what was your reaction when you saw the news. >> i saw bodies falling, screaming, the person next to me shot, i fell down, crawled out. >> he was mentally unstable and mentally ill. the divorce took a year and a half to finalize. >> this is a sobering remind er

that this is an attack on all of us. and on the fundamental values of equality, and dignity, that define us and a country. >> 50 people killed and 50 injured in the worst mass shooting ever on u.s. soil. president obama calling it an act of terror, an act of hate.. our coverage continues on "morning joe" with former communications director for president george w. bush. nicole wallace, fellow at the council on foreign relations and contributing editor at the atlantic, graham wood, whose march 15th. what isis really wants is one of the preeminent pieces of reporting on the terror group. and in washington, david ignatius. it has just been 24 hours since the deadliest mass shooting in american history. and this morning, we know a lot manufacture about the gunman, but little about his motive.

50 people dead, another 53 wounded after authorities say 29-year-old omar mateen opened fire inside the pulse nightclub in orlando. fbi agents have descended on mateen's home, about 120 miles away in ft. pierce, florida, looking for anything that may explain why he carried out this attack. sources tell nbc news's pete williams that before opening fire, mateen called 911, pledged allegiance to isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi and mentioned the 2013 boston marathon bombing. according to authorities, gunfire erupted inside the club just after 2:00 in the morning. a hostage situation unfolded and by 5:00 a.m., police decide to go in, driving an armored vehicle through a wall. a gunfight then broke out between police and mateen. some of the audio of that exchange, you can hear in this clip. during the gunfire, one bullet hit an officer, his kevlar helmet likely saving his life.

mateen was killed in the exchange and police say 30 people were rescued from the club. according to the atf, mateen bought the two guns used in the shooting just within the past week or so. a handgun and an ar-15 style rifle like you see here. investigators say both firearms were purchased legally. mateen's father posted a video to facebook last night, saying he is shocked and saddened by what his son has done. and here's what he tells nbc news this morning. >> was your son radicalized in any way that you know of? >> no. no, he was -- he was taking care of his family, going to work, he doesn't have even a beard. he doesn't miss his work. he was always on time. so i didn't anything different, with the way he was behaving himself before. and until yesterday, he was the same. >> so where did he get these crazy ideas? >> that's what i said.

i wish he was alive, i could ask him that question. one question. why did you do it? >> obviously, mika, that's what people across america are asking. here's some of the headlines today. "the boston globe," talking about the massacre in orlando. "the washington post" leads with a headline, 50 killed at a gay nightclub. "the wall street journal" talks of a night of terror in orlando. and "the new york times" talks about a gunman praising isis. and you have right next to me, let's move over here, you have the "usa today," "massacre," and then the "daily news," talking about the nra, and obviously, willie, a lot of issues, of course, came spewing out immediately after this from all sides ideologically. it's just as sick as usual, give it a day, let's mourn the victims and try to figure out

what's going on. but a lot of fingers pointing. but of course, what everyone wants to know most of all is why did this happen and how can we stop it from happening again? >> yeah, i was on the air all day yesterday and it was almost immediate, people running to their battle stations. before people knew any facts, it was about this or that, and this is why he did it. we don't know why he did it, except we've heard some of his claims. we know what he said about isis in that 911 phone call. graham, you can speak to this better than i can. we're in an age now where you don't have to have any direct tie with isis. you can be inspired by isis. you can have a laptop or iphone and read something and feel some connection to isis and isis can retroactively claim that he was an isis fighter. that's his claim, he did it in the name of isis and of radical islam. >> yeah, i would even go a bit further. isis in many ways don't even want him to have a connection before the fact. they've said, at this point, you should just attack in place,

where you are, when you can, and if you seek our approval in advance, then you're just exposing yourself to being foiled, your plot never coming to fruition. so they've told their supporters, just do it. do it now. don't bother coming here anymore. >> let's bring in nbc's chris jansing. she's in orlando, florida, with more on the investigation into the gunman. chris, what more do we know about him? >> reporter: you know, it's remarkable how quickly this profile of omar mateen emerged, that he was someone who was filled with hate, who was violent. mateen's father told nbc news his son became enraged recently after he saw a same-sex couple kissing in miami in front of his family. the fbi says it first became aware of the 29-year-old back in 2013. now, he made threats to coworkers, including what an agency spokesman called -- and i'm quoting here -- possible ties to terrorist activities. and then the fbi looked at him again the following year, because he contacted abu salah,

an american who traveled to syria to become a suicide bomber for al nusra. abu salah, who also lived in first appearance, was the first american to carry out a suicide attack in syria. u.s. officials said he tried to recruit some of his friends to fight in syria and then when he got back those hometown in 2013. one of them did alert the fbi, but by then, abu salah had already left the u.s. at the time, the fbi thought his contact with abu salah was minimal and it didn't pose any kind of a real threat. law enforcement officials have told nbc news that there was no indication that mateen was in touch with terrorists overseas or that the attack was directed by someone else, to the point of what you were talking about. so meanwhile, we're also hearing from mateen's ex-wife. she talked to the press yesterday, and she described her former husband as unsound, claiming he was physically abusive and had in the past taken steroids. and that she actually left all of her belongings behind to

escape their life together. >> instability, emotional instability, sickness, mentally, he was mentally unstable and mentally ill. that's the only explanation that i could give. and he was obviously disturbed. when he would get in his tempers, he would express hate towards things, toward everything. so in that respect, you know, yeah, but he was at the moments you would see his emotional instability and turning totally different. >> reporter: in the meantime, we have these portraits of the victims emerging from 20 to 50 years old. and one of the most heart rending stories of the mexico messages that went back and forth between a son who was trapped in a bathroom and his mother and then he went radio silent. and sadly, we learned this morning that that son, eddie justice, was among the victims. willie? >> that was one of the earliest stories we had, and one of the sound bites we had, eddie's mother screaming, looking for

her son. chris jansing in orlando, we'll be checking back with you throughout the morning. thanks. >> this looks like, unfortunately, what happens all too often, where you just have a combination of all of these terrible things happening. where you have somebody who may be mentally ill, in this case, homophobic, on the outskirts of society. >> abusive towards women. >> abusive towards women. >> radicalized by islam, a radical form of islam. radicalized by isis more specifically, graham. it seems to me that you could look not only at the people that are committing these heinous acts in america, but also, you've said before, the profile of the very people that go over and fight, that have gone over and fought, have been people on the outskirts of society, the mentally ill, the deranged, the outcasts, the losers, or the very people that are drawn to

