and a good friday morning to you. i'm craig melvin. we are in louisville, kentucky, where the city and the world are preparing to say good-bye to muhammad ali. a man who grew up here, born here, but made his name worldwide as one of the best who ever laced up a pair of boxing gloves. we're also covering some breaking political news this morning as well. hillary clinton and elizabeth warren will be meeting at clinton's d.c. home any moment now. a live look there. steve kornacki will have that

covered in a few moments. first a processional will get under way here shortly in louisville. it will take the champ's body past some notable locations from his life, including the ali center. also his childhood home as well. eventually taking him to cave hill cemetery where he will be laid to rest. among the pallbearers, two former heavyweight champs, l lennox lewis and mike tyson. will smith also a pallbearer. smith portrayed muhammad ali in the oscar-nominated film. then this afternoon a public memorial, including a celebration of the life of muhammad ali including eulogies from bryant gumbel and former president bill clinton as well. a fitting tribute for a man who to many of us was so much bigger than boxing. >> i told you, all of my

critics, i told you all that i was the greatest of all time. i'm going to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. his hands can't hit what his eyes can't see. >> ali backed up all that talk in the ving as well. lifetime record of 61 wins. he was an olympic gold medalist in 1960 and then a three-time heavyweight champ taking part in some of the most famous matches ever. the thriller in manila and the fight of the energy as well. after the boxing ended, ali became a global ambassador, a philanthropist. but he wasn't always universally admired. he refused induction to fight in vietnam and that cost him some of the best years of his career. and then later parkinson's transformed the champ into a sympathetic figure. slower, quieter, but no less

beloved. >> i think of muhammad ali as one of the greatest americans of the 21st century who is the embodiment of love, compassion, determination, commitment. >> it was just our love for him and the service he gave to the world. >> people come from all around the world to pay respects to muhammad because he meant so much to everyone. >> this is our time as a city to be the greatest that we can be as we come together to say good-bye to our beloved friend one last time. >> ron allen and janet shamlian are also here in louisville with me. let us start with you, ron, at the beginning of today's procession. you are about 20 miles to my south here of a.d. porter and sons funeral home as i understand it. we're talking about almost a 20-mile procession. give us an overview of what we can expect today. >> well, craig, it's just a

wonderful day and a wonderful time to be here in louisville. there's such an outpouring of love and affection. even though he was the greatest and the worldwide icon, muhammad ali was also a neighbor and a friend and so many people here in this community have personal stories of them or their family knowing him. remember, it was age 12 when he started boxing. an olympic gold medalist by 18 and heavyweight champion by the age of 22. to have a figure like that in your own town gives you some sense of the depth of connection that people here in louisville have with muhammad ali. across the street, there's the funeral home. the family of the extended family of dozens has been gathering there. we think there's going to be a motorcade of about 17 cars or more that are going to travel slowly through the city from here on the outskirts. it's supposes to take about an hour but if it takes an hour, i will be surprised. the mayor and others have asked for people to come out into the streets to pay their respects, to pay tribute to show the world

how much louisville loves their hometown hero. so it will be a very slow procession. and it will literally be the last opportunity for so many people to spend some time with muhammad ali. that's what this moment is going to be. and, of course, it's the procession that starts the day off and then later the memorial service downtown. there's been a week of mourn, a week of celebrations near louisville. i want to bring in marcia simms who is a resident, a neighbor, a friend. and tell me more about, what is your most enduring memory of muhammad ali? >> my most enduring memory is when he stood up for his beliefs on the vietnam war. my mom and dad were very political people. and they discussed politics with us. and that really struck me as a child. >> that's interesting. it wasn't one of the fights, the norton fight or frazier fights.

