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of middlesex county. they are using these maps on the wall and at nounthe announcemen saying, hello. hillary clinton still needs your vote in new jersey. i think we can grab a volunteer. what's your name? >> i'm glclaudia houston. >> because hillary clinton gave us a mandate to get every vote out. it didn't change me, one minute of my excitement and level of commitment. so we are here. >> reporter: thank you very much. thomas, the presumptive nominee is in but the campaign continues. back to you. >> that's going to wrap up this hour. i'm thomas roberts, thanks for watching. be sure to watch our big night here on msnbc at 5:00 p.m. special team coverage. my colleague, kate snow, picks things up. good afternoon from new york. i'm kate snow. hillary clinton has sealed the deal according to nbc news and
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now all eyes are on bernie sanders. new support from formerly unpledged superdelegates make this clinton's first full day as a democrat's presumptive presidential nominee exactly eight years after she dropped out of her last run. democrats in six states and washington, d.c. do vote today. don't forget and bernie sanders is not giving up. he tweeted earlier, quote, pundits and the political press wanna call this race early before every person votes. let's show them we ain't gonna let it happen. go vote. as far as becoming a presumptive nominee, donald trump got a five-week head start on hillary clinton. he earned the nod back in early may. ample time to unite a fractured gop or not. this afternoon on the same day clinton sets political history, trump is not only sputtering and trying to bring his party together but he is smack-dab at the center of a dispute. he is not backing off of his
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comments saying the federal judge overseeing comments about trump university has a bias because of trump university. >> claiming a person can't do their job because of their race is sort of like the text book racist of a comment. >> congressman ryis entitled to his opinion. i am not going to micro analyze every bit of the campaign. i think senator graham has lost any credibility he may have had at any time to give an opinion on this. >> i would love to be able to support our nominee. i think his comments were racist. i don't think that donald trump personal is a racist person in that he wouldn't -- he is not going to refuse to hire somebody because of the color of their skin or their background. he is playing the race card. >> it is time to quit attacking various people you competed with
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or various minority groups and get on message e has an opportunity to do that. this election is imminently winnable. >> it is a busy day with vote ago cross six states and history being made in the race for the white house. right now, our team of reporters are out with the campaign speaking to voters. let's start with msnbc chris jansing from santa monica, california. you have a lot of fresh reporting about what bernie sanders is contemplating and what may happen tonight glchlt . >> reporter: in fact, what happens tonight will determine what happens tomorrow. there will be very important conversations when he and his senior staff fly back to burlington, vermont. can he win california? he has a west coast sweep along with oregon and washington, d.c. state. that will send a strong message, he believes. there are other states voting. they think they have a good chance to win three of them. the dakotas, they feel very good
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about. if they can win four states here, including montana, that would be kind of a dream scenario. then, they could potentially make an argument, have a strong argument, they feel, to move forward. the thing they have talked about, to try to flip these superdelegates to go all the way to the convention. on the other hand, if he has a bad night tonight, that conversation on the plane is likely to be very different. it will be how do we take this movement, all these people who he has gotten to vote for him, 9 million people. the 230,000 people in kra califa who have come out to see him, all the people that have come out and registered, will they go out and vote today, all those kind of things. how do they take that movement as he likes to call it and turn it into something that is good for the cun trountry and the pa and good for bernie sanders as the head of this movement. all along, bernie sanders has said, he doesn't want to deal in
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hypotheticals. until tonight, he won't have those answers that he wants. there will be a lot of conversation. obviously, there are senior staff members, some of whom have been with him for a decade or longer who will have their say ultimately. this will be bernie sanders decision. how will he move forward? one final point, kate? that is that he has been saying all along, everybody should have their vote count. that may mean we may not learn his decision until after next tuesday, when washington, d.c. goes to the polls, kate? >> chris jansing, one more question for you before i let you go. yesterday, we were sitting here and i made a joke about the president may be calling up bernie sanders. we found out later, he did call bernie sanders and they had a conversation. we don't know what that is. my question is, how much will it matter? the white house indicating today that nothing will happen tonight but that president may endorse presumably hillary clinton by the end of this week?
