has donald trump called you for advice or talked to you at all? first of all, you're giving some pretty good advice so far if you has. has he called and talked to you? >> no. no, he hasn't. no. >> no? >> not that i know of. no. >> do you think the republicans are happy with their choice? >> we are, but i don't know they feel. >> good morning. it is thursday june 9th. welcome to "morning joe." welcome, everyone. >> welcome, welcome, thank you for having me. >> willie. >> so polite. >> with us on set as you can see former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst

steve ratner. >> where is barnicle when i need him. >> from "huffington post," sam. >> one, two, three, sam. you guys have to help out here, one, two, three. >> sam. >> sam. >> how is this whole donald trump thing working out? >> capital hear you. no, can't hear a thing. i did soul cycle and i can't hear a thing. it makes you deaf. you may be deaf but you come out and you can't hear anything. >> because it's so loud? >> yes. i can't hear a thing? >> did you like it? do you feel more fit? >> they were screaming at me. >> that's because of joe. >> this guy in the middle he was jumping around and screaming. >> a lot of vegas club techno music. >> i will tell you what willie

and i hate about it when we go cycling, we had to get down from five to three because we're crazy about this. how many times when we're doing it do they tell us to put out the cigarettes. >> you can't. it's dark and they are screaming at you. >> as long as you're pedalling. >> at least smoking separately, back and forth. >> not my thing. >> not your thing? sam, have you done it? >> it's the hot they think. >> willie, have you? that's a mental image i don't want. >> you don't want it? it's hard. >> you ought to try it. >> willie and i do it. the smoking gets in the way. donald trump speaking out about the rebuke, the stern rebuke he got from top republicans. >> a lot of them are calling him racist chris sichl of a federal judge. i've been watching coverage, joe, as we're looking at tweets

trump tower presumptive nominee told "time" magazine he was disappointed and surprised by the leaders reactions. asked if they were being disloyal, trump said, i had just won more votes than anyone in the history of the party so i was a little bit surprised when they said that. i didn't think it was necessary. but you know, they have to say what they have to say. i'm a big boy. okay. while speaking at a conference in san francisco, former house speaker newt gingrich said trump made a really stupid mistake last week and took him about three days to learn. he also called trump an absurd amateur. >> therein lies the problem. we heard ben ginsberg say yesterday. this is his first campaign, doesn't excuse racist comments but he is an absurd amateur. the problem is this absurd amateur doesn't want to learn from anybody. he thinks he knows everything. willie, he doesn't think he needs advice.

>> the two clauses of the sentence don't connect, i won the most votes in the history of american history -- >> so you can make racist comments. >> you should still fall in line with -- >> what make are saying are racist comments. can we just be clear about something? there are racist comments that we can just call racist comments. i think we ought to be able to do that. it's sort of like using the word allegedly to cover themselves. why are people characterizing this as a racist columnist. journalist? >> we're not even talking about somebody who was a mexican, born in mexico. that was his first step, if you were born in mexico, pretty good chance you come to the united states you're a rapist or

murderer. now we're taking it a step further, if your parents are born in mexico, you're incapable of being fair and honest. >> even though you're born in indiana. journalists love to be careful -- >> to pretend to be objective? let's be smart. >> chuck, when you're saying that, i cannot think of a single person, other than donald trump, who has defended those comments and said they weren't racist comments, they were fine. >> there was a few surrogates who went on tv in the aftermath saying, in fact, it was racist to call them racist and president obama is racist. >> my teeth. >> i couldn't follow it to be honest. it was very difficult. what struck me about the defense of donald trump i guess is this. people are going out there and saying if he just, you know, stuck to script, if he just read off the teleprompter, more

seasoned as politician he would be fine. his actual world views are okay, we can stomach this as long as he acts well. that's so cynical and awful to say it's okay to have these issues about a judge so long as you don't say them publicly. >> the thing is, a muslim ban, religions test to get in the country, it's interesting to me there's an outrage about this mexican judge. >> there's a difference. >> there wasn't this level of outrage from everyone across the border. >> i agree with you. it's so funny. during trump's run when we predicted he would win and everyone got angry with us, they were talking about how horrible trump was because of his tax policy, because of planned parenthood, i didn't hear the outrage about the muslim ban to the degree i heard about this one judge.

when you're talking about banning 1.4, 1.5 people simply because of the god they worship, that's as un-american as anything he said, as un-american as what he said about this judge. i'm with you, willie, where was the outrage then? like we said on this show asking on this show when it first came out, is this like germany 1933, just as offensive, why not outrage from right and left. >> there was. >> not to this degree. >> it polled different. the public's attitude toward that comment is quite different than the public's attitude toward this comment. >> i've been thinking about this a lot. >> what does that mean? people that supported it are race is. so what? no, listen, i'm sorry. if you want to ban people from

coming to the united states of america because of god they worship, that is an inherently un-american belief. it cuts deep at the heart of what madison and hamilton and jefferson and franklin and george washington believed in when they set this country up. >> i am not and you are not -- you are not, we are not going to call donald trump supporters who responded to the muslim ban with support racists. we're not doing that. >> not calling them racists. >> i'm going to be careful. i will just say the muslim ban had a positive reaction among primary voters because it played on fears and we'll leave it at that. those fears may have been based on a lack of information. >> no, i think that's totally right. i also think you have to acknowledge that the universe of people paying attention or who mattered as voters in that mom is vastly different than what happens now. so i think i happen to agree

with you. i think it's incredibly crazy to think you would ban 1.4 billion people from coming to the united states because of their religion. >> because of the god they worship. >> arguably much more offensive on a grander scale than going after one federal judge. it's very difficult to understand why one sort of went by with, obviously people are upset, it didn't derail him and it is -- the only answer i can come across is the venue is different. >> looking at polls where the trump's judge comments racist, 51% say yes, 32% say no. 81% of democrats say yes, 10% say no 44 independent, 32, yes no. republicans 22 say yes they were racist, 65% say no. >> i think that's because they are associated with trump and know he's the nominee and name id. if it was anyone else, i think

those numbers would be very different. >> there was a poll that went up before that one and more interesting, the trump saying he had a right to say the judge had a conflict for being mexican. 57 wrong, 20% right. >> meek, i think you're onto it. muslim ban was kented to something. san bernardino had just happened, playing on the fear of american public. this is a civil lawsuit that impacts really only him and trump university and other people. >> and he lied. >> there's no core american question there, there's a question of his business. >> which lie in particular are you thinking of? >> wasn't his first comment he -- i don't even want to repeat his words but he was not truthful exactly about this guy's background. >> i just want to circle back around and get in trouble. >> okay. >> i was deeply disturbed throughout the republican primaries to see the high number of republicans who supported trump's muslim ban. i was disturbed, deeply

disturbed by the high number of republicans, people in my party during those early primaries say they actually wanted to ban mosques from the united states of america. let me look straight into the cameras so they can never be wiped clean and i can never back off of it because i never would anyway. that's un-american. that is every bit as un-american as people targeting southern baptist because they don't like southern baptist. that's every bit as un-american as people targeting jews because they don't like jews. that's every bit as un-american as people targeting catholics because they don't like catholics. there are a lot of conservatives, myself included, that say the catholic church has a right to push back on obama care when it comes to making catholic services provide contraception. that's up to the catholic church. i didn't hear those conservatives in unison as outraged at the prospects of banning 1.4, 1.5 billion muslims

from coming to this country as our united states constitution provides them the right to do, if they pass every -- you know, everything they need to pass for citizenship. >> so you were against it then and more vehemently and outspoken against it now. i think the reason because at this point, i think it was expected he would pivot. it was expected he would pull back. it was expected leaders in washington perhaps would have some impact on him and be a part of that, and you're not because you're weak and spineless and you're making a huge mistake, because this will end up hurting you. but anyhow, that's day trading which a lot of people do stupidly. then he doubles down on this sort of hatred and kind of roiling up fear and hate between ethnic groups by going after

this judge, just blurting it out, i'm going to protect myself by calling him mexican or whatever. now we're getting into an area that is a little sick. >> in the interview he goes, he's mexican -- >> jake tapper. >> he's mexican. that's like me saying to donald trump, you're scottish, not even american. >> tapper says, he's born in indiana. >> by donald trump's own definition he's not an american that can be trusted because his mother was born in scotland. >> well, we ought to look into that. that's frightening. good lord. let's think of all the stereotypes we could attach to that. no, let's not. it's dumb. >> really bad. >> do we really want our white house taken over by a bunch of red haired scotts. seriously. willie, what do you have do say?

>> the curiel family did it the right way, the way donald trump says he wants people to do it. he doesn't want people coming in here legally, he wants to build the wall, all these things are wrong. they did it the right way. they came in and their son became a prominent federal judge. that's what we're supposed to look up to. >> instead the republican nominee is attacking him. welcome to america, trump's america. many high-profile americans still aren't for giving trump, wisconsin's scott walker, one of several republicans withholding their support until trump owns up and apologizes for his remarks. >> the sad fact is it's sad in america we have such poor choices right now. he's not the nominee. officially that won't happen until the middle of july. for me that's the time. in particular i want to make sure he renowns what he says at least in regards to this judge. >> the fact is that donald trump

still needs to apologize for his comments and saying that his comments were misconstrued is not an apology. i would like to hear him apologize to the judge, apologize to the american people, admit for once that he made a mistake and then move on and start focusing like a laser on the economic issues. >> it's not a comfortable position to be in to not back the party's nominee. i'm not a fan of hillary clinton. i want to see a republican in the white house. but i can tell you, given the positions that mr. trump has taken so far, he's not going to get there. to talk about a ban on muslims, to talk about revisiting libel laws to more easily go after journalists and this new rant again this judge, calling an american born in indiana a mexican. going after him.

