out there. so there may be more on that tomorrow, as to exactly when the president might be out on the campaign trail after this essentially gesture of courtesy to senator sanders. nbc's ron allen's at the white house for us. ron will be down there tomorrow anchoring this show at 4:00 tomorrow from the north lawn. that's going to do it for this hour on msnbc. i'm peter alexander of course here in washington, d.c. we hope you will stay with us. "mtp daily" begins right now. ♪ ♪ if it's wednesday, it's planes, trains, and automobiles. how will sanders land his campaign plane? can trump get his train back on track and how fast can clinton make the turn on the road to november? this is "mtp daily," and we're speeding to start right now.

♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chuck todd here in new york. welcome to "mtp daily," a wednesday after the final big primary night, the big day after. lot to get to in the presidential race. but we are going to start with the latest on what was breaking news, that had been unfolding over the last few hours in tel aviv. we're learning more about the attackers who opened fire at a market earlier tonight. three people were killed, several more wounded at the shopping area in the heart of the city, near the israeli defense ministry office. two attackers were captured and have been identified as members of the same palestinian family, both in their 20s. their names have not yet been released. authorities say reports of a third attacker, though, were false. joining me by phone from tel aviv is our producer there, paul goldman. so paul, i know things are better now. we're seeing an earlier photo of a lot of police action. is everything back to normal,

whatever that is tonight? >> yes, here in israel, things go back to normal pretty quickly. i arrived at the scene about 20 minutes after the shooting started. i saw tens of armed policemen running frantically to the scene and ambulances arriving as well. in the usual time, this outdoor and indoor market is packed with people eating and drinking. the police cordoned off with red tape the place where the two armed men shot about 11 people and killed the three israelis. i spoke with sarah, who was an eyewitness, who told me she was sitting with her friend on the grass, only a few feet from where the shooting happened. she told me she saw two well dressed men walking with bags, and that she felt they were suspicious right away. a few seconds later, she heard the gun shots and ran for cover in a nearby restaurant. now the police have declared the event all over and life is going back to normal with police opening up the traffic jams and

with people going back to eating and drinking. >> now, i know that they haven't released the names of -- other than to say that the two attackers were related. is there more to this? was this something that was planned? was there any warnings, or this was something that just authorities did not see coming? >> police chief -- tel aviv's police chief at the scene told reporters that they had no warnings of this happening. he confirmed that. and now we know that one of the terrorists is wounded and is in surgery and the second one is still alive and is interrogated right now. so that's what we know. like you say, they come from the hebron area, same family. and that's the details until now. >> paul goldman, our producer on the ground for us, thank you

very much. >> let me bring in martin fletcher. when i first saw the news, i said, it's the mid '90s, and you said, no, is it 2001? but either way, anybody that's spent a lot of times following the israeli/palestinian issue know it's awfully familiar. >> it's awfully familiar. there's been lone wolf stabbing attacks against jews and that was different, because in the past, it was suicide bombs, attacks against buses, shootings. the palestinians themselves were beginning to call the third uprising, a different kind of violence. >> a third intifada? >> uprising means intifada, but everyone's holding back from that. nobody wants to say that. >> everybody's been hesitant to use that word. >> precisely because it's mostly lone wolf stabbings, other than organized attacks. >> you brought up stabbing. this is obviously more lethal. they had arms and this is what

we hadn't seen in what has been a slow build-up of more violence? >> there has been a slow build-up of more violence, but there have been other shooting attacks. in january, two israelis were shot dead in january by an israeli arab, not a palestinian from the west bank, but by an arab from northern israel. so this is what israel fears, the police chief may have said they didn't have any warning, but this has been building up and everyone's been afraid that knives would be replaced by guns and bombs. >> how do you expect the israeli government to react? >> well, it's interesting, because they always call each new government that's remember toed in israel is called the most right-wing government in israel's history. we're saying that again about this government. lieberman, the new defense minister. he was in his office when the attack happened, which is about 150 yards away from where the attack happened. it happened right opposite the israeli military defense headquarters in tel aviv.

so now there's an emergency meeting going on to decide how to respond. in the end, they'll blow up the homes of the attackers. >> i think the key development, the security chiefs of israel, in order to stop these kinds of attacks, counterintuitively if you like, wanted to increase the number of palestinians given work permits in tel aviv. >> why is that? >> the thinking being that if they're working, they'll be happy, and there will be fewer attacks. >> so now it will be shut the border, keep it tougher, that's been the m.o. of this netanyahu government, in whatever iteration it's in? >> absolutely. give them credit. after the fighting in gaza, there was three years of relative quiet. it's been the last nine months or so. >> where are the palestinian attackers coming from, more from the west bank or gaza? >> they're almost not coming from gaza at all, because they can't get out of gaza.