>> all of those fights were great but it was his political views. i grew up in a time when that was important. and so my mom and dad shared their opinions and taught us how to stand for our beliefs. >> he was someone who spoke for somebody in the '60s and '70s. there was a time when the civil rights movement was in full force. >> that is correct. >> i heard some people say he spoke for me. he said what i couldn't say. >> exactly. exactly. >> let me start back to craig melvin now. we start the procession out here to start around 9:30. thank you for joining us. we'll hear more throughout the day from people because they're lining the routes, thousands, perhaps more, tens of thousands paying respects to their hero. >> ron allen here in louisville and i can attest to the fact, after spending a few days here, that everyone in this city has a muhammad ali story. the procession will be proceeding through the streets

as ron indicated, passing the muhammad ali center, just down the road from us. janet shamlian is at that center that bears his name. what can we expect during that part of the procession? >> good morning. this is the only place the procession is expected to physically stop. the muhammad ali center built in 2005 as a tribute to the champ. and besides his home, craig, this is the place over the past few days that people have come to bring flowers and posters and remember the champ. just a few minutes ago, we saw kareem abdul-jabbar here talking with people and sharing some of his memories. it's really important to remember that all of this was planned by ali himself. he wanted it to be open to the people. and that's what we're seeing here today. dozens of people, and it's early. already gathering here. but the part that he couldn't plan is just as inspiring. you walk around this community and the buses in louisville, they are all flashing, not the

route sign but ali, the greatest. you walk into the coffee shops and the businesses here and they've got selective quotes of ali's put up on their walls. and there are chalkboards outside of local businesses and restaurants where people can write their own tributes. so he plans so much of this, including the ali center recognition here. but what he couldn't plan is just as inspiring as we're seeing people gather here now, craig. >> janet shamlian over there. just a stone's throw from where we sit at the ali center. janet, thank you. we'll be spending a lot of time with you throughout the day. i want to bring in "new york times" sports writer bill rhoden now. 14 years old. you watched him win the championship. and you say that it was ali who inspired you to become a journalist. >> absolutely. he also taught me how to talk trash. i mean, really. he took talking trash to a whole other level. and my dad who, bless his soul,

died when he was 94, he was a joe lewis guy. my father loved joe lewis. and i remember -- because this is really an emotional thing for me, man, but i remember when joe lewis died, because he framed my father's generation. but he told me, it was almost like i felt i lost a piece of me. and i didn't really understand until now. now i understand exactly what he meant because i really feel like i've lost -- here's somebody from the time i was 14 until now. at every single level. i'm in high school and getting the draft, i -- the draft was not voluntary. n we all lived in like fear of g getting it. and i got mine. i'm like, how am i going to deal with this. he taught you either stand for principle or you go. i'm 17 years old and i absorbed that message about principle. seeing a young brother, and that's really important. as universally loved as he was, he always reminded people, i'm a

black man. he never lost connection with the community. and -- >> you mentioned joe lewis. i don't think a lot of people, at least in my generation perhaps, they don't understand that ali was the antithesis of joe lewis and jackie robinson. they were in so many ways acceptable to the establishment. >> not the antithesis, an evolution. >> okay. >> certain things robinson had to do to survive. joe lewis had to do to survive. ali came. new rules. i'm black, i'm beautiful, i'm pretty. it's a whole other thing. and for us, for a younger generation it was almost like lebron for a generation or steph curry. like a whole other evolution. but do you think that those two guys that you just mentioned, and jordan, we've had some great athletes, sure. but none of them seem to have

possessed that -- whether it's this sense of responsibility, this greater calling that he possessed. >> yeah, and a lot of that was a contest. it was a context. because it was the war. it was a war. and he came out against his own country and the war. that was -- you are absolutely right. for me, he set the standard of what an athlete, what a black athlete should be. like you said, it goes beyond boxing. >> yes. >> how are you going to use this podium to make a difference for your community, to make a difference for the black community. what kind of stance are you going to take? anybody can shoot a basket or knock somebody out. but to use that podium to say, this is principle and there's something that principle is the only thing that matters. what do you stand for? when this big system says, okay, if you don't kowtow, we're going to take your belt. he said take it. he said we're going to put you out of boxing.

do it. because there's something more important than material things. and that's principle. man, that is a tremendous -- that's a tremendous lesson for people to learn. and i hope that as we go on this day, people will going forward, what does muhammad ali stand for? the spirit lives. >> bill rhoden, we're all glad that muhammad ali inspired you to get into journaljournalism. appreciate your insight. also wrote a fantastic book on the life of muhammad ali as well. coming up, steve kornacki will take over to talk about a big night in politics. also, the big day ahead. elizabeth warren set to meet with hillary clinton any moment now, just hours after endorsing her right here on msnbc. are the democrats fully united? that's up next. on car insurance. but first, my luggage. ahh, there it is. uh, excuse me, sir? i think you've got the wrong bag.

