about what's happening right now, three families are having to get the worst news ever. six to nine more potentially wounded. one of whom, we're told, is in critical condition. all of this happening on a normal wednesday night. people were out to dinner with their families. >> that's right. on the other hand, that's always the case. israel is a country that has, over its history, had these spasms of violence that sometimes last years. and what's remarkable is how quickly the area recovers and people go about their live says as normal. i wouldn't be surprised within one hour, at the sarona market, if they're all back in the restaurants and eating there. that's what happens there. >> one of our reporters just said that they're calling on the public now to get back to normal business, because unfortunately, it's become all too common. let's just reset here for our viewers just joining us. it is 4:00 eastern time, it is 11:00 p.m. in israel, in tel

aviv. we are covering breaking news out of tel aviv. three people killed in what authorities there are calling a mass shooting at an outdoor market area, restaurants, shopping mall. we've learned that several others, potentially six to nine people have been wounded. one of them reportedly is in critical condition at the hospital. and then various reporters telling us that two people, two suspects responsible for the shooting have been apprehended or are somehow detained by police. we're getting conflicting reports about whether one of those shooters is, in fact, deceased. but at this point, we've not confirmed. we've just learned that two shooters were stopped and that reports of a third shooter potentially on the loose, police now saying that's not true. they have ruled that out. they said the situation is under control now and they're urging calm. joining me from the scene again in tel aviv is our producer on

the ground, paul goldman. what more have you learned at this hour? >> hi. yeah, i just spoke to sarah, who looked very shaken up, with tears. and she told me that she was sitting a few feet from where the shooting happened, and she noticed -- she was telling me she noticed two suspicious people, really well dressed, suits, which was a bit strange to her, at the scene in the market where it's a pretty casual place, and they were walking with some sort of bag in their hand, and a couple of seconds after she saw them, and she thought in her head about how suspicious they looked. then she heard the gunfire and she ran to take cover. so that's an eyewitness, and as well we are seeing one more wounded, very likely being taken

away from the scene. and as martin fletcher said a few minutes ago, life is back to normal here. streets are now opening up that were closed for the past hour. and people are back in the restaurants eating and drinking, so it's sort of back to usual here. pretty fast. >> it is incredible to americans, i think, how quickly that transition can happen. i've just been given a translation of the mayor of tel aviv speaking to reporters a short time ago, saying -- and this is roughly translated, we will continue with our lives in tel aviv. the city is a symbol for continuation of daily life. and paul, to your point, that's what the israelis want. they want to show if indeed this was an act of terrorism, they want to show that they will survive it. >> that is always the call that you will hear from any official, right after a terror attack, the

first thing they will say, we're asking everyone to go back to normal life. that's the reality here. >> paul, do we know any more about the weapons used? we were speaking to our colleague from itn who said there were reports about the type of guns used? >> no, sorry, the police are very tight about giving information. and now passing by me right now, another girl is crying and looking very shaken up from probably what she saw only an hour ago. >> yeah, it's hard to imagine what that must have been like. they describe it as just a very sudden opening fire. >> yes. totally. it just crossed in her head how suspicious these people looked. >> does she remember them saying anything? paul, did she remember them saying anything? >> no, nothing. they weren't talking or saying

anything. >> paul goldman, our nbc producer on scene in tel aviv. paul, keep us posted, flag us if there's anything else new coming out of the scene. martin and ayman, again, for me, as an american, it's difficult to understand how quickly they can transition back to calling for normality. but by the same token, you can understand why. you can understand why the israelis would want to make a point of not being defeated. >> well, you know, yes, and not only is it making a point socially, if you like, on the scene, continuing with your daily life, but we heard earlier that the defense minister had called for an emergency meeting in his office, which literally is about a hundred yards from this place. so this new right-wing government presumably this will be the first test for the new defense minister. and it will be interesting to see whether he actually orders any kind of retaliation or anything.

