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and about policy about ending discrimination in this community. i think while the lgbt is celebrating milestones in the community in what some would say over a quick time, to you point, there are probably many young folks in there who might not have been out in their lives or have had family support about what it meant to be part of the lgbt community. and so many people when they first start out, they make friends within that community who then become like family to them because they're so afreud of a -- afraid of any type of reaction from their families that they would be discounted so they find that support and comfort from people within the community. yes, this was a place for so many people to come. the owner started this in memory of her brother. she put out a statement, i'm devastated about the horrific events that happened today.
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pulse and the people who work there have been any family for years. i want to express my sadness and condolences to all who lost loved ones. no know my grief and heart are with you. this is the beginning of learning about what this local club meant to so many here in orlando but also about the stories of the young folks that were in there. folks just starting out in their lives, and now they have this to deal with. hopefully if they survive, but then there are those, the families, the 50 families that will have to go through learning of the loss of a loved one. it is going to be heart breaking for so many of those families. >> i don't know how you process it. thomas roberts. thomas, thanks. we've just passed the 7:00 hour eastern time. as we continue to cover the
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deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history, we're joined by pete williams who has been watching this all day. pete, as we've learned small increments more every day, usually from the law enforcement briefings, you've been able to gather facts, and i know most recently on these weapons that were used. >> right. well the atf said at the briefing this afternoon that just within the past week or so that mateen purchased a handgun and a long gun, but we've since been told that, in fact, those were the weapons that were used in the shooting. so it raises a question about how long in advance he'd been planning this, and i think the answer to that if it ever comes is going to come from whatever social media and electronic communications they can find, interviews with family members, phone calls to see if he was ever reaching out for anybody. there's a newspaper called the east orlando post that's quoting
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the owner of another gay club in orlando saying that last week someone using the name mateen sent him a friend request which could indicate that mateen was looking at other gay night spots in the area but we've not heard any confirmation of that that from law enforcement officials, and we've been unable to communicate with mr. micah for various reasons. it suggests it wasn't long ago he started thinking about this, even though his father has told us that it was a couple of months ago that members of the family were in miami and that mateen saw gay people and it made him very mad and angry and that it seems to have really bothered him. but these weapons, in other words, were purchased just within the past week or so, and the ar-15, we're told did have a high capacity clip, the thing
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you attach to the rifle that holds the rounds. that would explain in part how he was able to get off so many rounds with such deadly impact. >> and jim kav gncavanagh uses phrase operational. he said the day he purchased the weapons, this mission became operational. >> that's distinguished from aspirational which is the way law enforcement people tend to classify these things. we have to assume at this point that when he bought the weapons he was intending to carry out a shooting attack. whether he focussed at that point on a gay place or focussed on that particular place in orlando is something that authorities tell me they don't yet know. they also say they looked hard at whether anyone else could have been involved in this, whether anybody egged him on or helped him get the weapons.
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so far the answer is no. also they say so far no indication there was any contact between him and foreign terrorists. we also asked the folks who monit monitor jihadist websites, they look at this stuff 24 hours a day, they said there had been no call for attacks on gay people or gay hangouts. there was a generalized call from isis that the islamic holy period of ramadan was coming out and they said it was a good time to mount attacks. they do that every year. there was no indication that they were encouraging people generally to do this. >> our security analyst, everan kwo coleman was talking about an audio clip released saying any small thing you can do in one of
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our western enemies would be so greatly appreciated, and coming from that stand point, as i said to evan, you're kind of grateful to get through every day without incident. >> that's a point. they're constantly doing this in their media messaging and propaganda and videos they put out. inspire magazine, al qaeda is con standpointly doing this. the fbi director said it's like there's a devil on your shoulder every day saying kill, kill, kill. if you consume this isis propaganda. if you ask yourself how is today different than all others, that's not one of them. because they are constantly trying to get people to do something, and, in fact, whether this was a response to an isis call to do this or whether this is just sort of a building resentment, we don't know. we know that isis takes a very hard line against gay people and homo sexuality arguing it
