i want to toss it to craig melvin continuing our coverage from louisville, kentucky the hometown of muhammad ali. >> reporter: well kwcome to thi special edition live from louisville, kentucky mourning the loss of its hero at the age of 74, from lowering flags at half-staff, to a growing memorial, a hollywood walk of fame. there's one thing that has become clear by his death that the world has not lost merely a boxing legend but a bona fide icon. >> muhammad ali belongs to the world, but he only has one hometown. [ cheers and applause ] >> the louisville lip spoke to

everyone, but we heard him in a way no one else could as our brother, our uncle and our inspiration. >> reporter: muhammad ali's family is holding a news conference in the phoenix area in just a bit we will go there in just a moment when it starts. president obama joining millions of americans who are offering their condolences remembering the greatest of all time who still as you can see there holds a presence in the commander in chief's personal study to this day. he was standing feet away to witness the first black president. mr. obama tweeting saying "he shook up the world and the world is better for it rest in peace, charge." this is the first time we have heard from ali's family since

his death. let's listen in. >> 24 to 48 hours with family members accompanying him. he will -- the celebration of a m ma his life will begin for just the immediate family, grandchildren, children, cousins, brother, then the next morning the family will gather at the funeral home location where they will be joined by the aid who is presiding over the funeral arrangements for prayers and at that point a funeral -- a rather

large funeral procession will take him through the streets of louisville to allow anyone that is there from the world to celebrate the life of him. he will pass by the parks of the muhammad ali center where it is named after him that he led and follows his principles. he will then travel down to street named after him, muhammad ali boulevard through his old neighborhood and then come back up broadway in louisville where many iconic photos of him were taken especially after the 1960 olympics victory, and will end at cahill cemetery where he will have a private ceremony with

family only. at 2:00 p.m., the memorial service will begin -- [ inaudible ] >> including former senator hatch who will represent the moorman faith. eulogies will be led by president bill clinton, bryant gum bble and billy crystal. after there will be a reception for friends and guests at the muhammad ali center and so that will include the service for mr.

ali. at this time, i'll take any questions that you might have. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> could you describe for us his home -- i'm sure it was very solemn, define the moment. the family was there, were they able to say farewells? >> they had a full day to say farewell to him. all family members all daughters and his son were in attendance and his wife. they got to spend quality time with him to say their final goodbyes and it was a very solemn moment as i have repeated since last evening. it was a really -- you hate to

say this about a funeral, but a beautiful thing to watch, because it displayed everything that's good about muhammad ali and the family displayed that with dignity, and of course there was sorrow, they were in sadness, but it was done -- the champ would have been very proud of his family. >> was he able to say goodbye? >> yes. yes. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> he became ill monday. and, was hospitalized monday night. i'm losing track of time. forgive me. monday night he was in the hospital but he was in fair condition and we expected that

to be the case you know he has battled back many times and we expected it to happen this time. the family was called when things became more serious, still had a lot of hope that it was going to turn around. i arrived in phoenix a couple of days ago and then shortly after i arrived it became clear in discussions with lonnie ali and his doctors that his condition wasn't going to improve, so they were able to bring all family members in the last 24 hours when we knew things weren't going to improve they were given time to say goodbye. his official time of death was 9:10 p.m. mountain standard time. his official cause of death was

septic shock due to unspecified natural causes. they're having a -- it is very rough at this point for the family. all family members are having a tough time. [ inaudible question ] >> i don't know that answer. in the back. >> any plans to have a memorial service in arizona? >> there is not at this point in time. at a later time there could be something, but for right now all memorial services will be held at louisville. [ inaudible question ] >> i was not there. his final moment -- his actually final hours were spent with just immediate family. there were lots of very close

friends that flew in to be with him, but they respected the family. they didn't go to the room, so i don't know -- in the back. >> i wonder if the family are aware of the impact of the united states but of this having around the world and a lot of tributes being made literally from ever corner of the globe. >> they do and they are very appreciative of all the outpouring around the world and that's why i think it was important to them to have a celebration and a memorial service that was open to everyone from all walks of life. you know, their heartfelt -- they certainly believe that mohammed was a citizen of the world and he truly was and they know that the world grieves with

