♪ take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you. nissan safety shield technologies, available in the altima, sentra and maxima. i'm ayman mohyeldin live at msnbc world headquarters in new york. breaking news this out of orlando, florida, where police are searching for the motive behind the shooting death of singer christina grimmie former contestant on the nbc show "the voice" and a youtube star. she was signing autographs after a concert in orlando friday night. >> a white male 21 years of age approached christina grimmie.

this was after the show. there were about 120 people inside the plaza, and she was doing, like, a meet-and-greet, you know, signing auto graphs and selling merchandise. so, in white male approached her and opened fire, striking her. at that -- almost immediately her brother marcus grimmie tackled the suspect to the ground. shortly after that the suspect killed himself. and obviously as we know, unfortunately, christina grimmie is y succumbed to those gunshot wounds. >> let's go to orlando with the very latest. place are searching for a motivation for this crime. but what have they learned about the suspect? >> reporter: well, they do have a name, ayman, they are not releasing it to the public at this time. they do say the suspect traveled to orlando from another florida city with the intent of

attacking christina grimmie. he was armed with two hand guns and extra ammunition and a large hunting knife. authorities are now going through his computer and cell phone looking for any possible motive. they don't believe grimmie knew her attacker. meanwhile, we have fans coming up to the concert venue today to leave flowers and handwritten notes to pay their respects. they are feeling a lot of shock and sadness this afternoon. >> just don't understand who would do -- why, why he would do this to her. what could she have possibly done to anybody? >> just have to look at it, like, follow your dreams always, don't take anything for granted, because you never know when the last time you're going to see someone or talk to someone. i've been a fan since 2011, way before she was even a contestant on "the voice." and seen all her videos, and just thinking now it's just horrible to think that she's no

longer here. >> reporter: those are sentiments rippling across social media right now and in hollywood. she not only was a singer, she was a contestant on "the voice" and her coach on "the voice" adam levine released a statement which reads in part, christina was a natural, a gifted talent, that comes along so rarely. she was taken from us too soon. this is yet another senseless act of extreme violence. and one more thing to add, police today are crediting christina's brother marcus with tackling the suspect. they say he believes -- they believe he prevented any further harm from coming to the crowd, about 120 which was still at the venue, ayman, following the concert. back to you. >> thank you, for that. reaction to grimmie's death has been pouring in on social media. fellow singer selena gomez who toured with christina in 2011 tweeting this picture of the two of them together saying, quote,

my heart is absolutely broken. for more reaction joining me on the phone is writer for an entertainment website pop crush. good to have you with us. you interviewed christina a few days ago. what did you discuss? what did she tell you about her career and how she felt it was go sng >> hi, yeah, christina was very enthusiastic. she was so positive and lighthearted. she was very, very excited about new material she was writing. she really wanted to have a full-length album out. she was touring in promotion of her current ep, and, i mean, she was such a sweetheart. >> and i know that for those who may be watching that aren't necessarily familiar with christina, she got her start on "the voice" when she went on to gain millions of followers on youtube as well. tell us a little bit more about her personality. i mean, we're seeing so much,

we're learning so much at least from the tribute that have been coming from adam levine and from selena gomez. but you had a chance to interact with her. what did you learn about her as a person in your brief time with her? >> in my brief time did her the interview itself was such a positive experience and it's hard for me to express that -- that she was only 22. she was very, very mature for her age even though she had this lighthearted personality, she was very humble, and so talented. i got a chance to hear her sound track and even though she was warming up she was extremely, extremely gifted as a vocalist and as -- >> we've been putting some of those reactions there online. but, i know as i mentioned, you had a chance to get to know her. she also had a large following on youtube, almost, you know, 3 million followers or subscribers on her youtube channel. what has been the reaction from her fans around the united states?

