you actually see dodd frank replaced and replaced with the financial choice act. >> thanks for watching. we'll see you tomorrow. >> will bernie quit? let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. tonight hillary clinton is on the cusp of winning the democratic nomination and president obama is ready to join letter in the fight against trump. after beating bernie sanders in puerto rico, clin dmou needs 19 delegates to reach the magic number which she's expected to. when they report the results early tuesday evening. that is tomorrow. clinton's latest fund-raising e-mail seize clinton is away

from become the first ever woman to become the presidential nam kn nominee of a major political party. and neither candidate is taking that state for granted. the looping question which overshadows the entire democratic race at this point is what will bernie do after california votes on tuesday night. they're going to greasively campaign for hillary clinton starting with a form allen dorsment as early as this week. andrea mitchell further reports that president obama spoke to bernie sanders this weekend to try to mediate a truce and avoid conflict at the convention this summer. today secretary clinton appeared confident she would soon prevail over sanders but she stopped short of calling for him to concede. >> i will have more than three million more than bernie sanders.

i'll have a substantial lead in pledged delegates. super delegates have always followed the will of the voters. i expect them to do the same this time. >> do you think he should concede? >> well, we'll wait. we'll wait and find out. tomorrow is eight years to the day after i withdrew and endorsed senator obama. i thought it was the right thing to do. they paeld in comparison the difference wez had with the republicans. andrea mitchell will be us with in a few minutes. you're having the year of your career by the way. you are the man of the hour. let's ask. this i'll ask directly. your story is saying that president wants to endorse as early as this week. is that a way to muscle sand erdz out of the race to get that word out through you? how would they put it out that president wants to endorse the

guy in the race? >> i think part of it is just an acknowledgement of reality. it goes to what senator clinton said. everyone in the white house and in the hillary clinton campaign understand that's the numbers are she's going to lock this up as of tomorrow. >> what if he's like the guy trying to get out of the chute in the rodeo? he's dying to get into this rodeo. >> he is so eager to get into the fight. i think they have been trying to -- they said even today at the white house, they don't want to do anything until this is over. >> you said adds early as this week. and i think what he says and it's too be clear, they didn't specifically say it was going to happen this week. they said it could happen as early as this week. everything points to the fact that as of tomorrow, she will have a the delegates. >> they put that up for a reason.

this whole question about the message. and he is bucking in that chute. he wants to endorse hillary. what does he sty sanders on the phone? >> my understand signature was a pretty blunt but an understanding call. he doesn't want to muscle him, if you will. he knows how hard it is to lose. but the reality is the reality. math is the math. it's not going to change. and there's a need for party unity. and clearly, he sleting him know, giving him a heads up that he's going tone dors her. sooner rather than later. and apparent think was quite a somber reaction. sanders was with his wife, children, grandchildren, going santa monica pier to the amusement park, rides in the middle of many campaign stops. this was on sunday. and took the call and then it was a pretty tough reaction. it's very hard to lose these races as hillary clinton knows

better than anyone. and she was closer to barack obama eight years ago in delegates than brernie sanders is. there will be a big psychology cam impact on everyone if sanders wins california. and he very well may do that. and that will make it a lot harder to persuade limb to go to burrington and talk it over and go to his advisors principally his wife jane and decide how to take it from there. >> can you tell me who is fighting to say okay, wednesday morning we have a meeting in vermont. we say it's over. we figure out how to do it the best possible way or they say no, we're going to fight the next month. and the nomination still. who are the players on both sides of that fight? >> i think we noed that tad divine who has been in the bat brlz is saying you lost the nomination. you had incredible fight.