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how does that play? obviously, it does play in. i think they are walking a very fine line with the clinton campaign and with the white house. they don't want to do anything that they feel will offend bernie sanders. they also want to move forward and have what they feel is the best opportunity to get started on the general election. to some extent, how he reacts may have some influence on that. there have been conversations on going between the clinton camp. two different people have painted them in a positive light. so far, so good. again, until we see what happens tonight and where bernie sanders' mintsd set is after he has had 24 hours to think about it, all betts are off. chris jansing with excellent reporting as ever. we will hear directly from
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the candidate himself. lester holt, an exclusive interview with bernie sanders tonight on nicely news at 6:306789 msnbc's kasie hunt is covering the clinton campaign from outside campaign headquarters in brooklyn, new york. what are we hearing out of that campaign on a day that could be historic? >> reporter: hi, kate. it very well could be. they are expecting that's going to be the kind of moment that she faces when she takes the stage tonight. as the first presumptive nominee that is a woman of a major political party. there are voters they need them to head to the polls. they e-mailed saying, the organizations that have called her the presumptive nominee. we still need you to get out and vote. xl clinton herself had that to sayed in california.
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>> according to the news, we are on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment. we still have work to do. we have six elections tomorrow and we're going to fight hard for every single vote, specially right here in california. >> reporter: the outcome in california not expected to potentially come until late in the evening. it could set the tone for what happens later with bernie sanders, whether he bows out immediately or we see something more contentious or the president expected to weigh in with his endorsement potentially as early as this week. a lot of things still up in the air. we do know hillary clinton is finding her footing as a general election candidate starting with that speech he gave out in san
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diego last week and continuing through to the expected address tonight. >> kasie hunt in brooklyn, new york, thanks so much. let's turn to the other side of the race now. katy ter has covered the trump campaign since the beginning and joins me now. what's the latest you are hearing from inside the campaign over the judge and the comments about the judge and the fallout of those comments? >> first up, we are waiting for governor christie who is inside right now presumably speaking to donald trump. he walked in a little over an hour ago and we are expecting that he will be coming out any moment now. usually, his meetings with donald trump, last around an hour or less. in terms of what's going on inside the campaign, a source confirms, nbc news, that that conference call, first reported by bloomberg in which donald trump called the surrogates and demanded they get on his message and start defending him and also said that the people that are asking the questions are probably the racists, not him, that is all confirmed to be
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true. sources are telling us that that report is 100% factual. that call did happen in just way bloomberg reported it. i am also hearing that there is still some frustration behind the scenes that the judge comments. the judge attacks are not going away. donald trump tried to somewhat dampen it yesterday on fox news saying he is not the one that's bringing this up in the first place, that it is reporters. we did a little bit of digging on this. the first reference we could find of donald trump talking about this judge was back in february at a rally in indiana. after that, reporters asked him about it. then, it went to the wayside with all the other news that was out there. he brought it up again for the first time that we can find in san diego. we believe also in fresno as well. the reality that donald trump
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brought it up first regardless of whether he wants to paint himself as the victim, the person that does not want to talk about it. the campaign trying to spin the message as best they can, trying to get a surrogate team in place to push back on this. so far, the loudest and biggest voice we have heard, the most notable voice, is governor chris christie coming out of this. so far, other big endorsers like jeff sessions have been silent on this issue. kate? >> katy ter here in new york. thanks so much. up next, more on donald trump's singularly coordinated efforts to control his message. katy just referred to it. we will get a report from inside the campaign. before ening enough cash back from bank of america to buy a new gym bag. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs. and 3% back on gas. kenny used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to join the wednesday night league. because he loves to play hoops. not jump through them. that's the excitement
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the cascade of those objecting to his comments about federal judge curiel. >> of course it is inappropriate to attack a federal judge's race or ethnicity. you are going to have to ask donald to explain why he says the things he does. i am not going to try to do so. >> i am very disturbed by the way he keeps referring to this judge, born in indiana. >> rubio's comments coming weeks after he pledged to support donald trump as the republican party's nominee. according to new report, donald trump urged supporters to continue talking about the judge despite concerns raised by his staffers. joining me now mark halperin. katy ter says we have now confirmed many of the details.