isis. >> that's definitely one of their big constituencies. if they can find people who already have this rage, already have agreement with some of their social views, of course, they kill gays in isis territory, as well. then, yeah, those people are well primed to be mobilized. >> let's talk about that. the -- we've seen sporadically through the years, not as much as i think we should, but the terrible treatment of gays by radical islam, by leaders of radical islam. can you go into that, just a bit more, so people have more of a perspective, that this wasn't a one-off and this isn't a -- that,, you know -- because we've all talked about how women have been abused by, whether it was the taliban or whether it's isis, but we haven't really heard as much about how gays have been abused. >> yeah, so the taliban had a practice where they would bury

gays up to their waist and then they would build a wall and push it over on them. and isis disagrees, not in whether gays should be killed, but the question of how. there's debate over whether they're to be pushed off a cliff or stoned or burned to death or pushed off a cliff and then stoned. and in fact, we see frequently, out of isis territory, these images of people who have been found guilty of being gay and who are brought up to the top of a six or seven-story building and blindfolded and pushed. so, that's how they've resolved the issue. but clearly, the view that they have toward homosexuality is, to say the least, a negative one. >> and david ignatius, this isn't something that's fixed by tough talk on twitter or 10,000 new troops in syria. this is obviously something that is going to be haunting american policy leaders for years to come. >> well, the question of how to

stem the radicalization, self-radicalization of people like omar mateen is a riddle that will be with us, i think, for years. the intelligence community was looking hard yesterday for any sign of chatter about this attack, that might indicate that people knew it was coming within isis. they didn't find any. they've looked carefully for social media links between omar mateen and people who would have been radical facilitators. they haven't found those. so he seems to be a classic lone wolf, a troubled person with difficulty getting along with others. >> and isn't that what those some communities are most concerned about? >> the first thing they wanted to establish was whether there was direct links, so you could see this as a plot that was orchestrated by others, external to omar mateen. they looked hard yesterday, and i was told last night, they

hadn't found that evidence. they'll keep looking, and we shouldn't pre-judge how the investigation will go. it's interesting that in this case, this individual came to the attention of the fbi twice. the fbi had a chance to look at him, talk to people, conduct interviews, conduct surveillance, even, back in 2013, and concluded that this was not a person worthy of additional study. i'm sure there'll be some second-guessing of that. it's particularly troubling that a person who was the subject of two fbi inquiries, whose wife describes him now -- ex-wife, as mentally unstable, whose father says he was making extreme comments, was able, in the week before the killing, to buy what's the equivalent of an m-16 assault rifle. the weapon our troops take into combat, in the most extreme situations, this young man was able to buy and take to that nightclub. >> there's an easy answer to that. he had no criminal record. and your rights are not taken away

>> partner more. but i think when you go and look for the footprints, you go look for the telltale signs, they're not in the data mining that seems quaint by today's standards. they're in social media. >> i want to ask this also, mika. we've been seeing pictures of this guy in selfies for the past three days. at what point does the -- and here he is, here. i mean, we saw it after boston. you know, one of the boston bombers, being glorified on the front page of "rolling stone,"

looking like, you know, latter day coming of jim morrison. at what point do we stop putting their pictures up? at what point do we stop putting their names up. i know people go, oh, oh -- they're doing it for attention. so why do we give them attention? why do the networks -- why -- the networks can stand shoulder to shoulder on a lot of things and decide not to do things. it's one thing if you have foreign fighters coming overseas, doing what they do. it's quite another if you have people here that are lone wolves, that are doing this for attention. >> well, and i would think -- >> can you not just give their name and leave it at that. >> and move on. >> i would think that this is part of the plague of isis. you talked about -- and i'm confused to an extent, but i think what you're saying. they don't want anything to do with these potential attackers, that they can somehow recruit by their kind of cycle of hate that they spread online. this actually sounds exactly

like what isis would want. untrackable, no direct ties, but then pledging allegiance right before. and this is why isis is something very different. >> yeah, that's right. so back in the old days, if al qaeda were attacking, of course, they would want to be able to track and plan. they would want to be able to hatch a conspiracy that could be spectacular. and what isis has done is really turn that on its head. so they've said, don't contact us, and they do that for security purposes. they want to be able to say that this could happen anywhere. any american who can buy a gun can do this. if you're an isis supporter, do it. so it's quite worrisome. >> and i know david brought up guns, but willie, we remember last year or two years ago, one of the top ten people on the most wanted list said, go to america. go to their gun shows. you can get all the firepower you want. you can go out, kill as many

people as you want to kill as quickly as possible. then he even went so far to say, they don't have background checks, they just give them to you. >> well, we do have background checks and this guy passed them. >> how can you do a background check on that? >> he walked into a gun shop, the atf says, and legally bought the two firearms he used. >> and those two guns. look at those two women, killed 50 people. >> and hurt 50 people. >> i mean, it's incredible. one person. >> and to graeme's point, think how easy it is right now. on 9/11, they had to recruit a group of people, they had to teach them how to fly a commercial aircraft. like, all the years of training and thought that went into that. this was one guy last week walked into a store, bought two guns, and wreaked this kind of havoc. >> and airline security. >> yeah. >> let's go to former assistant in charge of the nypd terrorism task force, don borelli.

help us through this difficult question. there's no easy answer to it, obviously, or else we'd have it. you have a guy like this, who as far as we know, doesn't have direct contact with isis, simply inspired by it, goes to a gun store, legally buys two guns last week and commits the act of terror. what do you do about him? >> this was extremely difficult. we were speaking about it during paris and brussels and comparing it to the threat here. you have this toxic mix of people with mental illness and this violent rhetoric and isis messages on the internet that resonate with these guys. and mix that with the ability to buy weapons and it becomes extremely difficult for law enforcement to detect, you know, when these guys are going to go out and do something. and in this case, the window of time that law enforcement potentially had from when he bought the weapons, legally, and conducted the attack was very small, you know, a week. >> and so, don, what do you do

about it? we've been wringing our hands about this for years now. but what can law enforcement do? what tools does it need that it doesn't have now? >> it has a lot of tools. i mean, one of the things that we always talk about is, you know, people coming forward. chances are that somebody close to the person is going to be in the best position to try to predict an attack. but then again, you know, nobody has a crystal ball. if somebody keeps all these thoughts, you know, in his head, and basically plans this and then goes out and conducts an attack without any warning, without giving law enforcement any indication that something is going to happen, you know, it's very difficult. and i'll say one thing, because i'm sure there's a lot of people asking about, well, the fbi investigated him twice, you know, what happened? and there are different levels of fbi investigations. and, you know, when you get a nugget of information, something that's not super significant, but still needs to be investigated, you do not get as

many tools at your disposal. and this is a balance of, you know, protecting people's civil liberties and, you know, being able to get information. and the more information you get, the more intrusive the investigation can be. so only at the highest levels are you allowed to do things like read people's e-mails and listen to their phone calls and so forth. so, it's my understanding that this investigation, both the investigations, never rose to that level. and yes, he was interviewed twice. and i think nobody expects to go into an interview and say, okay, yeah, you got me, i'm a terrorist, i confess. but when the fbi does these interviews, at least it puts these people on notice that, you know, you're on the radar. and hopefully that's a mitigating strategy. >> and like san bernardino, this attacker has a wife and a small child -- an ex-wife who claims he was very abusive and mentally ill. don borelli, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll go live to the hospital where so many are still