bigger than we ever thought. there are impacts you can have but you're not going to be the nominee. that say hard message for bernie sanders and maybe for jeff weaver who is going to be on the show. >> hold on. you introduced him well. >> wait. they're all sticking with us. we're joined about it sanders campaign manager. jeff weaver, can you -- you have really the ability to -- thanks for coming on always. zrou the ability to -- i know. you have to have the last word. here's your chance s this campaign reaching a point of decision tom the morning after the california fight? >> well, this campaign is driven by bernie santers. at this point, he said he wants to take the fight all the way to the convention in philadelphia. and if that's his decision, we're -- i'm all in. >> what is the role of the president here in this regard? as you see it, from the campaign, for the senator's point of view, what is the role of president obama here? >> i think president obama has a great role to play in this whole

process. he is obviously, you know, the pending nominee in the party. the highest voice in the party. he certainly taking on trump in recent days. i think effectively. so president obama i think will be a huge voice in this race going forward. >> what about his voice saying he's for hillary? >> well, obviously the president has been very even handed throughout this process. and that's been greatly appreciated. the president obviously does what the president wants to do. just like bernie sanders does what he wants to do and hillary clinton does what she wants to do. the president certainly his own man and he'll decide when he wants to do what he wants to do. >> can you help us on the phone call this week? did he say he is still even handed or rooting for both candidates? did he tell the candidate he has to eventually support hillary at this? he made his call? which way was it on the phone call? >> i'll tell you what, i'm not a big one to repeat phone calls or meeting details. so i'm certainly not going to repeat what may or may not have gone on with a call with the president.

>> well, let's take a look. hold on. there take a look at what senator sander has said himself about the future of the campaign. on saturday, senator sanders predicted a contested convention. which is what jeff weaver said in philadelphia. will he's watch that. >> at the end of the nominating process, no candidates will have enough pledged delegates to kalt campaign a victory. they will be dependent upon super delegates. in other words, the democratic national convention will be a contested convention. >> today senator sanders suggested that there would be something of an an assessment period. here's what he said when asked if he would back clinton after the primaries? >> let me just talk you to after the primary here in california

where we hope to win. let's asaes where we are after tomorrow before we make statements based on speculation. >> "the wall street journal" reports that the campaign is divided over the future. a split he is merging inside the campaign whether the senator should stand down after tuesday's election contest. and united behind democratic front-runner hillary clinton. the debate within the campaign indicates that mr. sanders next move isn't settled. is that fair reporting or is it just something you'd rather not talk about? can you give us any reaction? >> i have to -- i'm laughing, chris. there is this theme in the media now. i'm getting calls about it. the great campaign split within the sanders organization, he and i were in a hotel lobby a couple hours ago laughing about it. i can't think of a substantive issue we agree on. we both think it is laughable. it is something that a one media person concocted and serve

repeating. it is very, very funny. >> is there a split between the people that -- tad divine a long time democrat. there is a structural difference between people that have a future in the democratic party and those would are always going to be independents. >> i think that's right. it doesn't mean there is a bitter devide. it means they have a different perspective on things. you know that some of the arguments you would traditionally make at this point do not aplichlt i bet he doesn't plan to run for president again. he's not actually a democrat. he is always an independent. i doesn't need hillary clin's help in retiring the campaign debt. you have to make other arguments to bernie sanders if you're going to speakpersuade him it's to stand down. this is important to barack obama because he wants a democrat to be elected tlachlt is important to his own legacy. why is he such a quenl president? because he got a third term. >> let's go back into the reporting this week. can you move forward from where

you were at 10. 306789 this morning? barack obama is bucking like a bull and wants to get into this fight on behalf of hillary clinton. >> i think what you can't underestimate is what andrea said a couple minutes ago which is that the thing that we couldn't get either the white house or the clinton campaign to give us a final answer on is how this is going to happen much it's going to happen. the question is how it's going to happen. and that really is still up in the air because they don't know the outcome of california. if bernie wins california, it makes it much harder and this draws out. and if he doesn't, if hillary clin wins new jersey and california, i think that sense we got is they will move quickly. >> there is nothing long with running. can you report further on the reaction of the sanders campaign to that call from the president? >> well, i know jeff would be a much better source on this.

but he's -- excuse me. >> if he were a reporter he would be. but he's not a reporter. he works for the sanders campaign. >> i know. i it this was very close. that's what we've been told. >> all right. let me go back to jeff with our little sidebar discussion here. we had tad on last night. he is the regular democrat. you're the independent. but both seems to be promising me. fine. i can never get it straight. independent democrat, slash democratic socialist, whatever it s let me ask you about the tax returns. you said on the show that you thought trump should show the returns. it is suspicious that he hasn't done. so you also said you would give me a date when senator sanders would release his tax returns over the last several decades. do you have a date yet? >> i don't, chris. i think we should follow the example of yourself when your wife was running for the congress in maryland. you didn't release any tax returns.