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violates their law. they call for things including the death penalty for gay people. whether he was aware of that or not, mateen, we don't know how much of this he consumed. he was aware of isis. we know that from the phone call can he made to 9-1-1 where he expressed support for the head of isis. >> and one final question before we let you go to gather more. for our viewers, can you explain the distinction between someone who is aspirational or as they say, inspired by what they see on the web, what think know of isis and the attackers who have gone before them and someone directed by isis? >> sure. so this term -- we've heard it now for at least 20 years about this aspirational business. there are lots of people out there that law enforcement is
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familiar with that say wouldn't it be good if somebody did this or shot up that place or even i'd like to shoot up that place. but until they actually go out and take a step toward that to buy a knife or case a place or do surveillance or start talking to people about how to acquire weapons, there's no way for the fbi to do anything more about that, and that's one of the hardest questions in all these terrorism investigations. you know, there was just a story in the new york times within the last several days about criticizing the fbi or raising questions about the use of an undercover informant who become involved with these people and either facilitate what they want. you often wonder if these people were left to their own devices, would they carry out an attack. you never know. that's why the fbi builds these cases. here's a case of someone who the fbi looked at, didn't think was going to go operational, was
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even close to that. thought it was all bluster, and then two years after they interview him, suddenly gets the idea to go shoot up a gay nightclub in orlando. >> pete williams, our justice correspondent. i only ask when you have new developments, you'll let us know so we can get you on the air. thank you very much for your reporting all day. we're joined by telephone with patty shehan who is the district four commissioner. he's also the first locally elected gay official and now she's dealing with this crushing s s sadness. commissioner, it was you who said you have one favor to ask of the local people of orlando. it's fine to grieve, but the police don't exist for there to be a big coming together.
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have people heeded your request? >> we sent a couple of people to our signature park in down town just in case, but that's pulling resources away from -- we haven't even gotten everybody out of the building yet. i'm asking people if you really, really, really want to help the victims and their families, please don't pull these very necessary resources. we have hundreds of officers out here, some of them have been on duty for 24 hours. they're just trying to do what they can. this is a very big crime scene. this is the largest mass shooting in america. and we're horrified by this. we have a lot of support from law enforcement agencies from around central florida, but i know people want to do something meaningful. we can do that, but right now we can't pull resources away from this investigation and crime scene. >> i've been guessing you've had
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members of last night's 12 to 8 night shift who have not gone off duty? >> they have not. that's the thing. something i can say about our orlando police department, say what you will about law enforcement, they were heroic. there were almost 300 people in the club last night, and the fact -- this morning, twalg, and the fact that they were able to get out so many people safely, it's a tragedy that so many people passed, but they did a great job of getting people out safely. i can't say enough about the heroic actions of our orlando police department. our hearts are broken. this is a sad day for the gay community. there are grief counselors at the victim service center at the hampton inn. and, again, it's just very hard to get notifications of next of kin. it's not like the old days where you open up a cell phone and
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they had in case of emergency contacts. people's cell phones are secure now for various reasons but it's hard to find out and get ahold of next of kin now. these notifications are happening slowly, but law enforcement is all over it. they're also having to deal with an active crime scene. they're working with the foik. there are lots of resources. it will be a while before we can think about having a public event, and i'm telling people if you want to help the gay and lesbian community center as a go fund me right now. if you need to pray or go to an event, do so at your own church. we don't need a large scale vigil right now. >> i'm probably like most people. i know your city from being in transit. land at the airport. you take the kids to disney
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world. you go to sea world. you go to universal. perhaps you go to one of those hotels on business. you don't get to know the city of orlando and in that context, tell us about the importance of pulse and its founder and the role in life. >> well, and i have to tell you, people don't really realize, this is -- orlando is a very welcoming community. we had 100% on the hrc equality index. we're very proud of the human rights campaign. we're a welcoming kmujts, diversion. this is actually just a couple of miles away from orlando city hall. this is kind of our main street orange avenue. this club is a very nice nightclub. it's not outside on the fringes. it's in the heart of the downtown. owned by a couple of really nice professionals, people that i know and found out a few hours ago they're safe. i didn't even know if the owners
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who i know are safe, and this is a place i go to. for the grace of god there go i. i could have been in this club. this is a nice club that lots of people frequent, and it's just sad, and like i say, it's in the heart of our downtown orlando. a lot of people think of the theme parks but we have a very large downtown, active business district. but i have to tell you something about this community. these business owners have been very negatively impacted. street has been closed all day. they've closed their store but they've been providing food and water and opening up the restrooms. they have just been amazing to all the people, law enforcement on the street. if you really want to know about the heart and soul of orlando, it's not about this horrible gunman who decided to enact a horrible murder on others. the real heart of this community is these wonderful people who have come out to help and come out to express their concern and
