ali, became a living legend. our thanks to all our guests who have helped us through our coverage. and that will do it for this hour of our coverage, muhammed ali, gone at the age of 74. yeah, i'm in africa, yeah, africa's my home. damn america and what america thinks. africa is the home of a black man and i was a slave 400 years ago and i'm going back home to fight among my brothers. yeah. >> for these two african-americans to come home it was a great, great significance. because of hollywood and tv, a lot of us had been taught to tate africa. there was a time when you called a black person an african, they

would be ready to fight. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> when i get to africa we're going to get did on because we don't get along. i will eat him up. too much speed for him. too fast. too fast. i'm going to retire the heavyweight champion of the world. i'm going to retire the heavyweight champion of the world. september 25th, the world will be stunned. that's right, if you think the world was surprised when nixon resigned, wait until i kick foreman's behind. ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ >> an 18-year-old amateur boxing champion with a charming smile took a physical examination for his first professional fight. >> it won't be an easy fight. but my plan of attack on a fighter like alec would be two fast left jabs, a rapid right cross and a left hook. >> in the belgian congo, freedom was followed by rioting and armed mutiny. for months the political pattern kept changing with collide scopic speed until pro red

premiere lemumba was seized by the strong forces of mobutu. >> after watching mike dejon i would rate myself about number two now. i'm out to break floyd patterson's record. by my 20th birthday, today, january 17th, that leaves me exactly one year to reach my goals. people do say i'm cockey, some say i need a good whipping. people say i talk too much. the other night i predicted i would knock out this banks in four rounds, and i did. >> i knocked out don juan in four rounds, i just annihilated george loegen in four rounds.

>> close your mouth and just keep it closed. >> you know that's impossible. i'm the greatest. i'm knocking out all bums, if you get too smart, i'll knock you out. >> you would take him on before the fight? >> beat him like i'm his daddy. >> i saw sonny liston a few days ago. >> ain't he ugly? i'm young, i'm handsome, i'm fast, i'm pretty and i can't possibly be beat. >> cassius clay goes into the record books as another who brought up one of the great upsets in the heavyweight history. >> it is befitting that i leave the game just like i came in. beating the big bad monster who knocks out everybody and no one can whip him, that's what little

cassius clay from louisville kentucky, came up and stopped sonny listton, he was going to kill me, he hit harder than george. his reach is longer than george and he's a better boxer than george. and i'm better than i was when you saw that 22-year-old kid running from listton. my jaw has been broke. knocked down a couple of times. been chopping trees, i done something new for this fight. i done wrestled with an alligator, i've wrestled with an alligator, i done tussled with a whale. i done handcuffed lightning, throw thunder in jail. that's bad. only last week i murdered a rock, injured a stone. hospitalized a brick. i'm so mean i make medicine sick. >> fast, fast, fast. last night i cut the light off in my bedroom. hit the switch, hit the bed

before the room was dark. >> you, george foreman, all of you chumps are going to bow when i whup him. i know you got him picked, but the man's in trouble. i'm going to show you how great i am. >> hell, i think ali was scared. i think he was scared even then. he knew he was going to be scared as he got closer to the fight. the way george fights, i named him the mummy. >> with his ego, he could keep telling himself. he would make a fool of him. he was shown superior boxing. that foreman would never lay glove on him. he had to know he had not done nearly as well against two fighters particularly, joe frazier and ken norton, who foreman had demolished. >> down goes frazier.

foreman is as poised as can be. >> foreman is going about his job. >> he had an overpowering intensity when he punched. foreman had won the championship by knocking joe frazier out. knocked him down something like seven times. >> this chump has got everybody scared. scared of what? >> nothing to be scared of. scared of what? >> how many fellows in here now be truthful, be men. john, raise your hand. you got george? tell the truth. you, fellow, you.

>> the time may have come to say good-bye to muhammed ali because very honestly i don't think he can beat george foreman. >> howard cosell, you told everybody i don't have a chance, you told them i don't have nothing but a prayer. well chump all i need is a prayer. because if that prayer read the right man, not only will george foreman fall, but mountains will fall. >> against george foreman, so young, so strong, so fearless? against george foreman, who does away with his opponents one after another in less than three rounds? et cetera hard for me to conjure with that. >> you're talking about muhammed, you're not the same man you were ten years ago, ask your wife and she told me you're not the same man you was two years ago. >> after this fight, i suspect ali will retire. through all of the years, my own memories of him will be as a

fighter, and as the strange and curious and gregarious and engaging and sometimes cruel, and sometimes family man that he is. >> i'm going to let everybody know that that thing you got on your head is a phony and it comes from the tail of a pony. >> stolen bicycle. he had a bicycle and he went to columbia gym. it was something going on up there and he left his bike parked outside. so when he came out, someone had stolen it and he went inside. and he was crying and he told the policeman there, his name was joe martin. that someone stole his bike. and joe martin, he would also teach the little boys how to box in the evening. so he asked them would he be interested in learning how to box and he told him yes. because if he ever found out who stole his bike, he wanted to know how to fight so he could beat them up.