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it went on until you just heard almost too many shots. it was just bang, bang, bang. that's just when you know chaos is just -- >> if you had to count, how many shots do you think there were? >> oh, more than 20 or 30. it was just one after another after another after another. and it could have lasted a whole song. i mean, because after everybody was out, people were -- the shootings were still going, and the cops were yelling, go, go, clear the area. and we were like, holy [ bleep ]. so when i bent down to help this guy, it's like, you're kidding. and you're still watching yourself. >> tragedy in orlando. and of course, the "usa today" talking about the massacre, the largest mass shooting in u.s. history this weekend in o

orlando. >> orlando officials and federal authorities will hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning. we'll bring you that live when it happens. so far, the city of orlando has identified 21 people who died in the orlando nightclub shooting. the names are slowly being released. and right now the youngest victim is listed at 20 years old. the oldest, at 50. as we learn their names, we're also slowly learning their stories. according to the "orlando sentinel," kimberly k.j. morris moved to the city just months ago and had taken a job as a bouncer at the pulse. author jk recaolling posted a tribute to harry vielma who worked on the harry potter ride at universal orlando. tony guerrero survived the massacre. he was shot four times. once in the leg and four bullets to the back. they are our colleagues here, since comcast is the parent company of nbc universal.

26-year-old survivor, angel colon, was shot three times. this photo taken after he just got out of surgery. let's bring in nbc's sarah dallof with more on their work to treat the dozens still wounded. sarah? >> reporter: good morning, mika. this hospital is mere blocks away from the site of the shooting. it's a level one trauma center. so, obviously, it was one of the first places that the injured were taken. it's become one of the first places that family and friends go to find information about their loved ones. this as authorities continue the difficult task of identifying the dead and notifying the next of kin. as they do so, they are posting to a public website the identities of these people. 21 people on that list right now. the oldest, 50 years old. the youngest, just 21. we're also learning more about those who survived the shooting. tony morero, he was inside the

club and he was shot. his family opened up about their reaction to yesterday's events. >> they're kids and they wanted to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. it's the worst feeling that any mother can go through. anyone. i really wish that this would never happen. if i could turn the clock back, it would be the greatest thing. but i pray for them. i hope they find peace. >> reporter: police, meanwhile, are asking the public to hold off on any public vigils or memorials, saying their resources are already stretched too thin, and that they need to focus on the investigation and the victims. back to you guys. >> sarah, thank you. >> graeme, let me ask you. there's a question we've been asking over the past several months. you may have asked it of david ignatius. i'll ask it again after we speak to you. but with isis losing ground on the battlefield in iraq and syria, do we expect more incidents, more terror attacks like this across the globe, to

counter balance the bad news on the battle field? >> definitely. and you can even see that in the messages that isis has been sending out. with spokesman for isis put out a statement just last month. and he said, yes, it's not looking good for us right now. things will get better, of course, in syria and in iraq. but in the meantime, it's getting so hard for you overseas to come to us, that you should attack where you are. so, if they keep on losing battles in syria and iraq, then they have to find battles to win elsewhere. >> when you first wrote your article, you were talking about the dream of the caliphate, it was a magnet. it drew people from across the globe, terrorists from across the globe. wannabe terrorists from across the globe. is there an understanding now, even online, that things are going so badly, that they don't want to go to syria. they don't want to go to iraq. that the dream of this caliphate growing up in the middle east is dying away, just start the war where you are. is that now permeating through

the online community? >> i think there's a sense that there are other fronts to be looked at by supporters of isis. that is, attacks on the west and so forth. but they still think that the caliphate is a dream worth fighting for. and when they attack in the united states, it's in the service of making this islamic state something that's permanent and something that can survive. they want to make sure, as i say, that you have wins. you have wins that you can put up on the board. and those are distinctly wins for an islamic state that fulfills prophesy and the will of god. >> and david ignatius, we've seen it in the past, in past attacks. there will be bad news published before the paris attacks in isis. and then an attack would follow in paris. and we've seen it, there is almost sort of this counter balance, bad news on the battle field equals a terror attack in

a western country. >> they're certainly being squeezed today, as they have not been in two years since their breakout, in iraq, syria, and now even libya. the u.s. has really begun to figure out ways to work with local forces, to take the attack to isis' capitals. raqqah is now essentially isolated in syria. a key transit point for isis foreign fighters coming into syria from turkey, essentially, has been closed off. in libya, the u.s. is working with surrogates and is moving on isis headquarters in the middle of the country from different directions, is surrounding those. so they're feeling the pressure at home. and as graeme says, they're appealing via the internet to people around the world, to take action. i'll just read you one message i

found last night looking online. aki, my brother, this is your chance. mujahideen wish they could go back and kick america or the west, and you are living among them. think and just do it. it's almost a plea from people out on the field, we can't act, but you can. do it. >> this is the model. this is the strategy pip mean, i have a quote, this is from last month, the isis spokesman talking about attacks during ramadan and encouraging them. says, "the smallest action you do in the heart of your land is dearest to us than the largest action by us, more effective and more damaging to them." if you look at what happened in orlando, look at what happened in san bernardino, look at what happened in garland, texas, at the prophet muhammad cartoon test, there's a pledge first, whether it's on twitter, facebook, pledge allegiance and carry out your act. but no contact at any point before that. >> and the policy making process has not kept up with this in any way, shape, or form.