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you first reported this. talk to me about campaign insiders that told but this conference call that happened with donald trump on your line. what was the dynamic of this phone call and what was he telling his supporters to do? >> the campaign told us the call was set up for trump to thank his surrogates for supporting him. it quickly turned into a here is what you say and here is how you attack, particularly on a push back on trump university. this has been the most divisive and deepest controversy of trump's general election campaign. he is clearly feeling the heat. he gave a few points of attack and as soon as governor jan brewer said, your campaign has told us not to talk about this. >> former governor of arizona. >> trump nixed that order. >> she said there was an e-mail that was sent out to the surrogates. trump repeatedly demanded to
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know who sent the memo and immediately overruled his staff saying, take that order and throw it the hell out. at another point, he called people stupid who were giving that advice. stupid information from people that weren't so smart. the person that sent the e-mail was a low-level staffer and her job is to disseminate that information and it was cc d to the campaign manager and the top campaign official. this was coming from his campaign. it shows sort of the combativeness of the campaign, the chaos of the campaign. trump's willingness to overrule his own staff. a lot of the themes were embodied in this 20-minute phone call. >> we have heard from lindsey graham some really strong comments today. he said that this controversy makes a good exit for republicans that regret endorsing or coming on board with donald trump. do you anticipate that some might walk away from trump at this point?
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>> it is possible. i am marrying rumbles of some people that committed publicly and in some cases pry variesly to racing money for trump that are not inclined to do it. we have not seen any major public defections. this hangs in the balance. it is possible that people will do what lindsey graham suggested he is going to do, turn their attention largely exclusively to trying to save senate and house seats even they don't publicly walkway from him. it is all hanging in the balance between now and the convention. you saw senator corker say trump has a couple weeks to figure this out and to start behaving in a different way. they nominated a guy who was the leader of the birther movement who said a lot of controversial things in the past. the best hope is that he stop now, because he can't unring the bell of this remark. he has made it repeatedly. >> what i thought was fascinating about your reporting too was the sense that you get of trump being in charge of
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everything and effectively the leader of the whole game and nobody trumps trump. nobody can speak differently than his talking points. >> that is the campaign here. when brewer pushed back on saying they have been on different orders. you need to get on the same page. trump said, we will hold these calls regularly. he often believes he is his own best campaign strategist and communication director and scheduler. no other modern campaign has been run like this. he has run the primary and now the question is, if he can do it in the general. >> i keep asking you this question every week. are we at a pivotal moment. so many times we have said, i can't believe the controversy he is drawing. how can he survive this? are we finally at a point where it leads to a retooling? >> let's see the next rounds in the important state polls. if trump's numbers are stable or
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go up, it will be very hard to moderate his behavior on the part of the republicans that want him to change. you have leading figures like paul ryan saying these are racist remarks and then trump's staunchest defenders saying our candidate is not the racist. that's not the message the republican party wants to be on. this is not make or break, can trump win or will trump win? it is make or break about whether he can have a consolidated party. there are people dead set against him. can he have a consolidated party? that does hang in the balance. >> bloomberg, i appreciate you guys being here. we are waiting on chris christie coming out from a meeting with donald trump, one of his defenders. up next, she is not the first to run. hillary clinton, now the first female presumptive nominee for a major presidential party shattering the once elusive
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although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it has about 18 million cracks in it. and the light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge that the path will be a little easier next time. >> hard for me to believe that was eight years ago today, that momentum speech marking the end of hillary clinton's first presidential campaign, about 13 million cracks later. that glass ceiling has now shat erd. she has become the first woman to according to nbc news clinch the nomination of a major party. our own beth fuey attended that speech eight years ago, as did i. we were both in the room.
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we have all these memories of the emotion of that moment. i was going back, beth, and reading -- i had to read what i wrote at the time and what you wrote at the time. it was so interesting. you wrote about how it was that last day, that speech where she seemed to finally find her voice and show emotion and show her humanity and the fact that she is a woman. >> all of her fans were waiting for. it only came in defeat. there was real regret around that. so many of her fans, supporters are women, women of her age, who are so excited to see this woman get so close and so heartbroken she didn't make it. as you know, hillary clinton did not want to play up the fact that she was a ground-breaker, if she were elected it would be the first woman candidate. the ground breaker went to barack obama as the first black man to win the nomination. her advisers did not want her to play that up.