>> an overhand right, sends sonny do the canvas. referee trying to get ali to the corner. ali yelling at listton to get up and fight.on to get up and fight. >> the anchor punch. people couldn't see it. it was so fast, "sports illustrated" clocked it. they got a slow-motion camera they clocked the punch and the punch flew at .04 of a second. >> you can break a cycle down to 100 pieces, you know how people who win a ski race in hundredths of a second? you can break a second down into 100 pieces. they got a machine that goes real quick and it counts real quick. and by the time that thing hit four, from the time the punch started to the where it landed, it was .04 of a second, which is an eye-blink, like a camera

flash. now the minute i hit sonny liston all of those people blinked at that moment. that's why they didn't see the punch. i swear. >> if you watch the film close you got to hold your eyes. and keep looking. i'm getting ready to hit him. you got to hold your eyes and wait or you won't see it, man. >> had this beautiful specimen, fighting machine. he was handsome, he was articulate. he was funny. charismatic. he was whupping ass, too.

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have ever talked the way muhammed ali talked without fear of something happening to him. their career. >> a black muslim minister made him ex-ment from the draft. >> he was already very unpopular with mainstream americans. because he had joined an organization known as the nation of islam. which was perceived as a radical black separatist group. and then on top of that, when he was called for induction and refused to take the step forward, he absolutely infuriated america. >> muhammed ali said that no vietcong ever called me nigger. >> the king is going home to get his throne, from the root to the fruit. that's where everything started at. this is god's act and you're part of it. this is no hollywood set, this is real. hollywood come here and take these kind of scenes and set them up. have somebody in the movies playing his life. this is real, we don't pick up a script. we get up in the morning feeling tired, sometime we feel good. sometime bad. but we go through it with feeling. muhammed ali were born to do it

as a prophet, he's going to be a fisherman for elijah muhammed. this is only a stop, look and listen sign he's doing, fighting. we've been fighting ever since we've been met. we beat uncle sam three and a half years come out of a garage, beat number two. first man ever did it. rest of them, they put out the country. this is god's act. we just actors in it. if jesus was here, everybody would want his autograph. and if films was around when he was around, they would be filming in. the only thing, this is a sport. that's why you're walking, talk to him. i think muhammed is a prophet, how you going to beat god, son? anybody love poor people and little people got to be a prophet. he was champion of the world, had a long table full of food. had a house for his mother, one for him and he told them to take it and share of it if he couldn't love his god, what you think he is? mister?

>> ali trained for the fight with foreman at deer lake, pennsylvania. he trained very hard for that fight. >> one more. >> and he had very good sparring partners. larry holmes was one of his sparring partners. i was struck with how well he handled, he actually handled ali in their sparring session, he dominated ali, that wasn't uncommon, ali very often would not show his best stuff with a sparring partners, but in fact would work on his weaknesses, he would go against the ropes and he would let people pummel him very heavy hitters who were sort of clumsy. he would let them bang away at him. it was as if he wanted to train his body to receive these messages of punishment. and absorb them faster than other fighters can absorb them. >> true significance of why they fought in africa, they came away

to win $10 million. $5 million for george foreman. $5 million for me, london, england was trying to get it promotors in america were trying to get it but none of them could surpass the $5 million mark. >> the dream is now becoming a reality. >> don king went to george foreman and got foreman to sign an option agreement saying if king could deliver $5 million, foreman would fight ali. then king went to ali and made the same deal with him. so don king now had both fighters. their signatures on a piece of paper. what he didn't have was $10 million. >> a festival that will complement the greatest sporting event in the history of the world. >> the greatest of all time. >> the champ says. >> greatest of all times. >> with some -- >> evil knievel and the kentucky derby on the same day. >> the president of zaire was willing to put $10 million of his country's own very scarce

hard-earned currency on the line. not for any short-term economic reason, but because he felt that the fight would be good in terms of promoting zaire and also in terms of promoting himself and as ali said at the time, countries go to war to get their names on the map. and wars cost a lot more than $10 million. >> the most dynamic performers from afro america, will be appearing in the stadium in kinshasa. along with the world and his theatrical release, james brown, soul brother number one, one of our top performing artists, james brown will there be performing. we will have b.b. king. the spinners. >> first assembly in the history of all america, where all the top-notch blacks of america and the people of africa had something together. all in the world level, we're all meeting each other and learning more about each other.