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i will say it 100 times. love will overcome hatred every time. that's the message of our community, and we will come together. the gay community has been through so much. we're dealt with the soucourge aids and people in our people being beaten and discriminated against. this is not going to break us. we are a very strong community, and we are a community who loves. and we will get through this together. this is sad. these were young, promising people out to have a nice evening out with their friends. and it's a terrible, terrible tragedy, but we will get through this together. >> i'll say this. i'll urge everyone who is watching, if they're going down for the summer vacation trip to visit harry potter, try to make a side trip and patronize the good businesses in the city of orlando that you don't normally get to see from the theme parks, and i also imagine the medical examiner is working as fast and
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as hard as they can. you're saying sadly there are still victims in the building? >> yes. and i have to tell you, it's a horrible -- there's blood on the sidewalks. you can tell where people had been dragged to try to get to safety. it's a horrible, horrible situation. i break down from time to time. i mean, one of the kids was a facebook friend of mine. it's a horrible day. i wear two hats. i'm a city commissioner but also a member of the gay community. this has been heart breaking. >> our hearts go out to you. thank you for the strength that it took to join us on the air, the strength i've seen you exert in interviews all day long, and our very best to your community. it's just -- it's sad for all of us, but particularly for those of you locally. commissioner, thank you very much. >> thank you.
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>> our correspondent is outside the location that's now become familiar of the nightclub. gabe, we have not checked in with you as yet. >> reporter: hi, brian. good evening. this is an active saecene. authorities finished processing it for explosives. this will go on for ways throughout the scene. we've been speaking about eyewitnesss. many of them have not slept since yesterday. we spoke with carlos, 21 years old, lived in orlando for several years. came here every once in a while. he was thrust into an incredible situation. many would call it heroic. he was able to go out and see what was unfolding and go back inside and help some of the injured. he noticed people with gunshot wounds and carried them out. we spoke with christopher hansen, same situation.
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at first he didn't realize the shooting was a shooting. he thought it was part of the music. when he finally realized it, he dropped to the grouchnd, crawle over bodies to get out. took off his bandanna to help some of the injured victims. this is devastating. we also just spoke with the mayor who could not have enough words of praise for those 11 police officers, 11 police officers who managed to step in and take the gunman doubt. the first officer working security at the nightclub that was able to confront the suspect and managed to push him back inside. the suspect retreating inside, and then that first officer called for backup. still, it was a lot of confusion over the three hours with people wondering what became of all those people inside. one mother desperately waiting for word knowing that her loved one, her son was trapped inside. brian, the fbi is now heading up this investigation. the governor here in florida has just declared orlando to be in a
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state of emergency. this scene still active. >> and we learned almost by accident in the course of our conversation with that commissioner, there are still victims inside that building. >> yes. that's right. again, this came scene will take a very long time to process. you know just a scene with a few casualties is a methodical process. can you imagine 50 victims. we've been here since the morning. when we first heard there was about 20 people that were dead, an enormous loss, and then in the briefing a few hours later, police coming in and saying that it was 50 casualties. 50 casualties making this the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. right now there are 53 wounded. many of them in serious, grave, critical condition at the hospital. there is fear that the death toll could grow and many of the family members and witnesses here that have not slept since
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last night, are still coming to terms with this incredible loss. >> i can understand that. gabe, just down the street from the pulse nightclub in orlando, florida. we -- i want to see if our control room is able -- i'm looking at a shot from seattle that is coming in to us live. and i'm wondering if we can find that. do you know the room? it's striking. it's worth trying to find. i wish i could turn the camera around and show you what i'm seeing. it's of the space needle. i think the shot just went down. we'll try to get it to you. we'll come back from a break and try to get it for you. >> the place where they were attack second down more than a nightclub. it is a place of solidarity and empowerment where people have come together to raise
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>> a guy was shooting like crazy. >> unbelievable stories. we've seen some of them before. the one young man we had on the air live with us. now to someone we've been trying to establish contact with for some time having lost our phone connection. we're told carlos rasario, an eyewitness has been able to join us. carlos, when did you first become aware that it was gunshots that you could hear? >> i was currently at the back end of the patio. i was about to get my last drink. it was about 1:45ish. when i was leaning over to talk about my order, i heard two gunshots go off first, and it sounded like it was part of the music. it sounded like something that should have been in the music, but the round just kept oncoming. it was just like pop, pop, pop.