he can't take positions like that and win at the white house. >> then there's this. conservative radio host hugh hewitt called for rules of the republican convention to allow gop to find an alternative to trump as their nominee. he came to the conclusion after what he called the worst 72 hours for the republican party in more than 15 years. >> right now the republican party is facing -- the plane is headed toward the mountain. i think we ought to change the nominee. we're going to get killed by the nominee. i never said that. i waited until the primary was over, waited to the end. they ought to get together and let the convention decide. >> yesterday on our show, republican lawyer ben ginsberg said some rules could still be changed. in response to hewitt's comments, trump campaign's media

director tweeted out, "assume hater hugh hewitt will not be attending the gop convention. if he is, the rnc should ban him from attending. howevehenr, w trump spokeswoman hope hicks was asked if it was their position that rnc block hewitt from the convention this summer, she replied with a simple no. meanwhile rnc reince priebus and house speaker will be among annual utah retreat today bringing together never trump movement with gop leaders who said they would vote for presumptive nominee. that should be fascinating. that should. >> yeah. >> this is not going to go away. i don't know. does anyone think -- he has to apologize. this the one time in donald trump's life, the one time. >> apologize is not a word in his vocabulary. >> this is the one time in his

life he has to say i made a mistake. he can't say i'm not going to talk about it anymore. >> i'm sorry, i don't think you pivot from racism, honestly, i just don't. i don't think you can say, you know what, all those racist things i said about the judge, i feel bad about it. i don't mean it. i don't think you can put that jeannie in the bottle. for a ton of people -- >> it changed everything. >> go up there and say you can't take positions like that and win the white house, you don't need to add win the white house. >> the thing is, jeff brings up the point, republicans right now are trying to play it safe not speaking out against trump because they don't want hillary to be president, they are actual hi getting the worst of both bargains. by remaining quiet and by

tacitly standing behind trump, the damage the party's brand, not only does become president, lose the house. it is a conservative wipeout, republican wipeout. americans want to see someone with courage stand up and speak out against this bigotry. >> i don't think if all those things west nile true, i don't think it matters. i think they have to say the right thing. racism is racism is racism. if this was some weird blurt out of his mouth, he should say that. he should have said that. >> months. >> you can't pretend this didn't happen. it's impossible. >> yeah. >> it's painful, actually, to watch. none of us are enjoying this. repeating this again and again, roiling hate in this country. you can't do this. you have to apologize at least.

at least. >> for him if he wants to be president, this moment is a terrible contrast with hillary clinton. she's got the high ground, every interview she's asked, i'm not going to get in the gutter, let him, she wants to talk about the issues. she's at the brickyard in this historic moment, he's been in this defensive crouch about a judge in a civil case. if he wants to win, this is not a good look for him. >> he won't. stories making headlines, four people dead and others seriously injured in israel after two pammian gunmen opened fire at a popular market. the two man now in police custody following attack in tel aviv yesterday which took place outside israel's minister of defense. the two are from the west bank. over the last several months palestinian attacks killed 31 israelis and two americans, 200 palestinians have been killed, most identified as attackers by israel. also making news, a dramatic scene out of florida "caught on

camera" as a mother -- this is incredible -- as a mother fights to save her daughter from being abducted in broad daylight. >> oh, my gosh. >> i can't stand it. the surveillance video shows the mother getting into a tug-of-war with the suspect in a dollar store in hernando tuesday. he eventually let go of the girl and fled the story but because caught by an off duty police officer thank got in the parking lot. the suspect will be charged with one count of kidnapping and one count of child abuse. can you believe that mom? she saved her life. >> good for her. tennis legend maria sharapova received a two-year ban from the sport as a result of a failed drug test in january. sharapova tested positive for a newly banned substance after losing to serena williams in australian quarterfinals said she will appeal what she has called an unfairly harsh punishment. the ban could keep the 2012

silver olympic medalist out of the rio games in august. >> willie, that's big news. she's one of the big names in tennis. >> she is. she's 29 years old, play that out, two years out, tough to end in your 30s in tennis. a lot of people saying this is harsh. >> she took a drug which is legal, put out an e-mail that said it's not legal, let's take her at her word. she realized still in january it wasn't legal, she went and reported it and got a two-year suspension for it. >> that was my first in sting when the news broke. i think it was in march. the investigation revealed more. she had been taking it a while, multiple e-mails, taking it on days of matches, et cetera, et cetera. >> it's very harsh. you're right, get in your 30s, your game slows down. sam and i worry about that myself. >> sam almost there. >> sam and i mixed doubles out at brooklyn public courts. >> terrible. >> don't worry. have you a few years.

>> 30s, i fear my 31st birthday. sam slowing down. >> stopped rushing the net. >> again, i would like you to try soul cycle. >> i'd pay money. >> for charity. >> we could sell tickets. we could do it for charity and sell tickets. >> we'll see how -- >> my daughter is a huge soul cyclist. she could organize fundraiser. if we raised money for a good charity would you do it in bike shorts? >> in bike shorts. can we smoke? >> can we do it? >> yes. >> i'll try it. we're going to have to turn the music down. what's going on. >> okay, grandma. still ahead on "morning joe," all eyes on today's meeting between president obama and bernie sanders. we're going to be joined by a democrat who supports her party's nominee and a republican who doesn't back his. >> clinton surrogate claire mccaskill and senator tom coburn

who wants nothing to do with donald trump. this is going to be a feisty segment. first bill karins with the forecast. >> i'm confused about mixed doubles thing with joe and sam. >> mixed doubles. >> explain that to me on the break. south florida continuing clouds and rain this morning, not the most ideal weather for the beaches. over the weekend that will improve. how about northern great lakes and new england, people turning heat on in the middle of the night, slamming windows shut. 37 in northern michigan. in the 40s in areas outside the cities in the east. still cool for one more day today and then the heat will begin to build. much of the country from texas to the dakotas in the 90s. so we have one enjoyable day from the great lakes to the northeast and then the heat moves in. on friday tomorrow afternoon we get into the 90s. indianapolis through kentucky. d.c. and richmond in the 80s as we go throughout tomorrow. then on saturday and sunday the heat really moves in.

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we are reaching out through our campaign to his campaign, and i've made it clear that i'm going to do everything i can to make it possible for him to be a good partner in our joint efforts to, you know, pursue these goals that i mentioned and to defeat donald trump. >> that is hillary clinton reflecting as "the new york times" says, pauses to reflect on milestone. what an extraordinary milestone

for hillary clinton. you threw this "usa today" piece at me. >> yesterday's. >> on the koches, charles koch. this isn't just about democrats and independents. charles koch said this of donald trump's remarks on the indiana judge. quote, it's unacceptable and it's taking the country in the wrong direction. it's either racist or stereotyping. pretty strong condemnation from around the political world. >> there's also a report that the koch team, not necessarily the koch brothers themselves, are going to meet with the trump team, olive branch in that piece. we're clear, not on board with this stuff but willing to reach out. >> that's the right way to be. yeah. senator bernie sanders will head to washington, d.c., today to meet with president obama and senate minority leader harry reid. according to "new york times," the president will use the oval

office meeting to, quote, delicately nudge sanders toward a full embrace of hillary clinton's candidacy and a unified party. president obama traveled to new york yesterday to tape an appearance on t"the tonight sho" that will air tonight and discussed democratic primary. >> it was a healthy thing for the democratic party to have a contested primary. i thought bernie sanders brought enormous energy and new ideas. he pushed the party and challenged them. i thought it made hillary a better candidate. my hope is over the next couple of weeks we're able to pull things together. what happens during primary, you get a little ouchy. >> is bernie going to endorse hillary. >> i'm sure they are going to have a conversation. >> is he ever going to drop out? he's going to be staying in. >> i'm going to be talking to him tomorrow. he's coming to the white house.

the main role i'm going to be playing in this process is to remind the american people that this is a serious job. this is not reality tv. >> senator jeff merkley, sanders sole supporter in the senate told "washington post," this is the moment when we need to bring parts of the party together so they can go in with locked arm and come out unified in the general election. >> what does that mean? sam, is the party coming together? >> the end of primaries are really tricky affairs. i remember eight years ago when everything seemed to be falling apart in the democratic universe. i was at a restaurant being heckled by pumas because i worked for "washington post." this has gotten a little testy, but i think it's going to come together. if you look at any of the statistics, look at the polls, democrats, bernie sanders supporters, are more likely to vote for hillary clinton than hillary clinton supporters were

likely to vote for barack obama eight years ago. >> it would be good for team clinton to find a way to get the sanders supporters to understand that they -- >> there is a way and it's being reported in reuters in -- it's being reported in a few places in that they are looking at elizabeth warren. elizabeth warren is not closing the door on the possible vp pick. >> let's get a shot of the stage. how excited are you that mika's dream, her wish, her hope for a year and a half could come true that elizabeth warren could be your democratic vice presidential nominee. >> i'm very happy for mika. >> what would that do for you as a hillary supporter. >> fortunately there's trump, so there's no problem with my being a hillary supporter. i hope -- there's no question

bernie has had an effect on some of her policies and her general -- the way she's been leaning. that's fine. i think that's what this is all about to figure where your party is out and represent it. i would be shocked and surprised and deeply saddened if she actually picked elizabeth warren. i think people more center that would be a balance. >> it would be a brave pick. on these key issues where i think hillary clinton garners question marks, wall street, economic reform. >> but also what has been amazing to me and probably to you is moderate republican -- sensible republican friends i poll when i see them at one time or another, the percentage that are voting for trump is infinitesimal. this is what they are saying today, it may change by the election. if you introduce somebody, i'm not going to say elizabeth

warren, somebody to the ticket far left of the party, i think some of those people -- >> it's a great political calculation. if she feels like this is a base turnout election, that she really needs to get those sanders supporters coming around and that will guarantee a win, of course she goes with warren. you could also see a scenario where she says trump is so far out of the main steam, there's no way moderates will vote for him. if i pick someone like a bob gates, someone like that, can you make a plausible argument that would have a similar effect in the opposite direction. >> i think, mika, the smart move remains tim kaine of virginia. i know you disagree. daniel henninger wrote this. bernie's brigades should hold out for more than writing platform boilerplate. if senator sanders forced hillary to pick elizabeth warren as her running mate, it would be the capstone of bernie's career. history would record him as someone who sharply shifted the focus of a major american party

than just another eccentric candidate that briefly caught fire plus get the spectacle of donald trump battling two women, not least senator warren's progressivism. >> a lot there to look at. >> we're all in a five-month skydive, so it will be fun even for bernie sanders. >> so nice of daniel to help out the democrats and give us good advice how we should position our party. >> very nice daniel thinks hillary will take you far, far left. >> there's a huge sector of the american populous that feel screwed by american system, banking system, life, wages. >> that's true. >> this woman would get those crowds. >> not necessarily defined as republican or democrat. donald trump has managed to associate himself with a fair number of bernie supporters for precisely those reasons.