it's the first assembly among american black men in africa like it's the history of the world. it's a big honor to be part of that, too. plus i got to whup george. got to whup george. we going to rumble in the jungle. >> come on, come on. >> george? is this fight against ali will be the toughest of your career, you think? >> well the match -- [ speaking french ] >> could be. could be. i doubt it. >> this is muhammed ali, september 10th, at new york city airport en route to zaire to reclaim the heavyweight title of the world. champ, what would you like to say to the children of the world? >> i would like to tell the

children of the world, mainly where they speak and understand english in america, to live a clean life. stay off of dope. it's tearing the country up. also if they want to be like me, i'm getting ready to go whup george foreman, by the time they see this, i will have beaten him. tell them to quit eating so much candy. i have three rotten teeth and they're bad and i had to have one of them pulled. i can't chew my food like i should. eat natural foods, because we must whip mr. tooth decay. i got one right here and one right here. >> yesterday ali told us he's going to use part of his money for the building of a hospital. do you intent yourself to use part of your money for something, a project? >> he may think he may have to be in the hospital. >> i want the man. yeah, when i get to africa, we going to get it on, because we don't get along. i don't like him. he talks too much. >> i beg your pardon?

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flying over the saharan desert. with all african steward he ises, ain't this something flying in an airplane with all black pilots, all black crew. this is strange to the american negro, we never dreamed of this. and every time we watch television, they show us tar zan and the natives and the jungles, they never told us that africans were more intelligent than we are. they speak english, they speak english, french and african. we can't even speak english good. [ speaking french ]

>> ain't this beautiful? i'm free! i'm free. ♪ i want everybody ♪ to repeat after me ♪ if you don't know who you are ♪ ♪ and where your place in life is ♪ ♪ just say to yourself ♪ i am ♪ somebody ♪ i am ♪ i am ♪ somebody ♪ somebody ♪ i may be poor ♪ i may be poor ♪ but i am ♪ somebody [ cheers and applause ] >> it was a great joy to see that the championship was going to happen in africa. people were so happy. at last the world was paying attention to our continent. yes. we knew muhammed ali as a boxer. but more importantly, for his

political stance. when we saw that america was at war in a third-world country, vietnam, and that one of the children of the united states said, me? you want me to go and fight against the vietcong? why should i fight against them? they haven't done anything against me. and for us, it was extraordinary to see that in the america of that time, someone could take such a position. he may have lost his title, he may have lost millions of dollars, but that's where he gained the esteem of millions of africans. >> ali! ali! ali! >> what is your population? >> 22 million. >> 22 million? >> 22 million. >> how many george foreman fans here?

>> none. >> how many muhammed ali? >> we have so many of them, we cannot count them. >> george foreman, we didn't know who he was. we had heard there was a world champion. we thought he was white. then we realize he was black, like muhammed ali. but still, for us, foreman represented america, he arrived with a dog, a german shepherd, which immediately offended africans since the belgians had used german shepherds as police dogs. >> you're the out of towner here. >> africa is the cradle of civilization. everybody at home is african. >> ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> okay. fine, so they're leaving tomorrow. how do you spell typhoid. is that all that we're giving? >> who do you want to be your beneficiary in case of anything? >> an actual airline ticket to get on this plane. let me see some hands of the 51 who don't have tickets? who doesn't have airline tickets? >> hi! you know who we are, don't you?

i'm lola love and i'm one of the dancers for the james brown show review. >> when are we going to get to zaire. >> who? >> mobutu-land. >> we're going to fly to zee air until we get to zaire. >> that's right. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ around the station, ♪ suitcase in my hand ♪ going back to where i came from ♪ ♪ had all that i could stand ♪ i was up and i came down ♪ ain't gonna hang around ♪ i'm going home ♪ i'm ♪ yes i am ♪ coming home ♪ more than i can stand ♪ why don't you tell someone believe me ♪