i don't think you're one in a position to talk about tax returns. >> i don't even know if we did release tax returns. i had nothing to do with the campaign. but i will check. i will check. i'll be glad to check. zblut you about know, that was certainly strange. i wasn't involved in that campaign. and you know it. at all, jeffrey. at all. >> i wasn't involved. i'm not even jane sanders here. thank you for. that i'll give it thought. i don't have any answer it to. i wasn't involved. thank you. thank you, andrea mitchell and susan page. thank you, jeff. well, no thank you, jeff weaver. coming up, the fight fortune ti in the democratic party after hillary clinton locks up the nomination, will bernie sanders listen to the voice of democrats who are calling for unity or will he go to the convention? we'll talk to two democratic members of the sna. one is a sanders supporter and one who supports clinton. plus, republicans are running for -- from donald trump after his racial comments about that judge in the trump university fraud case. and now trump is ordering his surrogates to get out and defend

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delegates. and so we'll take stock about where we are tomorrow. i'm going to do everything i can to unify democratic party and i certainly am going to be reaching out to senator sanders and hope he'll join me in. that we have to be unified going into the convention and coming out of the convention to take on donald trump. >> back to "hardball." hillary clinton wants the democratic party to unify after tomorrow night's contest. she expects bernie sanders to do his part in. that sanders vowed to take his fight to the democratic convention in philadelphia and actually contest the nomination on the role call. tonight sanders remained defiant in that tone. >> if i win tomorrow in california and if we do very well, i don't know that we will. we may. if we do well in other states, if there are super delegates out there who say, you know what? looking at the objective evidence of polling, looking at the objective evidence of who has the strongest grassroots

campaign and can bring out the larger voter turnout which i st think is crucial, i that i is not an intig fact. >> regardless of what happens tomorrow night is sanders close to ending his quest for the democratic nomination? joining me right now are two united states senators. senator chris murphy, a democrat from connecticut who backs hillary clinton and senator jeff merk from oregon supporting bernie sanders. you know what is going on more than senator murphy z you have access to the candidate who has to make the decision. all this talk about a paerd after ses -- this period of aassessmenaassess that mean he fights right to the snend. >> he said he's going to go back to vermont and assess. that's what we expect after the kbleegs

completion of the primaries. he is looking at the outcome and the biggest issues he championed in the campaign and the best way to take that forward. >> what does that mean? will he fight this to the roll call? >> that's why he's going to vermont. should clinton have as mathematically -- >> we're going to report tomorrow night. everybody knows this. some time after new jersey, secretary clinton has the requisite combination of super delegates and pledge delegates, one delegate to be the nominee. that's the game. >> so when that happens -- >> what else do do you when the game o over? >> this campaign is about a mission saying there are big issues, cash in politics, living wage jobs that we have to advance in a passionate fashion. i think that way that the campaigns carry on a discussion after tuesday is going to be about how you bring the party together and about how in doing so we position ourselves to aggressively take on the goals that have resonated so

infectively in the grassroots. >> so you're continuing the moral cause, the issues cause while recognizing hillary clinton want nomination? >> in my mind, once a candidate has the majority of the regular delegates and majority of the vote, that speaks for itself in terms of the nomination. >> you have told that to the senator's campaign? >> i think he probably heard that from a few people. >> so fascinating. it's almost like one of the cartoon figures that goes off the cliff but keeps going. as long as they don't look down, they don't go down. it's like sanders says i'm here. i'm still a candidate. these super delegates could change their mind. they could go with me now. it's all technically true. and he seems to want to live in that universe where it is technically possible for limb to sweep the super delegates and win the nomination. >> bernie is a friend of both of ours. you have to put your snefl his position for a moment, what he constructed here is a phenomenon. and it's a question of whether this phenomenon has a lasting impact on the democratic party. that's the question he has to

wrestle w i think part of his brain tells him that if he sticks it out that the platform at the committee can better reflect his beliefs. but there is also this worry that all of these voters that he's mobilized, if he stays in perhaps too long, won't stay engaged and be helpful in the general election. so i think he's in a difficult position here. he's just trying to figure out how he can take this movement and make it as real as possible. >> how would the human nature part of it? the guy is almost 75. he has crowds around him like he'll never have the rest of his life. human nature says wouldn't you tlik go out before some incredible barnstorming crowd tomorrow night and have them all in love with you? how does he walk away from that? i'm trying to figure this out. >> that's where this conversation about bringing the party together and accentuating the effort to take on the issues. we must have a convention where we discuss a national minimum wage increasing substantially. we have to discuss fossil fuels and the issue of fracking.

