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rd helped me buy the ingredients to fill the orders. opportunities don't wait around, so you have to be ready for them. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. good morning. i'm al sharpton. it will be a week for remembering muhammad ali. the greatest of all time. in the next two or three days, ali's body will be moved from arizona to his hometown in louisville, kentucky, where he will be buried. family members will hold a private ceremony on tuesday. then on friday, a funeral procession and a public memorial. among those eulogizing ali, former president bill clinton.
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and we're learning more about ali's final hour. the cause of his death was septic shock after five days in the hospital. messages of sorrow continue to pour out. president obama tweeted this photo, showing himself under a photo of ali. on saturday, he called ali's widow lonnie williams to express his condolences. let's start with nbc's craig melvin in louisville, craig, what more are we learning about plans for the coming week? >> reporter: reverend al, we can tell you that muhammad ali's body will spend a fair amount of time here in louisville thursday and friday, in addition to that public memorial that is going to happen two blocks from here at the young center. going to be open for anyone. and streamed online as well, we can tell you. but his body will make its way down the street that bears his name here in louisville.
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in addition to president clinton, he will be eulogized by billy crystal and bryant gumbel as well, two long time friends. and there will also be a gathering here at the muhammad ali center. you can see behind me, the memorial that popped up shortly after news spread of his death. that memorial continues to grow. but on friday, folks will gather here as well. this is a center that opened in 2005, by the way. its primary mission is to encourage a new generation of muhammad alis, if you will, in advocacy more so than in sport. you mentioned his final minutes. his final hours and days, we can tell you he was surrounded by his family. he was surrounded by loved ones, one of his daughters, hana, she posted on instagram last night, she was gathered by her father's bedside, she said that all of his organs failed, but his heart wouldn't stop beating.
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for 30 minutes. no one had even seen anything like it. his nine children were able to say their good-byes. i spoke to laila ali, i was working on a separate story in california and asked her about her father and how he was doing. she told me he had been having some difficulties, that he had been having some problems but he was a fighter. she expected he would be around for many, many years to come. and we went into the hospital last week, a lot of folks thought this was just going to be one of those routine visits, but it turns out it was not. as you indicated off the top, we lost the greatest. >> no doubt about it. thank you, craig melvin, for your insight into the life and legacy of the champ in his hometown. now to get further insight, let's talk to a man who was inspired by muhammad ali. inside and outside of the ring.
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joining me by phone is former heavyweight champion evander holyfield. thank you, first of all, for taking time this morning, evander. >> thank you. >> you had a day to let the news sink in. what are your thoughts this morning about muhammad ali? >> well, you know, at the time when they had black history, that's how i got to know who ali was. i pretty much looked at ali and jackie robinson. when i was 8 years old, i was told i could be like ali. and i told my dad -- my mom. my mom, she said, what? she knew how great ali was. and -- and i told the man, but
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i'm only 8 years old. he told me i wouldn't always be 8. i said, right, because next week i'm going to be 9. it is all in what you believe. and i made the olympic team, i was light heavy like ali. and chris hinkle at the time told me to be like ali, evander holyfield -- >> let me ask you there, right on that point, evander, ali had a unique style in the ring. what made him special as you grew up being like ali as you put it, what made him special, his style in the ring? >> well, i mean, his face was the key. here is a man who would back it up. that means he knew his craft, he was a hard worker and even
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though he was comical about the things he did, but he did them. and with me, i know my mama told me, you hold that tongue. i was able to hold my tongue. but i just think about how much -- how much -- how much pressure you put on yourself by what you say. >> yeah. >> and then you have to back it up. so that was awesome. >> now, you mentioned you won an olympic medal like ali did. what were your thoughts after hearing he would light the torch in the 1996 olympics. >> well, actually, i didn't know because in 1996 i was hoping to light the torch. i was -- i wasn't looking at ali. i was looking at in the state of georgia, who is the most popular person in the state of georgia?
