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one. but our nbc political unit has these eight people as the top potential picks for trump. each with their own strengths and weaknesses. engineer govern new jersey governor chris christie, trump's first endorser, but the shadow of the bridgegate scandal could dog him. rick scott was a businessman turned politician, but some is parts of his business career could yield plenty of scrutiny. mary o'fallon could help him, being a woman on the ticket, but she's relatively unknown outside her state. on the senate side, tennessee's bob corker is a well respected foreign policy voice, but he's been critical of trump's muslim ban and of his comments about that judge who is deciding the trump university case. alabama's jeff sessions checks all of trump's boxes on immigration. doubling down on the hardline could cost the republicans even more latino voters.

south dakota's john thun is the number three leader in the senate would give trump an inside voice, but he also goes against trump's anti-washington message. new hampshire's kelly ajot would get trump a young, female senator from a swing state, but that would probably cost the republicans her hotly contested senate seat. she's also called on trump to retract his comments about judge curiel and muslim judges. then there's new gingrich, a known brand in his own right, but he could limit trump's ability to attack hillary clinton on bill clinton's sex scandals, given gingrich's own past. plus gingrich called trump's comments about judge curiel inexcusable this weekend. although after trump deemed his kritism inappropriate, gingrich walked his comments back a little bit. those are just a few potential running mates for trump. it's not the only drama they're

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as we discussed at the top of the show, things could get messy in the democratic primary, and donald trump has been gifted with a dream scenario that was unthinkable just a month ago, he has a big head start when it comes to the general election. we've largely seen republicans falling in line behind trump since he became the presumptive republican nominee, despite serious reservations many of them have about his temperament and his campaign, but that loyalty is now being second half stressed and possibly to its breaking point. we also have new reporting from nbc news that trump's campaign infrastructure is in tatters. this has been a dizzying 72 hours for trump. his own supporters, including house speaker paul ryan, former speaker newt gingrich, as a possible trump vp pick, senator pob corker, as well as senate majority leader mitch mcconnell,

even trump's own adviser, ben carson, all of them condemning trump for attacking federal judge gonzalo curiel. trump says the judge is unfit to over see the trump university court case because of the judge's mexican heritage. here's gingrich. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. this judge was born in indiana. he is an american. period. if a liberal were to attack justice clarence thomas on the grounds that he's black, we would all go crazy. every conservative would say it was wrong and it was racism. >> now trump responded to that today, slamming gingrich's comments as inappropriate. gingrich has significantly softened his criticism now, telling "the washington post" that trump's complaints about the judge and the law firm in the trump university case are valid and reflect a growing pattern of politicized justice. today trump's own adviser ben

carson put out this scathing statement on social media. we should note that nbc news has been told this is a direct response to trump's comments on judge curiel. quote, every human being is an individual first rather than a member of an identity group. the moment we forget that is the moment we enter into a phase of moral descent. reaction kept pouring in today. senator ben sass called trump's comments the literal definition of racism. john kasich is calling on trump to apologipolapologize to the j. kelly ayotte is calling his comments wrong. marco rubio is calling the comments very disturbed. ted cruz joined the chorus, saying it's inappropriate to attack a judge's race or ethnicity. moments ago, bloomberg news

reporting that trump is ordering his surrogates to double down on his criticism of the judge, despite an apparent campaign directive to stop talking about it. they reported that trump rallied his most visible supporters to defend his attacks on a federal judge's mexican ancestry during a conference call on monday, at which he ordered them to question the judge's credibility and impune reporters as racists. we have a trio of trump gurus with us now. katy tur, and ben ginsburg, a republican deal maker and elections lawyer. both rick and ben are political analysts for nbc news and msnbc. katy tur, let's start with you. we've seen the reaction here from republicans over the last couple days. but now this report that trump, instead of backing off, he's telling people around him, go even harder on this? >> reporter: you know, i haven't

seen this sort of combined, this crescendo of criticism since, i think, the muslim ban going against donald trump. he's been edging towards republican party unity, relatively successfully. this is a major step backward in that arena. but donald trump's is, as you said, not backing down. i don't think we can call it a doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down. it's more than that. he's telling his surrogates to actively go out there, defend his remarks on the judge and call the reporters who are questioning him racists themselves, which is another step further in this saga, if you will. i've been talking to multiple sources both inside the campaign and working closely with the campaign. i'm told there's a lot of dissent over this judge attack in the campaign. they believe this is not the right idea, not the way to go. it's only going to alienate