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although it's still early in the investigation, we know enough to say that this was an act of terror and an act of hate. today marks the most deadly

shooting in american history. the shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. this massacre is, therefore, a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or a movie theater or in a nightclub. and we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be and to actively do nothing is a decision as well. >> it didn't take long for the candidates hoping to secede president obama to react to the orlando shooting. donald trump tweeted, "horrific incident in florida. praying for all the victims and their families. when will this stop? when will we get tough, smart, and vigilant?" a short time later, he added, "appreciate the congrats for being right on radical islamic terrorism. i don't want congrats, i want toughness and vigilant.

we must be smart". hillary clinton sent a personal tweet, "woke up to hear the devastating news from florida. as we wait for more information, my thoughts are with those affected by this horrific act." trump tweeted, "is president obama going to finally mention the words radical islamic terrorism? if he doesn't, he should immediately resign in disgrace." and he doubled down saying, "what has happened in orlando is just the beginning. our leadership is weak and ineffective. i called it and asked for the ban." after the president spoke, trump released a statement. "in his remarks, president obama disgraceful refused to even say the words radical islam. for that reason alone, he should step down." he added, "if hillary clinton after this attack can still not say the words radical islamic, she should get out of this race for the presidency." up next, former cia director michael hayden is our guest.

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tell my guys is, scrub anything. everything. see if we can find any digital exhaust. see if we can find any human contact that would have suggested this action. but frankly, joe, we probably won't. >> and does the level go up? so of warning where you've had this guy who had a reason to have fbi agents interview him twice. does this now mean that every interview takes on new significance and the least bit of exhaust creates, some would say, an overreaction. >> yeah. don, your fbi agent earlier mentioned this. look, we've had three examples now of folks on the radar, major nidal hasan, tamerlan tsarnaev, and now omar mateen, who were

looked at and then dismissed. this is not me criticizing the agent who is looked into this. but it's quite possible when they looked into these individuals, they weren't in the place that they finally ended up i in. this is just very hard. you talked earlier with david ignatius. i could sense a sense of resignation in david's voice that we're getting pretty close to the limits as to what the state can do without changing our nature as a society. >> well, and there's one kind of very sort of nebulous area, where all of this possibly could be tracked in some way, or maybe you tell us. it's online. i mean, his facebook page was taken down, but i wonder if there's a trail online, if there was access to the search engines used, et cetera. where do we go there there? where do we stand now? >> american industry nor terms of facebook and twitter and so on have been pretty good at taking down sites that are obviously a clear and present

danger. but, mika, where do you draw the line between independent thought and something the state has the right to forbid. >> david, let me ask you, since your name was brought up, do you think we are reaching the point of what we can do effectively in a free society? >> well, i think we're going to have to keep doing the things we're doing now, just to hold steady. the battlefield process of taking down isis in the theaters of war will continue. and i think once isis really is broken, that does have a beneficial effect. in terms of monitoring actions in the u.s., the question i would put to general hayden is whether he worries that talk about excluding muslims, keeping them out of the united states, other talk that makes muslims feel that they are separate and unequal, could make this problem of homegrown terrorism even worse. >> david, of course it does. and then the comment you read,

joe, before the break, from mr. trump, was prejudiced, simplistic, and frankly, inaccurate. and to the degree we drive these individuals into further isolation, to that degree, we increase the threat. graeme had a great point. we're talking about people who feel alienated from society. it happens in immigrant communities, particularly in second-generation individuals. but -- so they look for something greater than self. but as i've said before on the show, joe, it matters what gang you join in terms of this isolated individual. and we are driving these folks, i fear, in the direction of isis. i mentioned before, the u.s., we've got radicalized individuals, not yet radicalized communities. we can actually create that second reality. >> actually, more to the point on the trump tweet, he talked about building a wall. this was a united states citizen. there was no wall that was going to keep him out. he was born in new york. >> talking about a muslim ban.

so now are we moving one step further, where donald trump is suggesting we deport legalized american citizens here, some second, third generation. we know what he thinks of second generation mexicans. >> judges. >> so now are we talking about removing muslims? it made absolutely no sense. >> born in new york, lived in florida. let's get to frank's column. it's really a good one. "new york times," the scope of the orlando carnage. frank writes, "this was no more an attack just on lbgt people than the bloodshed at the offices of "charlie hebdo" were an attack solely on satirists. both were attackses on freedom itself. both took aim at societies that, at their best, integrate and celebrate diverse points of view, diverse systems of bully, diverse ways to love. we don't yet know all that much about omar mateen who pulled the trigger, again and again, at a nightclub whose name connates life, not death, pulse.

the people inside pulse were citizens of it. more to the point, they were emblems of it. in pulse, they found a refuge. in pulse, they found joy. to him, they deserve neither. and he communicated that with an assault rifle and bullets." that's just a small excerpt of a great column that's in the paper today. you can read it online as well, frank. this is clearly why he went there. not only were they americans, but they were gay americans, celebrating their lives, having a big saturday night. and that's the explicit reason he went there. >> yeah, no, and they were emblems of a society with freedoms that he deplores. and that people like him deplore. and we've seen that sort of targeting in previous attacks. these locations aren't random. these targets aren't random. in the portion you read, though, i want to go back to two words, which was "assault rifle." earlier, it was mentioned, have we reached the limits of what we can do? why are citizens allowed to -- why do we allow anyone to purchase an assault rifle? we are not at the limits we can

do, because we have not done all we can to keep the most dangerous weapons out of people's hands. >> well, there was nothing to check in his background. he worked for a security company. >> carried a gun for his day job. >> but why do you need an assault rifle? >> hey, i'm with you. >> why do you need an assault rifle with high after in addition capacity clip. >> one guy, two weapons, 100 people either killed or maimed. i totally agree with you. >> if you go look at the great stuff "the times" has been doing, how they got their guns and this, so many of these attacks, you see these pictures of these assault rifles. how is that a part of american's right to arms to defend themselves? why do you need an assault rifle that can fire shot after shot after shot in a matter of seconds? that's why the death toll climbs so high. >> we're not even sure it was an assault rifle. an ar-15 semiautomatic. >> which is a military style. >> yeah, military-style --

so, general hayden. this goes to another problem that frank and willie have brought up. that the targets are not your traditional terror targets. they're not military bases, they're not power plants, they're not nuclear installations. they are a rock show in paris. they are a nightclub in orlando. it seems to be striking out at american culture, western culture, as much as it is anything else. "charlie hebdo," another great example. this is a war not against america's military. this is a war against america's culture. >> that's exactly right. and joe, the definition of terrorism is violence against the innocent for a political purpose. and so, we see that. by the way, joe, that brings up a very key point, that these folks may be more motivated by who are than what we do, which

has been a grand debate inside our society. and it is going after the western identity. but, joe, back to the earlier point, the narrative of isis is undying emnitty between the west. frank's point about assault rifles is a very good one. last week, mark kelly launched a movement, veterans coalition for common sense. dave petraeus, stan mccrystal, myself, a bunch of veterans signed up to take on the very question that frank raises. >> and you know, after 9/11, a lot of people, frank, mocked those that said they hate us because we're free. and said, they don't hate us bases we're free, they hate us because we're imperialist pigs

that go into their country. no. you go back and you can see what ayatoll ayatoll ayatollah khomeini said before he went into power. they hate us because of our freedoms. whether it is our artistic freedoms, our political freedoms, in this case, our sexual freedoms. the freedom that women have been given in this society, where they treat women like third class citizens. they hate americans and those in the west, because we are freedom. >> they believe in an adherence to one ideology, one religion, one code of conduct. and the people who were killed were emblems of a society who don't believe in any of that. it was exactly an attack on lbgt people and that location was chosen for a reason. but those people are all of us. they're our representatives and every one of us was attacked. >> general hayden, thank you