>> it would give them the assurance that hillary clinton is going to remember what she's planning and trying to do to help the middle class. i don't know. >> if you're going to pick elizabeth warren, though, why not pick bernie sanders. he comes with built-in crowds. he's got a movement. pick it up, make it portable, attach it to your campaign. >> i have to say i thought it was my own pipe dream but when i saw elizabeth warren attacking donald trump and drawing blood, and just being so completely fearless -- >> she was great. >> i don't know. i'm not sure. like imagine tim kaine -- >> i think it's really important to keep her in the senate. she's doing a great job there. >> all right. a lot more ahead. be sure to subscribe to "morning joe" newsletter at joy.msnbc.com. willie, have you finished writing it yet? freehand. >> change your life. i'm writing right now as we speak and soaking in palmolive.

we'll be right back. >> i think i can help her win, and i think i can help her win most by helping her win virginia and that's what i am doing already. she's got a lot of directions she can go. look, she's going to choose a person who is the best suited to help her govern and to help her win. i was vetted for this spot back in '08, and i love being mentioned but my gut was never saying i don't think it's going to be me and i don't feel that differently now.

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he feels like it's an unjust proceeding and he should prevail but now he said he's going to let his lawyer handle it and he's not going to be continuing to comment on it. i think that's probably a good decision. >> all right. that's donald trump's big supporter. jeff sessions of alabama telling nbc's hallie jackson that trump felt he had to defend trump university. >> yes. yesterday's. >> chairman of republican committee congressman bill florez of texas, he's withholding support of donald trump saying yesterday he needs more vision and less trash talk. congressman, why do not you expand a little more on that. what do you need to see from donald trump before you can throw your support behind him? >> great. what we need to see is him to talk about the direction he wants to lead the country. 70% of americans are frustrated with the direction of the country. so donald trump has the ideal environment to talk about his

vision, his leadership and also to talk about hillary clinton would be continuation of the barack obama years. those are the things he needs to talk about. he's not running against the judge, he's running against hillary clinton and that's where he needs to maintain his focus. leadership and vision and a whole lot less trash talk. >> also on set washington examiner kristin anderson. at some point this will catch up with him. comments entire wrong, racist, stereotypical, everything was bad about him. they also show kind of an inability to think broadly about the future of this country. >> well, it also just guess him far away from the stuff he ought to be talking about, which is the sort of stuff that got a lot of voters who may not think that mexican judges can't fairly judge cases or may not agree with some of the more incendiary things he said but some like him because he talks about trade and immigration. this is such a departure from

that. i'm so fascinated, why is this the statement causing so many republicans to back away and say, you know -- everything he said up until this point i didn't love it, why is this a bridge too far. i agree the comments are horrible but he said a lot of horrible things over the last six, eight, twelve months. >> i think all the other things were attached to something that appealed to primary voters. whether or not that's right or wrong, this is very disconnected. this is very self-centered and it was 100% fundamentally wrong completely. that's what's different. >> absolutely. i think in this case the biggest difference really has been that we're now in the general election and now there's this expectation of, okay, these things you said to try to win the primary, you have to stop doing that and donald trump is saying i am completely uninterested in -- >> congressman florez, you get a chance to meet with donald trump last month in may, you came out not ready to endorse him but optimistic he was somebody you

could work with up there. a month or so later do you still feel that way? are you optimistic he'll ab good president of the united states if elected. >> yes, i do think he's going to be a good president. in order to be a good president, he's got to win the election. kristen is exactly right. there's a difference running in the primary election and running in the general election. if he's making comments incendiary to different groups we as republicans count on to support us, particularly in the state of texas, he's going to change his rhetoric and start talking about vision and leadership. look, donald trump and i both have similar backgrounds. we were both successful business people. we got mad about what was happening in washington and ran for office. i won because i talked about vision and where i wanted to go and talked about how my opponent wasn't going to take us there. donald trump needs to do the same thing. that judge was irrelevant. whether he likes the judge or not, that judge's name is not on the ballot. donald trump's name is on the ballot and so is hillary clinton. he needs to show why he's better than hillary clinton. i think he can get there. we've

just got to help him get across the line and start talking about the things that are important to 70% of americans that are mad about the direction of the country. >> kristen, you were concerned about the poll in general yesterday, some of the findings. >> the poll really shows that a significant number of americans think that a muslim judge couldn't fairly prosecute a terrorism case. fewer people think a female judge could fairly prosecute a rape case than a male judge. they don't think a black judge could necessarily fairly judge a case where there was police brutality from a police officer. generally the majority of americans think, yes, you can judge this fairly. theres a significant minority, about 30% in these cases say, no, i'm not sure a judge of a certain gender, religious, ethnic background can judge a case. i think what donald trump has done and tarting to do is starting to expose there's a lot of people out there that hold beliefs that are not acceptable in polite society. he's bringing a lot of this to

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>> don't ask me questions about that stuff. are you kidding me? >> what? welcome back to "morning joe." why not? was that a bad -- was that not a time to ask questions? i missed the context of that. >> prime minister of india. >> indian prime minister, he said don't ask me. it's not like the indian prime minister is not curious about trump. >> no kidding. >> good point. >> everybody across the planet is interested in trump and what's going on and whether americans are going to condemn this sort of racist talk or not. >> yeah. i don't know. seems like -- >> i think that is unfortunately relevant wherever you go. you say he's -- >> he's a racist but i'm going

to vote for him. >> support him anyway. >> it's thursday june 9th, welcome to "morning joe." with us we have legendary. >> legendary. >> mike barnicle. former ted cruz campaign communication director now msnbc political director rick tyler. former treasury official steve ratner. >> "huffington post" sam. >> on the hill, "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. okay. donald trump is speaking out about the stern rebuke he's received from top republicans in washington for what many -- i'm not -- for what were racist criticisms of a federal judge. in an interview at trump tower. can we stop being objective and characterize things so carefully? does everyone know what racism is? >> explain to the audience. >> everything is written like it

might be. >> she doesn't like what many call racist comments. >> i might be wearing a gray sweater, some say i'm wearing a gray sweater but i'm going to be objective and say reports are i could be wearing a gray sweater. just stop. >> the comments were racist. >> yes. does anyone disagree? anybody? >> no. >> the entire room. >> no. >> okay. said he was disappointed and surprised by the leader's reactions. ask if they were being disloyal, trump said, i had just won more votes than anyone in the history of the party so i was a little surprised when they said that. >> i don't get that logic. i just won more votes than anyone in the history of the party so i should be excused from racist comments. that's the mind-set that controls donald trump. if i win, everything else is justified. if i win.

it's all about winning and everything else is excused by winning. >> well, his candidacy from the get go hassal been the most unique presidential candidacy in the history of american presidential politics and i think it's made even more unique, more unique by the fact he's the most self-absorbed candidate i have ever encountered because everything he says and everything he does is all geared to him. it's all about donald trump. he's the only person in the campaign. he runs his own campaign. everything centers around him. he doesn't really speak about the needs of the country. he doesn't really speak to the issues that every american faces on each and every day, it's about him, uniquely about him. >> trump said i don't think it's necessary but i'm a big boy.

>> newt gingrich, who has been critical before said trump, quote, made a stupid mistake last week and took him about three days to learn. >> he hasn't learned. >> donald trump, quote, an absurd amateur. >> a new poll measures the response to trump alleging that american born judge gonzalo curiel has a conflict of interest for being, quote, mexican. according to you gov only survey, 57% said comments were wrong, 20% were right. poll taken yesterday. asked if racist, 51% of all respondents said yes, 31% said no. 8 in 10 found comments to be racist as did 34% of independents, 22% of republicans said the comments were racist, 65% said they were not. the speaker of the house, by the way, says they were racist. many high-profile elected republicans are still not for giving trump, including wisconsin governor scott walker who is one of several

republicans withholding their support until trump owns up and apologizes for his remarks. >> sad fact is it's just sad in america we have such poor choices right now. he's not yet the nominee. officially that won't happen until the middle of july. for me that's kind of the timeframe. in particular i want to make sure he renounces what he says at least in regards to this judge. >> the fact is that donald trump still needs to apologize for his comments and saying that his comments were misconstrued is not an apology. i would like to hear him apologize to the judge, apologize to the american people, admit for once that he made a mistake and then move on and start focusing like a laser on the economic issues. >> it's not a comfortable position to be in to not back the party's nominee.

i'm not a fan of hillary clinton. i want to see a republican in the white house. but i can tell you given the positions mr. trump has taken so far, he's in the going to get there. to talk about a ban on muslims, to talk about revisiting libel laws to more easily go after journalists, then this new rant against this judge, calling an american born in indiana a mexican and going after him. it's just -- you can't take positions like that and win, you know, the white house. >> so you know, rick, we have donald trump -- you look at these numbers, we have donald trump actually still supported by a good number of republicans on this issue, but 57% oppose, 20% support. it's the same thing like the muslim ban you heard in the republican primary, 50%, 60% of

republican primary supporters support the ban. take you it out and get a snapshot of the general electorate and it's like 32, 33% support. so donald trump doesn't realize, i guess, he's not running in a primary race anymore, he's running in a general election and these are devastating comments for his general election prospects. >> worse than that. you get to mike's point, he doesn't really understand how what he says affects other people and how it affects the entire party. >> or doesn't care. sometimes in business you don't care. >> i'm not sure. maybe that he doesn't care but almost seems as if -- i remember during the primary, he would say these things and someone would say something about him and he'd get all bent out of shape as if he never offended anybody. as if it doesn't occur to him his actions affect other people and other people have to respond.