latinooters even more. they realize -- aides in the campaign realize they do have a problem with latino voters, they do have a gap that they're going to need to overcome. the candidate, though, refusing to acknowledge that. people accounted of the campaign, but working closely with the campaign, say they believed donald trump was going to back off this, they were assured he would back off this since last friday when he taped those interviews. they were cautious about it, because donald trump often changes his mind. and this is another example of him changing his mind. steve? >> katy tur, this is obviously something that has put a lot of republicans, particularly those who have endorsed trump in recent days, like paul ryan, in a very uncomfortable position. how uncomfortable? the question they were all asked this weekend on the interview shows, was, are these comments racist? look at them trying to field this question. >> do you consider what he did here racism? >> i think that it was a mistake. i think that -- i hope it was

sloppiness. >> he says that when he questions whether the judge can be fair because of his mexican heritage, that is not racist. do you agree? >> look, i don't condone the comments and we can press on to another topic. >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like that. >> is it a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with what he had to say. >> do you think it's a racist statement? >> i don't agree with what he had to say. >> ben ginsburg, what's the advice here to republicans who, in this position, like mitch mcconnell, like the republicans we're seeing there, is that enough? do you have to answer that question? >> well, yeah, you probably have to answer the question on some level. but it seems to me the advice is more that this is not the subject, that if you want to defeat hillary clinton in the fall, you should be talking about. you should be talking about the fact that she can't defeat bernie sanders. you should be talking about the i.g. report.

but overall, the leadership of the republican party is going to follow their own moral compass and to raise an issue like this, does raise some dissent at a time when you do want the party to come together. >> and i'm just curious, what your assessment is, watching the fact that donald trump could go in the direction you just outlined there, strategically and instead not only has waded into this water, but is now apparently, according to this report, wants to go even farther. what does that tell you about donald trump and his campaign? >> well, it tells me that he has a vision for how he's going to do things. he's not going to listen to the leadership of the republican party. but then again, that's the campaign that let him defeat 16 people in the primary and get to the point he is today as the nominee of the party. >> rick tyler, you work for ted cruz, know him well. he's one of those people who has not been out there so far publicly endorsing, aligning

with donald trump. is he sitting back and saying, i made a smart move right now? >> i'm not sure about that. ted cruz is going to endorse or not endorse. my suspicion is that he won't endorse. i think donald trump carried the campaign too far, attacking ted cruz. but steve, this speaks to an underlying structural problem in the campaign, you can't have a campaign that relies on the utterances of the candidate from day to day. i get that the candidate is in charge of the campaign. but look at all the opportunities they're missing. you had the jobs report, the i.g. report. you could have a coms team driving those messages which the media is reporting on expanding on those. hillary clinton and a dismal jobs report, 38,000 jobs reported, or the i.g. report that she mishandled classified information. instead of talking about that, we're talking about a judge that nobody cares about. that's a problem in the campaign

that the campaign seems to be in some sort of paralysis, that no one's able to act. now they did hire jim murphy, that's a good sign. but jim has got to be able to operate the coms team and be able to control it and not being able to have everybody second-guess him or veto him. what do you do, you wake up and say, this jobs report, what are we going to say about it, i don't know, what about that judge in indiana. this is not going well and they've got to fix this fast. >> katy, you have some reporting on this, the state of the trump campaign, the infrastructure, or the lack of infrastructure. rick is outlining some practical things that could be different with more of an infrastructure in place. but at a certain point, if donald trump wants to go down this road, does it even matter what kind of infrastructure he has? >> reporter: he didn't get this far without having infrastructure. people do acknowledge that he has an unprecedented ability to

drive a message. but going into the general election, it's much different than going up against his republican primary rivals. hillary clinton has a machine behind her, and we saw this after her foreign policy speech and we saw it when donald trump says something potentially they can use to their advantage. they flood the zone when it comes to their talking points. behind the scenes, they don't have a communications team. they have hopeex and cory lewandowski. that's their communications team. and often times, the message to surrogates can get diluted. i'm told the rnc is giving talking points to surrogates. i'm told the campaign is giving talking points to surrogates. then i'm told nobody is giving talking points to surrogates. there doesn't seem to be a cohesive list as to who the surrogates are. they don't have a cohesive message. if you believe the bloomberg report that's just come out,