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who was the first world champion. i was. and when the gal harvey schiller was telling me you have good news and bad news, what is the good news, good news, you going to carry the torch. the bad news, you're not going to light it. he said, who is it? i said, i can't tell you. i can't tell you. with me, i said i better be thankful. at the last second, i didn't think i was going to touch it and i got the opportunity to. but the only time i realized is when he got to the end. it was ali. >> i know -- you didn't mind getting bumped for the champ and you did carry the torch there. evander holyfield, former heavyweight champion, thank you for your time this morning.
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now let's bring in washington post columnist jerry brewer. the headline on his latest column, muhammad ali is gone, but his voice still can be heard. thanks for joining me this morning. >> thank you, reverend al. >> why do you think we'll never see another star like muhammad ali? >> i don't know if you can combine the athletic skill with how pretty he was, how charismatic he was, how much audacity he had, and then you add the civil rights component and the political activism. today's athlete is simply too litt thrilled, too -- they have it too easy in order to be like a muhammad ali. maybe if times changed, we might
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see athletes willing to step up, but right now they're just too privileged. >> we once again are seeing some athletes from time to time. i know in my activism, some will still do something political. is that part of ali's legacy? >> that absolutely is part of ali's legacy. it is the most important part. i think when you say the greatest, and the greatest of all time, you can argue he wasn't the greatest boxer of all time. he certainly would be in everybody's top three to five, but some people might prefer sugar ray robinson, some may prefer joe louis or someone else. but when you add everything that comes to being a sports figure, and being an icon, unquestionably no one can touch muhammad ali. >> you write about ali's charisma and ability to command attention even in his later years. what struck you about that? >> what is really interesting to
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me, reverend al, i'm someone who is born in '78. i saw -- i was alive for his last four fights, three of which he lost because he held on to boxing too long. i have to go back and watch old videos and old footage to see what kind of athlete he was and to see the interviews with howard cosell and others to really understand the charisma. for me and people in my generation, our first real experience with ali will always be when he lit the olympic torch in '96 in atlanta. to see the tears in people's eyes, to see the tears in my parent's eyes and then to understand, you know, i was 18 at the time, and i thought i knew muhammad ali. and i said, you know, i need to go back and really need to understand exactly who he is, and to understand why that provoked people to tears. and i think that is where, you
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know, there is this divide between -- there is this bold guy who came on to the scene in his 20s. and then he had his opportunities to really express his view s on the world and the came the guy later in life, parkinson's took over, as he lost his voice, as people really started to understand and digest all that he had done, and his iconic status, just like it multiplied from year to year to year. >> jerry brewer, thank you for your time and sharing with us this morning. >> anytime. >> ahead, we turn to a 2016 politics and a big day in the democratic primary with voting in puerto rico. i'll talk to sanders supporter actor danny glover. and later, more on muhammad ali and his lasting impact as an activist. stay with us. ? people miracles, people
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voters in puerto rico head to the polls today. and there are 60 delegates up for grabs could push clinton to the brink of clinching the democratic nomination. even before the last big day of voting on tuesday. the major question this morning, will it end the primary battle paving the way for the fight against donald trump or will in voting in six states including the big one california fuel sanders campaign? last night, he insisted the fight is going all the way to
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philadelphia. >> at the end of the nominating process, no candidate will have enough pledged delegates to call the campaign a victory. they will be dependent upon super delegates. in other words, the democratic national convention will be a contested convention. >> msnbc's tony decopo is live in san juan, puerto rico, where those delegates are up for grabs today. tony, what do voters there want to see happen with the democratic ticket? >> good morning, reverend al. so voters in puerto rico cannot vote for president directly there, excluded from the november election, but they can shape the outcome in the primary stage. they voted for marco rubio on
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the republican side back in march and today it is that crucial choice between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. voters are lining up behind us. the polls open ten minutes ago. just before the polls open, we had election workers come in and verify that all the voting machines were working, completely in sync and no irregularities, but the bernie sanders camp is upset with the process here today because they noted a steep decline in the number of polling locations. back in 2008, when it was obama v. clinton, there were more than 2,000 locations for people to cast their vote. as of may! university last month, there were 1500 available, but slashed that down to about 430. that's all about budgetary cuts, but the sanders people say this is a lot like arizona where there was a reduction, this is voter suppression, it will alter the outcome. talking to voters here, it doesn't seem that is true . hillary clinton has very strong support among the puerto rican people. she dominated in new york, dominated in florida, these are american states with the highest