>> this is all from the west bank? >> west bank. >> which has to be more disconcerting to israelis? >> it's very disconcerting, especially when it reaches the heart of tel aviv, which is to an extent, adistance away -- >> tel aviv has always felt protected for some reason. it's not, but it feels that way? >> yeah, the last time i saw you, we were in tel aviv. it's a laid-back coastal city looking west to europe, rather than east toward the arab world. this is why it's going to be such a shock in israel. sarona market, where this took place, is a lovely upmarket, upscale area. >> but knowing israelis, it will be back to normal. >> it will be back to normal now. the city that never sleeps, so they say. >> sorry we're seeing you this way. thanks for coming on. of course we'll keep our eyes on

that, but let's turn to politics here at home and the presidential general election officially is now under way. election day is exactly five months from today. and donald trump has squandered a five-week head start on hillary clinton, and he squandered it in spectacular fashion. unity is everything in the general election and right now it's the republican party that is seriously lacking it. with some republicans, even attacking the presumptive nominee as a racist. one senator has rescinded his support. but the democrats are now foaming the runway for the democrats to unify the party around hillary clinton. and understand ulanding this me apt, because sanders will land in burlington, vermont, shortly. he's likely to address supporters and the press corps there. clinton's put an exclamation point on her victory, her speech

a rally cry for unity. >> cooperation is better than conflict. unity is better than division. empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls. [ cheers and applause ] >> tonight i had a very gracious call from secretary clinton and congratulated her on her victories tonight. >> you may not think it from that crowd reaction, but the democratic party actually appears to be in a better position to unify than it was at this time eight years ago. first off, on the final night, on that final primary night, then, obama limped to the finish, losing four of the last six final primaries. clinton won four of the last six primaries last night. and look at the contrast between clinton's event on the final night in 2008 compared to

sanders' speech last night. we'll start with how clinton was defiantly introduced back in 2008, on that tuesday night. >> are you ready for her? are you ready for the next president of the united states of america! >> you have voted because you wanted to take back the white house. and because of you -- [ cheers and applause ] -- we won together, the swing states necessary to get to 270 electoral votes. >> our campaign from day one has understood some very basic points and that is, first, we will not allow right-wing republicans to control our government. that is especially true with donald trump as the republican candidate. >> sanders looks like he is coming in for a soft landing. his speech last night lacked its usual attacks on clinton.

he has spoken to both president obama and hillary clinton in the last 24 hours. he's meeting with president obama face to face tomorrow. and will also be meeting with harry reid as well. democrats that want to rally around clinton are clearly giving sanders time and space to wind down his campaign on his timeline, as long as that's in the next week, i think. today his first supporter in the house, raul gra halfa and his first supporter in the senate, jeff merkley, gave him the okay to hang it up. >> mr. vice president, can i ask you, is it time for bernie sanders to drop out of the race? >> be a little graceful. let the man have his own pace. >> do you think hillary clinton and him and come together and the party can unite? >> we were planning to speak first tonight with peter welch, but he got called into some votes, so we're hoping to hear from him now a little bit later this hour. i'm joined by clinton campaign press secretary, brian fallon. welcome back to the show.

>> hi, chuck. >> president obama is in new york city. >> yes. interesting my commute over here. >> and hillary clinton is in the suburbs of new york city right now, to my understanding. any chance the two of them will meet tonight? >> i'm not aware of any planned meetings. i think the president will be meeting with senator sanders tomorrow. we look forward to hearing how that meeting goes. i think that in general, we agree with the sentiments of vice president biden, which is that, i think there are good conversations last night between our campaigns, including at the principle level between secretary clinton herself and senator sanders. i think that you heard senate sanders acknowledge that conversation in his remarks last night. i think the tone of his remarks last night were such that we have confidence that in due time we'll be able to unite this party and focus on the general election. >> you feel better today about this than you did a week ago? >> i think so. yes. >> was there a time when you thought it could be harder? >> look, i thought people were overconcluding from some of the comments is that were made in the heat of the moment of the last couple weeks.