what they normally do is find out who the attackers are, and then they're likely to go to those people's home village and order the destruction of their homes. they may well destroy the homes of these two attackers, which would put their families out in the street. that's like the first reaction of the government. the question is whether they'll do anything else. i mentioned whether they'll increase the number of palestinians given work permits to come into tel aviv. now there will definitely be a call from the government to stop them, to stop more permits being issued. so that will be the test of what this attack means in tel aviv. but the immediate result always there is going to be get life back to normal. and it's quite extraordinary how they do that. this now is an attack of, apparently three killed and six to nine wounded. not a large damage to property, when you have a huge bombs on buses in israel, in tel aviv, in jerusalem, which kill sometimes

a dozen or two dozen people, dead, and many more wounded. it's extraordinary. within 45 minutes, you walk by that street and you wouldn't know there had been an attack. all the debris has cleared away. the people are lining up, waiting for the buses. so it is a country, unfortunately, with tremendous experience with terror and trauma, but it doesn't mean that the personal trauma that the people suffer is in any way not existent. you know, there's three dead, six to nine wounded, that means there's a ripple effect on the number of families harmed, friends afraid, business drops, obviously. so there is a serious impact on society, but hithey hide that impact very well. >> and ayman, if history is any guide, when there's an attack like this, do palestinian groups come forward and say anything? are we likely to hear from anyone associated with the attackers? >> palestinian groups have a long history of claiming credit for the attacks that they carry

out. there are many factions over the course of the last several years, in terms of what israel has been able to do in the west bank, and preventing hamas from getting further into israel beyond the tunnels that are on the border. those groups tend to claim that responsibility, but as i was saying, because israel has been able to disrupt a lot of activities, particularly in the west bank, we're seeing in the last year or so, as you mentioned, the lone wolf type of attacks. and so it will be interesting to see if there is a claim of responsibility, as we were hearing earlier, there's an element of sophistication to this, that weapons were used, how they acquired those, if they were brought in from an area. for example, the bus stop shooting. the initial weapon was a gun, but once they killed the israeli soldier, took his weapon and went on a shooting rampage.

that's not the case here, but there's always this moment where there will be a collective punishment against the west bank as large. as martin was saying, you're going to see perhaps the homes of these attackers destroyed and that's going to have an impact on the local population, the extended family. there's always that sigh of, here we go again. here is going to be another round, if you will of escalation. keep in mind, this has been going on for a long time. so it's not just because we're focusing on this one attack that suddenly this cycle is beginning. in the context of what has been going on, in israel, in the occupied west bank, this has been developing now for close to a year with ups and downs, depending on the violence. but as we were saying, the fact that this brought weapons into the picture, that it was in tel aviv, not necessarily different than what we've seen in the past. but in the context of the past several months, it's an escalation. >> with us now on the phone is ron campayas, washington bureau

chief for the jewish agency. are you there? >> yes, i am. >> you're based in washington, but reporting for a newspaper back in israel. first of all, i don't know if you have any reporting, or if you've been able to talk to people in tel aviv, if you want to offer us any information that we may not know. but secondly, i would put the same question to you that we've been talking about on the set, about the context, and what this will mean. it's 11:00 at night in israel, what happens tomorrow morning when the sun rises? >> the israelis are going to want to know who is behind this. a lot of your speakers have said this is essentially an escalation. it's been called a stabbing intifada with young people supposedly motivated from incitement and motivation from facebook and twitter, going out and doing it on their own. this is an organized attack. these are people who are dressed alike, using some kind of guns,

and they're attacking jointly. so that means that there's a group behind it. people want to know which group it is, which group is going to claim responsibility. and in the past, this has happened when the organizations who are prevalent in the palestinian areas. it could be hamas. it could be islamic jihad, see an action getting out of their hands. they see that the people are in front of them, in a sense, and seen that with the stabbing intifada and they want to take control and you have an escalation. so the next thing is how does the israeli government respond to that escalation. >> and given what you know about the government that's seated right now, does this become a significant attack that draws condemnation from all over the worldnd becomes a turning point, or what do you see? >> well, i think there's going to be a lot of condemnation from all over the world.