we have to -- >> what are the demands of the bernie people? do you want a $15 minimum wage commitment in the democratic plafrpg? >> absolutely. >> do you want to see a federal ban -- >> what i care may not matter a whole lot. >> do you want a federal ban committed to on fracking? >> would i? yes, indeed. >> what do you think will be the negotiating -- there are a lot of things, health care as a right, free state university college tuition. this is all serious proposals and everybody knows, i'm sorry, by sanders. everybody knows where he stands. >> this isn't a point of division between the clinton supporters and the sanders supporters. you have plenty of clinton supporters who are going to want to see a commitment to a $15 minimum wage. a lot of clinton supporters want to see policies on social security preservation. i don't think that all these issues are going to line up with bernie sanders supporters on one side and clinton supporters on the other. >> do you think compromise is

here? sanders people are so gung-ho, do you think they know what compromise looks like? suppose he says $15 an hour over the next ten years or she says debt free, we'll have work study programs guaranteed at every university. we'll have different ways can you afford college. woibt give it you to. the government is not going to pay for college tuition. there isn't any money. there. >> but there are ways to work for it. there are types of conversations that i think should take place and will take place. we're unified. we're completely unified over the fact donald trump is a charlottian, he ran a scam university. he tripped working people of their money and his campaign is a scam on a larger scale. he has never woken up one day in his life and had a concern for working people. he had a chance to give jobs to americans, he imported workers from overseas instead. so bernie sanders absolutely committed making sure that donald trump is not -- >> do you think the democratic party should change their name to what sanders likes?

democratic socialist party? >> i think that is a beautiful name. >> you are a democrat? >> are you a socialist? >> i'm a democrat. >> you are a socialist? >> i'm a democrat. >> can you call me whatever you want. >> i'm asking you. why is this so tricky. >> how do you define it. you define it your way. are you a socialist? >> i'm a democrat. the democratic party stands for a system that works for working people. and that's what i stand for. >> you don't want to answer it. you don't want to answer i i answered it. you asked what i am, i'm a democrat. >> but you're not a socialist? >> i'm not a socialist unless you call everyone american socialist that receives social security. >> i know what you mean. it seems tricky. bern ji happy with that name socialist. other people are not. >> don't underestimate. >> the republicans will throw this at you come the general election. it weren't for trump and they had a republican candidate, they would throw the hammer at you on this. >> back to jeff's point, don't underestimate at built the abil donald trump to unify this

party. but donald trump will do a pretty fantastic job. >> how does he get elected president? that's true, the democrats unite all the time? >> how did nixon get elected? >> he did get leelected. >> richard nixon is not donald trump. this is a shift in the republican party that even they don't know what to do with. >> i don't think we had richard nixon attack a american judge because they had mexican and sestry. i just want to know for donald trump, when you have a chance to ask him, because he's german, if he was a judge, would he rule himself out of any issue involving someone of a german background? his position is absurd. it is being condemned and rejected throughout the republican party not only the democratic party. we're going to come together and make sure the democratic nominee is. there. >> maybe they should call germans rapists. >> richard nixon was quietly racist behind closed doors and didn't say it outlawed. donald trump is proudly racist

in many ways. >> i'm not going to defend nixon here. he made comments about italian-americans, too. and jewish-americans. he was tough on a lot of people. thank you. >> thank you. >> great to be with you. >> up next, candidate without a campaign. that is how some republican operatives are describing donald trump these noements. and they worry lhis bear broeno operation can defeat them. and they call for the supporters to ratchet up the criticism of the judge just mentioned in the trump university case. the man who comes from a mexican ancestry that trump doesn't trust. this is "hardball," the place for politics. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids