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that's when i realized and it sank in my heart, there is a shooting going on. in my head, i understand the shooting is a severe case of -- that nobody should go through. but it kept going and going and going, and it wouldn't stop. it was just -- it was so devastating hearing people just asking why, why isn't he stopping? he needs to just stop, it kept going and going. that's when my adrenaline kicked in and everything went fast, but i felt very slow. >> carlos, it's likely because you were on the patio, that became the reason you lived? >> yes. i honestly can say i am very, very lucky to have been in that place at that time. i was about -- i was maybe two minutes inside. i was trying to order a drink inside. it was too long. i decided to step out from the main dance floor and go outside
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of the patio. once i got to the patio and leaned over to talk to the bartender, that's when the shooting started. i'm very lucky, and there are other people that weren't. it's just so so sad. >> are you a regular there? was this your first visit? i know -- you know, this takes place against the backdrop of pride month and last night was latin night. >> yeah. i don't want to say i'm a regular. i go out sometimes here and there, but nothing as a constant basis. i go there once in a while. actually, that was my first time on latin night which was a saturday. it was my first day going to that event. >> what do you do in your life? >> i actually was a medical assistant for two years. i currently work at a different job right now. i'm trying to study to go to college, but this -- i feel like it was the -- a great point in my life so i can understand that
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my medical field background, it kicked in and hennlped me and helped other people. it makes me want to go further in it. i was able to be a there. it showed me i have the potential to push forward. i want to be able to help rch everyone i can. >> it's terrible it took a tragedy to give you that signal to pursue that, but i hope you do. were you there with anyone last night and is everyone accounted for? >> the people that i came with, some of them were accounted for. unfortunately, i do not know about the others. i'm also, like everyone else that is going through this hard time, just trying to figure out where they're at, what's going on. it's really hard, and i just give my condolences to the families going through these issues and everyone that lost their friends.
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it's a tragic incident, and it's just so sad. >> have you had any rest, carlos, and do you think you're going to accept any offers to talk to someone? this makes you a survivor now, and you're probably going on adrenaline now. you're able to calmly discuss it with me, but that may not be the case in 12, 24 hours. >> yeah. you probably are right. i probably am just on that adrenaline kick. but i also understand that once that dulls down, i'm going to have to deal with the reality of things. i was very lucky, and there was people that were not so lucky, and everybody out there that night was helping everyone. it was a huge community. everyone came together and tried their hardest to just help and aid to these people. it was honestly the most amazing scene -- not amazing because it
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was horrible, but it was great to see everyone come together and just survive together at once. >> well, carlos, though we don't know each other, it's a pleasure to be able to talk to you. i'm so glad that you made it out of there last night. i'm no sorry for the tragedy that was inside that building and the tragedy to come for orlando, and thank you very much for pg abbeing able to talk to . >> thank you for having me. >> carlos rosario survived that incredible scene last night and somehow lived to tell us about it. we are joined by a man we saw at a press event earlier this evening. chad griffin is president of the human rights campaign. chad, we watched your remarks in full. they were powerful and emotional. and what is the message your group would like to tell america after what is at the same time,
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this was a hate crime and a terrorist attack. >> it was indeed. and as you've pointed out, it's also happened during pride month. it was noted earlier that this nightclub is not just any other nightclub. that is the place that lgbt young people come to not only celebrate but it's a place they can come to be their true selves, to be open and honest with who they are and celebrate their existence. for many of those young people, and this hasn't been talked about today. for many of those young people, they probably weren't even out of the closet at home. this was the few hours in their life if they were able to go and be open and honest and true to themselves and celebrate and live the life that they should all be able to live day in and day out in this country, and so today is a very, very sad day for all of america and to the
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lgbtq community especially, and especially those there in orlando. while we are all talking about what happened and what could have happened differently and what might happen in the future, their moms and dads and brothers and sisters and boyfriends and girlfriends, all they want is just one more chance to say i love you. and they've been robbed of that. but this community is so resilient, and in a moment like this we have to offer our condolences and sympathies to those who have been harmed and hurt and the families that are facing grave loss. we've also got to be resilient and recommit ourselves in this country to end discrimination and get to the roots of this hate that drives such hateful acts. thomas roberts was talking earlier about his conversation with judi shepherd. the same hate that motivated the killer of judi shepherd's son,