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she only did at that speech. you remember the emotion and so many women weeping. the concept of the glass ceiling and the 18 million cracks. everybody remembers that phrase. >> do you think that changed fundamentally who we see now in terms of her campaign? at times, i feel like i see more of her. if you have met her in person, she is a warm, engaging person. >> she is. >> i feel like i see more of her but there is still the performance aspect. >> and the caution. we have seen her talk a little bit more about being a woman and the groundbreaking nature of that than we did in 2008. i do still see there is a fundamental caution, a hesitation to draw a whole lot of attention to that. she has taken a couple of interviews, including with our people and nbc reporters where she he has sort of gone up there, said, yes, i am excited and it is going to be special and i am going to fight on. i need to get the votes. she would only let herself go
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therefore a very brief moment. >> the voters haven't voted yet. she doesn't want to mess it up. she will speak to the historic nature of her candidacy tonight. donald trump, i have to ask about this, when we started asking or talking about glass ceilings, last night he was asked about it with bill o'reilly. let's take a listen to what he said last night. >> i have great respect for women. i was the one that broke the glass ceiling on behalf of women more than anybody in the construction industry. my relationship is going to end up being very good with women. >> he says he has broken the glass ceiling in the construction industry. a lot of democrats said it is not analogous but it is an achievement. >> if he hired a lot of women in the construction industry, that's great. that's very good that he did that. he can't break somebody else's glass ceiling. if you are going to use that met for, women have to break the glass ceiling themselves.
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you can't have donald trump do it for you. you need women to breakthrough their own glass ceiling. >> we may see it officially tonight. he hallie jackson just got an exclusive interview with senator ted cruz. what can you tell snus what dus? what did he have to say? >> reporter: we caught up with the senator as he was leaving this meeting on art restoration, a bill that he chaired. we talked to him a little bit about donald trump's comments. cruz has already called them appropriate. we wanted to talk, as you know, cruz has not said whether he would vote for donald trump in the fall definitively or not. this was after a long primary season after we saw cruz being called a sniffling coward. he said donald trump's comments
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have seemed to overshadow some of the policy movements. he said, politics have a way of working itself out. i want to play about this 2:30 interview we did in the hallway with some other record reporters present. >> reporter: you talk about donald trump i know you have called his comments on judge curiel appropriate. you have not said whether you will vote for him. what is taking so long? >> i, like many other voters am watching and listening what he says and what he does. that's what millions of voters are doing. that's the way the democratic process is meant to operate. >> reporter: how long will that last? >> from now right until election day. >> reporter: what about you? >> i'm give teeing time and watching and assessing. >> reporter: as somebody that wants to be a leader of the conservative grass movements, do you feel like you owe an obligation to some of your followers to suggest them what way to go? >> i am focused on defending
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conservative principles, standing up and continuing to be a voice for the common sense principles that built this country. i am fighting for them in the united states senate. i hope to fight for them and implement them from the principles. it turned out that was not the way the election went. i am back here in the senate working hard to fight for the very same principles. the american people are hungry for a leader that will get washington off of our backs, that will bring back jobs and economic growth, that will defend the constitution and keep this country safe? i hope that's what we end up with. >> reporter: some said that you want to cause some mischief at the convention, that you may have some surprise up your sleeve? is there one? >> there is no surprise. i going to work to defend the conservative principles, the common sense principles that built this country. the platform should reflect those principles. i'm going to continue to defending the principles that built america. if you look at what happened in
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our country, we have gotten away from the common sense principles that built america. more and more, the federal government is crushing small businesses, destroying jobs, destroying opportunity. people are struggling and angry with washington. much of this election reflects that anger. i am going to continue fighting as long as there is breath in my body to get government off of the backs of the working men and women of this country and to defend the constitution. our bill of rights, the constitution, it is the most ex troird charter creating a nation and protecting our liberties in the history of mankind. we have gotten far, far away from honoring the constitution. i intend to fight every day to get back to it. >> so two pieces of news that i want to pull out from that, kate. number one, this idea of why ted cruz has still not definitively said what he will do with donald trump. he is assessing like voters are. this is interesting.