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promised. not one day. this show is proof that history remembers. we live through times when hate and fear seem stronger. we rise and fall and light from dying embers, remembrances that hope and love last longer. and love is love is love is love is love is love is love cannot be killed or swept aside. liza tells her story, now fill the world with music, love and pride. thank you so much for this. that was lin-manuel miranda's acceptance speech, a is on the he wrote after winning the best score for "hamilton" last night. the cast of "hamilton" decided they would do a scene without muskets that reenacts the 18th century battle. welcome back to "morning joe." with us. we have david ignatius. "new york times" columnist,

bernan frank bruni, walter isaacson, and fellow at the council on foreign relations and contributing editor at "the atlantic," graeme wood, who has reported extensively on isis ideology. >> walter isaacson, i'm curious, what's your initial reaction to what you've seen over the last few days? >> this is something to horrify everybody. obviously, there's an islamic extremist terrorist component, but there's an anti-lesbian and gay component, there's an assault and military-style weapons. everything everybody can say, mental health, it's all there. and people try to say, it's this, it's this, it's this. it's all of the above. and that's what we have to try to figure out in a society, is how you can keep a lot of things in your mind at the same time. and say, we have to fight isis. we have to stop the flood of assault and military-style weapons that hit our society, with these, you know,

high-volume clips. we have to deal with mental health. and we have to have good domestic intelligence. and we can't demonize any group in our society. >> and it's like you said, frank bruni, this was no more just an attack on one community as the "charlie hebdo" attack was specifically aimed at satirists. this was part of a much larger puzzle, just like the solution has to be much larger, a much more holistic approach than we're taking right now. >> absolutely. it's an attack on freedom and the way we live and we have to respond to it as such. >> i think, also, we're going to see that a lot of the sort of conflict over how to move forward will be about what happens online. it's not like somebody needs to go and get trained and do all the things that have happened before in terrorist attacks that were far more complicated. san bernardino and possibly in this case, we may find that it's very isolated and even harder to detect. june 12th will be marked in

history as the date of the deadliest shooting in u.s. history. at least 50 people were killed and another 53 wounded after authorities say 29-year-old omar mateen opened fire inside the pulse nightclub in orlando. fbi agents have descended on his home, about 120 miles away in ft. pierce, florida, looking for anything that may explain why he carried out the attack. sources tell nbc news' pete williams before opening fire, mateen called 911, pledged allegiance to isis leader abubakar al baghdadi, and mentioned the 2013 boston marathon bombing. according to authorities, gunfire erupted inside the club just after 2:00 in the morning. a hostage situation unfolded. and by 5:00 a.m., police decide to go in, driving an armored vehicle through a wall. a gunfight then broke out between police and mateen. some of that audio you can hear in this clip. [ gunfire ] mateen was killed in that

exchange. according to the atf, mateen bought two guns, used in the shooting, just within the past week or so. a handgun and an ar-15 style rifle like the ones you saw here. officials say both firearms were purchased legally. >> david ignatius, mika was talking about online and the investigations that can be conducted online. you have brought up your concern about what some politicians have been saying online and how that may actually further isis' goal of isolating muslims, born and raised in america. >> i think, honestly, joe, that's the thing that concerns me the most this morning. we have been dealing in the united states with typically lone wolf, unstable characters, people with personal problems, who were then triggered into radicalization by things they see online. the big danger that the experts that i talk to see is that we'll

move from this individual motivation to a kind of group motivation. a sense of agreed identity between muslims as a whole, where people begin to feel that they are being excluded from the american communit and at that point, we have a much different and more dangerous situation. i think people need to be clear about the risks for our country, if this polarizing rhetoric continues. it begins to make muslims feel like they're on another side, and then it's a very different problem. >> and willie, we certainly saw that this weekend. more talk of muslim bans. more talk of exclusion. more talk, again, that has made many people believe, from donald trump, in people believe that a lot of his words, a lot of his rhetoric, actually he's playing into the isis playbook. >> as we started our coverage yesterday morning, we heard from

hillary clinton and donald trump. donald trump's first tweet, anyway, was relatively measured by his standard. thoughts and prayers for victims and things like that. but as the day went on, he talked again about the muslim ban. he's going to talk about it today and this week. he's apparently going to double down on that. >> this is a guy born in america. >> this is in reaction to omar mateen. the shooter yesterday was born in new york and lived in florida. >> so he's using this to try to prop up the muslim ban and hatred, even though it has no connection at all. >> and he's going to talk about hillary clinton and the ban as well. >> he didn't just talk about the muslim ban, he kind of congratulated himself for having introduced it before. everything about his reaction was very small and very unhelpful. and i think today -- >> and look at the second tweet. "appreciate the congrats." this is while 50 people are dead and 53 are fighting for their lives. "appreciate the congrats for being right on radical islamic terrorism." "i don't want congrats, i want

toughness and vigilance, we must be smart!" and he move on after congratulating himself. >> taking a victory lap on 50 bodies. lovely. >> and then going on, talking about doubling down on the muslim ban. >> right. which how would the muslim ban have changed this? >> it wouldn't. >> i think one of the really sharp things said this morning was general hayden, when he said, we're going to fight these lone wolves, and david ignatius said it, too, who are being radicalized, we need the help of the muslim community and we don't need the whole community to turn against us, we need, you know, this type of understanding of what america is all about. and for general hayden, appointed by george w. bush and then obama, head of the national security agency, to take on trump that fervently and that straightly, it shows how worried the intelligence community is. >> yeah, there should be collective take on, but we'll get to that. i think too soon at this point. graeme, the muslim ban that is

so talked about in political circles and in donald trump's massive rallies, do you think that helps, hurts the fight against isis and what we're dealing with here? >> obviously, the talk of a ban of muslims in the united states would hurt the fight against isis, and would confirm one of isis' main narratives. one of the things that isis always says is that muslims, you'll never really be at home in the west. you'll never really be american. you'll always be, in some way, a second-class citizen. so to have one of the major party candidates confirming that is not good. one thing that i've seen over and over again is that if there is an american, if there is a european, a belgian, a brit who joins isis, there's often a trace that's found in the activities of that person at a mosque, that you find that the imams of the mosque will remember the person for being a