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donald trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one but himself. you, donald trump, are a total disgrace. we will not allow a small, insecure, thin-skinned wannabe tyrant or his allies in the senate to destroy the rule of law in the united states of america. >> welcome back. in new york, i'm steve kornacki. a big night in politics last night. a busy day ahead here. that was elizabeth warren just last night taking aim at donald trump. and that was right before warren announced she will, in fact, be endorsing hillary clinton. she made that announcement on msnbc's "rachel maddow show" last night. warren and clinton will meet in private at clinton's d.c. home. we're monitoring this live as you see our camera at their home

there in washington. the talks today, the latest in an increasing dialogue between the two over the last month. warren, of course, had been somewhat conspicuous in her neutrality during the democratic primary process. kasie hunt tracking the story this morning in washington. not sure if we have her with us. we're working on setting that up. hallie jackson as well with us on the donald trump campaign. trump is in washington today to speak to the faith and freedom conference in washington. and, hallie, it's been a couple of days since we actually heard from donald trump in public at least. he gave that speech on tuesday night. noticeably with a teleprompter, with a script, seeming to try to deliver a message to republicans that he can stay on message. what are we expecting today? is there any chance he addresses this controversy over his statements with that judge more directly? there's calls for an apology. it would be very un-trumplike.

>> trump himself, according to sources within the republican party has told donors, has told members of the establishment fund-raisers that he is just going to stop talking about judge gonzalo curiel, the judge overseeing that's case against trump university. the comments that have gotten trump in so much controversy. so i don't expect that he'll talk about it. i think what you'll see is at the faith and freedom conference which is set to begin at least for donald trump right around 12:30. that's when we think we'll hear him in the noon hour. you'll see him reach out to evangelicals, this faith-based community and talk about his own faith like he has done back to when we were covering him in the lead-up to iowa. he talked about what his faith meant to him. what i'm really looking to is a rally later tonight in richmond, virginia. the start of donald trump's battleground state swing. he heads to virginia and florida, eventually ohio, pennsylvania, north carolina, too. so there is where i think you'll

see him go after elizabeth warren hard. we'll go after hillary clinton hard. he was already doing that in his stump speeches so far. this will be his first real rally since the general election or what is effectively the general election began since tuesday night. this is sort of donald trump at his, to coin a word, trumpiest. in front of his supporters, in front of people whose energy he's feeding off of, and that's when you see donald trump unscripted. that's what we're looking to to see how he hits warren and clinton. he tweeted this morning pocahontas is at it again. goofy elizabeth warren, one of the least productive u.s. senators has a nasty mouths. hope she is vp voice. warren as befits the attack dog role she has stepped into, fired right back. she said, no, seriously, delete your account, playing off of that hillary clinton tweet yesterday that got so much attention, steve. so it's a war of words. it's a war online. the question is, has donald trump met an adversary that he's going to be able to engage with. and he already is engaging with in the next five months. >> hallie jackson in washington.

we're waiting a few hours from now, agoain for that donald trup speech. on the left side of the screen, the scene outside the clintons' home in washington, d.c. a meeting expected there between hillary clinton and elizabeth warren. elizabeth warren climbing on board the clinton bandwagon just last night on the "rachel maddow show." kasie hunt, i understand we have that signal. there's kasie hunt in front of that house. elizabeth warren getting on board with hillary clinton last night. i thought the most -- i think we can actually play the sound. the most notable part of the interview was at the end when elizabeth warren was asked about comments from ed rendell, a former dnc chair basically saying she's not qualified to be vp. let me play that exchange. >> if you were asked to be secretary clinton's running mate, do you believe you could do it? and by that i mean the most important job of being a vice president is to be ready to be president if, god forbid, something hand to the commander