donald trump is going to try to get on the phone with his surrogates once a week. in that report, he said he wants them to toss out whatever the campaign talking points they might have gotten, toss them out and instead start going after the judge in this trump u. case and going after the reporters, despite the fact that the talking points said to do the opposite. >> thank you all for joining us. appreciate that. and still ahead, from an outspoken, anti-war activist, to a medal of freedom recipient, we'll take a look at the mark muhammad ali left on american presidents in the political ring. stay tuned. as you'lsee, when shoppers add iteto theijet carts, they automatically shrink the prices of millions of other products. very impressive. whoo, 's got a little kick to it. sorry, i can't hear you??

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it is beyond an understatement to say that muhammad ali was a singular figure in the sports and political histories of this country. his professional boxing career stretched from just before the 1960 election between kennedy and nixon to the first year of the reagan presidency. in all, 11 presidents were in office from the time he turned pro, to his death on friday. ali first became the world heavyweight champion in 1964. that was the year when lbj was president, one of the years. the late '60s and early '70s were marked by ali's very public refusal to be drafted for vietnam, in a supreme court decision that ultimately led him return to boxing. in his first visit to the white house, that came in 1974, when gerald ford invited ali for a visit after he defeated george foreman in the rumble in the jungle. several years later, jimmy carter enlisted ali to be a

global ambassador, trying to encourage other countries to join the united states and boycott the moscow summer olympics in 1980. then in 1984, after backing jesse jackson for the democratic presidential nomination, ali actually endorsed ronald reagan's re-election bid. he even appeared in roadside bill boards for the president. baby boomer bill clinton was the first person elected president who came of age during ali's rise to the world stage. here's his reaction to ali's death this weekend. >> when i was a boy, and i saw him box the first time, i thought, you know, we're looking at something we may never see again. i mean, he was like golden state on the basketball court. it was like watching somebody, you couldn't decide, is this guy a boxer or a ballerina. the way he moved, the speed, the grace, the power.

i knew it was something magical. >> george w. bush awarded ali the medal of freedom in 2005. he noted then how he had become a global figure. >> across the world, billions of people know muhammad ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man. and the american people are proud to call muhammad ali one of our own. >> in 2006, then senator barack obama paid respect to ali at the muhammad ali center. ali later attended obama's first inauguration. president obama offered a tribute to him on his 70th birthday in 2012. >> as a fighter, you were something spectacular. you shocked the world. and you inspired it too. >> for his part, ali weighed in on the current presidential race back in december, with a statement in the wake of donald trump's proposed bans on muslims entering the united states. saying it was not directed at

trump and that, quote, we as muslims have to stand up to those who use islam to advance their own personal agenda. they have alienated many from learning about islam. true muslims know or should know that it goes against our religion to try and force islam on anybody. ali's influence in america politics and presidents will surely extend for a long time to come. listen to chuck's exchange with football and civil rights legend and friend of ali's, jim brown, on sunday's "meet the press." >> in many ways, you and muhammad ali were attached at the hip at those tumultuous times, and in many ways, supported each other during times when you'd be attacked by the media, you'd be attacked by political leaders. >> that's absolutely true. but the greatest thing about muhammad ali is that he represented himself as a great american, because americans will

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look, i continue to have strong disagreements with him on a bunch of issues i do not agree with, and quite frankly i'm very disturbed by the way he keeps referring to this judge, an american, born in indiana, who he continues to raise issues i doing. that but, that's what the voters -- there is the choice the voters have given us to this prime airy. we'll see what happens. >> marco rubio this afternoon talking with reporters about donald trump's attack on that federal judge who overseeing the trump university lawsuits and time now for "the lid." our panel joins us. they're not going to be using that marco rubio dplip a trump ad. i know. that he is sticking by the line, i've made a commitment. he is very uncomfortable and uncomfortable before trump went after the judge here. nick, it raises the question, what would it take for donald

trump to lose the republican sport he has right now? if somebody like rubio is looking at this and saying i'm there, what would it take to actually dislodge them? >> as trump once put it, i think he'd have to walk on fifth avenue and kill somebody. i think that the elevation of party loyalty on both sides to some degree, but it's become the most defining principle in american politics that it forgives almost anything else. i think you're going to see variations of that clip from candidate after candidate, party leader over and over again. they decide they can't stand against their own party. the voters did pick donald trump. >> it seems the statement like rubio are unwilling to know and they know are you saying he would rather have hillary clinton be president than donald trump? they don't seem to want to say yes to.