senator sanders was fiercing contesting states like california. when you're seeking votes, you have to be aggressive in outlining how you think you still have a viable path. but we can now have a moment of reflection, take stock in the campaign. and there's a mutual recognition that whatever happens, we have to work together to make sure donald trump doesn't occupy the white house. >> what do you owe bernie sanders? what does the campaign owe him? >> i think we owe him gratitude and acknowledgement of the tremendous campaign he's waged and the number of people he's brought into the party, the number of people he's registered, that probably would have sat out if we didn't have a competitive primary. we owe him an open hand and seat at the table and his supporters a seat at the table in the platform process in the lead-up to the convention next month. and i think we owe his supporters an opportunity to be a part of the campaign that hillary clinton has built over

the last several months. i think we owe him a focus on the issues that senator santers has highlighted throughout the course of the campaign. >> do you accept the premise that bernie sanders' candidacy kept hillary clinton focused on a more progressive agenda than perhaps she might have outlined? >> i don't think that you've seen any lurch to the left, if that's what you're getting at. i think that the campaign has hillary clinton has waged with the focus on issues of income inequality and how we can make the prosperity of this economy shared amongst all people, get wages rising again, ensure that wall street is properly regulated. i think these are all concerns that have animated her entire career. i think that senator sanders being part of this debate helped lift up this debate. and i think democratic issues have gotten a hearing more so than they would have because we had a contested primary. >> he's gotten 46% of the delegates. has he earned the right to be

vetted as vice president? >> i think hillary clinton will take an expansive look when it comes to considering a list of vice presidential candidates. she wants to look at men and women, people in elected politics and in the business world and outside of politics entirely. i think she'll take a wide look -- >> but has he earned the right to at least be considered? he's concerned that she's not going to name a progressive enough running mate. >> we are so in the early stages -- >> but does he deserve to be consulted on this? >> i'm sure she'll consider everybody. >> does he deserve to be consulted on it? >> i defer to john podesta, i'm going to speak on who they will consult as she makes her final decisions. >> i appreciate you coming in. congratulations. working on these campaigns is hard work and tireless and you might get a two-day respite.

>> it's been a lot of fun. it's a unique honor to work for secretary clinton and all of our people in brooklyn feel that way. >> thank you. >> lester holt will have a one-on-one interview with hillary clinton tonight on the nbc "nightly news." you'll see that on your nbc affiliate. coming up, donald trump claimed his party's nomination a month ago, but how badly has he squandered that head start? we'll discuss why republicans continue to hold back support for their presumptive nominee? . i am a lot of things. i am her best friend. i am her ally. so i asked abo adding on-daily namenda xr to her current treatment for moderate to severe alzheir's. it works differently. when add to anher it may improve overall function and cognition. and y slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. vo: namenda xr doesn't change how the disease progresses. it shouldn't be taken by anyone allergic to memantine,

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welcome back. we have the results from some of those down ballot contests and here are the four races of the day. first up, kamala harris and loretta sanchez, both democrats took the top two spots in the california senate jungle primary. so no matter what happens, california will replace barbara boxer with another female democratic senator.

what a statement that makes about the state of the republican party in california. by the way, they're either going to have an hispanic senator or an african american senator. especially when you consider that this, what may be a bit of a forewarning into the california 49th district, darrell issa won by fewer than six points. that's a very narrow margin in the jungle primary for what was believed to be a safe republican district. republican presidential candidates have run around 50% in the last two elections, but do the changing demographics impact him in 2016? darrell issa, how vulnerable is he? in november, we'll see the true scope of the increased registration numbers, especially among hispanics. to iowa, patty judge is the democrats' pick to take on chuck grassley. democrats are trying to make this one almost a referendum on the mayoric garland supreme court nomination.