troublesome figure, coming to the mosque and telling people how to do their business. so if you want those mosques, those imams to have communities that feel like they are part of the united states, of belgium, of the uk, and that they can tell authorities that they've got these troublesome people, who need to be watched. and that's one of our absolute best security guards against this kind of an event. is having those communities turn in members who seem to be going crazy. >> you know, the additional level of frustration, in this case, though, is that you had people who raised flags. we had the coworker we heard from just a while ago, who said that omar mateen was sexist and -- >> scary. >> -- was anti-america, essentially, and made comments about radicalism and reported that to the higher-ups at his company and basically was slapped away and asked for a transfer to get away from the harassment of this guy. his wife came out yesterday and said she'd been abused by mateen. there was a long list of pop who said something.

the fbi eventually looked into him. didn't deem him a great enough threat. they thought he was a guy who was kind of popping off at the mouth and not someone who could carry out the things he was talking about. but there were flags put up in this case. let's go down to orlando. nbc's chris jansing is there with more on the investigation into this gunman. we know he was a security guard. he bought his guns legally about a week ago. tell us more about his job. >> reporter: yeah, 12 days ago, he bought these guns legally. by the way, this assault rifle he bought, very much the same as the one we saw used in aurora, in newtown, in san bernardino, and also, to your point, willie, all these flags now apparently had gone up. his former wife talks about him as being so violent that she had to leave everything behind and flee. and he's been remarried since. he has a 3-year-old son, with his new wife. but when you hear people who know him, like a former

coworker, who has had some things to say about him, daniel gilroy says that he and mateen worked together as security guards. this was at pga village here in florida. he said mateen was always on time or a bit early, but he often wanted to talk about police issues, and how they handled incidents. and gilroy was very blunt about mateen's personality. he accused him of making racist comments. he called him scary and toxic. >> he always referred to every other race, religion, gender, in a very derogatory, negative away. >> how about gay people? >> that was mentioned once or twice, but more so was women. he did not like women, at all. he did like women in a sexual way, but he did not respect them. that they have too many rights and they shouldn't drive. he resented the fact that these

to be nice to these women, just to sleep with them. he was scary to -- in a concerning way. and it wasn't at times. it was all the time. you know, he would kick things and slap his hands on -- i mean, he just had anger management issues. the things that would set him off were always women, race, or religion. it was never finances or the weather, you know, that's the -- that was his button pushers. >> reporter: gilroy say he and mateen were both issued guns through their employer, but they stored them in their vehicle. he also said he ultimately left because he felt his complaints about mateen were not being adequately addressed by his employer, g4s. the company did issue a statement. they say they're shocked and saddened by the incident and they're cooperating with law enforcement. mateen had worked with them since september of 2007, although he was not on duty at the time. now, a couple of new things

since we spoke in the last hour. one is to the point you've been all talking about the isis playbook. we learned this morning that the official isis radio broadcast opened up essentially bragging about this attack, saying it was the worst perpetrated on the united states since 9/11. here in florida, as the investigation continues, the pa painstaking is and heartbreaking work of identifying the victims continues. there are 22 and 23 victims, 22 and 23 that have just been identified by the city of orlando. simon adrian carillo fernandez, 31, and oscar montanaro, who was 26 years old. that means, of course, there are still 27 families who are waiting for official notification that their loved one has been identified. the front page of the "orlando sentinel," though, promising our community will heal. joe, mika? >> nbc's chris jansing, we'll

check back with you throughout the morning. thank you very much. >> and that really goes, mika, to what we were saying before, what frank and i were talking about. again, this is not just leveled towards one community. it's an absolute hatred for all of our freedoms. and here, we heard specifically, from this former coworker, that the hatred mainly was leveled at women. >> and that he was so disturbing, he left his job. >> and that the rights of women -- >> he left his job. >> -- received. and again, it is a patchwork of hatred and resentment, because of the freedoms that americans and those in the west are given. >> absolutely. and the stirring up of hatred, both at home and around the world. it's weird. i mean, we thought we were going through a progress in history in which the notion of just hating people, because of who they are, was receding. >> that has been -- >> that has been disproved around the world. and unfortunately, even at home, the environment is getting more and more toxic.

>> why do you -- >> i mean, you know, you see it on social media. you see it, just unleashed, racism, you know, anti-gay -- >> what's prompting it? >> anti-muslim. >> where are the countervailing voices, though? >> there were strong leaders in the world that used to tamp this down. but now you're being allowed -- and donald trump is doing it -- to play to these things. countervailing force in the elected republican party. where is that force to go out and say -- >> actually, you have a lot of republicans, and you have to give them credit. you saw it in deer valley with the mitt romney group this weekend, who are speaking out and just appalled by the hateful rhetoric that's been stoked up by donald trump. but somehow, america has gotten more fragmented. and -- >> i would love to see a press

conference on capitol hill today, by republicans -- >> all of them. >> -- and republicans only, saying that the way to beat isis is by pulling muslim americans more deeply into the fabric of america, as we have done for years. in a way that france has never done, frank. in a way that england has never done. and a way that other european countries have never done. that's the genius of america. we are the melting pot. but that narrative seems to be turned on its head right now. and i'm waiting for elected leaders in washington, d.c. to stand shoulder to shoulder and say, enough! >> absolutely. i was so glad that walter mentioned mitt romney's name. but as you were mentioning it, and i've been very impressed by everything romney has said recently and i think it's a wonderful combination. but i wonder, where was the strength of that language four years ago? some of the republicans who have stepped up in the right way and challenged the divisiveness of donald trump, where was that

passion and where were those words four years ago, eight years ago? one of the great things that could happen from trump, if he doesn't succeed and go all the way, is the republican party has done some real soul searching here and realized that words matter, actions matter, and that they really have to step up to what they want to say is the vision of who they are. >> in the republican primary, donald trump found rewards for saying what he said, the muslim ban and building the wall, all those things, and won primaries because of it. the general election is a different matter entirely. do you think him coming out today and the rest of the week in reaction to what happened in orlando and talk about building walls and muslim bans, that that will now hurt him instead of help him as it did months ago? >> his comments immediately after the shootings may have seemed to people to be opportunistic and an attempt to say "i told you so," so those may have hurt him. but i do think that there is a real danger in our general

