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their respects. i talked to one woman, and this is something that has come up several times today, folks who have ties to other countries who have said my mom or my dad they were huge ali fans. they didn't grow up here in america. it speaks to the global icon that he was. here is one woman who's 86-year-old father still lives in peru. >> when i was four years old back in peru, he says kaiocassi clay is going to fight tonight so i pretty much knew him since i was born. >> so he was a fan? >> oh, he was a fan. first thing he said when he came here was he wanted to know where
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he was born and go to his house. if you go to my home in peru you see a huge picture of muhammad ali, so you know how big of a fan he is. >> reporter: he spent a lot of time talking about his professional career 56 and 5 won the title three times. he was so much bigger than boxing. you can argue that it was his career inside the levering that really led to this global phenomenon before the tiger, before michael jordan, here is a guy who after he was done in the levering really became a global ambassador. it was ali who went to iraq in 1990 and helped free u.s. soldiers, it was ali who sat with fidel castro, here is a guy whether or not understood that
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his place in the world wasn't just boxing. >> his life really encompassed so much as an athlete and an activist. thank you so much for that report coming from louisville, kentucky. muhammad ali's hometown. >> the prime of his boxing career, rejected the draft when his number was called choosing to have his heavy weight title stripped rather than fight in vietnam. he was convicted of evasion, he became a symbol for the anti-war movement. he was famous for "i ain't got no quarrel with the vietkong accounts. both of you, thank you for being with me.
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with you look at this lifetime that spans so many risks of muhammad ali choosing his beliefs over boxing, matt you write he claimed the heavy weight championship the next day he announced he was a member of islam, and he was both revered but what is also astounding given that he didn't seem to care. >> no, he didn't. he really had a strong belief in his own sense of purpose and his own identity from the start. and he had been brought to the nation of islam by none other than malcolm x and they were very close friends and the very day after ali then know as cassius clay, elicited in 1964 he went to the public stating he
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was changing his name. for years sportswriters and others continued to call him cassius clay but he made everyone to come around in the end and became known in the end as muhammad ali. >> he had to overcome that but then again came the draft and david, i want to talk to you about that when he stood against the draft convicted of draft evasion you wrote this in an era defined by war we should re recognize a day in history that won't be celebrated in the white house. the u.s. government tormented him for a reason, he was unabash unabashidally dangerous. again with so many and advocacy out there he really benefitted from. >> he was dangerous because he was correct that the war in
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vietnam was a horrific waste of human life on both sides and he was willing to say that at a time when very few were unwilling to say it. the number one song was ballad of the green berets and the cover of life magazine was vietnam the war that's worth winning. the u.s. congress took two votes, one was to renew the commitment to the draft, the other was to make it a crime to burn the flag. this is very big pushback from the yoouunited states government he still stood tall when he didn't have to. he wouldn't have been handed a gun, all he was asked to do was wear some red, white and blue
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trunks, but he felt anything held do with this war would be against his morals and purpose. >> when you look at that in the political and civil rights activism but he took to the mic and poetic expression and just wailed it out. this is a world of reality tv, in that sense too he was really ahead of his time. >> he really was, one of the first sports stars to become a media darling. he was a very telegenic figure. he did talk about the social issues, he did talk about
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vietnam. he spoke about he didn't want to be a part of the white majority of the united states, suppressing other black and colored people -- or dark skinned people as he put it around the world. but he was very effective media presence throughout his career. >> and even beyond his words as we saw at the 1996 lighting that flame too. as always, thank you so much for being with us this afternoon. >> thank you. >> up next, muhammad ali long time battle with parkinson's and how he helped millions of others suffering with the disease. .. but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee! in means protection plus unique extras only from
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we don't have an official cause of death yet, but it has to be from complications of parkinson's. >> how is everyone holding up? >> devastated as you can expect at this point. >> that was bob gunnel expecting that ali's death was likely due to the parkinson's disease. he was diagnosed in 1984. joining me now is dr. michael oken. he is now codirector for movement-disorders. doctor, thank you once again for being with me. some questions that people might have as it relates to parkinson's, did the years in the boxing levering hahave any
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parkinson's? >> i think it could he have been punched and taking a lot of hits in the ring. if you look at his picture around you look at his case, what you will see is somebody that got parkinson young in their 30s, diagnosed in their 40s, started on one side of the body, not on both sides of the body, responded to these medications that we give to parkinson's patients, it is likely he actually had park sons disease and on top of that maybe some of the speech slurring where from being hit in the ring, there's a clear picture that we understand a little bit more that this looks like regular par-- parks sons diseas.