them and they received, as you can maimagine, tens of thousand of well wishes and support. >> you mentioned that the funeral will reflect his values. [ inaudible question ] >> i'm sorry i couldn't hear the last -- >> did he have a specific request? >> well, this entire service was his specific request, so yes. >> how many hours before he died -- [ inaudible question ] did he suffer? >> he did not suffer. no. i think the realization set in the morning of his death. a couple more questions if we have them. >> [ inaudible question ] do you have any idea what's going to be the future of charities -- >> you know, obviously you know

the ali family will continue to support those, lonnie will still be very involved and very active and so i -- those will continue to go forward. what they have asked and that brings up a good point, is that in leiu of flowers of cards that donations be sent through the muhammad ali center in louisville, kentucky. two more questions. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> i think that's for -- i think that's for historians and history, but i think he will be remembered as a man of the world who spoke his mind and wasn't afraid to take a chance and went

out of his way to be a kind, benevolent individual that really changed the world. i mean, muhammad ali changed the way people challenged authority. and looked at it in a completely different facet. last question. [ inaudible question ] >> yes, and thank you. and so through the muhammad ali center website, muhammad ali center.rg -- but through muhammad ali center.org the actual service will be streamed throughout the world and

translated as well. so, that will be available to follow along. [ inaudible question ] >> well, it is going to be in the muslim tradition. obviously that's why the emom is leading it, but mohammed truly loved all people. this whole service, the service funeral plans were done years ago by mr. ali who discussed them personally. there will be further updates in louisville tomorrow night. thank you. >> reporter: and there you have it muhammad ali family spokesman bob gunnel giving us a little bit more detail about when those

memorial and funeral services are going to be held. also some details about his final moments as well after being admitted to the phoenix air hospital. he is going to pass by the center on friday. he is also going to spend some time, the caravan is going to make its way down to street. literally two blocks where i stand. here, behind me, this memorial continues to grow. this is a memorial that popped up late last night. very, very late when it became clear that this was one fight that the champ would not win. folks who have been streaming by this memorial all day have been dropping off flowers and balloons. we have seen a number of folks embrace and wife tears away only fitting that this 74 year old

will be laid to rest where it all started here learning to box at the age of 12 when someone stole his bicycle. that $60 bike he was going to go and find whoever did it and in his words "whoop them," the officer says perhaps you should learn how to fight first. they touaught him how to box an the rest of course is history. he was at that news conference that just wrapped up there, ron, it was also interesting to me at least to hear precisely how it was that the great ali spent his final hours here on earth surrounded by family. >> reporter: surrounded by family and bob gunnel says it was very moving and touching all the folks that wanted to be with him in those final hours came in

and paid their respects. a lot of close friends flew in from all over the country but respected the family's wishes they just wanted to be near him each member of the family got to spend some quality time with their dad and husband and uncle and grand ddad in his final hou and bob was mentioning that he fell ill on monday and believes it was monday night that he was admitted to the hospital and the thinking was as has been the case throughout the past several years each time he has had a little bit of a health setback he battled back and they expected nothing but, but by wednesday said it appeared it was going to be a more serious challenge to ali and of course he passed away just past 9:00 pacific time just past midnight on the east coast. many of you can find this on the

ali center website.org, the body we understand will be moved to louisville within the next 24 to 48 hours and there's private activities planned for the family and immediate family on thursday in louisville and then the public celebration beginning friday morning with the procession around town there's a map for folks in the louisville area who want to get a good spot for that and then the services will start at 2:00, we heard about the roster of speakers, president bill clinton, bryant gum bble and billy crystal, he s quite a friend as he mimicked him. a sad day in the valley but a good day for people to remember and recollect all those great

moments over the years and there will be a big audience i presume friday around the world at those services, craig. >> reporter: ron, it's been cool to talk to some of the folks here in louisville, who actually knew him growing up. a woman was telling me about her husband who used to spar with him who went to middle school with him and she described a boy who sounded very similar to the man that we all knew, a class clown, loved to joke around and even at that age was very much into magic tricks. >> reporter: he was an entertainer. that's what he chose as his profession was a professional entertainer. a violent way to earn a living but did it with such grace and dignity and though he got a lot of track he got in the 60s and

how he is revered around the world, it is an accomplishment to overcome public reputation and to see people of all ages and those who got a chance to see him fight in his prime saw something very special. i've been remarking since this news hit, i saw, came of age toward the tail end of his career and it was very disheartening to see that loss to leon spinks, he did not have the most graceful exit from the sport but post that and all the champion causes, including the muhammad ali center here at one of the hospitals for parkinson's research have raised more than