in chief. i ask you because ed rendell, former dnc chairman and former pennsylvania governor said recently you were in no -- not in any way, shape or form ready to be commander in chief. i want to know if you think you could be. >> yes, i do. >> kasie, that answer is getting a lot of attention today. >> not quite a mike drop, steve, but pretty close. and it really is. the chatter about elizabeth warren as a potential vice presidential contender has gone from a simmer to a boil if not full-on explosion between that's interview, the increasing context between secretary warren and secretary clinton as well as elizabeth warren's increasing attacks on donald trump. she gave a speech last night to a liberal legal group that i covered. and she just absolutely ripped into him, calling him a racist bully. really kind of showing how she

can go out there and potentialily tap into the anger and frustration of that populist democratic base and effectively attacking trump. and democrats at this point are worried about making sure that they bring out and activate all parts of the party. struggling to connect with some of those progressive voices in the party. and the reality is here, this coming together is pretty significant for that reason. n we're waiting, of course, for elizabeth warren to arrive here at hillary clinton's home in washington, d.c., where they are expected to meet this morning. democratic aides tell me, of course, later in the day she's going to give a speech to planned parenthood and then this evening at this house, they're going to talk to some of their top donors. so trying to hit three key points here today. as they come off what's really been a really strong week for hillary clinton. the campaign, i'm told, was celebrating at brooklyn headquarters yesterday as they

watched president obama's video playing on the screen. of course, almost eight years to the day that she conceded to barack obama. and, meanwhile, priorities usa, that's super pac supporting hillary clinton is going up on the air in north carolina which shows you the clinton campaign and that super pac believe that state is in play. yet another sign of strength for the clinton campaign going forward, steve. >> kasie hunt outside of the clintons' home in washington, d.c. kasie mentions the clinton campaign feeling good about how this week has played out for them. the flip side for donald trump, some discouraging news. a new fox news poll coming out overnight. you see still this is -- they tested one with gary johnson, the libertarian candidate. one without. but what you see in both of them is hillary clinton remaining stable and donald trump slipping a bit. this over -- this since the last time fox took the poll last month and, of course, donald trump for the past week, the headlines about donald trump have been about his comments about that judge and also the

rebukes he's received from some very prominent republicans, including speaker of the house paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, the top republican in the u.s. senate. so donald trump slipping a little bit in that fox news poll. hillary clinton not gaining any, but a troubling sign nonetheless for donald trump. anyway, when we come back, craig melvin going to resume our coverage of muhammad ali's memorial procession as the world remembers the greatest. >> you couldn't decide, is this guy a boxer or a ballerina? the way he moved, the speed, the grace, the power. i knew it was something magical.

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5, 10 minutes we're told now. it will start at the a.d. porter n sons funeral home south of where i sit. a live look above the scene. the procession there will begin its 23-mile procession through the champ's hometown including the muhammad ali center, his high school, central high school, and then finally to cave hill national cemetery where he'll be laid to rest. ayman mohyeldin is at a park next to the ali center where a huge screen has been set up to watch today's memorial service. and one of the things that has struck me already as i've talked to folks outside the yum center here is people from tennessee, from detroit, south carolina, folks are descending on louisville en masse to pay tribute. >> yeah, absolutely. that speaks to the universality of muhammad ali's appeal, his legacy, his message. it resonated with so many

people. i spent the day yesterday at the muhammad ali center speaking to people coming from all corners of the world. people from the united kingdom, the middle east. and one of the things that struck me is whoever was coming to pay their respects to muhammad ali at the center here, they were doing it for whatever different reasons. i saw a group of young boxers here from the united kingdom. a group of young muslim americans, african-americans, and he spoke to each one of those groups and many groups in their own way. that's why they felt they needed to come and pay tribute to him not just as a boxer but a human rights activist, civil rights activist. that's what you're seeing unfold on the streets of louisville. we have some people that have begun lining up. we're not too far from the highway that's going to carry the funeral procession just as it stops by at the muhammad ali center as it winds its way down muhammad ali boulevard here in downtown louisville. as you mentioned, folks here expecting a huge turnout. they've actually put up this screen in the past 24 hours because they expect hundreds of