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matthew, is the same hate that motivated this killer, and the same hate that motivated the killer in that church in charleston. and we've got to stand up, unified, and in coalition and say enough is enough. >> and yet, chad, to your point, i think people who are not members of the lgbt community don't have a best friend, a family member, a personal connection, probably look at the landscape and say, as you often hear, that an issue like gay major, fastest moving public issue of our time. especially when you compare it to other great struggles in society. and so people think things are always getting better on a continue yum. every day. >> the attacks against lgbt people continue to come. i've said this often times. there is not a single person in
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orlando, florida, or anywhere in this country around the world that is born hating. that is something that one is taught and something that is learned. and by the way, not just by an extremist hate and terrorist grown, somewhere around the world. but it's also taught oftentimes from a preacher at the pulpit or a public official or a politician who is spewing hate and attacking members of a minority community. and that combined with easy access to guns and a deranged person, that is what leads to tragic events like we're all going through today. we're all got to come together and stop the hate. we have to build bridges and build walls and at the end of the day love conquers hate. we've got a long road ahead of us. and today we have got to remember those who have lost
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their loved ones. i would encourage everyone, there are two go fund me campaigns right now. one by the center in orlando. one by quality florida, that are raising funds for the families and for the victims that need it the most. there's also a need, as you mentioned, to donate blood. today we need to be there for those who need it the most, and tomorrow we've got to roll up our sleeves and get to work and look at the root cause of this hate, and every single one of us, i don't care if we are democrat, republican, independent, alike. every one of us has got to drop the partisan lens that is often times looked through in this lens and politics. swre to come together and we have to say enough is enough. we have to stop this hate, and we've got to pass real and sensible gun control laws in this country so these deranged,
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delusional people don't have access to the weapons in order to conduct such heinous crimes has happened in orlando. >> chad griffin joining us from orlando. the logo on his lapel is of the human rights campaign. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, brian. >> we want to show folks what we just witnessed in seattle. i referenced this before the last break. this is the space needle. i believe that's in the far, far distance on the left is mt. ranier. the gray pride flag is rising from the space needle. in new york, something we can't show you as clearly. there will be something missing. that's the lights atop the empire state building. it will remain dark in memory of the 50 lives lost. another break and we'll join you after this. don't let dust and allergies get between you
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the next few weeks and the next few months we need to support each other. we need to love each other. and we will not be defined by a hateful shooter. we'll be defined how we support and love each other. >> that is buddy dyer, the mayor of orlando, florida. he was on the air with us a short time ago. remember during happy times, during normal times, being mayor of orlando, florida means welcoming the world to the destination resorts, the theme parks that are in your area. including but not limited to disney world, universal studios, sea world, and so on and so on. a very big airport. a very robust, local economy that has shown itself to be almost recession proof for the volume of tourist dollars that comes in there, and yet this
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happened to the city of orlando, the living, breathing place where people live and work and blow off steam and have a good time on a saturday night at a place like pulse. we're joined now live by star shelton. star, i'm told your expartner was working last night at pulse and hasn't been heard from yet. what shards of information do you have, if any? >> um, yes, that's correct. we haven't heard from her. as of now, i'm here in california and her family is there in florida, and the only information we have been give season that she's not on any of the hospital lists, of any of the persons in surgery or in critical or stable condition there at the hospital. other than that we're just asking if anybody has heard from her or seen her, give us a cowl or let us know. >> and star, did you live and
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work in orlando? >> no, i did not. i recently just moved here separated from her. we were in hawaii before that and she went to orlando and i came to california for school, but i talk to her every day. we're close. she's a wonderful, wonderful person, and i just hope that she's okay. >> okay. well, we're looking at her picture over and over on television and perhaps by airing it and distributing it, something will be jogged and people who may have seen her. we've been saying over and over again that there's, of course, 50 deaths. 50 deaths means 50 tragedies and 50 sad families and imagine the tragedy for the kids just barely drinking age who may not be out and go there to just be happy and blow off some steam and be in a safe place.