$100 million since the mid nineties, so for the folks interested and moved so much to want to do something for the family as you heard at the end of the press conference you can make a donation at the ali center there right at the muhammad ali center.org. >> reporter: ron, thank you. we'll come back to you in just a bit when we continue our coverage here on msnbc, what it was like to fight him. former boxer evander holy fiefi joins me, but first here is a taste of the champ's quick whit. >> the stage is set for me to shock the whole planet and be recognized not as the greatest boxer but the greatest athlete of all time. ey inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms.

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. last night a friend of mine died. muhammad ali. when i was president, we had the olympics in atlanta, those of you of a certain age may remember watching muhammad ali dealing with his parkinson's disease the last barer of the olympic torch up the ladder to light it. once the most powerful graceful people holding on with his handshaking and he did his job and at the end he was actually astonishingly good humored about the burden of his later years, so by the time he died, who he was as a person was greater than his legend. >> reporter: that was president clinton just a few moments ago

there in englewood, california talking about his friend muhammad ali who died last night at the age of 74, we just learned that he will be one of those paying tribute here in louisville on friday along with bryant gum bble a friend of muhammad ali's who was actually here when the center opened back in 2005 will be one of the folks eulogizing him along with billy crystal. let's turn to chuck wep nner he went 15 rounds with him back in 1975. he became the only boxer to knock him down at this point. he lost the fight but he did

gain a life-long friend chuck wep nner on the phone, let me start with condolences to you today with the loss of your friend, first let me ask the initial reaction of the news that we truly lost muhammad ali last evening? >> i loved the man, he did so much for me and gave me a great opportunity and we lost the greatest. that word, that name fit him to a t. he was the greatest. >> reporter: before we get to the fight back in 75 what was your most memorable interaction with him outside the ring? >> after the fight we toured for a while i played mr. tooth decay and i boxed ali and i would knock him down and they would

brush his teeth and get back up and we were trying to get the kids in washington d.c. to brush more. we had a meeting with the president of the united states at that time the peanut farmer, any way, i got to spend a lot of time with ali and i've seen him four or five times since. i went to his birthday party three years ago out in las vegas and it was great just to be with him. he was a living legend. >> reporter: chuck, tonight that you fought ali, take us back to that night, to the fight. >> well, it was the only fight i ever trained for full time because i was never subsidized. i had to run in the morning, work during the day and train at

night, so people from don king's people sent me away to camp up in canada and i got myself in great shape and i was ready that night and i gave him my best shot but he was still muhammad ali just came off the knock oou of george foreman, it was probably the best of my career i just wasn't good enough to beat the greatest. >> reporter: chuck wep nner tha you so much, sir, for sharing your thoughts with us on this saturday afternoon. i'm joins now with someone who never fought muhammad ali but someone who was inspired by him the five-time boxing champ evander holy fiefield joins us. you have said time an time again

that he was your inspirational professor. what was your reaction to the news? >> well, this man had a great life and at some point it ends for everybody you know more than to be happy for all the things, all the goals that he -- all the memories he had given to everybody to strive to the very best and endeavors. >> reporter: take me back to that first time that you met him. i believe it was in the mid 80s. >> it was after the olympics i met ali and it was such a great thing. i was told when i was eight years old that i could be like ali, he was a gold medal and i was a bronze medal, i had every

inspiration just like him i think everyone wants to break ali's record and i told them no, they asked me why and i said because i'm lose. i lost to him in more than one set. it was just the fact that i found out that people who take chances of winning, sometimes you can fall short, but you can get back up and that's what ali has proven and -- i won some and i lost some, but at the end i won. >>evandr -- evander, your styles were similar, a lot of folks considered him and you to