people to turn out. by some estimates as many as 800 or 1,000 will show up here. the american red cross is here because they know it's going to be a hot day. they expect this entire area to be full for the funeral procession when it gets under way n the memorial service later this afternoon, craig. >> as we're having this conversation, a look here at folks who have already started to gather along the highways here in louisville. that's i-64 that we're looking at, the on ramp to i-64 there. they are expecting hundreds if not thousands to line the route. the yum center seats 14,000, 15,000. they expect that to be at capacity and here's the thing. you probably already know folks who pay their respects to muhammad ali today are going to have to do it in blistering heat. it's going to be at least 93, 94 degrees before the humidity kicks in in louisville. you mentioned the universality as you put it of ali.

personified by the list of speakers that are going to be eulogizing him today. representatives from the muslim faith. of course, he was one of the most famous muslims in this country. representatives not just of that faith. the mormon faith as well. senator orrin hatch, buddhists, the jewish faith also going to be represented at the interfaith service as well. what does that tell you, ayman? >> certainly muhammad ali was, you know, rooted here in louisville. it's where his career began. as soon as he grew to prominence and began to articulate his views, his political views, social views, those messages resonated with communities all around the world. his position on the vietnam war. that resonated with a lot of people around the world. but his greatest work began when he left the boxing ring and as he began to champion some of these causes overseas. that's really when the world got

to see a side of muhammad ali that perhaps we didn't know at the time of his boxing career. he championed causes in africa. traveled all across africa, travelled to the middle east. made his way to refugee camps. met with palestinian refugees. so from his travels all around the world to the causes he's championed, it really has struck many world leaders. in fact, we saw that yesterday personified with a visit of turkey's president to muhammad ali center. he's attending both yesterday's funeral prayer service and today's memorial service. he came here and addressed the media. talked about why it was important to pay the respects as the leader of a muslim country here in the united states. he also spoke about the importance of muhammad ali's legacy to people and issues of justice around the world. a person who fought for justice in his own country but also championed that cause of justice around the world. and that's why his message really appeals to a lot of people i've been speaking to. >> turkey's president and we're also expecting king abdullah as well of jordan to be in

attendance today. ayman, thank you. as we cover this story here in louisville, some more breaking news in the sports world. for that we go back to steve kornacki in new york. >> that's right, craig. the loss of another sports legend we're just learning about. this is from our affiliate in detroit, wdiv. they report that gordie howe, mr. hockey, has passed away at the age of 88. gordie howe famous for a very, very long career in professional hockey from 1946 to 1980. he won four stanley cups. he won six hart trophies. the league's mvp trophy. he was in the top ten scoring in the national hockey league every year for 21 consecutive seasons. gordie howe came into the league back in 1946. he played his final season of professional hockey 1979, 1980. some breaks in there. he also made a very brief one-game comeback at the age of

69 in the 1997-'98 season, the detroit vipers of the international hockey league signed him to a one-day contract so that he could be the only hockey player in history who could say he played in every decade for six consecutive decades. 69 years old when he played his final hockey game at the professional level. there was also a famous term in hockey. they call this the hat trick in hockey is when you score three goals in a game. the gordie howe hat trick is when you had a goal, an assist and a fight in the same game. gordie howe, an absolute legend. our affiliate in detroit with the sad news of his passing at the age of 88. i'll be back with more politics after this. here's to breaking