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number of puerto ricans and her policies are also attractive not a clinton supporter there, but overall, her policies are attractive to a majority of puerto ricans. it would appear, on the debt question this is the key policy issue on the island now, the american congress is depating whether to -- bernie sanders, complicated reasons having to do with his own opposition to big banks and federal reserve does not support that bailout, that rescue. and the details can get lost. as a result, the people here casting their ballot, they like clinton because she's the one that is going to save puerto rico. >> tony in san juan, thank you so much this morning. throughout the campaign, one of sanders most high profile supporters has been actor and activist danny glover. >> wherever when he loe look at
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history for bernie sanders, we know he's been on the compass for justice. >> let me give a special thanks to a good friend of mine and within of the great actors in our country, danny glover. >> joining me now is danny glover. thank you for being here this morning, danny. >> all right then. thank you. >> first, let's ask the obvious question, why does sanders get your support instead of clinton. >> well, first of all, bernie sanders has been on the right side of justice and the fight for justice his entire career. i've had the opportunity to watch him engage people, and talk about the issues that affect them in everyday lives. and certainly his message is really a message that is time worn in terms of democracy, demos, ordinary people participating in their lives and using their lives as a platform
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to participate in politics as well. i think that's what's happening here. we're in the midst of an enormous transition, i believe, within the political system. a stagnant political system that only meets the needs of a few and now we have this extraordinary movement or challenge to that right now. and that's what that bernie sanders represents. he represents the message, not the personality. sanders wins california, let's say, on tuesday. should sanders go on, go all the way to the convention or should he try to unite and stop donald trump? >> i think it is important. there is 64% of those people polled under the age of 25 say sanders should stay until the end. the people's voices here right
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now, it is obvious. those who registered as democrats say that he should stay until the end and take it the convention. >> he has gotten -- we talk about the people's say, he's gotten 3 million less votes. let me ask you this, if she wins the nomination, whether he goes all the way or not, and it is hillary clinton against donald trump, will you support and vote for hillary clinton? >> absolutely. absolutely. our objective is to defeat donald trump. but we believe the best chance of defeating donald trump is bernie sanders. >> now, what do you say to those that say sanders is hurting hillary clinton? >> as bernie sanders popularity grows, it certainly draws a challenge to what is really happening and what are the real issues in this election. i think the part that bernie sanders plays in this, let's say it, is simply the message that
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he brings to the polation. and maybe that expectations of what we think governor ans should be and what our responsibility as those who are governed changes in this process as well. >> let me ask you something that was interesting to me. why hasn't bernie sanders resonated equally with african-american and latino voters including young voters. the washington post, look at this graph, the washington post did accumulation of voters, votes, not polls. when you look at the millennials, clinton gets 47%, sanders, 52%. he's only 5% higher than the millennials and the young voters, 30 to 44, she gets 70%. he only gets 29. as you get older, even gets worse. even among young black voters he's not resonating like other
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young voters. what do you think the reason is for that? >> sanders has been in the race for a very short period of time. most people say he should have gotten into the race earlier. but i think part of that is with familiarity. i think once you begin to hear the message that bernie brings to the table, the talk about participatory democracy and the way he talks about participatory democracy, we have another way of building consensus. this is more than just an election itself. this is for the soul of this country. >> how do you view donald trump? what goes through your mind when you watch donald trump? >> donald trump is a very dangerous person. i mean, for this country. i mean, he's very dangerous. and make no mistake about his demagoguery, racial demagoguery, his attitude toward women, we have a supreme court, maybe as
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many as three justices will be chosen on this supreme court. so i think that donald trump is certainly someone that is very dangerous, i think that as i said before, the candidate i believe that has the best chance to defeat donald trump and the polls show that as well is bernie sanders. >> well, thank you for being with us this morning. danny glover, thank you for your time. >> thank you. you're welcome. coming back, we will turn to muhammad ali, focusing on his impact outside of the ring. on culture and politics. including his anti-war activism. stay with us. i'm terrible at golf.