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welcome back. there's no disputing that donald trump has squandered a five-week head start against hillary clinton in the general election. some are revolting against him, calling his remarks about a federal judge racist. calling for him to apologize. but he never apologizes. his version of cleaning up a controversy is to say he'll stop talking about it. just like with his birther

conspiracy theories four years ago. trump's been warned that he has three or four weeks to right the ship and calm the waters. senator jeff flake is opening warning about a possible convention mutiny. he's calling trump unelectable right now. senator susan collins of maine is another hold-out, voicing her opinions on trump several times on this show, and she joins me now. welcome back to the show. >> thank you, chuck. >> where are you on donald trump today? >> well, i find myself in a very difficult position because i have truly offended and indeed appalled at donald trump's latest remarks about the indiana judge. they really are of a different magnitude than his earlier transgressions, because they indicate a lack of respect for

the judiciary and for the separation of powers doctrine enshrined in the constitution. so i'm very troubled by those remarks. >> how troubled? is it to the point where party unity shouldn't trump your issues with him? >> like many americans, i'm struggling with the choices that we have this fall. we do not have any perfect candidates that i've been able to find so far, and i think this is going to be a difficult decision. i do believe that mr. trump does still have time to right the ship, to start acting presidential and to focus on the economy, where i believe that his message resonates and he has some good ideas. and if he does that, he may well

win my support. if he doesn't, it's going to be very difficult for me to support him. >> so he could still -- what he did, obviously you have problems with him and you're wondering if he will sort of accept the parameters of our constitution. he has said it took a while for him to discredit david duke. he began his campaign by referring to many mexicans in this country that come in here as rapists. he's had, as others have pointed, he's had three very unique and awful racially charged things that he's said. you're still willing to forgive that if he somehow pivots to the economy? >> well, no, i want more than that. i would like to hear him apologize for those remarks, reach out to people he's offended, stop insulting people's heritage or religion.

so the comments he made, that his remarks, were, quote, misconstrued, don't cut it for me. that's not an apology. that's not an acknowledgement that he made a mistake. so i would like to hear that as well as his focusing on the economy. i do agree with some of his positions, such as the fact that poorly negotiated trade deals have cost us jobs in this country, particularly in a state lake mi like mine. i think he's right. and i think that he would negotiate better deals when it comes to trade than what the other candidates. but i am deeply concerns and disturbed that he seems to have great difficulty in admitting when he's made a mistake and then apologizing. if he said, look, i was angry, i shouldn't have said that, i'm

upset at the rulings, that would be one thing. but to say that his remarks were misconstrued just isn't adequate. you served with hillary clinton and i know the women, you guys meet separately in a bipartisan way, mostly in social settings, but you try to create an environment where there isn't constant yelling at each other and back and forth and party polarization. personally, who can you imagine having an easier time working with? hillary clinton or donald trump? >> well, first of all, let me say that i can't answer that because i've never even met donald trump. i think it's odd that he hasn't come to speak to the republican senate caucus, but i've never even been in the same room with donald trump, whereas i do have a personal relationship with hillary. we did work well together when she was in the senate on causes

like alzheimer's disease. and i worked with her when she was secretary of state on the empowerment of women in afghanistan. so i do know her and i do have a very good relationship with her, and i can't make the comparison, because i've never even met donald trump. >> can you imagine voting for hillary clinton? or is that a bridge too far for you? >> that's unlikely, even though we work well and -- if she's selected as president, i'm sure we would work very well together. it is unlikely that i would vote for her. i'm not ruling anything out, but it's very unlikely. >> i know that it was a tense meeting of senate republicans yesterday, various things have been leaked out. but let me ask you this, is there an appetite among senate republicans to make one more run at the convention and to say, to go find another candidate, or are you resigned to the idea that it's trump or bust? >> well, i can't speak for my colleagues or what went on in

those private conversations, though nice try on that. but i will tell you that, for my part, donald trump has won the nomination, and i think there would be a rebellion if it were somehow maneuvered to take it away from him, so i just don't see that happening. i think he has still an opportunity, but a narrowing window of opportunity to set things right, and i hope that he will do so. >> and for you, that begins with an apology directly to the federal judge? >> i really think he needs to do that. >> senator susan collins, republican from maine, thank you for coming on. appreciate it. >> thank you, chuck. my next guest, congressman peter welch will join me to discuss bernie sanders's next step. we'll talk to him in a minute. we'll be right back. in reality they're not.