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warren. l elizabeth warren coming off the sideline and endorsing hillary clinton. unity was the theme of the day for hillary clinton and democrats. not only did elizabeth warren make that endorsement. so did barack obama and vice president joe biden. >> to use the office of the presidency, were he to acquire it, to intimidate and undermine an independent judiciary would be blatantly unconstitutional abuse of power and would border on an impeachable offense for a president actually to use the great powers of the office to attempt to undermine a federal judge. >> biden there going after donald trump over trump's comments about the judge overseeing the trump university case. i want to bring in julie pace, white house correspondent for the associated press and aliana johnson. we've been hearing from the clinton campaign for a while. this idea of you haven't seen what we're going to be fully

capable of doing because we've been bogged down in this primary process. now we're starting to see what a concerted democratic attack to donald trump is going to look like. >> absolutely. i think yesterday was our first glimpse of that, but i think you'll sigh much more of that going forward. if you really think about this particularly in the very crucial stretch of this general election in late fall, mostly auct lly o you can envision, hillary clinton, barack obama, bill clinton, joe biden and elizabeth warren each in a different battleground state each day. that's a huge advantage. what the clinton campaign is trying to do is deploy these surrogates in very strategic ways, particularly to try to get bernie sanders supporters, these young voters out there. i think barack obama in particular is going to be focused on making sure that's young people are lining up behind hillary clinton in the fall. and donald trump simply does not have anything comparable to that.

>> meanwhile, on that point, donald trump doesn't have anybody out there comparable to that. right now he has to worry about keeping republicans barely behind him. this is from mitch mcconnell. he said in a podcast that just came out overnight, he was asked about the possibility of pulling his endorsement from donald trump over these comments. mcconnell said i'm not going to speculate about what he might say or about what i might do. this possibility of donald trump losing endorsements of prominent republicans, how real is it? >> i think he'll certainly lose endorsements. what is really significant is that, you know, in the democratic primary, bernie sanders was actually able to exact concessions from hillary clinton, pull her to the left and in a sense, he accomplished some of what he wanted to accomplish and can bow out gracefully. on the right in the primary, republicans have been able to exact zero concessions from donald trump. have not been able to accomplish

what they've wanted to at all. and so you have donald trump sitting atop an incredibly restive and disgruntled republican establishment that is now heading into convention angry, upset and, you know, you're hearing murmurs, of course, of people pulling endorsements but also of trying to find a different nominee and unseat him at the convention. i think that's unlikely to happen but the murmurs are significant. >> is there any reason trump is getting this message from republicans and is wanting to adjust his style? the speech he gave the other night and it was not a typical trump speech. a lot of messaged discipline but a lot of people wonder is donald trump capable of doing that for a sustained period of time? >> no, i think it's pretty clear he's not capable of doing that. sources tell me that the one thing that you can tell trump that will make him the most angry is you need to become more presidential. you need to change or to suggest

him to read a briefing. he's the proverbial box of chocolates. you never know what you're going to get with him. that's what's frustrating republicans. >> the backdrop for this, the polling, we can show it again, this is the fox news poll on the presidential race. it is sort of a good news/bad news for democrats. the good news if you are hillary clinton is you're ahead and donald trump is down six points since the last time they took this poll. the bad news would be for all of the grief that donald trump has brought upon himself here, the lead is only three points for hillary clinton. >> yeah, i think in both parties right now, there is a sense that we can't read too much into these polls. in part because hillary clinton is just coming out of her primary fight whereas donald trump has had about a month where he's been the presumptive nominee. also, they look at these polls and say, look, it's a divided country. it's very unlikely, unless donald trump completely implodes down the line or something happens with hillary clinton to

a similar effect that you're going to see a massive gap break out between now and the fall. so they are more focused on polls in battleground states and organization in these battleground states that the clinton camp would like to see clinton get a bit of a bump now that her primary battle is ending. but they're also very realistic this is a divided country and it's unlikely you'll see her with a massive lead probably at any points nationally. >> julie pace, iliana johnson, thanks for the time. live coverage of that memorial procession of the greatest, muhammad ali, as it heads towards his funeral this afternoon. up next, craig melvin back in louisville and "today's" matt lauer is going to join us as well. it's time for the" your business" entrepreneur of the week. with orders coming in from around the globe, ray sickles had to learn how to export. the owner of gherkees was nervous at first but practice