♪ i'm coming home ♪ tell someone ♪ i'm coming home ♪ let me tell you ♪ came to this old town ♪ seek fortune and some fame ♪ never got the chance to prove myself ♪ ♪ how to play the game ♪ amusing people ♪ ain't my thing ♪ i won't dangle from a string ♪ turn me inside out ♪ i'm coming home ♪ i got it ♪ hey i know what i'm going to do ♪ ♪ tell someone to meet me ♪ i'm coming home ♪ yes, i am ♪ tell someone to beat me ♪ when you're down and out ♪ hey hey ♪ i got it >> the plane is not coming in at

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msnbc headquarters in new york city, president obama has called muhammed ali's widow to express how fortunate he and the first lady had been to meet the boxing icon. ali died from septic shock due to unspecified natural causes, he battled parkinson's disease

for many years, muhammed ali's body will be moved to his hometown of louisville, kentucky where a series of memorials will be held, culminating in a public funeral on friday, now back to "when we were kings." the fight was held in zaire in the former belgian congo. kinshasa. it was the capital on the banks of the congo. just before the rainy season when this fight took place. up to the north you could see the flickering of storms. >> it was very important to the prote motor of the fight that the fight get in before the rainy season came. he had a wonderful name. to call it zaire didn't have quite the majesty. but there it was, the congo. ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ mobutu was everywhere. he was the equivalent of joseph stalin. you saw his picture everywhere. part of the vanity of dictators, they almost always, with the possible exception of mussolini, most dictators are unbelievably ugly, franco, hitler. mobutu looked the epitome of a closet sadist. sort of guy if you meet him in the bar you think i my god, who are the poor women associated with this fellow. >> since mobutu was an extraordinarily practical man for his country. down under the stadium. seated 100,000 people where detention pens and rooms and

chambers where you could imprison as many as a couple thousand people at once. before the fight came, the criminal rate in zaire began to go up. and a few white foreigners had been killed driving their cars. and mobutu decided this was going to be a disaster in terms of publicity. so on a given day he had 1,000 of the leading criminals in kinshasa rounded up. and put in this stadium down in the detention pens. and then the legend has it, and i suspect the legend may even be true, that he took had 100 of them taken at random and killed them. and the reason was particularly simple one from mobutu's point of view. criminals who make a life out of it have connections that protect them when they're in trouble. by making this kill of 100 out of 1,000 arbitrarily, what mobutu was saying is your connections are worth nothing, i am jehovah, i'm going to blast

you out of existence if you fool around with me. ♪ ♪ he made his point. kinshasa was probably one of the safest cities in the world while the foreign press was there for the fight. ♪ ♪ >> to me the drum has been the communicator since the beginning of time. i'm sure it was the first message ever sent. when i think of the beat today and i think of the beat centuries ago, it's the only thing that kept us together. we had this thing that when we hurt, we sung for trial and tribulation, we sung for relief

and this music that you hear today is the same songs that have been made popular throughout the world without anybody's intentions or volition. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> so i would just say that anybody who knows anything about the rhythm and the blues as it's so called today, should know about africa. >> when i first met you, baby,

baby you were just sweet 16. when i first met you, baby, baby you were just sweet 16 ♪ ♪ just dressed up ♪ the sweetest thing i'd ever seen ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the music i'm listening to now, if i went to your house or most white people's places i don't hear this kind of music, because your culture, your woman didn't leave you, your woman didn't slip off on you like our women because you didn't have no money. you had money to keep your woman. when your trains come around and

the folsom prison. y'all come, y'all come. whatever it is, that's different. chinese rap dinner music, i don't want to hear that. and he understand it. everybody's got that culture. so we are not saying that we hate you, or we want to be more divided. never talk to you again or doing business. we don't do that. what we're saying is that we want to be independent now. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ baby i wonder ♪ ah i wonder what the world going to happen to me ♪