you have lieberman has defense minister, all eyes are on him. he's been criticized or undercut by his critics. [ inaudible ] -- remains to be seen help his predecessor of chief of staff, a lieutenant general. avigdor liberman was never anything more than corporate. he's not a native israeli. in the past, the pattern has been that politicians who don't have a military background, tend to go stronger in their response than politicians who do have a military background. >> ron, washington bureau chief with the jewish telegraphic society, thanks so much for joining us, appreciate it. let me turn to yoni, director of international relations. his team of paramedics helped get some of those victims that

we're talking about to the hospital tonight. yoni, i understand you're based in jerusalem, but again, it was your teams that were called in? >> yes. in the tel aviv region, responded to the scene about an hour and 42 minutes ago. the area is described as a main pedestrian area with a lot of shops and a lot of them open, market. we have used our emergency cycles with paramedics and emts in order to arrive quickly in the narrow alleys to the casualties who were spread around in a relatively big area in this facility. began treating them, brought them to the mobile intensive care units and the ambulances, and they were taken to the nearby hospital in tel aviv very

rapidly. most of them were severely injured by gun shots, penetrating injuries, and they received live-saving treatment at the scene and en route to the hospital. our blood services, at the same time, have supplied additional blood supplies to the hospitals in the area. in order to make sure they have sufficient amount of blood. and eventually after a short while, less than 20 minutes, 11 patients were in the hospitals of the tel aviv area. unfortunately, the death of three of them was pronounced later in the hospitals. >> so you say, 11 patients total, three among them deceased now. so eight who are injured in some way. >> yes, and they're already -- some of them are already on

surgery. and there are severe penetrating injuries from this attack of gun shots. >> can i clarify one more thing with you, yoni? you said, when your emt teams approached the area, you said it was a spread-out area, it was victims -- it sounded like you meant there were victims in a lot of places. was it one restaurant, or several restaurants? or what kind of area are we talking about? >> i can describe, it's kind of an open village, it's a very old area that was renovated and came to be an open market with food courts and shopping centers and people go out in the summer evening to have fun and to enjoy themselves with their families. >> were the casualties centered around one place in particular? >> inside, it's only for

pedestrians. >> were the casualties centered around one restaurant or one place in particular, or did these two gunmen spray bullets for a great distance? >> the casualties were in several locations in that area. and those that were able to run away, were found hiding in another -- other places where our emergency medical teams and the police were checking the entire premises, in order to make sure that nobody -- no one of the injured people was left behind, hiding somewhere. but there were about three, four, maybe five different locations with injured people. >> understood, understood. yoni yagodovsky, thank you for

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>> yes, i have a business meeting here. when i listen, shooting of a machine gun, not a gun. and i am in my past, i run inside to the noise they listen and i find in the market restaurant. i get to help them, but i cannot

do nothing because the police and the security cannot -- didn't come. and that's what i see. >> that was a witness describing what he saw just about an hour and 20 minutes ago in tel aviv, israel, describing the scene at sarona market, an outdoor eatery area and market, where two gunmen apparently came in with guns blazing and shot and killed three people, wounding up to eight others. although nbc has not yet verified the number of those injured. but we spoke with a member of the emt team that helped with those injured, who said that there were eight who have been injured. we've also gotten reports from police that one of the injured is in critical condition. we will continue to follow this breaking news in tel aviv, the reaction to what israeli authorities are calling a terrorist mass shooting. but for now, we'll switch subjects and i will continue and

toss over to my colleague, peter alexander. peter? >> kate, thank you very much. as she said, we'll keep a close eye on the situation still developing in israel now, but we do move on to some domestic headlines, of course that's the general election, now officially five-plus months away. it's kicked off between donald trump and hillary clinton, that fight for the white house. the fall-out over donald trump's controversial comments about a federal judge's mexican heritage is still haunting the presumptive nominee, even after he gave, what was described by many as a toned-down speech from a teleprompter last night. some republicans still uneasy about supporting trump. earlier today, senator jeff flake called my colleague hallie jackson, there's still time for trump to pivot. >> you always hope that he'll change, you hope to see that pivot. we've all been waiting for donald trump 2.0, hasn't arrived yet, but there's time between now and november for him to change his positions.