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we keep coming back to the phrase safe place. >> absolutely. we just hope that somebody has seen her. she might have been out helping others that were injured. you know, maybe someone has seen her somewhere. maybe she's just scared or if she's lost or something. i don't know. but if anybody has seen her, could they call the local authorities or call anybody they can to say they've seen her. >> we'll hope and pray because of her job he was perhaps working at an entrance and exit and could have gotten out of there, because -- so far in our experience, it's the people who were on the back patio, the people who were near the vip entrance, the front door who were able to make it out and tell the story. thank you very much for joining us by telephone. i'm sorry for the anguish you're going through, and i hope it ends up well. >> thank you very much for your
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time. >> sta rr joining us. jacob rascon is outside the hospital for us in orlando. jacob, in this grizzly business, the city has set up a website because the list of the dead is so long. and families are still 12 hplus hours after wondering if people lived or died and they're among the list of the wounded being treated behind you. >> we just arrived from new york. what happened is we showed up to the hampton inn next door to the hospital. inside they have two lists. one of the critical and one of those who are not critical and a family who just arrived from new orleans went in and came out sobbing. i tried to speak with them. they were very emotional and didn't want to give too many details. the name of the person that they were looking for was not on the list, and they were discussing does that mean this person is dead? are they dead, and one person
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said yes, and someone else said are you sure. there was a little bit chaos in the communication. they were not sure if their family member was okay or not. we've learned that since 9:30 in the morning family members of these victims have been going over to the hampton inn, a block away from the hospital. the names of the family members. they asked for their i.d., and if you were a family member, you could see the list, and the list of those who were critical was larger than those not critical. we know that immediately after the shooting happened, a couple of extra trauma surgeons were brought to the hospital. they always have one around the clock here, the only level one trauma center in the region. there were six total, and the hospital has been very good. a lot of people say, getting information out on twitter about trying to communication to different family members. but still at this late hour, we have people like this family i
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talked to who didn't want to say more at the hampton inn, arriving from new orleans. just now learning it looks like their family member, a man, has passed away. >> what a terrible, heart breaking story. and this is being multiplied and repeated over and over. loved ones, if they're not from there, they're just arriving in town. the hospital had hipaa regulations to deal with. they could not release conditions and names. there was a great discussion about that earlier today. jacob, you mentioned the trauma surgeons. if there is a happy part of this, it is that on any given day, the orlando area hosts upwards of hundreds of thousands of people from around the world. they are used to a high transient population. orange county, florida, has a lot of first responders, and they've all been pressed into
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service. >> reporter: they have, and today they said they've performed 26 operations total. they had 44 adults by mid afternoon. initially they had nine more, but as you've learned, nine people either arrived deceased or they died during operation, and in the end, 26 operations, 43 adults, because one of them was discharged. out of all the people who came here, 43 of them are still inside being worked on. again, most of them we understand are critical. >> all right. jacob rascon outside the hospital. thank you very much. as we go to another break we'll show you the result of the president's order that he signed this afternoon. we actually watched as the flag came down to half staff on the roof of the white house. the same on capitol hill. and all u.s. properties and territories around the world. ships in all corners of the
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the fbi first became aware of mateen when he made comments to co-workers alleging possible terrorist ties. the fbi investigated the matter, including intervuiews of witnesses. in the course of the investigation, mateen was interviewed twice. ultimately, we were unable to verify the substance of his comments and the investigation was closed. in 2014, mateen again came to the attention of the fbi because of possible ties to monar