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it speaks to the timeline of what's happening now between now and the convention. you heard this from bob corker talking about how trump has a few weeks to basically prove that he can, in fact, focus, get on message in the words of mitch mcconnell and dial back some comments that are incredibly controversial. the second point of news, cruz may in for some kind of convention surprise. there may be some mischief making from some of his supporters. you heard cruz say, it is no surprise he will fight to jun hold conservative principles. that alludes to the possibility of a platform fight come july in cleveland. there is still some drama here in this republican race. you are seeing it play out on capitol hill. >> we sure are. hallie jackson, thank you so much. i want to bring in jane newton
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small, washington correspondent for "time" magazine. let's talk about what we just saw and your reporting. you have a piece right now in "time" about your interview with susan collins. she said, i have never met donald trump or seen him in person. he is the one candidate that i have never met and still haven't. it is significant he hasn't come to meet with the senate republican caucus. maybe not in ted cruz' case but in collins and other republicans case that, matters, i would think, that trump is not making the effort, they think, to reach out? >> it absolutely matters. susan collins is the senior most female or woman republican on capitol hill. she is the dean of the senate women. it is important to her, specksly because she has taken such exception, not only to his comments on judge gonzalo curiel but also his comments on megyn kelly and hillary clinton.
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susan collins said she was very upset when donald trump said that hillary clinton was playing the woman's cards. you have to remember, these are hillary clinton's former colleagues here in the senate. they know her well. she took exception to that saying she didn't think hillary clinton was playing the woman's card and that actually belittled her record. she wants to talk to donald trump before she gives her endorse n endorsement of him. she wants to understand what his thinking is behind those comments and whether he is going to temper or change those comments. you are going to see a lot of those p senators hold out on their endorsements. >> does this feel dirn to yffer you as you talk to other republicans? there is more anger and it is different that he is the presumptive nominee? >> its definitely different
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because he is the nominee. there had been all these assurances by his staff to this sort of establishment republicans that he was going to make this turn, become more presidential and have more gravitas. you cannot win without a coalition. there are just not enough white male voters. you have to form a coalition with some minority groups. if he continues to alien nate these groups. >> jay newton-small, smis to have you. ninup next, we are heading to california. the challenge hillary clinton faces in winning over bernie sanders supporters. >> i think that november, if i
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on this election day, voters are going to the polls in six states, california and new jersey being the biggest turnouts. let's start in los angeles with msnbc's jacob so ber rauf. >> reporter: we are here in east los angeles, a place that bernie sanders and hillary clinton came to campaign. they both want to win here. here is robert, who just voted here. he is a former student here. >> reporter: what's it like to be back? >> i used to roam these halls as a little kid. it is good to be back here. >> reporter: you told me you are a bernie sanders supporter. you came out and voted for him despite the fact that hillary
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clinton has been declared the presumptive nominee by us at msnbc based on the superdelegates and pledged delegates. why did you come out? >> i am still here for the fight i think the voting is still here. bernie sanders is there until the convention. i am here for the same thing, straight to the conventions. i think it is too early to call things, even with the sole superdelegates. i am here to the end. >> reporter: nice to meet you. kate, i want you to come inside into the library here at brooklyn avenue elementary where you can see what's going on. a lot of people are voting. turnout has remained relatively constant. this is the third polling place we have been to over the course of date here in los angeles. again, people are here. people are voting. we will see what happens. the clinton campaign is worried about that p she is already the presumptive nominee. i want to throw it over to my
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colleague tony decopolo. tony? >> reporter: thank you very much, jacob. i was at a polling station in berg aga bergen county, new jersey. this is middlesex county. a clinton campaign headquarters. campaigning is going on. the cookies are being eaten. the calls are being made. canvassers are all around the neighborhood using the news about hillary being declared the presumptive nominee to make a pitch to voters. they are calling them up and saying, i know you saw the news and got the alert. hillary clinton still needs your vote in new jersey. congresswoman bonnie watson cole man came here. she is a hillary clinton superdelegate. we got to ask her about key components of the bernie sanders campaign. they issued a statement saying they are going to fight on
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because he plan toss woo some of the superdelegates in hillary clinton's camp like the congresswoman. it was unfair for them to declare way back in october and november. the congresswoman responded to those claims. here is what she said. >> i think he has no more chance to convince them than he has of convincing me. i don't think there is any legitimate reason for him to think he can approach a superdelegate given the fact that she has the most popular vote, the most pledged delegates as well as the most superdelegates. this is not a lopsided int action here. this is the full thrust of what can be expected and what makes up a primary campaign. she clearly is the winner. >> reporter: so, in this office here, they have hours more of work to do. the polls close at 8:00 p.m.