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>> i have watched him face the disease with grace and humor and he has inspired countless patients to do the same. we have lost a great warrior against parkinson's. i know you spent many years with him and his family as well and when you describe his out loloo and despite the parksen soinson had this positive out look. >> yes, absolutely, to getting to know his family and had a wonderful care giver, lonnie, making sure he didn't try to get into any of the scams that so many do with the diseases.
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the thing that resonates in my mind is that he was more concerned about us and he just continued to do his thing and to help people and help the world and he rose up at moments where you thought that the parkinson might have taken away his ability to communicate or his ability to light do an action ot a torch and he would go against the doctors orders and he would say guess what, you can live a long time with parkinson, live a great meaningful life and it doesn't have to define you. the man didn't complain, and what an amazing example for us. >> he's an example to many even those like you in the medical
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field. thank you again. >> thank you. >> we want to turn to politics and the republican coming to donald trump's defense over his rece comments over a federal judge. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls, and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. today's the day! oh look! creepy gloves for my feet. when i was a kid there was a handle. and a face. this is nice. does it come in a california king? getting roid rage. hemorrhoid. these are the worst, right? i'm gonna buy them.
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last night a friend of mine died, muhammad ali. when i was president, we had the olympics in atlanta. those of you of a certain age may remember him dealing with his parkinson's disease. the last bearer of the olympic torch to light it. once the most graceful, powerful fan with his handshaking held on until he did his job and to the very end he was actually astonishingly being human about the burden of his later years, so by the time he died, who he was as a person was greater than
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his legend. >> that was former president bill clinton reacting to the death of muhammad ali. supporting bill clinton throughout the 96 campaign and many times during that convention. i want to turn to the campaign trail where hillary clinton just wrapped up an event. she has three more stops in the golden state today. she is trying to beat out bernie sanders in a razor thin race. casey, clinton has been going pretty much more at trump than sanders her primary opponent, so can you take from that of the outcome of tuesday. >> well, she is much more focused -- and i apologize for the noise, you know how the traffic in la can be, she is focused on the general election, there is some chatter that that is going to help her try to edge
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out bernie sanders in this last round of primaries not quite last, i guess washington d.c. still has to vote, but she and bernie sanders both in the state today and tomorrow and monday as they try to compete for every last vote here. sanders shortly holding an event in the l.a. area. hillary clinton in somar, she is going to be campaigning up in sacramento on sunday, but she is really focused, as you say on donald trump. take a look at what she had to say in san bernardino last night >> i'm tired of donald trump downgrading and denigrating and basically insulting the united states but he's been doing this for 30 years, this time he's blaming a democratic president, back in the 80s-a republican
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president. it's all about seeing his face on television, that is not a good enough reason to be president of the united states. >> reporter: we have really seen i have to say a different hillary clinton come out on the campaign trail the past couple of days, she is more comfortable in this general election mode than she seems to be dancing on the head of a pin, her and bernie sanders not that far apa apart on issues. poll contests show it is going to be close, but she hopes to become the presumptive nominee on tuesday. >> we'll see if she stays in that groove. casey hunt, thank you. donald trump has no scheduled venevents but a publi official has come to his defense
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about his comments on a federal judge. multiple republicans have denounced on those push backs, but one actually coming to his defen defense. >> reporter: you are right. we have heard about what reactions of what donald trump has tweeted about, but more u.s. attorney general, take a look, we have some of that for you where he is basically defending to a degree comments about the judge saying they shouldn't be dismissed out of hand for partisan political reasons. he has a right to ask if he is fair. so this has been a real issue for donald trump on the campaign trail. you have heard him talk about his views on the judge calling him out for what trump says is
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his mexican heritage and calling into question in this lawsuit given that trump says he wants to build a wall. obviously that now coming under fire. and bill clinton out on the campaign trail talking about this particular moment and highlighting it as a choice he says between donald trump and obviously his wife, hillary clinton. he's been going after her on e-mails. trump really hit her hard on this promising an investigation if he is president. here is what he had to say to john dickerson over the weekend. >> i would have my attorney general look at it as you know you have maybe a five and six year statute of limitation. >> even if you don't find anything you would have your attorney general look at it. >> yes, she is guilty. i would let my attorney general make the determination.