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trump does what he wants much that's a quote. trum top day tweeted i am getting bad marks from certain pundits because they have a small campaign staff. small is good. flexible. save money. and number one. whatever that is. joining me right now is katy tur who reported that story. katy, you know, the press needs information. the press needs to be able to report. when you're assigned as you are and others, are your colleagues to cover a campaign, you need to get meat on the bones every day. does trump understand that or what? does he know that your job is to get stuff you can use to put on the air every night? >> i think he understands that. i don't think it's something he likes. i think he fundamentally believes he's not getting fair treatment in the press on a day to day basis. the campaign doesn't feel it's necessary to speak to reporters as most other campaigns do. you usually get an idea or a sense of what they're talking points are during the day or what strategy they have or what they're looking forward to or how they're trying to spin a

message or positive message that they're trying to get out. there you don't get that from the donald trump campaign because they assume, unless they like you personally as a reporter and feel you have been positively treating them, they assume that you are not going to use that information in a beneficial way to them so they shut you out entirely. does that mean you have no access to the campaign? not at all. people still talk you to on background quite bate. this campaign in particular, chris hashgsz a very tight center, very tight control around the candidate and there are certain aides within that campaign group, twhaunz have been there forever who have to talk to reporters bau they don't want to concede any control. >> john, you know, in a way that is old time politics related, one newspaper is on your side. you feed them like mad. >> yes. >> and then there is the globe in boston. you skip to herald, right? >> i do that all the time. that's the way you did it. it seems like trump is going back. you are either with me or

against me. we're just going to go wour people and screw the others. >> the thing about trump, he is really revolutionized the new cam pandz. he is on twitter all the time. he doesn't have a professional campaign staff for us which is jarring. in many ways, the fact that he's not a professional politician is a good thing. it shows off authenticity. but it is also a bad thing. he can't keep a consistent message and he can't keep on offense. he is all over the place. and that undisciplined is killing him. >> here's the problem. he is trying for years his campaign, katy, to defend his position with regard to the judge. he's going after who said the judge because of the mexican heritage and background and family that he's going to be against biassed against him in this case involving trump university. here's the tricky part. even in an ideal surrogate setup, why should a surrogate go in and defend him on trump university? that's a private matter. >> that is a private matter to donald trump. but it's become a campaign issue

because he talks about it at these rallies nonstop. he talks about it at interviews. so in the donald trump campaign world, feen it iseven if it is matter, it is relevant to his campaign bought he is constantly bringing it up. he talks about himself and how this affects him. this bloomberg report about a source and that conversation and surrogates, he's trying to help them put out fire that is around him with the judge. and he's asking them to defend him on it saying that he believes he's not being treated fairly. wire going to find out if the surrogates come out and do actually do that to defend trump on comments that are widely being called racist right now including by some in the republican party at the very worst, the very best. many republicans are just trying to distance themselves from

this. we're also going to see if the bloomberg report that donald trump is asking them to call out tv reporters by name and to push back on them pretty hard and aggressively saying they're actually the racist ones for asking donald trump about whether his comments are racist. we're going to find out if that happens. it will be interesting. >> let's get back to english. how do you call people who are sensitive, reasonably sensitive, reasonable people about somebody being targeted as biassed because they're of mexican-american background. can you argue about. that how do you turn that around to the person who is sensitive to ethnic prejudice? how is donald trump a victim of racism? >> i'm not sure how he would lay it out. i do believe from experiencing the campaign and from speaking to people that one of the biggest talking points, you know, in the talking point spectrum of donald trump is this anti-political correctness. they don't want to be politically correct at all.

and this is another instance where i think the campaign believes that they are being forced to be politically correct and they don't believe they should be. >> one of the oldest rules you and i know is when you're in a hole, stop digging. he is in a hole. he's not getting -- katie knows. this you can't find anybody who agrees with him. no matter how the thinking goes, you know, i call them all rapist. they resent. that i mean people of mexican heritage. nobody wants to put -- take the position i agree with him that judge should be suspected of bias in this case. because he's mexican-american. you cannot win that argument. >> he's going to stop digging and start a fire somewhere else. he's always been good at distracting attention to something else. he's not good this time. zbi want to get off it. >> i think he feels injured. i think he thinks this trump university is bad for his campaign. and the further they go into it, the worse it is for him. it hurts the little people.