>> i mean, the love has been -- it's been pouring in, and i think people, myself included, are just shocked and confused by this. and it's -- it's a hard thing to lose another musician, another talented musician this year. it's been a rough year for me, for sure. >> all right. elizabeth, we'll have to leave it at that. but thank you very much. appreciate your insights on this tragedy and certainly we'll be following the developments throughout the course of the hour. >> thank you. turning to politics now. donald trump on the trail today in two battle ground states, and for those expecting to see a more restrained trump, you didn't really get that. in fact, at a rally in tampa, florida, he slammed mitt romney calling him out for his failed presidential bid. take a listen -- >> the guy's a stone-cold loser. he choked, and when you're a choker, you can never give a choker a second chance. it's too important. >> trump is expected to take the stage just outside of

pittsburgh, pennsylvania, in a short time from now. that's where nbc's katy tur is. good to have you with us. this pivot that trump keeps trying to make just doesn't seem to be sticking. on one hand, you know, trying to use a prompter in some speeches, on the other hand ad-libbing some of his comments and it's not really delivering to people what some are calling for, which is more presidential demeanor. >> reporter: well, that's what the republican establishment is calling for, and it's certainly what we've heard from some supporters on the campaign trail. but for the most part, his supporters seem to like his "shoot by the hip" style, they like that he's not politically correct and they like that he's fighting back, so ultimately donald trump has to decide if he wants to appeal to voters or appease the party or find a way to do both and increasingly it looks like the campaign believes they can do both. because every time the party has called for him to become more presidential, it's only lasted a couple days. i think this last scenario

was -- or the last -- this last go-around was just about two days before he became embroiled in another outrageous comment, this time calling elizabeth warren, again, calling her pocahontas, two days after he gave that more presidential victory speech in westchester. he's also going after republican leaders, talking about mitt romney again, calling him a choker. his social media manager even tweeting an article about paul ryan, saying paul ryan is the reason the gop is losing america. so, the candidate might come out and say that he wants to have party unity, he might be demanding party unity, but his actions aren't following through with that. but take a listen to how he called for the republican establishment to get behind him today -- >> they signed a pledge. the reason they wanted the pledge was because of me. they wanted me to sign the pledge. i would have honored the pledge, if i didn't make it, i would

have honored the pledge. the republican party and our leaders, we got to get down to business, we can't be -- i mean, i've had more opposition from the republican party than i do from the democrats. it's crazy. with that being said, i think it's coming together. >> reporter: that omits the fact that donald trump said repeatedly he would not rely -- or he would not go by that pledge if he did not feel like he was treated fairly by the party. he did threaten to drop that pledge over and over again this campaign season. ultima ultimately, though, donald trump when he gets in front of a crowd, when he gets into a room, he reads that room and we see him play to that room, so it should not necessarily come as a surprise that he's going back to his normal ways on the campaign trail, after all, the campaign does feel strongly that let trump be trump is exactly why the -- exactly the reason they're in this position as the presumptive nominee in the first place. >> all right, nbc's katy tur there with the masses in that

hangar just outside of pittsburgh in moon township, pennsylvania, thank you very much for that, katy tur. well, on the democratic side, the sanders campaign said the senator will gather his closest supporters in burlington, vermont, tomorrow night to discuss the path going for him. hillary clinton, though, is off the campaign trail today. she already has several big endorsements in her pockets. she's looking ahead to the general election next week where she'll be joined for the very first time by president obama. nbc's kelly o'donnell is following the clinton campaign from washington for us today. kelly, good to have you with us. how ready is clinton ready to get on the road and especially did this week ahead with the big headliner, president obama, on her -- on the trail? >> a few big clues that we are really turning toward the general election, even before the conventions. and what that has to do with is hillary clinton is taking some down time. that is such a rarity in a campaign season. getting a chance to rest or work on things behind the scenes. and then right out of the gate beginning monday it's three

battleground states. no longer tieing campaign appearances to specific primary states, because almost all of that is over. only the district of columbia left to vote on tuesday, so it is ohio, pennsylvania, and wisconsin, crucial battlegrounds that both candidates will visit many, many times over the next five months. ohio also important because a stop in cleveland is the place where republicans will gather in july for their national convention. and then, of course, wisconsin, that is a place where barack obama will join hillary clinton for that first time. and they will campaign together, and then expect to see as the season moves forward the president having his own separate schedule going to places where the campaign believes he can be most effective, places where he has been successful in various congressional districts and parts of states in the past that might be a help to hillary clinton. so, important clues. the big endorsements, taking a little break, and where the map

is headed. that tells us a lot about this stage in the campaign. ayman? >> indeed it does, kelly o'donnell live for us in washington. thanks very much, kelly. >> you bet. and be sure to catch "meet the press" tomorrow "chuck todd will speak to bernie sanders about his meeting with oval office meeting with barack obama and the state of his campaign and that conversation tomorrow morning on "nbc's "meet the press." a continuing divide among the gp, donald trump continuing to take aim at high-profile republicans raising questions if there will be a unified fight against hillary clinton, we've got our eye on the podium in pennsylvania where donald trump is expected to arrive at any moment. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city,