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>> reporter: trump echoing the comments when he says quote trump is guil-- is as guilty as. and when we hit that point, you will see an all-out attack between clinton and trump and this line of questioning sure to be on the table. >> thank you very much. up next, we will turn back to the passing of muhammad ali. we will be joined by the sports editing manager who was at one of ally's final public appearances. then those places change every few months... please. it's time you got the quicksilver card from capital one.
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fourth time. chris, chauthank you for your t. especially for your time of 25 years and ali's life and you're talking about a life that encompassed every story on its own, when people buy this next wednesday how do you even begin to tell the story of this man's life? >> well you tell it in two parts. the first part is why are we drawn to it in the first place? because of the drama, because sports is fun at its core and nobody represented that better than muhammad ali, nobody was a bigger entertainer or transformtive entertainer than muhammad ali, but the second piece of the story is the more serious side of sports, and the fact that it does not operate in a vacuum and contains a lot of the hard ugly truth that we are
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exposed to in the rest of your lives and he was willing to embrace those really tough issues, race, poverty and religion, and he was able to do that like no other figure in history. >> what interests me in reading about muhammad ali in this past day is you have somebody self-proclaimed the best, prettiest and fastest, but when you hear everybody else speak of him there is this force in his power, and stressing love and selflessness and it is really astounding to get to the heart of muhammad ali in that sense. >> it was. you started to see ali as a more global figure. he was all bombast in the 70s,
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but going to places like manila for the fight against frazier you saw a world very drawn to him for the qualities you just described. >> one of his daughters tweeting he was a humble mountain. i want to ask you about one of his last appearances, they dead dated the sportsman to alali, a naming it the ali sports person of the year award. >> it still remains the sports person of the year award. we had to create an award to honor a lifetime of good work and achievement and we couldn't think of a better person than ali who represented all the i ideals in a human sense but in a sports sense. >> you talk about an article
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with mark cram one of your most memorable the aftermath of the thrill of manila, describing ali not being able to eat properly how their minds and bodies were ba battered from that fight. why do you think somebody still knows that thrilla in manila? >> well, first it rhymes, but second the velocity of that fight, it represented the best of both two fearless men, when you think of ali, fearless is probably the first thing that comes to his mind. especially during the 70s, that was a ferocious time in heavy
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weight boxing, the man being banned for almost four years was just incredible, but he was fearless in the ring as well, the sacrifices he made in the 60s and 70s are sacrifices we really cannot -- we know the sacrifices we make, but can't understand the depth of the risks. >> time and time again. thank you. >> be sure to tune in at 8:00 tonight, 1974 it is about a david and go lialiath story. and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car...
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. president obama described muhammad ali as a man who fought for us back in 2005. president bush honored him with a medal of freedom. >> only a few are known in their sport in their time but when you say the greatest of all time is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. it is quite a claim to make. but as muhammad ali once said, it is not bragging if you can back it up. [ laughter ] and this man backed it up. from the day he won the gold medal at the 1960 olympic games we all knew there was something special about this fighter from louisville, kentucky, his record
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hardly begins to tell the story. far into the future fans will study his films and some will even try to copy his style, but certain things defy it, the ali shuffle, the total command of the ring and the sheer determination and guts he brought to every figh this is a man who once fought more than ten rounds with a fractured jaw and fought to complete exhaustion and victory and that legendary class of greats in manila. the real myself i guess is how he stayed to pretty. [ laughter ] probably had to do with his beautiful soul. he was a fierce fighter and he's a man of peace just like odessa
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and cassius clay believed their son could be. he is a compassionate and charming man and the american people are proud to call muhammad ali one of our own. >> up next, the evolution of muhammad ali, how the boxing legend transformed from one of the most controversial in american sports to one of the most revered. >> the stage is set and shocked the whole planet to not be just the greatest boxer but the greatest athlete of all time. with hydrogenated oil...
