate, doesn't it? i'm going to have to use that more often. if he goes anywhere near the white house you know what he's going to do. he's going to trump you. >> we've never seen her so up in this political world yet. thanks for the great reporting.
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the whole production of the speech yesterday, the way it was set up and misadvertised as a groggy speech and turns out to be witty and enjoyable to watch. what do you think about how this happened out of nowhere? >> she's wising up. she's fighting not on his level but in his general area of humanness. he's always fought in the force of personality and she's fought on the grounds of rationalalty. she put these two together in that speech by contrasting his ignorance and cluelessness with
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her knowledge. it's enough to point out what trump has said over and over again and keeps on saying to everybody's astonishments that he keeps on doing it at a moment he's supposed to be a disciplined candidate. >> the greatest speech given was a put down of tom dewey by roosevelt. he made him look like an idiot. >> people are talking about how tough and nasty that hillary clinton is being. she was just using his own words against him. she needs to do some variation of what she did over and over again. >> she's never going to be a schtick artist. he's got that wise guy thing. i thought what happened yesterday as i said she took
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some time out. she rehearsed it. she owned that speech. she was breezy with it. she knew she had a home run. let's stop, catch our breath. no more reaction to trump. let's take over this thing. >> she can do it quietly. she doesn't have to raise her voice. this is a much better style for her. a bit of sense of humor and enjoying herself. it was an impressive performance. she should make her stump speech sound that way. >> i think people are looking for a president. they want her to be successful
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at this. >> she needs to stay there and put trump back on his heels repeatedly. the environment is conducive for that because you see the press being more aggressive and putting the republican establishment on the spot because they have sort of kind of endorsed him but they don't want to defend the guy. the combination of those things have changed the dynamic. that's why she needs to keep hammering away. >> i think it's good to see a candidate confident of their words before they speak them. up next, donald trump has shown little love for the media this week. he was really nasty. now some reporters are being thrown out his events that they
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here's what's happening. a well informed source tells nbc news that muhammad ali is in grave condition. searchers are still combing an area of ft. hood for missing soldiers whose truck was swept away. a train hauling crude oil derailed earlier in oregon's columbia river. one of the cars caught fire sending flames and dark smoke into the air. back to hardball. the press should be ashamed of themselves. i've watched you on television. you're a real beauty. you're a sleaze. you know the facts and you know
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the facts well. >> is this what it's going to be like covering you if you're president? >> yeah, it is. yeah, it is. i'm a person -- it is going to be like this, david. >> he calls him my name at least. he addressed journalists after weeks of scrutiny for donations he promised to veterans groups. last week a politico reporter was kicked out of a trump rally. he said i was removed from the rally tonight for practicing journalism was a the campaign's permission. a trump spokeswoman said the campaign is not aware of the incident or any details pertaining to it and cannot comment. she added the campaign is looking into it. excuse me for burping here. for concerns to the press with chaos to protesters, we're watching that now is the fall we have seen reflective of what we saw in the '60s.
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our next guest says it could fulfill some of the the '60s. joining me is the reporter who was kicked out that trump rally last night. ben give us a lively account or at least a true one of what happened to you. >> i'll try to do both. i came into the rally on a general admission ticket. recently they have been denying me. i sat down next to wall behind the press pen. took out my laptop and within a few minutes staffer came up to me, asked me if i had credentials. explained i cover the campaign regularly and have for months. he took my name and consulted with his superiors and came back with a security guard and they sent me on my merry way despite a few protests that i lodged on my way out.
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>> you're in good shape now. keep it up. you got to get in when you got to get in. this idea of a book you've written. >> looking at that rally yesterday and the fights that broke out really did remind me of a lot of the protests that happens in the '69, '70 late period of the anti-war movement when it really turned violent. the rhetoric of trump is inciting a lot of racist tension is responsible for what's happening now. it's haunted by the '60s right now. >> what's the anger about? >> right now the answer is about xenophobia and racism. the wall is our vietnam right. he's going to the belly of beast
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where he knows people will be furious in san jose with his attitude. >> your reporting on that. what are you reading? >> there's obviously anger and there also can be a jovial atmosphere. the mood can turn quickly. >> like throwing people out of events, throwing out protester. get him out of here. that kind of thing. >> yeah, absolutely. a sense of public justice. obviously the most concerning is when he says they should be punched in the face. one of them was punched in the face a few months back.
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they teeter on the edge of violence. >> i have to get that woman credit who was getting pelted with eggs and food. she never stopped smiling. i think that was a very gracious way of dealing with a scary situation. good luck to getting into events that you need to get in. clara's book is called "witness to the revolution". my kids love finding out this stuff. up next, who's in and who's out? big name republicans take sides now as the gop grapples with a trump candidacy in 2016. you're watching hardball, the place for politics. >> i'm alex trebek. if you're age 50 to 85, i have an important message about security. write down the number on your screen, so you can call when i finish. the lock i want to talk to you about isn't the one on your door. this is a lock for your life insurance, a rate lock,
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let's bring in the hardball round table. what is going on in the republican party? we had a slow, late endorsement by the speaker. >> i don't think it was late endorsement. >> 29 days. >> he endorsed him before the convention which is the important thing. i doesn't matter who you are, republican or democrat, people really respect paul ryan and knew he is not donald trump in temperament. he did have to take time to think about it. i think people respect the fact he took time and he recognized that trump is the party candida candidate. >> you speak for everyone now? i don't know anyone that respects everybody? >> i think people inside the beltway and respect him whether they agree with him or not.