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very few athletes are known as the greatest in their sport or in their time. but when you say the greatest of all time is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. it is quite a claim to make. but as muhammad ali once said, it is not bragging if you can back it up. and this man backed it up. >> the champ honored at the white house in 2005. but 40 years earlier, the united states government was trying to put him in prison. in 1967, muhammad ali refused to be drafted to fight in the vietnam war. claiming status as a conscientious objector. he was stripped of his title, arrested and sentenced to five years in prison. a sentence later overturned.
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he became a symbol for the anti-war movement, famously saying, quote, i ain't got no -- with the vietcong. >> there aren't very many that protested the draft. did you think you're setting an example that perhaps some of them -- >> i'm not out to set no example for nobody to follow. i'm a muslim. i'm with 600 more million who believe the same as me. i'm just sticking to my religious beliefs and the holy koran which was there before -- long before i was thought about coming into this world. i'm just following my religious beliefs. i'm not advising them or telling them nothing to do. i'm just following my religious beliefs to the death, if i day right now. whatever happens will be the will of allah. many parts of the world, people are protesting. but still, i mean, i don't rely
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on that. i rely totally on allah, the lord of the world. >> just how far would you go to keep from taking up arms? >> i'll die. yes. anything that is against my religious beliefs i would rather face machine gunfire before deviating from the teachings of almighty god and islam, i will die. >> you wouldn't die, you would go to jail. >> i'm not saying where i would go. i'm letting you know i'm going to stick 1,000% to my religious beliefs even if it means die. >> joining me now is khalil jibron mohamed, director of schaumburg center for research in black culture. he is the great grandson from elijah muhammad from the nation of islam, a key part of the champ's activism in the '60.
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thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what impact did ali's anti-war stand have on that time? at that time? >> it was absolutely critical to the formation of people's hard felt beliefs that the nation had made a huge mistake. that it was in the wrong fight. those young people, white, black, asian on the east coast and west coast, were fundamentally committed to challenging the wisdom of that war. it was certainly the reason that lyndon lyndon baines johnson did not seek a second term as president of the united states. it unleashed fundamentally a series of cataclysmic changes on college campuses. when he was giving those rourkes, he was talking about his religious beliefs, hes would also saying the real enemy of my
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people is here in america. >> i think people don't realize how controversial and despised he was at that time. i was a kid growing up, i got to know and work with him later as i got in my teens, i was a kid, wasn't even a teenager when he took that stand. i remember how people would literally say that the ugliest things, people would pay to go to his fights and want to see him beaten and now he's become this beloved figure. how do you interpret what happened. just before his time. >> he was before his time, but also part of a generational coho cohort. if you think about the age of muhammad ali, died at 74, born in 1942, he's two years younger than john louis, john louis at almost the same moment that muhammad ali is rising up the ranks as an amateur boxer is shedding his ties to troy alabama, moving to nashville,
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tennessee, so he can become a freedom rider and join the movement. for young men and women, like diane nash of that generation, they really were breaking away from the generational practices of -- the old attitudes. so when he talked about liston or terrell as uncle toms, what he was talking about were black people who settled to the status quo. >> he was part of that generation that was going another way, in various manifestations. you mentioned liston, i want to show you something where right after the sonny liston fight where he first was -- first time he won the title, talked about how pretty he was. watch this. >> he wanted to go to heaven, so i took him in seven. you took him in seven. i'm the king of the world. i'm proceed. >> hold it, hold it, hold it. you're not that pretty. >> this was also at a time where we were seeing the developing of the black is beautiful movement.
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>> it is a great clip for that. he comes out of the garvey movement, an expression of self-pride and expression of self-knowledge, a commitment to black people as whole human beings. this was picked up in islam. and when he becomes a member of the nation in 1964, right on the heels of the liston fight and close friend and confidant of malcolm x, he's part of the flowering blackness on a stage that here to forehad ntofore ha transcended. >> thank you for your time this morning and your insight. >> thank you for having me. just ahead, we'll dive back into 2016 politics. specifically the increasingly nasty war of words between hillary clinton and donald
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hillary clinton is fighting a two front battle as primary season comes to a close. still dealing with bernie sanders, but also unloading a much tougher series of attacks on donald trump. >> bragging, mocking, composing nasty tweets, a series of bizarre rants, feuds and outright lies. do we want his finger anywhere near the button? he is not just unprepared, he is temperamentally unfit. this is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes. this isn't reality television. this is actual reality. >> nbc's hallie jackson joins us from washington this morning.