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wasn't always the case especially here in the yoouunit states. a despised draft dodger to somebody who was loved and revered today. >> reporter: yes, the love that has grown by americans to muhammad ali, it wasn't always that way, as we were saying quite the opposite. early on in his career he was criticized for his positions and while he was eventually praised for it it was his words at the time that made people uncomfortable especially on things like the vietnam war. >> some darker people, poor hungry people in the mud for big times of america an shoot them for what? they never lynched me or put no dogs on me or robbed me of my
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nationality or raped and killed my mother. shoot them for what? little babies and children. just take me to jail. >> reporter: as a boxer his quick match in the ring were rhymed with his psychological match outside. and taunt them with racially charged -- >> i got a little gorilla here, this is the conscious, i keep him in my pocket everywhere i go. right there. it says there will be a killer and a thriller and a chiller when i got the gorilla in manila and i got his conscious right here to keep me on guard. see, see, here is the way he looks when you hit him. all night in malaysia. that's all you gonna see.
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come on gorilla, we in manila. >> reporter: but with time and vindication the world began to see a more indearing human side one of an out spoken activist where his humor became his ha haul -- hallmarks. >> love for those whom depend on, whom one comes in contact every day in life, love for one's country, humanity, even to the smallest creature or insect that lives. if we study the qualities of the heart, we will find that the heart quality is a loving quality. it becomes the loving manner, the manner of god himself, all such attributes as mercy, compassion, spring from the heart. >> reporter: as his religious
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positions evolved especially on race, we included a message and service for love of all people. >> i would like to know what you are going to do when you retire from boxing? >> i think he's probably taking the last count at the moment. i'll do my best to wake him up. >> i'm going to sleep. i'm going to use my life helping charities, uniting people, people bumming each other because of religious beliefs, we need somebody in the world to help make peace. >> reporter: he says the man who views the world the same as he did at 20 has wasted his life. the way that he saw the world evolved over his lifetime. >> it really is astounding when you think of this powerhouse and
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how he stayed humble in those words and we both watched that harvard speech back in 1975 when you talk about the thing that speaks to your heart the most. it is something you can pick up whether it is harvard of 1975 or today. >> reporter: he had a testament to the message that he carried with him that he acknowledges over time. that shows you how complex of a person he was. >> the tweets from his family. nine children, married four times you see constant tweets saying they have lost the best friend, his daughter, these are the people who knew him intimately and knew him the best. especially when you have given this time, he is remembering -- you know the life that he lived and we're all remembering the
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life that he lived as well. as i stand by i want to bring in a news conference with bernie sanders in california who is now talking about muhammad ali. let's dip into that. >> he probably fought fights at the end of his career that he should not have fought and took a terrible pounding from ernie shavers, who knows i don't think that helped the -- of parkinson's, i've been all over this country. i'm talk to go muslim people who are saying bernie, our kids are now afraid. i say to those people one of the great american people was muhammad ali a very proud muslim and don't tell us how much you love muhammad ali and yet you're going to be prejudice against muslims in this country. >> what is your reaction to the
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fact that gary johnson is beginning to poll at 10% -- >> breaking away from this press conference and rally where bernie sanders just got done finishing and talking about muhammad ali calling him a great man and a hero. that does it for me here on msnbc live. i want to toss it to craig melvin continuing our coverage from louisville, kentucky the hometown of muhammad ali. >> reporter: well kwcome to thi special edition live from louisville, kentucky mourning the loss of its hero at the age of 74, from lowering flags at half-staff, to a growing memorial, a hollywood walk of fame. there's one thing that has become clear by his death that the world has not lost merely a
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