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abu-salha. we determined contact was minimal and did not con sti ssta threat at that time. >> hard to believe this gunman, this terrorist, not once but twice attracted the attention of the feds. they surveilled him. they watched him. they brought him in. they talked to him. but in a society where you are presumed to be innocent until and unless your guilt is proven otherwise, nothing came of it. we now know many more things about him to fill in the blanks in those years since. we are joined by anthony roman, who has 38 years of counter terrorism strategy experience, the president of a.c. roman and associates. anthony, there were -- there have been a number of things like nightclub fires, public events that have ended in tragedy that have left people
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looking differently at their surroundings. is this going to be one of those events that when people go to a place, a fun place, a happy place, to have a good time on a saturday night, they always look differently at it? >> yeah. i'm afraid so. i'm afraid we all have to look differently at the large gathering places that we go to, shopping malls, sports stadiums, nightclubs. you know, i isis has placed on notice by action and by word that soft targets are going to be the new agenda for the foreseeable future. and they have been quite effective at attacking these either by trained personnel or inspired attacks. and i'm really concerned that perhaps there will be copycats or other self-inspired attacks
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in the immediate future. so i really urge the public to be aware of their surroundings, understand what security measures are in place and men l mentally prepare yourself for the eventuality that this may happen to you. and there are many, many things we can do, brian, to protect ourselves. commercial establishments really need to step up to the plate and improve and professionalize their security. >> it couldn't be more random. i guarantee you not one person of the 300 souls having a good time at pulse in orlando, florida, last night anticipated their night would end with the largest act of gun violence in american history. >> no. none of us think that it can happen to us. but it does happen to some people. the likelihood that it will be us is so low. but the randomness of these attacks one never knows.
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there's a lot you can do to prepare yourself mentally. you can understand the fundamental basics suggested by the department of homeland security if you find yourself in a mass shooting event. for example, they say, run if you can. and my suggestion is, don't run in a straight line. run from cover to cover or concealment to concealment and run quickly. if you don't feel you can get away, then barricade yourself in some room. move the furniture. use the materials around you in a creative way to try and protect yourself. finally, if the gunman enters and you think your life is at risk, discuss this with the other potential hostages and civilians near you and fight. fight for your life. >> tel aviv just opened a beautiful new kind of open air
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mall with restaurants and shops. and, of course, lost in the news coverage of the last 12 hours, it was hit late last week as it is if you go to israel, you just get used to getting searched on your way into a shop or a boutique or a restaurant or a food store, just as americans have gotten used to tsa, gotten used to being searched on the way to a ball game. so this is -- there's a new normal coming where you are saying, citizens -- all of us need a kind of new situational awareness as the military calls it? >> we do. we need to know where the exits are. we need to prepare ourselves for these events. and as i said, the commercial establishments really change -- need to change their security thinking. and it does cost more money to do this. really security should not begin at the front door or the main entrances. it should begin with very well
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trained security personnel looking further away to the approaches of establishments that may be at risk and assessing human factors. who is acting suspiciously? is that backpack or is that athletic bag looking too heavy or unbalanced? are they wearing bulky clothing when it's 70 degrees out and why? are they perspiring too much on a cool day? don't they make eye contact with anyone? are they operating alone or acting suspiciously in any way? it's at that juncture that security personnel can ask, are you approaching the club, particularly if they're coming from the parking lot, one would expect they are. and begin to question those individuals. and if the suspicion continues, notify police right away. but security needs to begin at
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concentric rings away from the establishment. now once reaching the establishment, there needs to be choke points of entry. and really, personnel that are trained in using metal detectors and hand wands. i see them used incorrectly all the time in cursory searches performed that are ineffective. they really need to have that kind of tactical anthony roman, anybody wanted to hear the message but i'm sure it's important to hear. thank you for joining us. >> you are welcome. >> another break. we will be back with more right after this.
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