election campaign of the same kind of politics that we're seeing in europe, in france, in germany, in austria, in britain, where people are speaking -- politicians are speaking to the fears that people have. and rather than right to bring them together and have more sensible and inclusive policies, they're doing the on the. i do think that we need to see this as a national security problem. what's breathing life into isis, around the world is this sense, this rhetoric that's coming from prominent politicians that confirms their view of the world, that muslims are on one side, are discriminated against, and the world is ganging up on them. and that's going to give them life rather than squeezing them off. and people have to see that. >> we're going to look into this on our own. but i say to republicans in washington, how many of you are for the muslim ban? how many of you would stand up and say you are for the muslim ban? because if you are, i would like

to hear it. i would like to really hear what is behind that logic at this point. and why you would stand with trump on that. and why would support trump if he is for a muslim ban, given everything that we've learned. >> and given that every expert on isis, including general hayden, general hayden, telling us, that it only empowers isis. that sort of rhetoric only strengthens isis. and only encourages people to feel like they don't belong to our society. that they aren't full americans. >> that's what isis is trying to -- >> of course. >> they're playing right intoed the hands. >> and we saw it last week or the week before, as it had to do with a judge, born in america, from indiana, being called a mexican because his parents came here from mexico. and now, we have donald trump talking about banning muslims.

that were born in new york and live in florida. republicans, stand up and be counted. now is the time you can't hide. stand up and be counted! >> and i know i've said this a few times before, but i don't understand paul ryan, the speaker of the house, who could endorse a candidate who's for a muslim ban and who has said the things that he has said about a judge and won't retract and won't apologize and won't even understand the racist quality of the statements. >> actually, he doubled down at the worst possible time yesterday. i'm talking about donald trump doubled down, congratulating himself and then talking about doubling down on the muslim ban. >> at this point, i'm just shaken by the whole thing. i really can't believe we're here. >> frank bruni, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. everyone needs to read your piece yesterday. extraordinarily important. still ahead on "morning joe," we're awaiting a 7:30 news conference from orlando. we'll bring you that live when it happens. plus, congressmen from both sides of the aisle, republican adam kinzinger, who served in

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with us now, we've got republican congressman, adam kinzinger of illinois. he served in the air force in both iraq and afghanistan. also with us, ranking member of the house intelligence committee, democratic congressman, adam schiff of california, and national tennessee retired executive assistant of the fbi, sean henry. congressman, let's begin with you. what do we do? what do we do from this point forward? >> i think it's a couple of things. our talking on the prior segment, we have to watch our language. and this isn't our fault. and i think we have to be careful to cross into the, what happened to this guy to make him who he is, but i think, you know, saying things like a muslim ban is bad, because first off, you know, saudi arabia, united arab emirates just dealt the largest blow to al qaeda recently that's ever been blown, that's ever been put on them in yemen. and that was work that american soldiers no longer have to do. i think it's a short-term and long-term target. the short-term target is we have

to destroy isis. we have to make it clear that their caliphate will not succeed. they will not live. they will not go on. but the long-term target is understanding, you know, you have generations of people that are looking at the internet, that are uneducated in some cases, in syria and what's going on there, that are fertile recruiting ground for isis. >> we have a short window with sean henry. let's go to him first before we go to congressman schiff. >> we've been talking about this morning, would be interested to have your take on it. in this case, you have a guy who perhaps didn't have any contact with isis, but was inspired by things he read and made that phone call right before he began shooting in the nightclub to declare his allegiance with isis. what do you do about a guy like that? >> you know, we're in a new world, willie. i don't know what you do, specifically. i like the idea, there's been a lot of talk about bringing the community in on this.

i think that's absolutely right. i did a lot of outreach. the fbi continues to do outreach to the muslim community and to look for information where we see somebody who might be making these types of statements. but in a case where you've got somebody who's got almost no profile at all. we've heard his ex-wife talk about him being violent. we've heard his father talk about him with anti-gay comments. and then for him to go out and purchase guns and to take on this type of an attack, the really not a lot of information on the front side. the fbi and law enforcement are really hamstrung. people are living in this country because of its freedom. people -- americans embrace that. and some of the things that he said were protected speech. the fbi does not have probable cause to arrest him, and when we see an attack like this, it's just such an incredible challenge for our law enforcement community, because for someone to go from being aspirational to operational, can

happen in moments. >> sounds almost insurmountable in some ways. congressman adam schiff, sean henry talking about this new world. is the intelligence community prepared for this new world? >> well, we're doing our very best. the challenge is that if you have people who are self-radicalized or radicalized online and don't share their plans or they're plotting with others, it's very hard to stop. and i think, you know, we need the comprehensive approach to this problem that begins as we have to try to roll up isis in iraq and syria, to deprive them of the caliphate, which is the prime recruiting tool and inspiration for a lot of this radicalism around the world. and we have to work harder to try to integrate muslim communities within the united states, we've done, i think, a very good job, certainly, compared to europe. but as joe is pointing out, there's more that we can and will need to do. and we need to resist doing things that are counterproductive and i think david ignatius is exactly right,

these statements about banning muslims that play right into the isis narrative of a clash of civilizations are amazingly counterproductive. and you can imagine how difficult it is to get the full cooperation of many of our gulf allies who need to fight the ideological fight as well as the physical fight when we say we want to ban even them coming to the country to coordinate on strategy. so there are some positive steps that we can take, are taking, and i think on the positive side, we're seeing the space that isis is operating in, in iraq and syria, shrink. we also have to deal with the political problems of those two countries to make sure that once we defeat isis there, we don't have a subsequent iteration emerge from its ashes. >> congressman kinzinger, you're the deputy whip on the republican side. i know guns are an issue that's just very hard to talk about. you almost don't want to raise them right after a situation like this. but is there some way we can discuss the proliferation of

these assault-type, military-type long guns with high ammunition magazines that some way to cut back the number that are sloshing around our society. >> we can always have that discussion. that's what the floor of the house of representatives is for, to discuss these issues. >> guys, we need to break into a news conference. this is orlando mayor buddy dyer and the press conference has begun. >> we came together, united to support the families and friends of the victims. we learned of the heroic acts of our orlando police department and other local law enforcement agencies, as well as our citizen. hundreds of lives were saved over the course of that night. o.p.d. and the other law enforcement agencies responded heroically, allowing hundreds to escape at the beginning of the event and then breaching the wall, killing the bad guy, and rescuing dozens of hostages. the medical personnel that saved so many lives, that were transported to the hospital are

certainly heros in my mind today, as well as the entire community. and then we turn it over to -- we begin thinking of the families and identifying the victims, which is critically important, because i could not imagine being one of the parents or, knowing your loved one might be among those that are deceased and having to wait and find out. the fbi did an unbelievable job of clearing the scene, by 11:00, all of the victims had been removed and turned over to the medical examiner and to the fdle. and then they also stood tall and did their job, and now, 48 of the 49 victims have been identified. 24 of the next of kin have been notified. with more to come. the number to call for families is 407-246-4357.