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hallie, is this a preview of the next five months and how is trump responding to this? >> well, yeah, it is absolutely a preview of the next five months. you can say even though hillary clinton is not yet the presumptive democratic nominee, just the likely nominee, this is what we'll see through november. you've seen it from clinton more and more in the last week or so. she appears to be relishing the opportunity to go after trump, donald trump in a very direct and very engaged way. you saw it earlier this week at the speech in san diego, a foreign policy speech, but she really hit him hard on his qualifications to be commander in chief. trump, for his part, is taking it to hillary clinton, he's talking about her e-mail scandals, this week said she was guilty as hell. he reiterated that, reiterated his vow to have his attorney general investigate her again if he were to become the president. so this is where the race is headed. we already have seen it. and there is no sign at this point that that's going to change. >> if she clinches this, how does this affect the fight?
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>> i don't know that it will, frankly. i think that donald trump sees hillary clinton as his most likely opponent. what you see from him on the campaign trail are discussions about bernie sanders in the sense of, hey, bernie sanders is giving him good lines. that is a concern for the democrats as well, the longer sanders stays in this race, the more opportunities he gives donald trump to be able to point to sanders during his campaigning. but i think that even if she clinches, you know what you already have seen from donald trump and his campaign, privately and publicly, saying, hey, we have gotten the nomination, donald trump's team says they have gotten the nomination prior to hillary clinton clinching hers and before the contest in california on tuesday. so if she does lock it up tuesday, i'm not sure you're going to see much of a change in tone from either candidate. >> thank you so much. joining me now is congresswoman linda sanchez. democrat from california, who also chairs the hispanic caucus. she has endorsed mrs. clinton.
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thank you for being here, congresswoman. >> thank you for having me. >> it is neck and neck in california. how critical is it that clinton wins this state of california on tuesday? >> i think hilla clion will win the state of california on tuesday and i think she'll do it by a comfortable margin. not sure i agree that the polls that is out there is accurate. the sense i get from traveling all over the state and campaigning with other candidates is that there is a lot of support for hillary clinton and i think on tuesday she clinches the nomination. >> now, you know, there has been a lot of talk about super delegates. you're a super delegate. the sanders campaign and senator sanders himself has said they're going after the super delegates to change their minds, those that have said they're with secretary clinton. do you see that happening? >> the important thing to remember is that even if you look at the current, you know,
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current lead that secretary clinton enjoys over sanders, mathematically it is nearly impossible for senator sanders to catch her. and that's whether you include super delegates or not in the calculus. i think under any scenario, she is going to clinch the nomination on tuesday and she's going to be the democratic nominee. >> you talked about polls. nbc news polls has the latino vote in your state almost tied, 49 to 46 with senator sanders up three points within the margin of error. does that surprise you? >> that polling surprises me because speaking for the district i represent, the support is pretty overwhelming for senator clinton and i know that senator sanders tends to have an appeal with younger voters, the question becomes who are the likely voters and who is going to turn out on tuesday. and i think if you look historically, the group of people least likely to vote
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unfortunately are 18 to 25-year-olds. and so he may enjoy support among the group, whether or not they turn out and physically cast a vote for him remains to be seen. >> this week, secretary clinton launched one of her harshest attacks on donald trump, went after him in her foreign policy speech. does she have to find the balance of how she does that so that she doesn't risk -- seeming to go to his level as some would say, or should she fight fire with fire as i and others said she has to be ready for a street fight here? >> secretary clinton is feisty. when she's in the right, i think she absolutely has every right to defend her ground and to level the kind of criticism against somebody who is clearly unqualified to be president of the united states. donald trump has no foreign relations experience, he has no
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diplomatic experience. he has no national security experience. he's clearly not qualified to hold the office of president of the united states. i think that the more that secretary clinton highlights that, i think the more that american public is going to understand there is no way this man should be sitting in the white house. >> congresswoman linda sanchez, thank you for your time this morning. >> what a pleasure to be with you, thank you. coming up, our visit to brooklyn, talking to spike lee and others about muhammad ali. and what the boxer meant to his fans. both in and out of the ring. >> i like to know what you're going to do when you retire from box i boxing. >> i think -- i think he's probably taking the last count for the moment. i'll do my best to wake him up. >> sleep.