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debate. you know, the ways guys kept falling off the ends? you know, they kept falling off. i said, jeb, you're not going to be here much longer, you're pretty far down there jeba. you're not going to be here much longer, jeb. you got to get tougher, jeb. i don't think he's going to endorse me, do you think, folks? who the hell cares. who cares. i watch this poor, sad, mitt romney this morning. he suffers from misogynist. i don't think he knows what misogynist is. he suffers from -- and he's sitting like a real stiff. don't forget, this guy let us down, folks. he choked, and he let us down. that was donald trump in tampa, florida, earlier today, attacking his own party repeatedly. he went on to say the gop attacks him more than democrats and did not appear ready to tone things down as many republicans have been demanding. he's set to take the stage just outside of pittsburgh at any moment for his second stop of

the day, meanwhile hillary clinton kicks off her general election campaign next week. the big highlight is her first joint appearance wednesday with president obama in wisconsin. for more on the general election matchup is former republican congresswoman from new york, nan hayworth and basel, from the state democratic party and bloomberg international reporter, thank you very much for joining us. on the surface the republican party looks pretty divided. you have this camp that's taking place, this meeting, that's taking place with mitt romney. you have donald trump still going after some of his party statesmen. i want to play the sound bite and get your reaction on the back end of it. take a listen. >> i've had moropposition from the republican party than i do from the democrats. it's crazy. with that being said, i think it's coming together. the republican party has to be tough, has to be smart. and if they're not tough and smart, i'm going to win, but a lot of other people won't.

>> i mean, he's saying, like, we're going to come together. like it's almost like, you know, very -- >> oh. >> exactly. >> no fun. >> i feel like -- i feel like he -- i want to get your reaction to whether or not you think comments like those are going to divide the party further or not. >> the -- the goal we all seek is to have the right kind of policy to liberate the american people from a lot of burdens that we face now that we really could find much less so if we had the right kind of leadership. and donald trump has said some very compatible, congenial things to republicans about tax policy and regulatory reform, and that's what i want to hear him concentrate on. this is a game of addition at this point as we all know. we've got a democratic party that is unifying, it does have a lot of resources and a lot of boots on the ground -- >> but why do you think -- what's the strategy in still bringing up people like jeb bush and talking about people that are no longer in the race? >> well, i think this is donald

trump's way of saying, get over it. i don't think it's helpful. i think he should stop saying those sorts of things. i don't think that people who like donald trump need that, but i do think the rest of the american public needs to hear positive ideas about the kind of reforms, the kind of relief, the kind of tax relief and the kind of regulatory reform we need. >> sahel, let me ask you on the opposite end the fracture seems to be growing and as we were saying last night at utah's republican retreat, ryan was really pressed hard on why he's supporting trump. i'm curious to get your thoughts on how long republican leaders like paul ryan can continue to give the vague, halfhearted endorsements to donald trump. >> speaker ryan is in a very difficult position now because his number one job at least politically and electorally is to keep the house majority and he needs the trump voters. there's no scenario where you

could have vast numbers of people showing up at the polls to support trump and not to support house candidates and have him keep his majority, that's the rock and a hard place he's caught between. but speaker ryan makes it clear when he sees sng that trump says that he doesn't like he'll speak out on it. he called his comments on judge curiel the textbook example of a racist. and you had mitch mcconnell say that trump doesn't know a lot about the issues but he's not going to stop supporting him. republican leaders are stuck with him and there's nothing they can do. but they're not going to blindly go forward, they'll say what they think when he steps out of line. >> interesting to hear the label stuck with him. basel, let me ask you about trump and his continued attacks on senator elizabeth warren. take a listen and i'll get your reaction to it. >> when i use a slightly off word, slightly off! when i called this really bad

senator -- she's done nothing, she's done nothing. she said she's native american. i said pocahontas. it's pocahontas. and somebody said to me, one of the media, mr. trump, would you apologize? i said, yes, i'll apologize. to pocahontas i will apologize. because pocahontas is insulted. >> so, it seems that -- it seems that elizabeth warren has been somebody who has managed to get under donald trump's skin. she's obviously been very aggressive with her attacks. how do you see her being used on the campaign trail by the clinton camp and can we expect more of this from donald trump to go after elizabeth warren? >> number one, you will see more of this from donald trump. you'll not see the fiscal policy that you might like and other republicans might like, because he'll go off tell prompter. >> not if we keep talking to him. >> and if mitt romney is talking