and i hope he does. >> when does that window close for you? >> you know, i don't know. it's difficult to say. it's become more difficult over the past week to believe that he is going to change. but he's going to need to. there's a big difference between winning a primary and winning a general. >> at this point, the arizona senator jeff flake has not endorsed donald trump. meanwhile, after picking up four wins last night, including california, hillary clinton solidified her position as the presumptive nominee for the democrats. clinton now with the majority of pledged delegates, but that's not stopping senator bernie sanders. after winning north dakota and montana, sanders again promised to keep fighting for the nomination. >> next tuesday, we continue the fight in the last primary in washington, d.c. [ cheers and applause ] and then we take our fight for

social, economic, racial, and environmental justice to philadelphia, pennsylvania! [ cheers and applause ] >> right now, sanders is flying home to burlington, vermont. the senator is reportedly holding discussions in flight with his top advisers about how the campaign should move forward. all of this, of course, as we learn that sanders is gonna meet with president obama. that's going to take place tomorrow at the white house. nbc's luke russert is on the hill right now where reaction keeps pouring in. luke, let's begin by talking about a brand-new u gov online poll to do with trump's comments about the federal judge. 57% of those asked said trump should not have said what he said about curiel, that hx mexican heritage made for a conflict of interest in the trump u. case. but a majority of americans, 51% describe the comments as racist. are you getting a sense that that, the impact of those

comments is still affecting a lot of members of congress right now, and that's why we're seeing this? >> they are, for a few reasons. there was a real expectation that the donald trump campaign would have been professionalized, either by bringing in paul manafort, or just donald trump acknowledging that he has to respect his one-time competitors, a lot of the folks who are already elected now, as well as the institution that is the rnc. but it's clear and worrying to a lot of members here, that donald trump is going to do things his own way, peter. i want to read some comments he just said to "time" magazine about this kerfuffle that he's having with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, saying, quote, this is about ryan and mcconnell's criticism of him regarding those comments about the judge. i was disappointed and surprised. i had just won more votes than anyone in the history of the party, so i was a little bit surprised when they said that. i didn't think it was necessary,

but, you know, they have to say what they have to say. i'm a big boy. they have to say what they have to say. sort of an it is what it is comment from donald trump. but paul ryan this morning, had his first meeting with the house gop conference since he made that endorsement last week, peter, and he said that he's going to continue to speak his mind when he needs to, but it's important for the party to unify, that he's still supportive of donald trump and unity ahead of november was the best thing for them to do. >> luke, thank you very much. still to come, bernie sanders vowing to fight till the convention in philadelphia, but with the math stacked against him. what does he hope to achieve here? politico says he only has himself to blame for where his campaign now stands. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"

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>> more now on this deadly shooting in tel aviv. three dead, several wounded as a result of a mass shooting that took place within the last hour

or so in an upscale shopping district in tel aviv itself. one of our colleagues is in tel aviv right now, one of our correspondents with itn. there were two shooters believed involved. a third suspect, at this point, we're told, has been found. what more information do you know about the status here and the situation on the ground? >> the latest from the police is, they are declaring this incident as now over. they say there are no further suspects that they are looking for. this incident unfolded in an area of downtown tel aviv, a place called the sarona market, a culinary market, a fashionable, newly developed area, very popular with tourists and people who want to come and have a nice night out. that will be a shocking thing for a lot of israelis. two shooters were involved, two young men from hebron, both from the same family, both are in

police custody, one of them, i'm told, is wounded. reports are that one or both of them were dressed as ultra orthodox jews and that they fired one or two homemade weapons, emptied the magazine, in fact, into a crowd of people at the market, injuring nine individuals, three of whom are now dead. >> so, to be clear, you said they were dressed as ultra orthodox jews. we've heard other reports that they were dressed very well, to fit in in an upscale neighborhood, so it seems there's some conflict about what they did in terms of a disguise to accomplish this terrorist mission. >> reporter: it's a very kind of relaxed atmosphere in the sarona market, very multi cultural area, very multi cultural experience. the unconfirmed reports that