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if we study the qualities of the heart, we'll find that the heart quality is a loving quality. it becomes the loving manner, the manner of god himself, and all such attributes of greatness, tolerance, compassion, mercy, spring from the heart. >> muhammad ali was always beloved in the community. we decided to do something a little different from what you've been seeing in all the news reports of his death. on saturday, spike lee was having a block party in brooklyn, originally set up as a birthday tribute to prince. but, of course, muhammad ali was on the minds of people there as well. we went down there and caught up with spike and basketball star john sali and other folks in the street and talked to them about
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what the champ meant to them. >> what does it mean to you to come back to the streets of brooklyn where both -- >> had no idea that we're doing this day for prince, that there would also be room for muhammad ali, the greatest of all time. >> ledge end, definitely an iconic figure for the community, for african-american people, for the sport of boxing. >> muhammad ali was definitely my hero, besides my father. i got to meet my hero and he heard all the things i said over the year and grabbed me close and kissed me on my cheek and i literally cried on television. >> a great loss. >> he was the greatest. north, east, south and west, he's the greatest. i'm going to miss him. god bless his soul. i'm going to miss muhammad ali. he came a long way for his people. >> this is how we do it in
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brooklyn, right here. to the camera. >> we're going to make you big. go ahead. >> we said, i'm not going to go to vietnam war, no vietnam person ever call me -- that was powerful to me. the man exemplified courage. he gave away his prime years, his prime years because he did not want to participate in the vietnam war. >> whatever his beliefs were, he stood up for it. >> my favorite plays are the ones who are loud. muhammad ali was the first athlete we saw on television do that. talk about his looks, talk about how beautiful black people are, how it's natural. >> the reason i grabbed this brother is because you and i were little brothers looking at guys like ali and it made and
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inspired us. >> many brooklyn, new york. >> back here on the block. >> on the block. >> all right. thank you, spike. >> thank you. peace. >> peace. that was something muhammad ali was all about for his whole life. when we come back, my parting thoughts on my friend. & in a world held back by compromise, businesses need the agility to do one thing & another. only at&t has the network, people, and partners to help companies be... local & global. open & secure. because no one knows & like at&t.
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finally, a few words on the passing of my friend, muhammad ali. i knew the champ for four decades. he was one of the funniest people i've ever met. he could goof around like nobody else. and he was always willing to help out the younger generation. way back in 1981, muhammad ali and james brown brought me on to the national tv show, talk show circuit, to talk about problems facing the youth. i was just in my 20s.
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but learning from with two of t greatest. >> joining us is the reverend al sharpton. i would like to ask you about this young man, how you came to meet him and what the national youth movement when he represents is all about. >> the idea is it try to mold them. what we mold them to be is what it would be later on. >> they go to school, they learn. >> we're saying you may not reach the plateau of public prominence, but if you can reach the personal discipline and motivation of them you can reach a plateau in your life. >> muhammad ali believed in spreading love and joy all over the world. but he also directly helped the generation behind him. and i remember one of our board members said to me, you know, cam newton, the star
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quarterback, a great fan. he said, can you get his wife lonny to surprise him with a birthday card. and it would mean a lot to him since ali is sick, but that his wife, who was -- i pay tribute to her, she took care of ali, i called her, she said, sure, we'll do it i'd be glad to do it. she gave me the time, i called her, i connected cam newton and surprised him and said happy birthday, it is reverend al. i have mrs. muhammad ali on phone. he says, really? for me? she came on and lonny said happy birthday, but hold on and we heard mumbling. man, you almost as pretty as me. muhammad ali, even in his illness, just a couple of years ago, still inspiring people, younger than him, older than him, all over the world. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next sunday. god bless you and yours and god bless muhammad ali.
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