about trickle-down racism, that's a big problem for the republican party. that being said, one of the biggest strengths the democratic party is elizabeth warren, in her ability not just to be a surrogate for hillary clinton but to work in the down-ballot races and working on the ground so we can talk about taking back the senate. >> do you think she'll be a great vice presidential pick? >> she'd be a fantastic nominee. >> all right, guys, thank you very much, nan, and sahel, we'll talk further on in the show. next we'll take you across the pond where there's no shortage of pomp and circumstance this week in the kingdom celebrating queen elizabeth's 90th birthday but she wasn't the only royal folks were rushing to get a glimpse of.

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birthday in london and they celebrated with a parade and a colorful military ceremony. and today the appearance on the balcony of buckingham palace which was the first for the world's youngest royal, princess char lot. i got to ask you this, because i asked our producers this, what does it mean when we say it's the queen's official birthday? >> right. well, she's a monarch, so she gets two birthdays, right? actually, this goes back hundreds of years. and her official birthday, the date she was born, is april 21st. that was celebrated in windsor this year because she turned 90. it was a big deal. lots of parades and to-do. then the monarch has a second birthday. it's almost always celebrated in june. and the reason is the weather's better, and, you know, they wanted this nice weather so that the crowds could come out, so that the guards and all of the military could be inspected by the queen. when the sun is shining as opposed to rain and wind which

we get a lot in the winter time, so that's what it means to have the second birthday. lots of military parades and then this other very traditional event of the entire family, the entire royal family, coming out onto that balcony at buckingham palace and surrounding the queen as the royal air force does its flyover. today was absolutely spectacular. the weather held. you saw princess charlotte out there, her first appearance, one of many more in her lifetime. last year she was a little bit young. she was only about a month old during the queen's official birthday last year, so she didn't make it out onto the balcony, so this was the first appearance on the balcony for charlotte. and also the first time, ayman, that we've seen her in video since she was carried out of the hospital the day of her birth. so, a big, big deal for the british public today. by the way, i talked about the weather. it was a glorious day, a glorious morning, anyway, with hazy sunshine. so nice, in fact, so warm, that

not everybody was able to handle it. let's just say. what happens when you have a bearskin hat on in june? take a look. do we have that? >> oh. >> that happens. yes, unfortunately, one of the guardsmen fainted during the ceremony. he's okay. it's fine. it was just a little bit of heat and exhaustion and he was then carried off by some of his colleagues there. and, ayman, believe it or not, something like that happens almost every year. just happened a few months ago during a practice. >> dwwow. it's good to hear he's all right. that picture looks disturbing with everyone around him in formation. >> he's fine. he's going to never live it down, i will tell you that. >> it's true. it's true. always someone to capture it on camera. thank you very much. well, after the break, back to politics and the annual mitt

romney retreat under way that's taking place right now in utah. members of the gop elite huddling to discuss the state of the republican party and, of course, what to do about the billionaire businessman who will represent them on the november ballot later this year. >> the republican party really should get their act together. they have to come together. you're seeing now live pictures of donald trump's plane landing there at the airport just outside of pittsburgh. it is in township -- moon township just outside of pittsburgh. we'll be back just after the break.

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mitt romney is holding his annual meeting of the conservative minds this weekend in park city, utah. a number of top republicans including house speaker paul ryan and rnc reince priebus are huddling to address the state of the gop and their presumptive nominee, donald trump. and in one closed-door session

nbc news has heard that meg whitman asked ryan how he could support trump who she compared to hitler and mussolini. and liam, good to have you with us. what is the latest coming out of the romney retreat? what is taking place there behind closed doors? >> reporter: well, today, this morning mitt romney folk and he was very emotional. he was very reflective and he also had some harsh words for the plummet presumptive republican nominee donald trump. and with me i have spencer swick who was mitt romney's finance chair in 2012 and a close confidante of mitt romney. this morning mitt romney called donald trump a racist, xenophobic, a misogynist and said he's associated with violence. but donald trump almost immediately responded, donald trump said, quote, i said the guy's a stone-cold loser, he