>> i agree. katy tur, there is not always a solution. sometimes you take your losses. up next, troubles facing trump right now. republicans are condemning comments about the judge and the trump university case. they're condemning him. they're just not not agreeing, they're going after him. that is people like newt gingrich who is number within on his list of probable v.p. nominees for trump. you are watching "hardball," the place for politics. keep throwin? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in yo way. u simply earn unlimited 1.5% cash back ery pchase, everywhere. yocan't dodge e question... what's in ur wallet? before it became a micine,

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why did you refer to his ethnicity, donald? >> because his heritage is next can. >> so whether what? >> i want to build a wall. i'm getting along great with hispanics, but i want to build a wall. >> do you think you have to dial it back? >> i have to be what i have to

be. >> if he was a muslim chjudge, you think he may not be able to treat you fairly? >> that is possible, absolutely. >> when you're in a hole, stop digging. donald trump faced criticism for his comments including from several republicans. his comments are offensive and wrong and he should retract them. this is about the judge in the trump u case. yet, she still plans to support him. susan collins of maine called it absolutely unacceptable. apart from the racist implications, he is also indulging to a habit of attributing motivations of everyone and everything to race, class, jenlder and sexual orientation. senator mitch mcconnell and paul ryan among others rejected trump's comments. >> i couldn't disagree more with that statement. >> i don't relate to that. i don't think he is behind that. >> it's offensive. it really is. and this week it was a whole new

level. >> i think it's wrong. he needs to stop saying that. i don't think it reflects well on the republican party. i don't think it reflects well on a nation. >> this is one of the worst mistakes he made. i think it's inexcusable. >> well, double down again today. >> as far as newt is concerned, i saw newt. i was surprised at snoonewt. i thought it was inappropriate. i'm trying to figure out why i'm being treat sod unfarley by a judge. >> a quote, he rebuffed efforts by campaign staff and party officials to back off the claim this weekend. sources telling them he will -- he was unwilling to look like he had caved to pressure. well, he is the host of the hugh hewitt show. and msnbc politicalantist and megan murphy for bloomberg news. howard dean is the former governor of vermont and everything else in the world. you know, i guess trump takes this personal. he may have some money involved in this trump u case.

but he's not backing off. i think it's a big mistake. >> but your thoughts? >> i think it is a mistake. this is why i think hillary is going to most likely be the next president. so hillary thursday gave a great speech. what you have to do with trump is smack them hard because he's a bully and the president has to be strong. that's what hillary has to show. pivot and talk about poll sichlt the problem with trump is people like this about trump. the average person. this is how he got the nomination. but he has absolutely no background or knowledge about policy whatsoever. the closer we get to the election, the more that matters. >> megan, this thought did b. this country has been taught to a couple generations, a couple centuries to stay off the ethnic. when you judge people. don't judge a person by their background or race or ethnicity. when you say well we know where he stands. even if there is the complication of trump having bashed mexican americans as rapists and everything else, still, it doesn't work. when you see like guys like mip

mcconnell and newt jumping around playing mr. liberal, you know something is wrong with trump. >> we have to put this in the context of where we are. we have this extraordinary call this afternoon that trump has with his own supporters telling them to defend me but attack the journalist who's may be questioning these comments as possibly racially motivated. >> racially motivated. what does that mean? >> well, it's -- it's very hard to parse the language of what he means. >> all the people we listed on this program as having a problem with him in the republican party are caucasian. and they're attacking him. they're attack another -- okay. whatever. >> one hispanic. >> it's not like it's -- i don't get the word racist and how it applies to people who criticize him. >> you may know the irish saying, when everyone says you are drunk, you better sit down. and that is so applicable here. the only question -- two questions, will there be a mutiny? if there is, does it spread or

does we have him overboard? there were three people on this call, the attorney general of florida. jan brewer, former governor of arizona. and scott brown, former senator. you have senator, governor, attorney general. >> they were on the phone with trump. he said, no, attack the judge. i don't think donald trump understand that's. >> they also said, you have to have a message. jan brewer did call them out. we're being told different things by different people. >> kind of like the governor. >> suppose this campaign and the democratic side comes to a resolution the next couple weeks. people tell me who stud i didn't think polls that the polls in the "new york times" today, they're all about two or three points separating trump and hillary. many people tell me the minute that he pulls out of the race because suspended, whatever you call it, that she's going to be up by eight or so. is that going to change trump's realization that what he's doing now isn't working? i think he's probably saying the same thing, we're within a marge ib of error of hillary clinton.