he's shocked when he doesn't command respect, something that he seems to be in a lifelong pursuit of. >> you hear him say when people say something about him, this hurts trump. you hear him, that hurt trump. that wasn't good for trump. it's bizarre the level of self-absorption. >> most of what he has said, most of his outrageous positions in the campaign were at least things where they affected americans, where he was trying to help americans, thought americans better off with the wall, high tariffs, whatever. this is about him. this is purely about him and his fight over trump university. >> that's where his staff was, right? they said stop talking about this. then he gets on the phone and tells all his surrogates that his staff is stupid and they are not very smart people and they say stupid things. >> it's the unraveling. >> then 24 hours later he's in full reversal saying i'm not going to talk about it anymore. >> and i was misconstrued. >> what's interesting to me

coming from a staff perspective, he doesn't understand the potential what he's leaving on the table. look at three things. one is the hillary clinton foreign policy speech. two, the ig report of mishandling classified information. three, the jobs report. where was the trump campaign on all those issues? >> nowhere. >> they were absent. >> those woodall rodgers good stories. >> they don't have a response team, a staff. >> no surrogates. >> they are seemingly paralyzed, so they wait for trump to say something and they all react to that. >> by the way, everybody, mika, around trump knew three months ago he needed to staff up. they were desperately trying to tell him, he needed to staff up. >> this is not even like hard to do the right thing. >> why aren't republican leaders on capitol hill calling him out strongly and saying -- >> now i'm wondering if -- >> the speaker did. >> excuse me, he's still endorsing him.

>> he did say it was a racist comment. >> but sees still endorsing him. that's a pretty incredible one, too. >> mitch mcconnell said he had to grow up. >> mitch mcconnell gave him a couple weeks, we had the chairman on from tennessee, bob corker said the same thing, he's got a couple weeks to clean his act up. i think corker was actually very constructive in saying that. and others are saying the same thing, too. they are going to give him a couple weeks. but if he continues like this, and what hugh hewitt is suggesting and what we had been yesterday ginsberg suggests may actually come to fruition. >> hugh hewitt called for changing of the rules of the republican national convention to allow the gop to find an alternative to the donald trump as its nominee. on his own radio program yesterday hewitt said he came to the conclusion after what he called the worst 72 hours for the republican party in more than 15 years. >> right now the republican party is facing -- the plane is

headed towards the mountain. i think the party ought to change the nominee. we're going to get killed with this nominee. i have never said that. i waited um after the primary was over, i stayed switzerland until the end and the 72 hours dove tailed with that. they ought to get together and let the convention decide. >> the reawakened talk of contesting his nomination at the convention. what are you hearing? >> that's exactly right, mika. what i'm hearing from capitol hill, from rnc members is that what trump's comments over this judge have done is rouse thad talk once again. is there a way to stop him at the convention? now, that's easier said than done. i do think trump is on borrowed time here. if he can go five weeks to the convention without another self-inflicted wound like this, i think he's fine. but you're talking about somebody who can barely go five days without creating a massive controversy. there are other hurdles to

contesting him at the convention as well. in order to have a contested convention, you need to have contestants and right now you don't have that. i think ted cruz would see himself as somebody who would be a rightful heir to kind of step in here, but i don't think ted cruz has much easier of a time getting to majority of delegates at convention than donald trump does. he's not exactly a unifying figure. i think what all this points to is once again the only person who can hurt donald trump is donald trump. if he acts out again, if he makes more racist comments, if he continues this pattern of behavior that we've seen from him, there's going to be a growing outcry from delegates, from members of the rnc to try to change the rules at the convention that would allow for somebody else to come in. >> sam stein, this is coming at just a horrific time. obviously this is supposed to be

the time he's pivoting. he's not going to pivot. he's basically said that. as rick said, missed one opportunity after another to go after clinton. also, this was the week he was going to start in earnest trying to fundraise for the campaign, this makes that more difficult. >> you already see word from the trump campaign they are trying to lower expectations on fundraising with trump saying i don't need to raise $1 billion, i have all this free media service. i would argue this isn't a service to his campaign. i'm struck by the way the gop leadership is trying to handle this. they are treating him as if he's a toddler, a preadolescent. oh, just give him a few more weeks, he's growing, he's new to this. >> this is your chance. >> everyone that's been a little bit interesting is to watch them sort of dance around the racism with mitch mcconnell saying if

he just sticks to script, stays on the teleprompter it will be fine, as if him covering up the racism and not letting it come out is the issue, not the comments themselves. trump has not only screwed his own campaign by not getting serious about staffing and fundraising but he's put a lot of other republicans in a bind, a serious bind by limiting resources and, of course, turning media attention right on them. >> that's true. do you think he cares? >> no. >> no. >> and the republican leaders think he does obviously because they are like holding onto their endorsements. you guys, this is your moment to actually do the right thing and it will actually help you. i don't get it. >> i think the notion of throwing trump overboard before the convention and nominating somebody else is a fantasy. >> i'm talking about yank your endorsement and do the right thing. endorsements don't matter but yanking one does. >> yank your endorsement. >> get him in line.

>> one thing to bear in mind, the the amount of ticket splitting going on in elections is at an all-time low, 10% people who split tickets, down from 50% in the '80s. the risk you run is whether you're going to get voters to make that distinction and still protect your ballot. >> if you can't make this candidate a candidate you can be proud of to lead your party -- >> all i'm saying, they are confronted with two or three choices, all of which are really the worst choices you want to have. >> new this morning massachusetts elizabeth warren will speak in washington. in a preview of her remarks she will tie donald trump's criticism to judge curiel to economic issues. quote, trump isn't a different kind of candidate. he's a mitch mcconnell kind of candidate, blockading judicial appointments so donald trump can fill them, smearing and intimidating nominees who did not pledge allegiance to financial interest of the rich and powerful. paul ryan condemned trump's campaign for its attacks on

judge curiel's integrity. great. where is paul ryan's condemnation of the blockade. the intimidation, the smears and the slime against the integrity of qualified judicial nominees. judge garland. donald trump chose racism as his weapon but his aim is exactly the same as the rest of the republicans. pound the courts into submission to the rich and powerful. >> and you see again, you see now, the tying together of donald trump and the rest of the republican party and it's going to be like this from now through november, nightmare scenario for republicans. >> going to be worse. look, donald trump is in my mind incapable of changing. he said he's going to change, going to change. he says i won't disappoint you. he's done nothing but disappoint you. i don't think he's capable of acting presidential. it's going to get worse, not better. >> yeah. >> jeremy peters, thank you for your reporting.

still ahead on "morning joe." thank you. katy tur who has been following the campaign joins us. hillary clinton and donald trump are the most unpopular presidential candidates in modern history. there's one difference, clinton wasn't hit with a single negative ad in the primaries. what will happen when donald trump unleashes his onslaught. bloomberg business week josh green joins us with his new reporting. what the next debt bubble will be. steve will tell us about that. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. whatever you're drinking.

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going away, it's simply getting worse. if you start by saying what's happened over the last 20 years or so, this chart basically shows median incomes, which is the green line and the amount of average student debt. you can see that the average student debt has gone up by 85% while incomes, inflation adjusted numbers, has only gone up by 37%. give you actual numbers, back here in 1993, propertotypical l than half in come of $48,000, today the amount of debt is $33,000 compared to incomes of close to $50,000. the ratio of debt to income. why is this happening? college is going up much faster than inflation. college tuition raised -- >> why is tuition exploding at just an obscene rate for middle class students? >> really two reasons.

one is that service businesses, where you can't really increase productivity, because teachers still teach and so on tend to go up faster but secondly an arms race in college campuses. everyone has to have the newest, best dorms. >> dorms like four seasons. >> so they do that and the students are prepared to pay it because at least they used to think they were getting a good education. governments have fallen, a whole slew of government programs that encourage students to borrow. also for profit education. we're going to, of course, get to donald trump before this is all over a little bit. when you look at what happened to who has been borrowing, the kids that go to four-year colleges, their share of the borrowing has gone down a little bit. graduate students have gone down a bit. what's really taking off is the share of students who borrow to go to these for profit schools. again, trump isn't even in here because his school is uncredited, unlicensed and doesn't count. his numbers actually make the

thing worse. another thing to think about this, if you went back to 2000, only one of the 10 schools with the most debt was a for profit school. today eight out of the ten schools with the most debt are for profit schools. >> it's just so unbelievable to me, when i went to university of alabama, it wasn't in the "ice age." i think i paid like $1,000 per semester. university of florida law school, really good law school, like $1,000 a semester. tuition was low, everything was low. you look now and i talk to parents who are taking kids to these schools, $30, $40, $50, $60, $70,000. >> law school is $80,000 a year. >> one working class kid accepted to a law school really excited about it, his bill, $80,000 per year. >> federal loans. >> what happened to the student loan programs? >> well, the student loan programs are part of the problem, in fact. >> they are encouraging.