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there is momentum building. many parties where campaign workers are going to get together and watch the results roll in. if she wins the pledged delegates, it will be a celebration. >> 11:00 p.m. eastern by the time we get the results out of california. after the break, what's bernie sanders' next move. we will talk to somebody who knows him well, howard dean is with us. disease is tough, but i've managed. except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe ohn's seas and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, cluding turculosis serious, sometimes fal infections and canrs, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,
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i'm going to do everything i can to unify the democratic party and i certainly am going to reach out to senator sanders and hope he will join me. we have to be unified going into the convention and coming out of the convention to take on donald trump. >> that was hillary clinton speaking to reporters yesterday about unifying the democratic party after a heated primary
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season. with bernie sanders vowing to continue to fight on with a deeply devoted group of supporters, bringing the party together may not be the easiest task. let's turn to howard dean, former vermont governor, former dnc chairman. governor dean does support hillary clinton for president. nice so see you. i know you are from vermont. you go way back with bernie sanders. you both served in public office since the early 1980s. have you talked to him lately? >> no. the last time i saw him was in the new hampshire property. >> if he called you up, if clinton wins mthe majority of te delegates, what would you tell him? >> he has run an incredible campaign, he has moved the dialogue of the whole country, let alone the democratic party, to a place that is a better place where we are debating economic issues for middle class and working class people that have been left behind, he needs
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to continue that fight. you can't do that with a big schism inside the party. when i left, i started something called democracy for america, which has been run by my brother which has endorsed bernie sanders. he could set one up that is twice, three times as big as that to influence politics and get people elected who are like min like-minded to bernie sanders. >> how quickly does he need to get out of the race presuming he doesn't get an enormous victory in california. >> i would suspect he would want to speak at the convention, which he has every right to do. what happens between now and the convention? what is the tone of the campaign. i don't think he needs to get out of the way. what we want is to unify the party and make an effort to make sure that donald trump is not president. i'm pretty sure that is what he wants. >> does he need to drop out and not be a candidate and be more
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of an adviser? >> in theory, hillary was a candidate at the convention. she did something i have never seen anybody do, which is, in effect, to nominate barack obama. that would be a real class act. >> eight years ago today, she conceded the race. she was very clear. she stood up there and said in that speech, i want everybody to support barack obama now. i guess i'm wondering how soon you think bernie sanders needs to give some kind of speech like that to his followers. will they do that? will they follow him? >> i loss in the wisconsin, which is much earlier. i was the front-runner for a while. when i dropped out, i left everybody alone for a month. i didn't make any prescriptions. it is much harder for your followers to change side than for you to. this is about the future of the cun tri, not about bernie or hillary or anything else. he has to decide what he is going to do. i am not going to give him
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public advice on television. i am pretty sure he wants to do the right thing. >> governor howard dean, thank you so much. always nice to see you. appreciate you being with us. >> thanks very much. we do have breaking news coming in. this is aunendorsement senator mark kirk writing "i cannot and will not support my party's nominee for president." again, this is someone who had supported donald trump now turning around and saying i cannot and will not support my party's mom nigh for president. that would be a first. we talked about it with mark halperin a little bit earlier in the hour. whether there might be some who will regret their decision to support trump given the comments recently made about the judge in the case involving trump university. i presume that is the reasoning for senator kirk. there's nothing more in front of me than these words. we will be right back after a quick break.