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>> and we are back. bernie sanders is still in the air, headed to his home state of vermont, and as we asked at the top of the show, just what kind of metaphor cal landing will it be for his campaign. i'm joined now by peter welsh, welcome back to the show, sir. so let me start with this. how soon would you like to see bernie sanders unite the democratic party around hillary clinton? >> well, i'd like to see us get united. it's going to be up to bernie and i think hillary's been very gracious in acknowledging what an extraordinary campaign he's run. and the question for bernie, it's not what he wants, it's what he's earned. and i think he's earned enormous respect. he wants respect for all of those millions of americans who voted for him -- 12 million. raised $200 million. and it's really because he electrified the democratic base by pointing out that this economy that we have, where

wages have been stagnant and huge profits have gone to the 1% was not an accident. it was a result of public policies and they have to be challenged and he energized people who challenged them. so it's a combination of hillary continuing to show support and respect for what he and his supporters have done and bernie finding a way where he can channel that energy to something that's durable and lasting. >> it was interesting, you said you feel as if hillary clinton has been gracious and that it's up to bernie sanders. >> no. >> are you concerned that he isn't there yet? >> well, i see, i think it's up to both of them. you know this better than anybody. there's a lot of elbows in the campaign and the supporters get upset because the person they really, really believe in came up short. so both of them have a big responsibility here. but here's what we know unites them. number one, defeating donald trump, but number two, they're unified in many fundamental ways on the issues of the stagnant

middle class. and hillary was successful in part because she embraced bernie's issues. it wasn't like she repudiated them. so as tough as it is with the competition of a campaign, when you're united in policy, you have a shot of coming out of this together. so. >> so it's a cooperative engagement between them. but bernie has a big job. there's so much heart ache in politics when you put your energy on the line, you inspire people to get involved, there's enormous disappointment and loss. and what the candidate has to do in that moment is what howard dean talked about. you've got to help young people to continue to be ideal being is it and not disappointed. >> do you think hillary clinton should use her running mate choice as a way to court and acknowledge the strong progressive movement that is inside the democratic party that bernie sanders tapped into? >> i really do.

i really do. because i think that what you saw in the sanders campaign, and to some extent, the hillary campaign as well was that people want this party to start fighting for middle income, working class people. it's an economic message that is broad-based. so having a candidate, a vice president that validates that message, i think would intensify the activity on our side. >> so in short, it should come from the progressive wing. it should be worn, shared, bernie sanders, one of those three, the biggest name in the progressive wing of the senate? >> you've named some big names, and there are others, but i think a progressive vice president would be helpful and wise. >> what role does president obama play in this? he's meeting with senator sanders. what do you think the senator wants to hear from the president? >> well, i think the senator is

going to hear from the president enormous respect for what he's accomplished. i just have no doubt about that. so i think president obama is going to sincerely and honestly say to senator sanders, how did you do it? because there hasn't been a campaign like senator sanders ran since president obama ran his first time. and then secondly, i think president obama clearly is going to be focused on beating donald trump and being really committed to having a democrat succeed him in the white house. so he's going to talk to obama as only another presidential candidate, in his case, successful can, about the heart ache, the loss, and the responsibility of leadership. >> is it time for bernie sanders to become a card-carrying member of the democratic party? >> well, you know, dream on. >> you don't think it will happen, huh? >> he'll do it in his own way, as he always has. but you know what's interesting. i knew him when he got elected

mayor in 1981. he was a socialist who beat a democrat by ten votes. you would have thought the sky was falling. but he demonstrated from the first day as mayor that he was very pragmatic. he was mayor when it snowed. he made sure the streets were plowed. he was focused on keeping property taxes low. he worked with developers about jobs and improving burlington. so he's done it his way and he's got an identity as an independent who alines with democrats and i suspect he'll continue that. >> you don't think the price of unity and a say at the convention is fill out the card? >> well, you know, harry reid worked with him. so he's found a way where he's been constructive and has been able to do it his way. >> congressman peter welch, democrat from vermont, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. still ahead, tom ridge and james mullen of allegheny university are going to join me, to discuss something that you may think doesn't exist anymore -- civility in politics.

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so plenty of signs that pointed to california being a close race between clinton and

sanders, but look at the tally. it became a surprising 13-point victory for clinton. a golden-state warriors level. and california looked like every other state that clinton did well in. it was lined up with two of her biggest strengths, a large hispanic electorate and densely populated cities. as you can see the map is much darker in southern california and around the big cities. compare that map to last night's results. clinton won almost all the counties with large hispanic populations. as we told you before, this is a common thing. except for alaska and hawaii, sanders did not defeat clinton in any state that was nor diverse as the nation as a whole. these are the most densely populated counties in california. essentially all of them won by hillary clinton except for one.