>> ridiculous. >> we put a trillion dollars into student loan programs which in turn encouraged kids to borrow and incur debt. >> it also allows colleges to ask for even more money. >> that's the problem. >> like those higher tuitions. >> we're pumping taxpayer money through the student loan programs to help kids pay for it but not capping the tuition on the other end. so colleges turn around and say -- >> they can get it from the federal government, students can get it from the federal government. >> i've got to show you one more thing because it's really pretty incredible. what's going on. if you look at for profit college and these numbers are from a couple years ago so numbers have come down a little bit, still directionally right. 19% in 2013, 19% went to for profit or two-year college were unemployed. their average wage was $22,000, and their default rate.

nour year, lower. a problem university of florida and state schools and four-year schools. >> for profit college. >> but when you read these stories day after day in the paper. >> what's the percentage of the for profit colleges, that's a small percentage overall. >> i show it's about 20% of the debt outstanding. >> if we're talking as far as overall, i'm not saying not a problem, the overall problem mainly is being fueled by nonprofit colleges, right? >> yes. by so-called nonprofit colleges. again, if you look within that, the most selective schools have a lesser of a problem than the more selective -- less selective schools. >> some of these colleges have massive endowments, putting aside so much money. i know bill de blasio wants to start taxing these, governor of connecticut wants to start taxing these, what can be done to take that money away --

>> by the way with dan malloy's 26% approval rating. >> but what can you do about that endowment to make sure tuition costs -- >> harvard is not the problem and dartmouth is not the problem. the kids that go there get a lot of financial aid, come out with reasonable debt and they can pay it off. the problem, and i don't want to pick on a school, some two-year or four-year school in the middle of nowhere, incur a bunch of debt, not going to get a good job and have these unemployment rates. everybody has a proposal what to do about this, one of the reasons sanders got so much millennial support because he hit on the issue hard. interestingly none of them feel we have the financial means to go in there and whack this debt. they feel we can do stuff going forward. they feel we can refinance in lower interest rates, this $1.2 trillion of debt is not going away. >> i'll tell you what, i'm

concerned. >> what's he going to do? >> one more year left. >> i know. >> you want this fixed before he graduates. >> the worst in all television. does go to graduate school. >> and graduate school? go away, mike. coming up, he's definitely -- thank you for the charts. >> we need to talk about this issue more because it's one of the issues of our time. this is -- bernie sanders has crowds because of this. coming up, he's openly criticized donald trump but he's not a fan of hillary clinton either. so what is former senator tom coburn going to do come november. he joins us next. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a littleyou're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker.

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you proud of donald trump and donald trump's republican party? >> well, i'm proud of the process. i'm certainly not a big trump supporter. it's going to be the choice of the the lesser of two evils for me unless there's a third party candidate that jumps in there. >> how is that possible? >> it's still possible, sure. i think -- it says a lot about our country when this is what we get to choose from. >> why is this the best it gets? >> well, because we have a failed political process, one. we have no trust in the status quo, two. number three, the rule of law is being challenged at every level and the politicians are not standing up. there's no leadership -- to me, i don't see much leadership anywhere, either party. with that comes the loss of character, the loss of direction, the loss of inspiration. it's just not there. >> there were some people that were pushing you to run as a

possible independent candidate. why did you decide not to do that? >> one is i'm not through with all my treatments. i'm about through but i'm not through with all of them. number two, my number one goal is to finish my life with the wife i have and i probably wouldn't have been able to do that had i decided to go that direction. the fact is, our country is trouble. it's not just in trouble economically, that's severe, that's coming. the next president is going to see just real hardship for our country and it's going to require really strength and courage and determination. and calling people to a higher purpose to lead our country. i worry. i pray for our country every night, pray our leaders won't just make expedient decisions, popular decisions but make decisions that will be great for

our country in the long run. that's not happening, by the way. >> senator, willie geist, great to have you back on the show. >> hi, willie. >> heard mitch mcconnell, congressman flores last hour saying they still believe there's room for growth for donald trump. if he disciplines himself he can become a good standard bearer for the party. do you see optimism, have hope he might change enough you might come around to him? >> sure. i have hope. you know, i think everybody can change. the question is does he have the self-discipline and make control over his ego to be able to say i'm wrong every now and then. i haven't seen that. that's not a whole lot different than a whole lot of washington either. both parties, by the way. so do i have aspirations that he could maybe do that in sure. if you continue to alienate groups of people and stand behind it and not be conciliatory at all and saying,

you know, i was really too emotional. i said something i shouldn't have said, it's not really accurate. i apologize for that. >> i've never heard him say anything like that. >> senator, how do you put those jeannies back in the bottle, the muslim ban, what he said about judge curiel, how do you wipe out what he's been saying for months and months. >> i don't know if you can wipe it out. his opponent, if you look at the trust factor, that's a reliable indication. how did we get here that somebody who is under investigation for not following the law, for breaking the law, is now the standard bearer for one party. it's not the first time. so the question is how did we get with just these two people? i think america is greater than either of these. i think there's a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who

could actually lead this country and do a much better job than the two nominees that we have. so worry going to have one of these two probably, and we better hope that their direction is more about the country and less about themselves and their parties. >> mike. >> senator, how important do you think character is in terms of individual ethic and people in public life, character? >> well, i think -- i think it's ultimately the most important thing, because in politics when you're getting strokes all the time, character is the thing that allows you not to believe them and to actually understand that you're still human. you're not above everybody else. you still make mistakes. character is the ultimate thing that allows you to get other people to believe in you. and not just the sycophants that are around you or the political elite but the average every day

american that wants to hope, wants to believe, wants to trust. i think the other thing that's really going on in our country is this decline in the rule of law. i think it is so dangerous for us. you know, the fact that there's a black lives matter matters. the fact that there's no control enforcement of the rule of law on the border matters. the fact that both those things are happening makes people say, if the law doesn't apply there, it doesn't apply now and i'm not following it. that's the very glue that holds us together as a nation. we don't have leadership reinforcing that. as a matter of fact, they are undermining it. >> do you think donald trump has the character to be president of the united states? >> i don't know his character. what i know is what he said. character is what you're doing when people aren't watching. and so i'm, you know, we are seeing some indications of his character in terms of taking

shortcuts about generalizing about certain groups of people. that tells you one thing in terms of the way he thinks. he rationalizes it. >> you say what you know is what he said. in terms of what he said, is he fit to be president? let's just not beat around the bush here. >> i'm not a trump supporter. i'm still looking for somebody else to vote for. >> senator, can i ask you a question? sam stein here. let's say hypothetically you got the chance to talk to this judge, this american born judge, judge curiel, who has gone through this with a presidential candidate, what would you say to him? >> what would i say to him? >> yeah. >> to the judge? >> yeah. >> i'd say donald trump if he thought you were biased against him should never have mentioned your race, he should have made a case you had judicial bias. >> that's it? >> that's what i would say. that's what donald trump should have said. if he really thought he had bias, he shouldn't say why he had bias, that should be in his

pleading. if he thought he had bias, he should say he has bias against me and should never mention what his background is. that's a character thing. goes bag to his character. that's one of the things that bothers me about donald trump. >> tom come burn, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> good to see you guys. >> next hour talking to claire mccaskill. hillary clinton didn't face any attack ads from bernie sanders but that's about to change. bloomberg business week says we should prepare for all-out ad war. "morning joe" will be back with that.

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46 past the hour. top gop fundraisers gathering at four seasons hotel in new york this morning as donald trump and the republican national committee hold the first meeting of their joint finance operation for the 2016. the meeting comes as trump tells bloomberg politics he does not need to raise $1 billion as he previously stated. quote, i don't think i need nearly as much money as other people. me. because i get so much publicity. i get so many invitations to be on television. i get so many interviews if i want them. trump's change of tune follows the doubts of many top republican finance operatives that he can catch up with hillary clinton who has raised

over $240 million, not including $60 million with joint committee with dnc and $76 million raefd by her super pac. mega donner charles koch granted trump a meeting with some of his top advisers but the billionaire is reportedly wary of trump's rhetoric policies and fitness to be president. joining us now nbc news correspondent katy tur and josh green from bloomberg. your latest piece for bloomberg looks at what campaigns spent so far on advertising. we'll get to that but first, katy, bring us up to speed on what's going on in the campaign. >> they have a meeting with big donors today, 70, we believe, at the four seasons. so they are looking forward to that. will they come away with a number after that, that's unclear.

we'll see how it's received. it's an issue with the campaign they are trying to reset day two of zero controversy from donald trump. we'll see how long that lasts. they worked really hard on that speech the other night and it was supposed to be a sign of donald trump changing and moving forward and acting more presidential. we saw last night he retweeted somebody, threatening john kasich to get on board the trump train or get out of the gop. i'm not entirely sure how that's going to be received by rnc and gop, that doesn't seem to fit into the presidential mold. but the campaign is plugging away. they are starting to hire make more folks, not very many, but they are hiring some and they are working on an anti-hillary clinton speech which is set to happen on monday, we believe, in new hampshire. >> interesting. >> all right. so now the onslaught that you are predicting. what onslaught at this point and

do you think that whatever they have planned is a little bit muted by what the events of the last 48 hours. >> we went to the political media tracking firm c-mag and asked them just out of curiosit donald trump in the primary season. and we wanted to compare that with how many run against hillary. 62 million in ads run against trump, which i think people forget because ultimately, they were ineffective. you know how many were run against clinton? zero. not a single there are. we've never had a situation where a nominee has gone through a primary season untouched. does this mean clinton is vulnerable because nobody has attacked her or is she in better shape because she avoided a path that mitt romney had in 2012 where he came out of the primary bruised and bloodied and already defined as the venture

capitalists. we're now going to see if trump can raise a little money for these ads, we'll see whether or not that will be effective. >> gives you time to have this fund-raising. >> it's not ideal. that's how you can put it. in terms of attack ads, the campaign says very vehemently and they believe that the attack ads have not worked against him. they believe they are teflon, bulletproof. they don't publicly say that hillary clinton is going to be any different than it was in the primaries. they're proud of what they did in the primary. they think they aren't getting enough credit for being able to get through 16 candidates on their own without any staff. but that's going to change. hillary clinton is not -- her team and her machine is not the same as even a ted cruz or jeb bush machine. >> there's an entire category of attacks those guys really wouldn't touch in the republican

primary. clinton is not only willing to but eager to. democrats are sharpening the knives in anticipation of what they're going to do to trump. and it's not clear that he and his campaign are going to have the resources to defend themselves. at least not in a way the candidates traditionally defend themselves. >> as of now, they don't have that. they don't have a rapid response or director that can immediately go out and counter any attacks from hillary clinton or what they don't like from the press or anybody frankly. >> trump believes what he said that mika just rt which is that he doesn't have to do conventional fund-raising or beat the bushes. he learned he can put up a ta n 15-second instagram post and that gets amplified by the media and he gets all that free. does that hold true in a general election, though? >> i don't think it does. when you are one of 16, 17 people on a stage, trump can be trump and all the attention is going to go to him and away from