choked, and when you're a choker, you can never give a choker a second chance, a choker is a choker. how do you respond to that? >> so, i guess he pointed out that mitt romney lost the election in 2012. i'm glad he made that clear to everybody. i don't believe mitt romney's a choker. if he were a choker i don't think he would have 300 top business leaders here talking about the future of our country, talking about ideas. if mitt romney's a choker, you know, i'm fine being associated with a choker. >> there's a lot of talk about at this retreat special by paul ryan, talking about unity and bringing this party together. is it possible for the republican party to unify when you have someone like donald trump who mitt romney says is very divisive at the top of the ticket? >> that's a decision that republican donors and supporters are going to have to make. i think the republican does want to unify. we do want to get behind a candidate and march towards november. the problem is, when you have a candidate at the top of the ticket that says things that are divisive, it becomes very hard

to unify. i think what people are unifying around is paul ryan and his agenda. >> reporter: and with paul ryan's agenda, you are paul ryan's current finance chair, raising a lot of money for him, as he goes around the country for down-ballot races. but with donald trump he's just now instituting a finance team. there's a lot of money in this room at this retreat this weekend. many who can't get behind donald trump. will donald trump be able to raise the money that he needs to compete against hillary clinton? >> well, how much money he needs is still to be determined. we don't know that. he didn't need too much money in the primary. will he be able to compete dollar for dollar with the clintons, no way. >> reporter: thank you so much. this was expenser swick mitt romney's finance chair in 2012. the conference is wrapped up. these people, many of the donors who are here, are still wrestling on the idea if they will support donald trump come november. >> leanne caldwell in a

picturesque park city, utah, thank you so much for that. and with us nan hayworth, and sahel kapur, thank you for joining the discussion. let's talk about the retreat taking place and i want to talk to you about some comments made by a former romney adviser lanni che chen who spoke with our alex witt earlier today. take a listen and i'll get your reaction afterwards. >> it will be difficult for donald trump to unite the party because it's a statement of the obvious. you have somebody who is highly divisive and who has said outrageous things and i don't think we can expect everybody to fall in line, but at the end of the day we do have to look forward to how republicans can save the house and senate races that are going to be in contest this fall. >> yeah, so what is the gop strategy going forward to try to salvage the house given some of these divisions that are emerging in the party? >> you know, i think what it

comes down to is that in many, many ways this is in donald trump's hands right now, and i think that's the message that a lot of us are trying to give through whatever means we can. he's had expressions of goodwill from -- from paul ryan and from many other republicans who are considered to be genuine leaders with extremely important positions, who are respected, and they have expressed their goodwill to donald trump. he comes to this presumptive nomination position with an enormous amount of goodwill from the republican primary electorate, including in california, which just gave him nearly 75% of their vote i think. so, it's up to him. he does have an opportunity, but he has to use it. he has to meet them at least halfway. >> okay, well, so mitt romney has made it clear he's not going to vote for donald trump or hillary clinton. take a listen to what he said yesterday -- >> i myself will not be voting for either one of them. i just can't bring myself to vote for hillary clinton. i don't think the policies that

she promotes are right for the country. and mr. trump i think is too great a departure from the values of our country for me to sign up as a voter for him either. so, i'll be writing in someone else's name. it will probably be another republican. >> he obviously is representing -- not just himself but there are a lot of people who are probably having similar thought processes about not voting for either one of those candidates. is there facspace or a gap for clinton campaign to quinn over some of the disenfranchised voters like mitt romney? obviously he's not going to, but could there fee others? >> potentially. potentially. again, these are republicans who inherently don't endorse, you know, there's one thing about personality, there's another about policy. the policies that hillary clinton espouses are overwhelmingly not policies that republicans could support. so, again, it becomes a matter of every republican stepping back, looking strategically at what we need to accomplish. >> right.