they were dressed somehow in disguise seem to be unnecessary, gin the kind of atmosphere they're at and where the shooting happened. but unconfirmed reports are that the attackers were dressed as ultra orthodox jews, or you say, very smartly. two other significant things about this attack, and there have been many attacks by palestinians on israelis in the last six or seven months. one is the location, downtown tel aviv, a long way from the traditional points of friction in the west bank and jerusalem, where most of the stabbing attacks have taken place. and the second significant difference is exactly that. most of the attacks in this period of violence have been attacks with knives. this is with firearms, homemade firearms albeit, but a very dangerous escalation, if indeed firearms, as they appear to have been, were used here.

>> thank you very much. we'll check back in with you as we learn more information throughout the course of this hour. but for the moment, we want to return to politics. >> i am pretty good in arithmetic, and i know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight, but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate. [ cheers and applause ] >> there he was, overnight in santa monica, california, not ready to give up just yet as hillary clinton is the party's presumptive democrat presidential nominee. been chasing these folks across the country and back is kasie hunt, most recently covering the clinton camp. you have sources on all sides here, kasie. give me a sense, what are we hearing inside the clinton campaign about this effort to try to unify the party quickly after her win last night? >> hi, peter. well, at this point, it's still a little bit of a wait and see game with bernie sanders

himself. and there's been so much attention lately about what exactly is it that bernie sanders wants. that's become a sort of, so far, unanswerable question surrounding this. he's been very insistent that he wants to be president of the united states, or rather, the democratic nominee anyway, and there's nothing else he'll entertain before that. i will say, i spent several months on the road with bernie sanders. and his campaign was one of the most candidate-drink that i have ever covered. we always say the tone is set at the top, but candidates have different ways of dealing with their staff, of delegating. this is one where sanders himself is really deeply involved in the day-to-day details. he's deeply aware of perceived slights in the media, when debbie wasserman schultz made comments he perceived to be egregious. he was involved in how that response played out.

so i don't think we'll get an answer about what he's going to do until we hear from him. he and his wife jane will be in vermont as they stop and take some time to kind of chew over there. i will say, one person who seems to have recognized the way that approaching sanders might be the most fruitful, could be joe biden. take a look at what he said today. >> is it time for bernie sanders to drop out of the race? >> be a little graceful. let the man have his own. >> do you think the party can unite? >> joe biden urging a little bit of grace from democrats. of course bernie sanders and barack obama set to meet at the white house on thursday. we'll see if it turns out that the president here is a peace maker and whether or not bernie sanders is willing to get on board here. still, i think, some questions about what kind of role he might be interested in playing throughout the course of the summer and then in any potential hillary clinton administration, if it came to that. peter? >> president obama with some history at some of these tougher

conversations from eight years ago this time, he comes at it from a very different position, as the commander in chief. kasie hunt in new york for us. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> there's also a new politico report that says the sanders campaign has no delusions of where they stand. alex is a reporter at politico, also the pride of the san francisco bay area, my home as well. good to see you here. >> thank you. >> the piece you write is called "inside the final days of bernie's revolutions." it reads, top sanders aides admit that it's been weeks, if not months since they themselves realized he wasn't going to win. so at this point hillary clinton has clinched a majority in votes, in pledged delegates and in total delegates. what does sanders see as his role right now? >> well, look, you know, you really get the sense, in coming off kasie's report there, that this campaign is in the gradual process of winding its way down, but, you know, look, there's a lot that's on the table here, there's a lot that sanders can still try to influence,

particularly at the convention, when you have the platform that's going to be drawn up. sanders wants to have influence over these things and you can bet he's going to have a lot of conversations. this is probably going to come up in his conversation with president obama tomorrow in the oval office. so it's going to be interesting to watch all of this over the next week. >> so who is sort of the sanders' whisperer here? is he ignoring the wisdom of his staff? is it his wife jane that can best identify, here's what i think needs to happen? a lot of people, the conventional wisdom was that she was the one pressing him forward, but we're hearing from inside that that may not be the case anymore? >> yeah, look, he's got a small team. he's got jeff weaver, tad devine, this is a candidate who really relies very much on himself. he's the candidate who -- he's the one who decided to take the fight to debbie wasserman schultz, to call hillary clinton