the other people. that hasn't happened in a one on one general election matchup. it's clear trump doesn't either understand that or doesn't believe it. >> i -- i think that we are -- we've hit a point where, you can maybe respond to this better than anybody, but if there is an opportunity for republicans to take a look at this guy and say does he stand for what we believe, this would be it for them to act in a way that is decisive and do something about this if he is it not apologize for racist comments. and he won't. and he hasn't. he's missed the moment. >> tom coburn says he has two choices. you wonder if the fund-raisers are going to say, we're going to hold off support until you prove to us that you can be disciplined. apologize. >> they have been saying that. >> are they going to say that today? >> i'm not sure they'll say it to his face. a number of donors said we were

starting to think we could maybe start giving him some of our cash or super pac affiliated with him, some of our cash. then the judge comments came out and it made everybody rethink it. what i'm hearing from inside the republican party and the rnc is that this is an ongoing process of trying to figure out if what to do with donald trump. and they have -- they are in a difficult position because the primary voters came out for him in full force and so they don't want to necessarily alienate the voters of their party which have shown overwhelming support. >> if they can't get him to pull back from this, this is your moment. if you can't get him to pull back from this, from this, he's a bull in a china shop. >> they wanted him to apologize. they wanted that statement to be more of an apology, like the words i'm sorry. they wanted the -- >> just can't do it. >> to bring up the victory speech. he can't do it. that's where they feel like i've been burned before. why do i trust that i'm not

going to get burned again. it's luke being in an abusive relationship. no, it's okay. she'll he'll change. he'll be fine. >> look what's happened since paul ryan has endorsed. >> he's been abused. he's in an abusive relationship. >> it's gotten worse and worse for him. >> the speech tuesday night and the apology. the statement was as close to an apology you'll ever get which is just to say, i'm not going to talk about this. >> then he kept talking about it. >> then he's come back and talked about it and admonished republicans for criticizing him for saying what he said about the judge. it's not in his nature. he's not going to apologize. >> for paul ryan to say i'm going to endorse you. he said a racist comment is like telling the police to go away after you've gotten beaten up. it's bad. this is bad. >> josh, thank you for being with us. greatly appreciate it. we'll be reading your latest piece for bloomberg business.

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good morning. it is thursday, june 9th. welcome to "morning joe." welcome, everyone. >> thank you for having me. >> all right. >> so polite. >> with us on set, former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rasner. >> where's barnicle when i need him. >> and sam with the huffington post. >> you guys have to help out here. one, two, three, sam. >> sam. >> all right. so the whole donald trump thing. how is it working out? >> can't hear a thing. can't ever hear. you guys ever do that? it makes you deaf.

you may be a little more in shape but you come out and you can't hear anything. i did it with my daughter. she just turned 18 and made me do soulcycle. >> it's so loud. >> i'm deaf. i can't hear a thing. >> did you like it? >> they were all screaming at me. >> that's because of joe. >> no, this guy in the middle was jumping around and screaming. >> it's a lot of vegas club like techno music. >> i will tell you, what willie and i hate the most about when we go soul cycling three times a week. we've had to cut down from five to three because we're crazy about it. how many times while we're doing it do they tell us to put out the cigarettes. i'm serious. the thing is -- i've got an ash tray mounted and -- >> you're pedaling. >> they have a smoking section. the two of use. >> don't understand, man. >> not my thing. >> not your thing? sam, have you -- >> it's the hot thing.

>> really? have you? >> oh, sure. >> that's a mental image. i don't want to think about you doing that. >> you ought to try it. >> no, like willie and i do it. it's the smoking that gets in the way. donald trump speaking out about the rebuke. it's a stern rebuke. >> he got from top republicans. >> a lot of them are calling them racist criticism of a federal judge. if you've been watching the coverage of this. in an interview at trump tower, he told time magazine he was disappointed and surprised by the leaders' reactions. asked if they were being disloyal, trump said, i had just won more votes than anybody in the history of the party so i was surprised when they said that. i didn't think it was necessary but they have to say what they have to say. i'm a big boy. okay. speaking at a conference in san francisco, newt gingrich said trump made a really stupid mistake last week and it took him about three days to learn. he also called trump an absurd amateur. >> and therein lies the problem.

>> right. >> and we heard ginsburg say yesterday, this is his first campaign. doesn't excuse racist comments, but he is an absurd as newt gingrich says, amateur. and this absurd amateur doesn't want to learn from anybody. he thinks he knows everything. willie, he doesn't think he needs anybody's advice. >> the two clauses of that sentence don't quite connect. the one he said which i one the most votes in the history of the republican party so they should fall in line. >> so i can make racist comments. >> you can still win the most votes but still comport to ideals of people in the party. >> i've been watching the coverage and some are saying is what some are saying are racist comments. there are racist comments that we can just call racist comments and we ought to be able to do that. it's sort of like using the word allegedly to cover yourself.

why are people characterizing this as possibly a racist comment. it was a racist comment. journalists -- >> we're talking about somebody who is a mexican or somebody born in mexico. that was his first step which was, if you are from mexico, pretty good chance if you come to the united states, you're a rapist, a murderer, this or that. now we're taking it a step further and saying if your parents were born in mexico, you are incapable of being fair and honest. >> even though you were born in indiana. journalists love to be careful and always have a little -- >> to pretend to be objective? come pop leton. let's be smart. >> i knts think of a single person other than donald trump who has defended those comments and said they weren't racist. >> there were a few surrogates who went on tv in the immediate aftermath and said it was racist

to call them racist and that maybe president obama is racist. >> i'm sorry, my teeth are hurting. >> i couldn't follow it. it was very difficult. i think what struck me about the defense of donald trump wasn't -- well, i guess it's this. people are going out there and saying, if you just stuck to script. if you just read off the teleprompter and is more seasoned as a politician, this would be fine. as if his actual world views are okay. we can stomach this so long as he act wells. i think that's so cynical and awful soto say it's okay to harbor these views about a judge so long as you don't say them publicly. that's just crazy. >> but the thing is, the muslim ban, a religious test to get into this country. the outrage is all about this mexican judge -- excuse me, the judge with mexican heritage and wasn't this level of outrage from everybody across the board. >> i agree with you.

>> totally. >> it's so funny during trump's run when we were predicting he was going to run and everybody got angry with us and all the right wing journals were talking about how horrible trump was because of his tax policy or because of this or because of planned parenthood. i didn't hear the outrage about the muslim ban to the degree that i heard about this one judge. when you're talking about banning over 1.4, 1.5 billion people simply because the god they worship, that is un-american as anything he's ever said. as un-american as what he said about this judge. where was the outrage then? like we said on this show, asking the question when this first came out. is this what germany looked like in 1933. that's every bit as offensive. but why not the outrage from the right, the center, the left? >> i don't know. >> i know why. >> there was. >> not to this degree.

>> there was outrage but it also polled differently, if i remember correctly. the public attitude toward that comment is quite different than the public's attitude toward this comment. >> i've been thinking about this a lot. >> what does that mean? people that supported it are racists. okay. >> the only answer -- >> no, no, listen. i'm sorry. if you want to ban people from coming to the united states of america because of the god they worship, that is an inherently un-american belief. it cuts deep at the heart of what madison and hamilton and jefferson and franklin and george washington believed in when they set this country up. >> i am not, you are not, you are not, we are not going to call donald trump supporters who responded to the muslim ban with support racist. we're not doing that. >> i'm not calling them racist. >> i'm going to be very careful, but i will just say the muslim

ban had a positive reaction among primary voters because it played on fears. and those fears may have been built on a lack of information. >> no, i think that's totally right. and i think you also have to just acknowledge the universe of people paying attention or who mattered as voters in that moment is vastly different than what happens now. i happen to agree. i think it's incredibly crazy to think that you would ban 1.4 billion people from coming to the united states. >> because -- >> because of their religion. >> because of the god they worship. >> much more offensive and on a grander scale than going after one judge. it's difficult to understand why one sort of went by with, you know, obviously people were upset with it, but it didn't derail him and this is. and the venue is different. >> so we're looking at the polls, the yougov poll on where

trump's judge comments racist? 51% of americans say yes. 32% say no. 81% of democrats say yes, 10% say no. 44% independent, 32% no. republicans, 22% say yes they were racist. 65% say no. >> i think that's just they are associated with trump and they know he's the nominee and it's name i.d. if they had that associated with anyone else, i think those numbers would be very different. >> there's a poll that went up a second before that one which was more interesting in some ways. and it's this one. was trump right to say the trump had a conflict for being mexican? >> the muslim ban, wrong as we all said it was, was connected to something. san bernardino had just happened. hi he was playing on the fear of the american public. this is connected to a civil lawsuit -- >> against him. >> that impacts only him and trump university. >> and he lied. >> there's no core american -- >> am i right?

>> there's a question of his business. >> he lies about everything. which lie in particular? >> wasn't his first comment he's -- i don't even want to repeat his words but he was not truthful exactly about this guy's background. >> i want to circle back around and get in trouble. >> okay. >> i was deeply disturbied throughout the republican primary to see the number of republicans who supported his muslim ban. and the number of republicans during the early primaries saying they actually wanted to ban mosques from the united states of america. let me look straight into the camera so this can never be wiped clean and i can't ever back off of it because i never would anyway. that's un-american. that is every bit as un-american as people targeting southern baptists because they don't like southern baptists. that's every bit as un-american as people targeting jews because they don't like jews. that's every bit as un-american as people targeting catholics

because they don't like catholics. there are a lot of conservatives, myself included, that say the catholic church has a right to push back on obamacare when it comes to making catholic services provide contraception. that's up to the catholic church. i didn't hear those conservatives in unison as outraged at the prospects of banning 1.4, 1.5 billion muslims from coming to this country as our united states constitution provides them the right to do, if they pass every, you know, everything they need to pass for citizenship. >> so you were against it then and even more vehemently and outspokenly against it now. n i think the reason is because at this point, i think it was expected that he would pivot. it was expected he would pull back. it was expected leaders in washington perhaps would have some impact on him and be a part

of that. and you're not because you're weak and spineless and you are making a huge mistake because this will end up hurting you. but anyhow, that's day trading which a lot of people do stupidly. and then he doubles down on this sort of hatred and broiling up fear and hate between ethnic groups by going after this judge. just going out, just blurting it out like i'm just going to protect myself by calling him a mexican or whatever. >> by the way, he -- in the sprue interview he goes, he's mexican. >> that's crazy. >> that's like me saying to donald trump, you're scottish. you aren't even american. you're scottish. >> and tapper says, he was born in indiana. >> but donald trump, by donald trump's own definition, he's not an american. that can be trusted because his mother was born in scotland.