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>> you think? >> i think so. i have a fair amount of respect. >> do you know him? >> no. >> i find him opaque and hard to read. >> i think he's very likable. >> he reminds me of a lot of people i grew up. >> are you pious like he is? >> i think what people respect is they see him as an ernest person. i think that's what the process was with this endorsement. he's not good at faking it. this was hard for him to come around to this decision because trump was not his first choice. >> he's a more careful person? >> absolutely. ryan is more deliberate and thoughtful than trump. >> he's almost like a theologian of the right and i'm not knocking theologians.
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he is the book you want to read. he's not an erratic guy with weird, off base positions on things. he's probably pretty much statement of where most republicans in the house stand. >> that could be true. the question is what choice does he have? he's the leader of the republican party. he's the highest ranking republican official. >> you have a beautiful voice, s sir. >> maybe i should do radio. >> it's all right to speak well on television. >> it's a night of observations for me. >> mountains have gotten you in a mood. >> there are two warring parts of paul ryan. there's the part that does
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believe conservative ideas and the part of him that's a team player. those came crashing into one another with the trump campaign. for the past year, or the past four years, if not his whole career, he's been trying to lay out a plan that's constructive and universal. it's about ideas. >> they will all get scarred with the donald trump mania. they will have to live with this. >> we'll see. thank you. we'll get back to you. >> i think that ryan has demonstrated today that you don't have to agree with everything that donald trump says to support donald trump. i think tlouhroughout the campa cycle we'll have republicans disagree with him but still support this candidate. >> you can be a cafeteria tru
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we're back with our "hardball" roundtable. molly's going to tell us something none of us know. >> yes, i am. this coming week in utah, mitt romney is having his annual summit where he brings together a bunch of bigwigs and donors and so forth. >> park city? >> i believe it's deer valley. he's still doing it this year. paul ryan is going to be there. i've confirmed.
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romney has said he will never support trump, ryan is supporting trump. >> no booze will be served. this will be dry. >> we spent a lot of time looking at race and gender in this campaign. age is also going to matter. when barack obama won the presidency, both in 2008 and 2012, millennial voters were 20% of the electorate. 2010, 2015, under 15% of the electorate. bernie sanders is winning 70-30 with younger millennial voters. are she's going to have to get them back. >> that's why she's been so dainty and not attacking senator sanders, i think. >> i think we have a very similar -- something you didn't know, 75% of millennials have a concern for america's moral future. and i believe that is why they are polling with bernie sanders because they feel like he has more integrity than hillary clinton. if they feel like the election's being stolen or this primary's being stolen from bernie sanders, they will stay at home. and that will make trouble. >> are you encouraging that? >> i am not encouraging -- i
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they found out who's been hacking into our network. who? guess. i don't know, some kids in a basement? you watch too many movies. who? a small business in china. a business? they work nine to five. they take lunch hours. like a job? like a job. we tracked them. how did we do that? we have some new guys defending our network. new guys? well, they're not that new. they've been defending things for a long time. [ digital typewriting ] it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems.
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let me finish with a thought on this presidential election. campaigns for office take turns. this week hillary clinton looked like the winner. someone, it might have been the candidate herself, decided to get out of the rut of reacting each day to what donald trump said the day before. someone said about producing and that's the word for it what we witnessed yesterday from california. someone dictated that there would be a major speech written, that it would go after trump personally, dealing with his fitness to deal with foreign affairs, but really his fitness, his lack of it for the job of president. it worked. they did the buildup, they had the right speech, they got hillary clinton to sit down with it, approve it, tweak it, get herself comfortable with it, her head around it, and most importantly fully and
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confidently aware she had a home run on her hands, that this was going to be a really good one, really well received by everyone, lethal of course to mr. trump. i've seen this happen before. george herbert walker bush was langui languishing, then someone sat down and got peggy newton to write his acceptance piece, and peach began to appreciate him as future president. the alchemy of turning a reactive week, an unsteady candidate, into a winning candidate, it takes more than a speechwrit speechwriter, it takes someone to get the harried candidate to settle down, take the time required to sit down and read, think, get their head around the topic, angle or tone he or she is going to take, do what's necessary to promote and deliver. it's always impressive to see a candidate and a candidate's team shake themselves out of their zone and grab their place in reality, grab the reins of the galloping horse of history, and get command of things. and this is exactly what hillary clinton did this week and it
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will show in the coming polls. you just watch. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> we're building a wall. he's a mexican. we're building a wall between her and mexico. >> donald trump under fire. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> no. >> tonight, what the presumptive republican nominee doesn't understand about his bigoted attack on an american judge. and is the trump campaign coming unglued? plus, hillary clinton keeps up her attack as the scandal around trump u widens. a look at the latest flash of violence on the campaign trail. >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ], [ bleep ]! >> and what it says about this unprecedented election. and michelle obama enters the 2016 fray. >> we don
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