>> and for someone like a governor romney, for whom i have enormous respect, and i think he would have made a marvelous president, and i still do, but for people like him to say, i am reserving my support for donald trump. not i'll never support donald trump, but i'm reserving my support, until i feel confident that he can project the kind of leadership and the kind of image that the republican party needs. and i don't think that's beyond mr. trump to do, but he does need to take heed quickly. >> sahel, what are you hearing about some of the efforts that are taking place within the republican party to try and stop donald trump? is there going to be a concerted push, or are they just, as we heard mitt romney say, he's not going to vote for him and let everyone else make up their own decisions? or do you see -- or do you feel that there could be some kind of movement within the party itself to try to stop him? >> the short answer is no. there are two important reasons for that. the first and foremost reason is

he won the primary fair and square by a decisive margin and he got more votes than any other republican candidate in history and it's hard for the party elites to trash the legitimacy of all these votes because they don't like this candidate no matter what else is true. keep in ninemind most of the dit comes from the elite level figures like mitt romney and so forth, 85% of republicans or somewhere in that neighborhood support him and that's way up from where it was a month ago from when he clinched. it's very difficult to see an effort like this actually materializing and actually succeeding. stay with us for a second, we want to go back live to pennsylvania where donald trump is speaking. we want to take a listen to what donald trump has to say. >> we've got weak ineffective leaders, whether it's on trade, whether it's on our military. our military is in such a bad state, everybody -- i can't believe it. our jet fighters last week, they

did documentaries. our jet fighters were using parts from old planes in the graveyards, you know, the airplane graveyards. we're using parts, stripping those planes, using them on our jet fighters that are 18 and 20 years old. and this is the united states. and do you know what, folks, we're going to change. we're going to change and we're going to change fast. i love big ben. do we love big ben? right. big ben. i just folk to him. he's -- what a great guy. and he's with us 100%. what a great guy. and a champ. you know, he's a champion. two super bowls. remember the one he grabbed the foot? grab that foot. he was back there. he was falling on his back and he grabbed a foot, and that

would have been a bad day for pittsburgh if that happened, right? so, he's a good champ and he's a good friend of mine and he's a great guy. he's a great guy. so, i want to say hello to him and a lot of the folks that are friends of him that are friends of mine. i don't know, i got to know him over the years. and, you know, some people have what is called champion heart. right? most people don't. i hate to say. but that's what we need. we need that in washington. it's time. we have people that are incompetent, we have people that don't know what they're doing. they have no clue. they have no clue. everything's political, correct, i mean, you watch what you say. you say something a little bit off, you end up with headlines. like a bunch of babies. like a bunch of dumb babies. and believe me, folks, the world is laughing at us. they can't believe what's happening. you look at trade. 300 -- just take a look at what's going on. countries all over the world

taking advantage of us. mexico, we have a trade deficit, $58 billion a year, and they're killing us on the border. china, think of it, china -- oh, we'll build a wall. don't worry about it. we'll build a wall. >> all right, you're listening to donald trump there speaking outside of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. let's bring back our guests, both who are joining us in this discussion. nan, let me ask you really quickly. you and i were talking about this. how much of the republican leadership both the senate leader as well as speaker of the house, paul ryan, how many are they supporting donald trump because they believe in him and his message and want him to be -- and think that he would be the better candidate and how many of it is they don't want to be the leaders of a party that begins to disintegrate because they don't agree with the nominee? this would be an unprecedented decision. >> right, right. i don't think anybody wants to -- i mean, this is a -- i'd like to think that it's not

they're personally trying to salvage their own reputations but that they do believe in a cause. and, you know, this -- there's always a challenge when there are significant personality differences among adherents to a party. we've seen it certainly in the house of representatives and in the senate. so, i don't think it's that they're trying to salvage themselves, but they do care about winning this election, and they have genuine concerns about the way in which our candidate presents himself. mr. trump is capable of better. >> right. >> and i think -- i hope that he will respond to these strong voices and realize that we've got to bring a lot of pieces together to win a general election. it's not the same as a primary. >> all right. we're going to have to leave it at that nan hayworth and sahel kapur, thanks for joining us. the judge at the center of a standford university sex assault

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the effort to recall a california judge involved in sexual assault case at stanford university is growing. several advocacy groups have filed petitions and they're calling for the removal of santa clara federal judge aaron persky in opposition to his sentencing of former stanford university swimmer, brock turner. he sentenced him to three months in jail and six months of probation. and members of the public defender's office and the district attorney have come to the judge's defense and they say he should not be removed from office despite disagreeing with his decision. i'm joined by a stanford law professor michelle dover who is spearheading the campaign to recall judge persky. thank you for being with us. i know you are a close family friend of the woman sexually assaulted by turner. before we talk about the judge,