that. >> yeah. that's why paul ryan said he was upset about there attack against the judge as well. multiple republican leads have come out very strongly against this. i think rubio is doing this for his own self-preservation. also, if he decides to run in florida, you know, trump is very popular. there so that's part of it. but i will take issue and say i think it is more fluid for the next generation, for millennials in particular. that's why the campaigns, clinton and trump have had trouble getting people to work on the campaigns. people of my generation, we're very upset. we don't have attachment to the d or r. we're more concerned about the candidate. and right now donald trump doesn't speak to me at all. i would rather vote for gary johnson. >> he is speaking to somebody though. we see his campaign and we have this report this afternoon, he still thinks this is something he wants to pursue. he's telling his campaign, go harder after this judge. go after anybody who criticizes you on this. who do you see -- i mean you're a democrat. you don't want limb to win. but you look at the political

playing field, when he thinks there there san opening, who he is talking to? >> i think he's speaking to the people. he's speaking and saying what the people want to hear. but nobody in my circle talks like that about people of color, about mexicans. they certainly know lawyers that i know would not talk that way about a judge sitting, hearing a case. so i'm -- while i do believe that there are folks that he is given a voice, to people that perhaps we didn't think were still around, people that maybe we didn't want to believe were still here and believe the way that they do, he certainly has given them a voice. but i want to be able to in some ways separate the -- this anger and this fear that he's playing on as opposed to what i think is real anxiety about economic issues. somehow he's found a way could con flat the. two i think it will be incumbent to separate that. i think the fact that you have a paul ryan and mitch mcconnell even who are very tepid in their support of him, i think they're sort of doing the job for us in

a way and saying, yeah, we're going to support him because he's part of our party. but there are a lot of things he's saying and things he's proposing that we just don't stand for. >> courts and reporters, judges and reporters are not always revered figures on the right. so i think he's hoping to tap into a latent mistrust. this is not a judge ruling on abortion or gay marriage. his ruling on trump's own civil case. >> yeah. and again, there are republican vote voices saying, buddy, you're on your own on this one. that reaction from gingrich tlashgs is something too. this he will consequent denunciation yesterday and then today. valid point, actually. complete reversal. >> and also, he was appointed by arnold schwarzenegger in san diego before he assumed the federal bunch. donald trump is saying he's an obama appointee. he is a bipartisan appointee. i think he's not speaking for

the rising generation at all. i just -- i think if the republicans want to be smart, they should completely distance themselves in this election. >> let me get to the democratic race. i want to talk about thissish would you bernie sanders, what he does after tomorrow. we got the clinton campaign. they're out there saying bernie sanders, once the final votes are cast, it's time to unite. we expect you to do the same thing that hillary clinton did eight years ago. what if bernie sanders doesn't do that? >> it's going to be difficult. i have no qualms about saying. that it will be very difficult. it will be difficult not just on the presidential level but all the ballot race that's we care about. we need to continue to energize voters to come out. he has to make the same speech that's hillary clinton played in 2008. i worked as hard as you worked for me the now it's time to work for the ticket. >> but does he feel that kind of loyalty? hillary clin ultimately, she was a -- clinton ultimately was a career long democrat in 2008. bernie sanders has been an

independent. >> i take this position. i don't think there is this great position with the democratic party that people are renunsing democratic politics. i still think they believe it in. a lot of bernie supporters believe in democratic party politics and believe in a platform. i think that they will ultimately go in and support hillary clinton. i think large -- he largely needs to change the narrative. a lot of it rests on his shoulders. >> all right. thank you for joining us in the lid. more to come from mtv daily right after. this nexium 24 hour

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