unqualified, who's made a number of very bold decisions over the last few weeks, that have set this campaign on its current trajectory. so it's really the candidate who will make the decision in terms of how he wants to proceed. >> you can imagine how difficult it is to make this decision, given the adulation he's experienced over the course of the last so many months. this is a person who was rarely on television in the past, and now was like a staple of national tv interviews over the course of the last year. i want to ask you about tad devine. when they say we're hurting the democratic party, we believe we're helping it. what do they mean by that? >> well, the sanders campaign firmly believes there's a segment of the democratic party that is unexcited about hillary clinton and that may not vote for her in a general election against donald trump. so even by being in the race,

they are motivating these voters who may stay home otherwise in november. so this is going to be an important question that bernie sanders is going to have to face. what role does he want to play in the general election? how hard does he want to hit the campaign trail on behalf of hillary clinton? does he want to support her and promote her on the trail, or does he want to attack donald trump? those are two very different things, but are things that he needs to think about as he decides whether or not to wind this campaign down. >> yeah, that conversation actually fits with something, i just got off the phone with a republican strategist a few minutes ago. while the c-- they say the vote intensity has shifted to a plus six for the democrats with so much of that energy, and intensity on the side of liberals and moderates in the democratic party right now. politico's alexizen stat, always

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fundraisi fundraising. >> $2 million? >> yes, he also won the primary without needing much money. >> and he said in the past he was going to raise a billion dollars for the rnc and himself, now he says he doesn't think he needs to raise anywhere near that much because he gets so much free media. >> a lot of polls show people believing the country is going in the wrong direction. >> he's the change? >> he's the change. hillary clinton is the obama-endorsed candidate, not a new face. that's trump's biggest argument. if you're a bernie sanders voter, we need a transformative, new kind of voter, hillary's the old stock condition, i'm a new stock candidate. >> when it comes to the advantages among african americans and latinos, you can see how far ahead hillary clinton is right now. latinos, 68% to 20 over donald

trump. that's a 48-point advantage. mitt romney lost, i think it was 71-27 four years ago. so obviously donald trump needs to grow in that area. but dem graphically, where are his advantages, especially as yesterday there was a big appeal to bernie sanders' folks, the folks that may not fit into some of these categories we talk about. >> two points. independents. bernie sanders' independents are not party aligned. some of them have liberal party views. that's one challenge. the other thing is, mitt romney won the white male vote, but the numbers so far show hillary is doing worse among white men than any other modern candidate. that's the place where donald trump can run up a big margin. that said, you can't lose minority voters like he is now, and still be president. that's a big, big gap for trump. >> as we said a couple decades ago, the white population, 83%

of the voting population. this time around, closer to 70%. a lot more minority voters in this country. nice to see you, appreciate it. >> thank you. we also want to move on now to trurchl's general election strategy. we want to bring in amy holmes and josh barrow. nice to see you both. amy, ladies first here at msnbc. >> oh, well, thank you. >> chivalry is not dead. [ laughter ] we saw a different trump last night. he used a teleprompter. he stuck to the script. the only fumble was when he left the teleprompter aside and looked directly at the cameras. he's promising a big speech on the clintons probably monday. which trump will we see moving forward? and can the trump we see last night be a winner? >>, you know, the ever elusive pivot that we've all been talking about this entire campaign season. donald is going to be donald. and you're going to still hear

bluster, bombast, and attacks. remember, both donald and hillary have the highest negatives ever polled, at least according to "the washington post" in the history of two primary potential nominees for either party. if you listen to donald trump, as he told his surrogates on monday, i've always won and i'm going to keep winning because that's the way it is. he did lay out a 15-state strategy with some surprising candor, saying he's only going to focus on those states where he can make a difference. he's not going to red states. he's going to purple states. we'll see if that's successful moving forward. >> he also spent time in california. very few people think that qualifies as a purple state right now. josh, i want to ask you about this clinton speech that we anticipate to hear from donald trump in the days ahead. my colleagues and i have been doing some reporting. folks inside the campaign say the clinton foundation will be one of the key items they want to talk about right now.