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a good day for america. too often the achievements of our opponents go unnoticed, so i wanted to stop and say congratulations. >> yes, civility in politics is eroding. but it's not lost. at least i hope not. >> it and mean spiritedness for spirited debate. >> it's always appropriate to question another man's judgment. it's never appropriate to question their motive because you don't know. >> senator john mccain and biden getting a prize for civility and public life just yesterday. the timing of this, frankly, you coming on, couldn't be better. it's not just what i saw in 2008, president obama called mitt romney in 2012 when he

clenched the nomination. bush called john kerry. gore and bush exchanged e-mails. this has been mark of american democracy in the modern error where the leaders of both parties acknowledge their opponents and wish them good luck. almost like boxers at the ring tapping gloves. that's gone. >> chuck, first of all, thank you for having us on. five years ago, the president and the board of trustees at alleghany and their student body said we need to shine the light on civility. the day that both secretary clinton and donald trump seize the nomination, we recognize john mccain. we recognize vice president biden, two tough fiery partisans when they need to be who are so incredibly respectful of one another as individuals and respectful of their differing points of view.

it was a important irony and hopefully not lost on the two candidate who is refuse to have the decency to call one another, congratulate them and game on. >> let me ask you this, is there a recipe, obviously, you want to shine a light on civility when it's there. is there a recipe for teaching civility in politics? >> it's about respect for individual dignitity. it's about being able to debate and discuss big ideas and not demonize the person that you're debating. it is about some very fundamental analysis. i wish you could have been there. young people who were there, students from alleghany said i think i may engage politics. i think i may go into public

life. that's the goal of the prize is to give them hope and inspire them. >> you know, secretary ridge, it's not surprising to me that you guys picked mccain and biden, these guys have been in politics a long time. the longer somebody's been in office, the more civil they get. that's something i've noticed. it's the newbies that come in with fire and passion and where interest groups egg them onto be uncivil. how do we stop that? >> i think there's a couple ways we try to remedy it. i think it will take some time. i think you have highlighted a couple important frames of reference. they need to understand and hopefully in time they will, it starts with political leadership at the top. i think some journalists could be helpful in this reward. we need to remind ourselves that

america is a wonderful collection of differences. they're ethnic, culture and differences of opinion. democracy thrives best when the focus is on the differing opinions and philosophies. we demean ourselves and we demean the process when the assaults are on character, on personality. we ignore the reality that government has to function. government has to work. when you address issues in a periphereal way, that the other candidate is flawed. for that reason the students and yesterday's sweet, rich moment with two strong part saisans wh respect and like each other, and you know they've had differences of opinions over the years, i think they should take a page out of their book.

>> did you -- this is a little cynical of me, sometimes punishing people that behave badly can be a better way to shine a spotlight than rewarding those we know are civil. have you thought about awarding the most uncivil politicians of the year and embarrassing them publicly, to be honest? >> when that thought has come up, we decided we'll focus on the positive. there's a lot of conversation out there about who is not behaving in a civil manner. we're trying to inspire young people. one of the things i saw yesterday that reminded me why identify always liked politics is the joy that senator mccain and vice president biden bring to public life. >> it's funny you bring up the word joy. i've had this conversation with many of my colleagues. i said there's no joy in this

campaign. that's a huge issue. what's frustrating to me is, you probably know this, most politicians, no matter how much they disagree, probably have more in common than they realize. >> well, they do. you asked do you punish people who choose to be uncivil. i think that what we've seen, at least within the republican party remains to be seen that people say this is unacceptable. the way you can show your displeasure is with hold your support. i think that's one of the big challenges that donald trump will have. >> you are with holding your support? are you going as far as supporting hillary clinton? >> i think they're both terribly flawed. i think america has better choices. way back in december, i told you it was an embarrassment to my party. when he threatened to run as a

third party, i'm sorry somebody didn't show him the door and say give it a shot. >> tom rich, james mullin, i thank you both. civility this politics is something we should focus on more and more today. we'll have more right after this. why do so many binesses rely on the us postal service? because when they sp with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce diveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you

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