both be under weigweight for th heavy weigweight class. what was it about his style inside the ring that made him so dominant? >> ali looked beatable. he looked beatable. i mean the guy is good looking and can fight. he wasn't -- he wasn't that muscular that he looked like he could knock somebody out, but he had fast hands and he was a good thinker and had great rhythm and in the way he boxed sometimes he would throw three jabs and he may throw two and just when you disrespect him you can get knocked out. and so you know these are the things that you know that make one great because you can't look at him and just tell that he hit

as hard as he hit, but he wasn't the strongest guy, but he had pop in his -- as a boxer and he had a lot of respect because he had fast hands and he could hold a man down real low and punch you first and beat you to the shot, so you know, he was a very knowledgeable person about his craft. >> reporter: what was your last visit with him like? >> well, i was at an event that i had to kind of walk him on to stage. his balance wasn't that good, and it was a birthday, and it was probably two years ago, and you know, i -- you know, i

didn't know -- do i feel good or feel bad because here is a guy that was your hero and now these new guys are holding him up to balance and i didn't know to feel good about it or feel different you know it was just the fact that if i was holding my mother up -- but you know -- the difference is, is that it is quite different when the person was your mountain and this is how you learned how to climb and now you're holding that person up. and i feel bad, but that's what life is really about. you can only be better than the people that you learned how to fight and i think that's the

ultimate respect in knowing that you know what? i give you this because i want you to be better and not think that what ali did was pour his heart out to so many people in the world that you only believe you can receive and i think he got that message over to a lot of people. >> reporter: evander holy fiefi in his prime versus ali in his prime. who wins? >> well, you know, no one. [ laughter ] >> because the fact no one is happy because think about it, you know, he's saying -- he said it himself, i'm the greatest and everybody -- and so it would be foolish for me to say when i understand what he said is the truth. you can learn from the people who before you just can't learn from the people behind you.

so he'll tell you how great he was and he knew that hey, if i tell everybody i'm the greatest, i'm the greatest, i'm the greatest that there's every been. he's talking about everybody before him. he's not talking about afterwards and so you know what, and i called it and i said you know what? you're right. you're supposed to be better than anybody before you, impossible to think you can be better than somebody behind you because it's up to them to quit. they can always beat you. >> reporter: evander holy fiefia former five-time boxing heavy weight champion. i know you were here for the opening of the ali center, this is where i'm standing right now. this is going to play a point in the memorial on friday. do you plan to make it back for

the memorial? >> i wouldn't miss it. >> reporter: thank you, sir, thank you for your time. sorry for your loss. be sure to watch the special it's called "when we were kings" all remembering the iconic boxer, his rise to the top, how dominant he was in and outside the ring you can catch that later on at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. a look back when we return to convert to islam. that's up, but first an inspirational speech from the champ himself to the class of harva

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. the stage is set for me to just shock the whole planet to not be recognized as the greatest boxer, but the greatest athlete of all time. >> you may have that right now though. >> so some say baseball players, some bay babe ruth but when i'm four times heavy weight champion i'm going to be -- >> reporter: he would not go on to defeat larry holmes but his legacy is one of the greatest of all times. i'm joined right now with larry holmes thank you so much for being there. you heard him saying if he beat you there would be no doubt of his greatness.

what's the memory that stands out to you of ali the boxer and muhammad ali the man? >> they both stand out because a boxer can fight and you know he had his good days and bad days, but he could always pull it out, he could fight and the man, you couldn't beat him. you couldn't find many people like that. certain people ask for autographs, held sign autographs for anybody that comes in front of him and asks for one. i worked for him for four years as his firm partner and travelled with him to indonesia, to africa, to places like that and i never seen him say no to anyone as far as a photograph or a picture, so in the older days that i stayed with him in the camp, i never seen him holler at

somebody for somebody they shouldn't have been doing. seemed like he was always level and that's what bothered me because he was too straight. [ laughter ] >> reporter: larry, in 1980 when he came out of retirement to fight you, it was not a pretty fight. it was stopped if i remember correctly in the tenth round it was stopped by dundy, he had had enough. you have said in the past that that was the hardest fight of your life and that you we want like a baby in the end. why? >> because he was an idol, a friend, and a human being, and you want the people that are leaving you set an example, you don't want nothing to happen to them. ali was an example. he was going to be a long, long,

long, time for anybody to catch up to it. he could make people happy. so, ali was the man as far as i'm concerned. >> reporter: larry holmes former heavy weigweight boxing champ o greatest of all time. sir, i do appreciate your time. >> all right. thank you. >> reporter: still to come, the impact that ali had on this great city, his hometown of louisville, kentucky, the major is standing a few feet away from me. he will join me, flags are flying at half-staff. leanne gregg fisher the mayor of louisville, will join me, first up, a look at the growing memorial at the muhammad ali