what do you make of this right now, hitting the clintons, trying to relitigate past scandals and controversies? is that a winning strategy? people who have strong feelings about the clintons on those issues are probably already voting for donald trump. >> i think it depends on how he does it. he spent a while trying to revive rumors of the suicide of vince foster, even though it was extensively researched in the 1990s, it's clear vince foster killed himself, there was not a conspiracy around it. so when trump raises things like that, it makes him look like another conspiracy nuts and i don't think that activates people. that said -- >> the point is, that stuff was 25 years ago, so there's a whole audience that doesn't have familiarity with these issues with the clintons. >> and he talked about the clinton foundation and the idea that they have untoward financial relationships.

this is very similar to a line that has worked well for bernie sanders, talking about hillary clinton's receipt of speaking fees from goldman sachs. i think you can use a sub set of controversies around the clintons to build this narrative that hillary clinton has conflicts of interest, links to special interests, that she owes favors to because she has financial relationships with them, or her foundation has financial relationships with them. so i think that's a better line for him. the question is, does he have the discipline to stick to that, or throw around a vast array of things that might have been in e-mail forwards if we had that 25 years ago. >> amy, what is your single best piece of advice to him in these days and weeks ahead? clearly he's trying to get back on the offensive. >> i would say his best piece of advice would not to be throwing out these attacks on americans, alienating constituencies that he needs to win.

we know he's rolling out the crooked hillary both for his supporters and moderates and independents, who, as we know hillary clinton has very bad numbers when it comes to trustworthiness. i would tell him to keep hitting that point home. but right now, he's campaigning as archie bunker meets dennis the menace. i would tell him to drop it. >> great comments. josh and amy, nice to see both of you. straight ahead, more on the breaking news we're following at this hour. the latest on the mass shooting in tel aviv. three dead. police saying they have found who they believe to be the only other suspect. we'll have the latest coming up. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing to the world from seaplanes topace planes, across the univer and beyond.

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the white house says president obama is holding off on endorsing hillary clinton for president, until after this critical meeting with bernie sanders. obama plans to sit down with sanders at 1600 pennsylvania avenue tomorrow. nbc's ron allen already waiting for them. he's at the white house right now. what are we anticipating will happen behind closed doors? >> peter, this should be quite a day tomorrow. best described as a gesture that president obama is making.

senator sanders requested this meeting. today the white house has been saying that the president is going to thank senator sanders for the campaign that he's won. he's going to congratulate him. he's going to say that he highlighted certain issues and energized a lot of voters. we think the president will also say that he's earned the right to go out on his own terms. but it's clear that the president believes that hillary clinton is the nominee. he said as much in his statement last night, and this meeting perhaps book ends senator sanders' visit to the white house several months ago, when he asked the president to stay neutral and not put his thumb on the scale as the primary season went on. the president didn't do that and he'll perhaps remind senator sanders of that. one other note, the white house is saying they will not rule out the possibility that the president will go out on the campaign trail before the convention starts. we know that he's anxious to get

out there. so there may be more on that tomorrow, as to exactly when the president might be out on the campaign trail after this essentially gesture of courtesy to senator sanders. nbc's ron allen's at the white house for us. ron will be down there tomorrow anchoring this show at 4:00 tomorrow from the north lawn. that's going to do it for this hour on msnbc. i'm peter alexander of course here in washington, d.c. we hope you will stay with us. "mtp daily" begins right now. ♪ ♪ if it's wednesday, it's planes, trains, and automobiles. how will sanders land his campaign plane? can trump get his train back on track and how fast can clinton make the turn on the road to november? this is "mtp daily," and we're speeding to start right now.