he has to change his tune if he's out eight. >> reason he's where he is is because he's not a politician. the reason he's going to lose is because he's not a politician. politics really actually is a skill. and it does lep help to be good at it. trump is terrible at politics. >> people don't like politicians. >> but they do understand what i means to be president. and trump is just -- hill i have right. he's not qualified to be president. he captured the imagination. he blew 16 people out of the race. some are quite qualified. reagan caught telling a joke he shouldn't have told. he said his defense was i was just offering it as an example of one of the jokes making the rounldz. >> oh, god. >> see that? it was absolutely defensible. of course everybody doesn't make up their own jokes. they hear a joke, pass it on. he said i was giving it as an exhibit. he was telling a joke he heard. it was a weird spin that people think that is what politicians do. that's what politicians do. yeah. that's what they do. they come up with spin and bs

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calm. very thorough. >> trump/burr. that's the bumper sticker. >> trump did say double down on my comments about the judge, but he said make sure people are focused on 98percentapproval, he's trying to show supposedly 98% of people who went to trump view u approved of it. >> there are talks by grownup in the sanders and clinton campaign how to land the airplane and get this thing done. >> when? >> that's the big question. >> eta? >> i can't give you that. >> how about hose tax returns? thank you, panel. let me finish with the true story of muhammad ali. it's very different than this candy cane that's been being passed around. this guy meant something and believed in something and he maiden he's. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. how about we pump more into promotions?

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let me finish tonight with this. there's a lot of warm and fuzzy stuff going around about muhammad ali. you'd think he was mr. popularity back in the 1960s.

pack when he announced his conversion to islam, back when he resisted the vietnam draft, back what he said he didn't have a quarrel with the viet cong. that would be wrong. when ali gave up what he called his slave name, cassius marcellus clay, it was his slave name, it was the name of his grandfather who was a slave. when ali resisted the draft he paid a serious price. he had his license suspended, his draft card revoked so he couldn't fight overseas. lost more than three years of his prime fighting career. he wasn't that popular those years, saying you were muslim back then, saying you were going to fight the draft, were not easy positions to take in this country at that time. when ali got back in the ring in march of '71 he had to face the toughest beating of his career at the hands of joe frazier and after that managed to pull off the victory at the rumble in the jungle, three rounds of constant heavyweight pounding from a younger, bigger, stronger, more aggressive george foreman.

rope a dope may sound funny. those punches muhammad ali took were hardly laced with humor. remember the man who just died surrounded by warmth and popularity didn't build his life cuddling up to it. he made his life being muhammad ali, the ban he insisted on being, and caught the world's attention. the month i spent living in the arab quarter of jerusalem, wandering through the old walled city, i kept seeing muhammad's picture on the walls of the shops. same in egypt, streets of cairo kids would come up to me and say, do you know john wayne? do you know muhammad ali? don't say nothing bad about muhammad ali. they knew they had a hero in the conflict which was real and going on in america. i think it's good to remember the way things really were because it says something more important about this country than that we had a popular heavyweight fighter everyone thought was nice. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now.

tonight on "all in." >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. >> donald trump taking fire from all sides. >> why did you refer to his ethnicity? >> because his heritage is mexican -- >> so what this. >> trump defending and expanding his bigoted i remarks. >> if it were a muslim judge would you feel they couldn't treat you fairly because of that policy of yours? >> it's possible, yes. >> new fears from republicans about their own presumptive nominee. and new reporting from nbc news about a campaign off the rails. then -- >> i'm wait formal him to say, because of all the bigoted things he has said about women, that a woman judge couldn't preside. >> is it the eve of a historic victory for hillary clinton? "new york" magazine's rebecca traiser on her blockbuster clinton profile. what we know about why the prid