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flags at city hall here in louisville lowered to half-staff to honor this city's native son. muhammad ali cemented his legacy with the muhammad ali center which opened back in 2005, it is a culture center striving to inspire young people with his life and legacy. we have seen hundreds if not thousands of people streaming through. i'm joined by mayor greg fischer. you said earlier that ali was a citizen of the world. >> yeah.

>> reporter: but he was also louisville's own. >> we saw him grow up here, we saw our brother, our uncle, the prankster that would knock on somebody's door and say can i come in and have dinner. he was a great trix tterixter, humanitarian of all time. >> reporter: outside phoenix with his life lonnie, we just got word a short time that he is going to be laid to rest friday in louisville, a very public memorial about two blocks from here, there's going to be a service here as well i'm told. he's also -- you give me the details here if you can -- there's going to be a procession through the streets of louisville? >> he was the people's champ and he always kept a home here, so he is ours, so we will see him driving through the streets and

people driving through the streets to tip their hats and show expressions of love to him. everybody has an ali story whether at a little boy or the global humanitarian at the age of 74, we couldn't be more proud to have him as one of our sons. >> reporter: what's your story? >> when i was six years old kind of seeing the buzz of my dad and his friend saying, that's our guy. the vietnam war, i grew up during that so seeing the stance he took, a really controversial at the time, but proud that i'm standing my ground. people may not have agreed with him, but later with my work with him and his wife lonnie has been in the humanitarian where he said the greatest trick was i didn't want to be the greatest attornhlete of all time but i ho

do that to be the greatest humanitarian of all time and you know, i said champ, why do you keep going? and he said i'm goin z. continues here from louisville, kentucky. morro? i'm gonna send a vague text in a couple of days, that leaves you confused about my level of interest. i'll wait a full two days before responding. perfect! we're never gonna see each other again, will we? no-no. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back. 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double.

edded eddeded . >> muhammad ali the greatest ever inside the ring but what he accomplished outside of the ring will be the most likely impact on his legacy. from the vietnam war to a global ambassador and humanitarian. he spent decades fighting for

others. i'm joined by political analyst and columnist for the daily beast. jonathan, one of the things that has really struck me over the past 12 hours or so, we have not perhaps spent as much time talking about how devicive a figure he was in this country and what was it about muhammad ali that changed and turned him into a universally beloved human being. >> if you want to take more of a barbed approach to that question he tweeted today he didn't become an international iconn until he couldn't speak anymore. until parkinsons robbed him of his voice and at that point he

became acceptable and a great hero to everybody in that world and he was outspoken and ticked people off and was a polarizing figure although a great figure from the moment he first emerged as champion. so i do think that age sometimes is almost any kind of figure and there was a ponency to the story as he got older that made him more beloved around the world he became an old man before his time. if you remember seeing him in the olympics in atlanta in 1996. he was only 54 years old at that time but looked like an old man

so the damage that the parkinsons did i think had the effect beyond the terrible effect it had on him personally. it had the effect globally of entering him into even more millions of hearts than he entered before. >> i always enjoy your perspective. thank you so much for your time this afternoon. >> that is going to do it for this hour. word coming at the top of the hour that muhammad ali will be laid to rest here in louisville where he was born and where he learned how to box. a very public one will be happening here on friday. our continuing coverage will continue next with my colleague harry smith in new york but we leave you with a live look where

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welcome to an msnbc special remembering muhammad ali. he was a boxer that preached peace. a fighter that fought harder for what he believed in and as he told us many times he was the greatest. muhammad ali died at the age of 74. he suffered from parkinson's disease. a disease most likely caused by boxing. he was surrounded by his family when he died. a family spokesperson talked about those emotional final moments with