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the great place to visit kinshasa was up the river. the presidential palace. that are ws we saw foreman who seemed incredible. i had seen him fight before. i saw him destroy frazier. the thing that i've always remembered was the beaten fighter, even a man as powerful as big as frazier. he was very much favored to win. suddenly becomes about the size of a pygmy. they just diminish in size. >> foreman suddenly became this gigantic figure. and he had a trainer, dick sadler, tiny by comparison. sadler would hang on to the heavy bag. foreman would hit this bag. sadler would just literally be picked off his feet. >> foreman hitting the heavy bag is one of the more prodigious sights i've had in my life it seems to me of all the people

i've seen hitting heavy bags, including sonny liston, no one ever hit it the way foreman did. at the end of 15 minutes pounding the heavy bag. there would be a hole in the heavy bag. a huge dent the size of half a small watermelon. in that tremendous heavy bag. and foreman used to use the biggest heavy bag around. what will be interesting is ali 0 would train after foreman would often pass by this large hall where the training took place and he never looked at foreman hitting the heavy bag. he justed walked right by as if foreman did not exist. it was significant, because if you were going to fight the man, you did not want to see him hitting that heavy bag. >> i'm a great fighter, i'm scientific, artistic. i plan my style. he's a bull, i'm the matador. he's scared to death. he's scared to death.

he wish he could get out of the whole thing, he wish he could get out of the whole thing. the man is frightened, he's meeting his master, his teacher, his idol. when i come to work i'm in shape. >> ali had announced he was going to dance. he spoke about all the time you couldn't do an interview with ali during that period where he would say how is foreman going to get near to me? i'm going to dance. i'm going to dance and dance. that man will look foolish trying to find me. and as he gropes his way forward in this storm. of blindness, at the speed of my dancing, i will strike him with my jab. boom, boom, boom. he would go and so forth. we heard this over and over. and foreman heard it, too. foreman was working now on what's called cutting off the ring. cutting off the ring essentially

just means cornering your opponent against the ropes or in a corner. and it's an art. a balletic art. you have to have performance footwork. big, powerful man, his footwork was far better than anyone expected. he worked with very fast fighters, smaller than himself. who certainly could dance, he worked on cornering them and he was very good. we watched this, the combination of hitting the heavy bag and watching foreman cut off the ring made most of the fight writers, myself included, terribly pessimistic about ali's chances.

>> the guy threw his elbows up to protect himself from foreman and he walked into an elbow, that's how he got cut in the eye? >> all you want is to fight.

>> i respectfully ask are the fighters remaining here because they want to remain here? or has the government requested that they remain here? >> this is nothing but an accident. he will be getting in touch with the promoters of the fight and it's possible that we may have to delay the fight and he will let the press know as soon as possible. >> they had to stitch foreman? they had to stitch him. holy [ bleep ]. so how long is the delay, man? >> take another day or two to get any intelligence, this just happened yesterday. then after we make a decision. >> how does george feel about it? >> well like anybody else, he's only human. how would any individual feel? >> does he want to go ahead with the fight or does he want to postpone? >> why should he?

>> why should he go ahead with it? >> why should he make any decision? who would know what another man thinks? how can i truthfully tell you what you would think or what i would think? a man may have mixed emotions, i don't know. i couldn't speak for george. i can only speak for dick sadler, no the for somebody else. it will be hard, i'm not that intelligent. i don't have that knowledge. that ability to speak what's in another man's mind. >> the decision is mine to make. right now i haven't made any of the, i don't have any decisions to make. >> this meeting is now called on. the delay won't have any, any effects on the fight at all. there hasn't been there will not be a delay, the fight will be rescheduled, but when it happen, it will be actually intended for that time.

fate intended it for another time there is no delay. >> how does ali feel about it? >> if there ever has been any disappointments in sports, and in setbacks or rainy days to stop the ball game, anything this is the worst of all time. >> initially muhammed went through a pretty bad couple of hours, he first wanted to move the whole fight back to the united states. and when he was told that wouldn't work, he said well, then let's bring joe frazier over here and i'll fight him again and insteadf each of us getting $5 million. i'll take $3 million and joe can take $1 million. after a while he calmed down and said there's nothing we can do about it instead of stay another six weeks and make the best of it. >> i just have to wait. i was going to upset the world again. i whole world was going to crawl and bow the next morning. >> i was going to defeat that

big instructible joshgeorge for, going to rip him up. me dream is all messed up for six more weeks. the man's in trouble. the man is scared. he's in my country to start w h with. >> my country, you want to see? you want to me me who's in my country? ♪ ali ♪ boom boomia ♪ ali ♪ boom boom yeah ♪ can you stretch 100,000? >> i said -- ♪ ali ♪ boom boom yeah ♪ ali ♪ boom boom yeah ♪ when i hear them brothers hollering like that, i'm going to get my soul and my spirit, 100,000 african brothers hollering and i'm going to -- ooh! i'm tired, i just can't take it no more, let me get out of here

i got to get out of here. i'm going to my room. i talk to y'all later.

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