can you tell us how she's doing particularly with this case drawing so much national attention? >> well, you know, she's incredibly disappointed in the incredibly lenient sentence that judge persky sentenced mr. turner to, and she's angry that mr. turner still to this day does not acknowledge sexall assauly assaulting her. >> let's talk about the recall efforts that you are helping to organize. i know in california signatures from 20% of the number of votes recorded in the last election are needed to spark a recall vote. have you already reached that number? >> it's very important for your viewers to understand that the petitions that are circulating on the internet right now, while they're a good megaphone for people to express their outrage and unhappiness with judge persky, they are not related to the official california recall. i'm the chair of the committee

to recall aaron persky, and this is a serious election campaign that's going to cap happen in c santa clara county. i want to correct something you said, you said he's a federal judge, he's a local judge here and all we are doing is getting him on the ballot so that voters can do what they are supposed to do under the california constitution which is determine whether he should be retained in office. >> thanks for making that clarification for us on the judge. how difficult does it become for you when you have as we mentioned both the public defenders office and district attorney's office as well as the santa clara bar association that said it hasn't seen any credible assertions that he violated the law and ethical obligations or acted in bad faith? >> so let me just say that they are of course just like all other citizens entitled to their

opinion but it seems to me like their disagreement isn't with me. it's with the california constitution because under the california constitution our judges are elected and the recall is a part of the democratic process and they may not agree and vote to support him when we have that election campaign and i look forward to taking that issue to the voters. i look forward to debating them but, you know, we're going to have an election. >> i know that you have been also trying to bring more attention to this issue in terms of how stanford has been dealing with it and in terms of stanford's efforts to try to improve sexual violence and education but you have also been critical of some of the administrations actions. what does your university need to do to prevent crimes like

this from happening again? >> in this specific case stan f stanford needs to step to the plate and apologize to the young victim so horribly assaulted on our property at an official student event that occurred on university property and i find that fairly shock. i also think that stanford needs to take a serious look at the fraternity culture and the fraternity system and i think that the relevant comparison is harvard which has taken real steps to address the fraternity system in the role they play in sexual assault and stanford has not been willing to take the measures and lastly i think that your viewers should support efforts by the senator and representative and others in

congress to impose rules requiring transparency because as long as colleges like stanford are allowed to manage these situations themselves we can expect to continue to see these things. >> i know this is a national conversation taking place on campuses all across the country. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> well now to another hot button issue this week. california became the fifth state to allow terminally ill residents to end their life. the end of life option act establishes a legal process by which patients can practice medical aid in dying. it was inspired by a 29-year-old california woman with terminal brain cancer. two years ago she moved to oregon to exercise her right under that state's right to die legislation. joining me to discuss it is britney's widower. thank you for being with us. one of britney's priorities before her death was to get this

law passed in her home state. >> yes. and that was the promise that i made to britney that i would do what i can to help move legislation forward so that nobody else in britney's predicament would have to leave their home after being told that they only have six months to live. so it's with an immense since of pride in britney, the conversation that she started that i am really grateful to the legislature to the support that we received and now this is a law in california. >> i know that you have worked very hard for this particular piece of legislation but some physicians are uncomfortable with this new legal process. in fact many are citing the medical ethics policy which reads physician assisted suicide is fundamentally incompatible with the physician's role as healer. would be difficult or impossible to control and would pose serious risks.

what is your response to that criticism? >> 18 years of data from oregon that would refute that statement and by the way that policy by the american medical association i think this is just a matter of time. that just like the california medical association the cma, they removed all opposition to this legislation and recognize that a terminally ill individual with six months or less to live and the controls and all the safe guards in place, they absolutely protect an individual and this legislation simply affords a person like my wife britney the ability to have a gentle passing if it's to become necessary for them. it's their option. but in respect to those physicians that might not yet be comfortable with it, that is the strength of this legislation. it's voluntary. it's voluntary for the

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actually getting 34% of the vote with 15 people in the race is better than when i got 78% in california. and just remember this with california they had a lot of names on the board. they could vote for anybody they want because many of the names are up so when you get all of the numbers but all the tile hi to listen to this. i think it's the largest field in the history of elections. the 17 or 18 people that started. i was competing against all the governors and senators and very capable people like dr. ben carson that's a great guy by the way. and he endorsed me after the whole deal and chris christie endorsed me and he has been great. we have great endorsements. we have -- by the way we are so many great -- dana white endorsed me