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let's go back to the breaking news we were talking about. a tweet coming from ap's congressional reporter erika warner writing that senator mark kirk of illinois reversed his decision to support the republican party's nominee and now saying "i cannot and will not support my party's nominee for president." that being donald trump. katy tur is with us on more. context for people is senator kirk is running for re-election right now in illinois. he's in a tough race there. >> reporter: he is in a tough race. this is the first of what could be potentially many people rescinding their support -- endorsement for donald trump. especially those in, as you said, tough races of their own down ball lot. we've seen a number of democrats come out strongly against their republican rivals in the senate and congressional races across the country using donald trump to attack them. using trump's own words to say
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that this is what the party believes in and this is what various senators or representatives believe in. and this is why you should vote for the democrat on this ticket. we're seeing it in a number of areas including ohio. we're also wondering what exactly is going on right now inside trump tower. governor chris christie has been there for over an hour, which is uncharacteristic typically of his visits are usually an hour when he's here. maybe less. what are they talking about? is he urging donald trump to release a statement on the judge? is he urging donald trump to walk back his comments? we're going to tripe to find out when he leaves trump tower. governor christie has been a taunch suppo staunch supporter of donald trump. telling reporters that he does not believe that donald trump is a racist. also, saying that lindsey graham has lost all credible. senator lindsey graham earlier today telling his republican colleagues it might be time to take the off ramp. to get off at the party is more
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important than this nomination. and they shouldn't necessarily standby donald trump, if he continues on this path. so far a number of senators and a number of supporters claimed over and over again that donald trump it going to pivot to the general election. he's going to try to moderate his tone. things will be different. we have not seen that. every time that donald trump has said he would do that or supporters have said he would do that, he's come out with another incendiary statement. the judge comments are another example. >> katy tur at trump tower. thank you so much. a quote from senator mark quirk. i concluded that donald trump has not demonstrated the temperament necessary to assume the greatest office in the world. more on that at the top of the hour. now let's go back to the democrats and the latest from the sanders campaign that says they will be entering a, quote, new phase of the campaign
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tomorrow. actor shah lean woodley is joining me now. >> nice to see you. >> we referred to reporting from my colleague chris jansing saying on the plane ride back to bu burlington tonight there will be a reassessment. i know folks that support you like yourself, i'm sure you want to stay in as long as he can. how do you read what might happen tonight. what if he doesn't have a big win in california? >> the fact of the matter is bernie sanders is changing the narrative the way we look at the democratic party which is important. what we need to remember is regardless of what happens today, we're being fed narratives by statements that ap released last night as well as nba that a nbc that hillary clinton clenched the nomination. the truth is neither candidate is going to get to the 2,383 count to become the candidate. we need to go to convention so
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question encourage the democratic party to open the arms and doors to the young generation and everyone else that wants to join. we need to look at the fact that bernie sanders and every poll i look at he's the most electable candidate to beat donald trump. that's what we should be focussed on. >> when we look at the numbers and we have teams of people here at nbc news who look at the delegate count. they include the super delegates which were created in 1984 in that cycle to give party leaders more of a si in the process. the super delegates never changed the outcome of an election. in other words, it's the people voting and voting for delegates pledged delegates that matters. and nbc news is projecting that hillary clinton has the pledged delegates to move forward. at what point does bernie sanders do himself a disservice by staying in longer and does it start to put -- to taint what you have accomplished so far? >> i'm not sure we're doing nidis service.
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i think what we're doing is engaging more people to get out there and vote. when you do as a citizens, when you receive information from the media that the other candidate has clenched the nomination regardless of whether or not they're including the super delegate account, which is telling they are, you're discrediting a lot of people and encouraging a lot of people not to vote. everyone's voice matters and the bernie sanders campaign. we have proven a lot of firsts. he's the first candidate to ever run for presidency in america to not accept one corporate dollar. so there's a lot of firsts engaged in his campaign. i don't know necessarily just because you've never seen a switch in super delegates in the past doesn't mean it can't happen this year. we had a super delegate came out from north carolina who endorsed bernie sanders. people are starting to realize he's the most electable when it comes to beating donald trump. that's what we must pay attention to. we can't have donald trump in office. >> howard dean, the former governor of vermont was on a few minutes ago. he was talking about -- he's a hillary clinton supporter.
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he talked about the great movement that bernie sanders has lead. he said i acknowledge that it's a powerful thing but it would be best if he would now take that energy and perhaps create some kind of, you know, an organization to channel all that energy. to channel folks like you who want change in the democratic party. can you see that as a plausible way to go? >> you know, i don't know and i'm not going to speak for bernie sanders and what bernie sanders. i know for myself as a bernie sanders supporter by going to convention we need to start talking about the fact, bernie sanders does win in every national poll against donald trump. that's the fact. and we have to start paying attention to that. so regardless of what happens in california today, everyone should vote. regardless of what happens, we should go to convention that's something that the dnc needs to pay attention to.