>> well, we ought to look into that. that's frightening. good lord. let's think of all the stereotypes we can attach to that. no, let's not. it's dumb. >> really bad cooks. do we really want our white house taken over by a bunch of red-haired scots? seriously. willie, what do you have to say about all of this? >> the curiel family did it the right way. the way donald trump wants people to do it. >> yeah, exactly. >> he doesn't want people coming in here illegally. he wants to build the wall. all the things he said are wrong. they did it the right way. they came here and their son grew up to be this prominent federal judge. that's supposed to be what we look up to. >> no, instead the republican nominee is attacking him. fantastic. welcome to america. trump's america. many high-profile elected republicans are still not forgiving trump, including wisconsin governor scott walker who is one of several republicans withholding their

support until trump owns up n apologizes for his remarks. >> the sad fact is, it's just sad in america that we have such poor choices right now. >> he's not yet the nominee. officially that won't happen until the middle of july. for me that's kind of the time frame. in particular, i want to make sure that he renounces what he says. at least in regards to this judge. >> the fact is that donald trump still needs to apologize for his comments, and saying that his comments were misconstrued is not an apology. i would like to hear him apologize to the judge, apologize to the american people. admit for once that he made a mistake and then move on and start focusing like a laser on economic issues. >> it's not a comfortable position to be in to not back the party's nominee. and i'm not a fan of hillary

clinton. i want to see a republican in the white house. but i can tell you, given the positions mr. trump has taken so far, he's not going to get there. to talk about a ban on muslims. talk about revisiting libel laws to more easily go after journalists, then this new rant against this judge calling an american born in indiana a mexican and going after him. he just can't take positions like that and win the white house. >> and then there's this. conservative radio host hugh hewitt has called for the changing of the rules of the republican national convention to allow the gop to find an alternative to donald trump as its nominee. on his own radio program yesterday, hewitt said he came to the conclusion after what he called the worst 72 hours for the republican party in more than 15 years. >> right now, the republican party is facing -- the plane is headed towards the mountain. i think the party ought to

change the nominee because we're going to get killed with this nominee. i've never said that. i stayed switzerland until the end and then 72 hours dovetailed with that. they ought to get together and let the convention decide that. republican lawyer ben ginsburg said some rules could still be changed. the trump campaign social media director tweeted out, assume hater hugh hewitt will not be attending the gop convention. if he is, the rnc should ban him from attending. however, when trump spokeswoman hope hicks was asked if it was their position that the rnc block hewitt from attending the convention, she replied with a simple no. rnc chairman reince priebus and house speaker paul ryan will be among the attend easy for mitt romney's utah retreat starting later today bringing together the never trump movement with gop leaders who have said they'll vote for the presumptive nominee.

that should be fascinating. that should. this is not going to go away. i don't know. does anyone think -- he has to apologize. this is the one time in donald trump's life, the one time, and, look -- >> he's not going to apologize. >> apologize is not a word in his vocabulary. >> this is the one time in his life that he has to say he made a mistake. he can't say -- i'm not going to talk about it anymore. he can't say -- >> i don't think you pivot from racism. i just don't. i don't think you can say, all those racist things i said about that judge, i feel bad about it. i don't mean it. i don't think you can put that genie in the bottle. for a ton of people, this is totally unacceptable and they'll not forget it. >> it's changed everything. >> when jeff flake goes up there and says you can't take positions like that and win the white house. you don't need to add "and in the white house" to that.

you can't take that position. >> jeff brings up a point again that i was talking about yesterday. republicans who right now are trying to play it safe by not speaking out against trump because they don't want hillary to be president, they are actually getting the worst of both bargains. by remaining quiet and by tacitly standing behind trump, they damage the brand so badly that not only does hillary become president, but they also lose the senate and they also get slaughtered in the house. so it is a conservative wipe out. it's a republican wipe out. americans want to see someone with courage stand up and speak up against this bigotry. >> i don't think even if all those things weren't true, i don't think it matters. they have to say the right thing. racism is racism is racism. if this was some sort of weird blurt out of his mouth, he should say that. he should have said that.

>> can't say -- >> you can't pretend this didn't happen. it's impossible. and it's painful actually to watch. >> yeah. >> none of us are enjoying this and repeating this again and again. broiling hate in this country. you can't do this. you have to apologize. at least. >> if he wants to be president, this moment is a terrible contrast for him with hillary clinton. she's got the high ground right now. every interview she's asked about this she says i'm not going to get in the gutter. those are despicable. let him say those things. we're going to talk about the issues. she's in the brooklyn yard at this historical moment and he's in this defensive crouch about a judge in a civil case. if he wants to within, this is not a good look for him. there's been pressure on bernie sanders to get out of the rai race but none like this before. we'll go live to the white house for a preview of what president

obama might say to the democratic candidate when they meet later this morning. plus, hillary clinton surrogate senator claire mccaskill. we'll ask if she's willing to use elizabeth warren if it means warren will become clinton's running mate. first, buill karins with a check on the weather. >> 19 hotshot firefighters were lost three years ago and structures were burned. people are evacuated and had to grab their animals and everyone headed out of town. a scary situation considering what happened three years ago. 600 acres. about helped firefight100 firef on that. the forecast is about 88 degrees today. gusts shouldn't be that today. 10 to 20-mile-an-hour. this is where it's located between phoenix and the grand canyon not far from prescot, arizona. over the weekend, temperatures in the 80s. hopefully they can get control of that blaze and get back to their lives.

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coming up, vice president biden said we should, quote, be a little graceful when it comes to nudging bernie sanders out of the race. but will president obama follow that advice when he meets the senator from vermont at the white house this morning? kristen welker joins us live from the white house ahead. plus, one of our favorite senators, senator claire mccaskill joins us. she's my favorite. she join the conversation. >> she's everybody's favorite. ating and cooling systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it. it's harto stop a ane. really hard. tre. the most reliable for a reason.

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tomorrow is eight years to the day after i withdrew and endorsed then senator obama. i believed it was the right thing to do. >> i have all the confidence in the world bernie is going to do the right thing. >> i think bernie is a good man. trying to do the right thing. >> always do the right thing. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i got it. i'm gone. >> very interesting. hillary in compton yesterday. donald trump going to be there today. >> yeah. as pressure -- what? >> you don't think so? >> everything you say is interesting to me. >> is it really? >> fantastic. >> as pressure mounts on senator bernie sanders to drop out of the democratic race, he is in washington today to meet with president obama and harry reid. joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent crikristen welker who is at the white house

for a change. she's been on the road covering the clinton campaign. any indication as to what the president will be saying to senator sanders? >> well, i've been talking to my sources here at the white house and top democratic officials. this is what we're expecting right now. i anticipate president obama will try to gently nudge senator sanders to eventually concede. one top democratic source telling me the president's posture going into this meeting is going to be, look, the math is the math. how can i help start this process of unifying this party. he's going to listen to senator sanders. all of his demands he'd like to see as part of the party platform, some of the changes in the democratic process but the goal here, the end game here is to get him to concede sooner rather than later. the tone of this meeting is going to be so incredibly important and it has been so important from the president's perspective. he hasn't wanted to alienate or

upset senator sanders. aides close to senator sanders say that he is feeling good heading into this meeting, that he liked what president obama had to say last night on jimmy fallon. that's an interview that's going to air today. it was taped last night. in which he essentially praised the campaign that senator sanders has run. said it's made the process stronger. those are the types ever things we'll hear in this meeting today. the president is going to walk a very fine line. secretary clinton will be at her home in chappaqua watching all of this unfold. i am sure she acknowledged during an interview with lester holt she has a key role to play in terms of unifying the party as well. >> we are reaching out through our campaigns to his campaign, and i've made it clear that i'm going to do everything i can to make it possible for him to be a good partner in our joint efforts to pursue these goals that i mentioned and to defeat

donald trump. >> now while all of this plays out, we're learning senator warren is set to endorse secretary clinton soon, as early as next week. that's important because she is a big fire brand for progressives. she's someone who can help to unify the party to energize senator sanders supporters. she's seen as being a possible vp pick. >> kristen welker, thank you. >> the math is pretty clear. >> what's the math? >> it all comes down to the maths. bernie says it. he knows arithmetic. it's all about the math. >> but it's also about his message and -- >> i'm just saying at the end of the day it comes down to arithmetic. let's talk to somebody about that. >> joining us, democratic senator claire mccaskill. she is supporting -- let me see. i think it's hillary clinton. that's my gut. >> i'm sure senator mccaskill, you'll agree it's all about the math. and the number today is 11.

st. louis cardinals, 11 games back. >> you are awful. i think technically it might be 10 1/2, but -- >> so "usa today" at 11. but, no it is 10 1/2 this morning. >> it's 10 1/2. but we're in the toughest division in baseball. can i use that as my excuse today? >> no. >> the cubbies are hot this year. peralta is back. great night last night. had his first home run after being back from injury. never count us out. >> you know your cards. >> that was an injury. his steroid suspension was earlier. >> no. barnicle, barnicle, you're terrible. >> how about the math with bernie? is it time for him to give up the ghost and call it a day? >> everybody needs to be patient. this is hard. there's a lot of passion. there's a lot of enthusiasm. so all of us, i think, are really being very respectful, which we should be.