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you can also see a number of folks outside that funeral home as well. also gathered to pay their respects. we are told that hundreds if not thousands will line the procession route as the champ's body winds its way through the streets of louisville. louisville, of course, where he was born, where he grew up and learned how to box as well. that procession expected to take roughly an hour and a half, we're told, and it will be ending at cave hill cemetery where muhammad ali will be laid to rest later today. before that public ceremony, 2:00 behind me here at the yum center. a number of folks expected to give eulogies including billy crystal, bryant gumbel and president bill clinton as well. you would be hard pressed to find a bigger muhammad ali fan than the "today" show's matt lauer. one of the first things that struck me when i walked into

your office was that wall picture -- >> yeah. >> -- of muhammad ali that you have hanging. >> i've got several. the one you're talking about is a huge portrait of him, tight shot of his face. i've got a picture of him training under water in a swimming pool. i've got what is probably the most meaningful photo i have relating to him i bought in a gallery years and years ago. it's a picture of a fist from the elbow here, and i went up to the gallery owner and said what is that? he said it's muhammad ali's fist. i knew i had to have it. i was just obsessed with ali. i bought it and called ali up and they said we're in new york. bring it over and he'll sign it for you. i brought it over and went to this meeting and unrolled it. it's like this big. and the champ was sitting in a chair and looked at me. i handed him the pen and he looked up and went -- i said what's the matter? he goes, not my fist. i thought, i got ripped off. he smiled and gave that little smile and signed it.

i love the guy. i really do. and what you were talking about, this procession through the streets of louisville. as emotional as i think this memorial is going to be later, i think that's going to be what gets me. the images of the procession going through the streets and the people lining the streets and waving and saluting and getting to say good-bye to their hero. >> one of the most iconic images i bet a lot of folks had is muhammad ali in 1996 in atlanta. you were there. >> i was there with bryant gumbel, and we, you know, were in the stadium. and there was so much discussion as to who would light the cauldron and who the final torch bearers would be. and as janet evans made her way up the stairs to the top platform, bryant and i were standing there. and out of the shadows stepped muhammad ali. and i don't even know how to describe the feeling. first of all, the sound in the studio just stopped for a

second. there was almost complete silence, and then there was this roar that just grew. and i've said on the air before, i watched him trembling on that platform and yet, in some way, holding that torch, despite the fact that parkinson's had taken such a toll on his body, the image was extremely powerful. it was of a man who still had all of his power. power to make people stand up and cry and feel something. and i cried right along with him. you said you became a fan at theige the age of 7. >> my dad took me with him and by sheer chance, ali was there signing autographs. i begged my dad to wait in line. i got to shake his hand and got an autograph. i was hooked. i was thoroughly hooked before that just because of his personality and the look in his eye. what he could do to a room.

i said every time up until his mid-70s that he walked in a room, ali owned that room. all eyes went right to muhammad ali. the fact that was the case for more than a half century. >> this guy had influence and impact and inspired people from the tame he was 17 or 18 to the time he was 74. there's a short list of people who can say that. >> how is the family? >> i'm sure at some point this will hit her but she's been so busy planning what's going to happen today and inside that building behind us. she told me yesterday all the things that are happening. she thinks he is up there pulling all the strings. >> thank you so much. steve kornacki will pick up our coverage on the other side of this break. thank you.

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to endorse hillary clinton. you have them all climbing on board with hillary clinton's campaign, and not that much attention at least yesterday on better thannie sanders. >> i think that's right, steven, and obviously he's been overshadowed in some ways by what elizabeth warren is doing now. he'll get his own moment if he decides to step out and publicly endorse and campaign for hillary clinton. we're expecting elizabeth warren to arrive here around 10:45, they're actually loading furniture into the house for a big donor event that's scheduled for later tonight, hillary clinton's top fund-raisers expected to meet here at her home in washington as well. >> the waiting continues in washington, thanks for the update, we're going to keep an eye on this story, we'll let you know when that meeting begins

and ends, we'll find out exactly what happened inside there, while we continue to wait, we'll go back to craig melvin as the procession is about to get under way in mohammed ali's hometown. craig interviewed mohammed ali's son earlier this week, we'll play a little bit of that for you. >> he's already started with his partisans and it was pretty heavy so we have always had that spiritual relationship, where it hasn't always had to be words, we could look at each other and know what we were thinking type thing.

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