we have to respect what he has done and what he has brought to the debate. and i think it will all turn out fine. i especially think we're having a great week if you look at everything in perspective compared to what's going on in the republican party. >> what has he done? what has he done to the debate, the conversation? who were his supporters, and what can he contribute to team hillary? >> i think he allowed the country to see how many americans are disgusted with citizens united and all the secret dirty money that is washing around in politics now because of that really flawed supreme court decision. >> but isn't your candidate the greatest benefactor of that this campaign cycle? certainly not donald trump or bernie sanders. >> listen, hillary clinton has campaigned every day on getting rid of citizens united. >> but you're talking about the dirty money. hillary is the only one who has really taken it, by your

definition of dirty money. clinton hasn >> donald trump has like six or seven wall street guys raising money for him right now. >> come on. talk about false equivalency and wall street money between hillary clinton and donald trump? do we want to compare the two? you don't want to. just like you don't want to compare the cubs and cardinals this season. you don't want to compare the wall street money. >> joe, listen. there's one party that wants to get rid of citizens united. there's one party that wants to block us getting rid of citizens united. that is very clear in this presidential campaign. if we are elected, if we take the senate we'll finally be able to pass the disclose act. we'll finally be able to do something about citizens united. and all of us agree with that, including hillary clinton. >> mike barnicle? >> senator, the other evening as hillary clinton accepted her

victory in california, in new jersey, and went over the top in terms of delegates it was a truly historic moment. in her speech, her appearance reflected that. but do you get the set that it's of such historic proportion but it's a bit overshadowed because it follows the election of the first black president in the history of the united states of america and maybe her selection as a vice presidential candidate, if she chose a woman, that -- do you think it may just be too over the top to have another woman on the ticket? >> well, i don't agree with that. i think hillary clinton needs to select a vice president that can step in to be president, and i don't think gender should be taken into the equation. >> i agree, but politically. your sense politically. >> i don't know. i don't think really it would be a problem. i think this country is ready. and you say was it overshadowed? i will tell you, women all over

the world noticed, and women in america noticed. if i had a cousin of my husband's i don't know well and she had 12 of her girlfriends over tuesday to drink wine. they were between 77 and 82. just to watch that happen. that went on all over this country. women have noticed that we've reached this milestone. believe me, it's a big deal. >> you raised your hand. were you with 12 women between 77 and 82 drinking wine the other night when she got over the top. >> was it a tuesday? of course. one of the things is this country has had some history with having two members of the same gender on a presidential ticket. i think we'll get beyond it if it's two females. the quick topic on vice presidential picks. let's say hypothetically nominee clinton comes to you and says i'd like to talk to you about potip potentially serving.

>> yes it should be claire. >> would you entertain the idea? >> no -- >> really? >> come on, claire. >> i have got a great idea that i thought about last night. i figured out who donald trump's vice president should be. >> who is that? >> at least he learned how to apologize. he's got political experience. he -- that would be todd akin. >> oh, you are very naughty. >> the perfect vice president for donald trump. >> remember a couple of years ago? >> i do. >> are you responsible for sending the -- raising $2 million for -- >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> well, the ad said it was paid for by me. wasn't a secret. >> todd akin. >> i think you'd be amazing. >> how exciting. let's do that. >> i think todd akin would be perfect. >> what about elizabeth warren

for hillary clinton? >> i think she would be great. i think so many of my colleagues would be great. i'm a big tim kaine fan. a warrior, articulate. he's been governor. fluent in spanish. a lot of work in social justice. sherrod brown is great. there's a lot of choices out there. >> senator claire mccaskill. it's always great to see you. how are you feeling? >> i feel great. i predict donald trump does not apologize. this is a guy who famously said, now think about this. this is what he said that he has never asked god for forgiveness. now if he won't ask god to forgive him, i have a feeling he won't ask the american people to forgive him. >> that's a good point. >> it's true. >> the whole thing is too bad. still ahead, the best of the worst. rapper snoop dogg gave us a first pitch for the ages yesterday. >> i like the way you said snoop

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50 cent in 2014. just as bad if not worse, i would say. watch this one for a second. >> oh, my lord. >> here's carl lewis. throwing out the ceremonial first pitch. >> whoa, whoa. >> this is terrible. this is my favorite one. how about this from cincinnati mayor martin -- before the reds home opener. i wouldn't get that close. that made it maybe five feet. finally for the record. president obama before the nationals home opener in 2010. at least able to make it somewhere near the plate. no, not really. and in the best of category, it was all strikes when george w. bush threw it across home plate in the 2001 world series shortly after september 11th. >> hold on.

hold on. >> we've got to get to the read. joe and mika at the dodgers game in 2009 against the pittsburgh pirates. that ain't bad. better than snoop dogg. >> i had to jump back. >> right over the top, barnicle. >> derek jeter said to george w. bush, don't mess this up. >> and he did not. >> and he did it wearing a kevlar vest. >> wow. >> and then -- >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," -- >> i don't think we're going to work out like that. no way they're going to vote for a dude named barack hussein obama. no way in hell. oh. did you see when he won the iowa caucus. he was the most shocked dude on

stage. i won? well, yes, we can then. >> if that was before president obama took office. imagine how much material he has no. one of the original kings of comedy d.l.hughley is here. gary, gary, gary... i am proud of you, my man. making simple, smart cash back choices... with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. like on that new laptop. quicksver keeps in simple, gary. and smart, like you! and i like that. i guess i am pretty smart. don't let that go to your head, gary. what's in your wallet?

all right. d.l. hughley started imagining what was going through barack obama's head even before he got elected president. now he's out with a book that everybody is laughing at. you guys have to stop reading it so we can do the interview. "black man. white house an oral history of the white house." on the back, abraham lincoln says -- i want to be free, but not like in my house free. but, listen, that's -- >> can we talk about this book on cable? >> i don't think you can. >> this is cable, right? >> all these people, they would be very -- they would be very like gentile and corgial.

he said there's a new app that lets you know if your friends are racist and it's called facebook. you'd see these divergent opinions and nobody would have them out loud. we thought it would be hilarious to write a book about actual events. >> people tweet and don't think it's going to a broader world. >> to me it's like when i see what's happening. and barack obama for a lot of people. up until the iowa, nobody really thought he'd win. in south carolina, hillary was killing him in south carolina. when he won in iowa, it turned the whole thing around. >> then they wanted to kill him in south carolina. >> we all had the same reaction for different reasons. barack obama was aspirational but to a lot of people he was a bullet in the head of the ideas. >> you just wanted to add some

cheap shots. >> i feel like part of the thing behind this book is you feel when you watch obama that he wants to say things that he knows he can't say and he won't say it. maybe after his presidency. >> i think even then, he just to me doesn't seem to be the kind of man that would ever. he seems dignified and poised. >> he's pretty cool. >> this is your way of helping him say it. >> absolutely. >> this one about the baby wearing the shirt that says tigger. i'll let you read -- >> i like the picture of obama with the pope and he tells the pope, i think michelle has that. >> so let's talk about some things you may not think are funny. donald trump. >> racist. if i'm in the car and somebody i'm with commits a crime. police pull me over. they don't go -- i can't make an

argument i didn't know. it's like a missouri compromise to me. >> so you don't buy paul ryan buying what he says is racist -- >> he's saying a racist is better than a liberal. >> wat about bernie sanders? >> i think bernie sanders is a nice old man. he is like a.l. williams. like bernie looks disheveled. great ideas. not even great ideas but great thoughts. not sure they're fully formed ideas. college is a way out of control. what we do about it is -- if you are talking about the future, i have to be sure you're going to be around to see it. i just think that he -- when america is so hungry for change that the two people leading it are two old white guys. that's how hungry for change they are. going back like -- we're a very bipolar country. we want to be different, aspirational. we put harriet tubman on the

front of the 20 and leave andrew jackson on the back. shrive on the front and slave owner on the back which means even on money we still have a supervisor. it's crazy. >> did you have any level of disappointment that the president has not spoken more about being black and -- >> well, i think that he is a man who i think has a different set of circumstances that he grew up with. and, yes, obviously there are things i would like for him to have said. but i imagine he's in a very precarious position. and there are things i wish he had been more -- for instance, if what happened in ferguson happened with, you know, like i remember when i lived in los angeles when rodney king happened. and they were acquitted. and it was george bush sr. that said we have to get these cats on federal. to the extent the cats who got convicted are now my limo drivers. one of the dudes is my limo driver. if it were a white president, he'd feel more pressure to be

more active about some of those things. >> that's actually early on we had -- i don't know if it was cornell west at the very beginning saying it was going to be harder for barack obama on race issues. >> sure. >> and tavis smiley who was talking about this. in late 2008, it's going to be tougher for a black man to pursue some of these issues than it would be for white. on race issues. >> if you describe to me, and i couldn't see them, all the elements that make obama who he is. like i think he's thoughtful. humane, decent. and donald trump, who would you want your child to be? who would you really want if donald trump was your child and he acted like that, you'd whip his -- and a man who is beneath the presidency of the united states of america.

i love hillary clinton but -- i see these people and they say things that are so insulting and then say, well, at least his ideas are better than these other ideas. if you are surrounded by -- if you are surrounded by people who think it's okay to be comfortable at rallies and say the things they say, that you say the things you say out loud and nobody brings you to account for it that in the '70s you were -- >> you're supposed to be in a different place. >> if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it says the "n" word. >> you can't sit on both sides of the dividing line. >> to your point yesterday, i want you -- and to me, you were in a very precarious position because you have an idea what the party -- you talked about, you are the party of lincoln. you have to update your resume when you keep going back to the dude on the penny. i'm just saying. that is -- you have to make --

include people. i think the things -- when you sit on -- take a picture of you eating a bowl of nachos n say my hispanics love me. >> it was a taco salad. >> it's too much. >> the book is "black man. white house." d.l. hugh ley, thank you. that does it for us this morning on "morning joe." >> you can start reading and laughing again. this segment is over. >> i just heard them screaming in the hall. the rage. proud of you, son. ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you.

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