407-246-4357. as the next of kin are being notified, we are putting the names of the victims on cityof orlando/victims. so i want to compliment the medical examiner and the fdle for the work they did all night long in making the identifications and then notifying the next of kin. and we are continue that process today. again, we will not be defined by the act of a cowardly hater. we will be defined by how we respond, how we treat each other. and this community has already stepped up to do that. thank you. governor? >> thank you, mayor. >> just a few a minutes ago, i asked president obama to declare a state of emergency for the state of florida. i did that yesterday for orlando, orange county, and the mayor did it yesterday for the city. when you stop to think about this, you think about, we all think about, thank god it wasn't our family, but if you go

through that list of family members, we have a lot of individuals from puerto rico, we have a wonderful puerto rican community. i have a young lady, kimberly morris, who came here to take care of her mother. our law enforcement has done a wonderful job, the orlando police department, the sheriff's department, the fdle, the fbi did a wonderful job of getting the bodies removed from pulse and fdle with the medical examiner did a great job of identifying the bodies. this is a wonderful community we live in. this is a wonderful state. we are the best melting pot in the world. we have 20 million people who live here. we'll have over 100 million people who come to visit here, because it's a wonderful place to both live and visit. we're going to continued to work hard to take care of these families and make sure we try to get this community and the state

back and work as quickly as we can. but right now it's time to grieve for each family member that either lost a loved one or still has somebody in the hospital injured. i'll turn it over to orlando chief john mice. >> good morning. i want to provide some more information about our initial response and subsequent rescue of many, many people. so, again, we had an extra duty, off-duty officer working for pulse nightclub, in full police yooum uniform. at about 2:00, he responded to shots fired. he did engage in a gun battle with the suspect, somewhere near one of the entrances. shortly after that, additional officers responded. those additional officers made entry while the suspect was shooting, engaged in another gun battle with the suspect, forced him to stop shooting and retreat

to the bathroom, where we believe he had several hostages. at that time, we were able to save and rescue dozen seasos an dozens of people who are injured and not injured and get them out of the club. things kind of stabilized, based on staples made by the suspect about explosives, about possible bomb vests. we kind of secured everything, called s.w.a.t., and we did set up for an explosive breach on the bathroom wall, where we knew there were approximately 15 people in the opposing bathroom, to where the suspect was, with his hostages. based on statements made by the suspect, based on information we received from the suspect and from the hostages and people inside, we believe that further loss of life was imminent. i made the decision to commence the rescue operation and do the explosive breach.

the explosive breach did not penetrate the wall completely. we used our armored vehicle, the bearcat armored vehicle to punch a hole in that wall and defeat the wall. so there's a hole in the wall about 2 feet off the ground and about 2 or 3 feet wide. we were able to rescue dozens and dozens of people that came out of that hole. the suspect came out of that hole himself, armed with a handgun and a long gun, engaged in a gun battle with officers, where he was ultimately killed. so at that time -- at this time, i just want to say that the opd officers, from the initial responding officers to the s.w.a.t. officers to all the other law enforcements acted very heroically and courageous and saved many, many, many lives during this operation. and one officer was struck in the kevlar helmet, right above his forehead. that kevlar helmet did save his

life. i talked to him, i spoke with him at length last night. he is doing great. at this time, i'll turn it over to special agent danny banks. >> can you clarify if anymore victims were shot when it was a hostage situation? >> so, good morning. i want to talk very briefly about what our primary mission, for all of us today is, and that's the identification of the victims and the notification of the family. as you heard from mayor dyer, we have confirmed the identity of 48 of our 49 victims. the last identity confirmation is pending right now, so we anticipate having that name here shortly. a number of those, as you've heard from the mayor, we have notified their next of kin, and that is our 100% priority mission today. as you're aware, the city of orlando is advertising the names of those victims, as we make the notification to the family member. and i'll explain very briefly

how that's going. we have teams of fbi agents that we are deploying as we're identifying these victims throughout the state and really throughout the nation, to identify the family members to let them know that their loved one is deceased. once we've confirmed that, that is at the time we'll post that to our website. i ask that everybody just respect the privacy of the family in that we will advertise those names of those victims, but only of the time that we can confirm the next of kin is notified. again, i want to stay, that is the primary mission of all of us right now, to notify the family members, exactly, that one of their loved ones is dead. and we will advertise those names publicly to the rest of the community. i'll turn it over to now, i believe, the fbi is ready to speak. ron harper. u.s. attorney lee bentley. >> as mayor dyer said, yesterday was the most horrific day in the

history of orlando. it was a day of the largest mass shooting in the history of the united states. terrible tragedy. first of all, on behalf of the federal government, i would like to thank our state and local partners, the florida department of law enforcement, the orlando police department, the orange county sheriff's office, the men and women of these agencies have been working tirelessly over the last day and a half. on behalf of the federal government, i would also like to thank the governor, senator nelson, and all the other elected officials who have been here today for their help, for their interest in what's going on here. we're working very closely with the united states with our partners at the national security division at the department of justice, we're also working with the fbi and with atf. an amazing amount has been done

in just over 24 hours, as has been explained, almost all of the victims have been identified. the notification process is ongoing. we've been collecting a great amount of electronic and physical evidence. there is an ongoing criminal investigation. it is still in the early stages. we do not know yet whether anyone else will be charged in connection with this crime. i do want to let you know that we have no reason to believe that anyone connected to this crime is placing the public in imminent danger at this time. that there is an investigation of other persons. we're working as diligently as we can on that. we have teams of prosecutors, as well as teams of agents working around the clock, getting search warrants, getting court orders. if anyone else was involved in this crime, they will be

prosecuted. and now i'm going to turn it over to the atf, special agent in charge, gina lombardo. thank you. >> good morning. first i would just like to extend -- the atf's family would like to extend a heartfelt, warm appreciation for the extended visit here today. on behalf of the atf, we would like to say we are here to give you their role in the investigation. we found on the scene, there were two weapons on the scene. atf brings a unique tracing capability to the table. we've been able to trace those weapons. the weapons have been traced to the last known purchaser, which is the shooter. one of the weapons -- the third weapon was also found in his vehicle. we are still working on tracing that weapon, as well.

wlds like to extend our heart mettle cleanses to the victims' families as well as the lbgt community. we are working the investigation with a team of atf analysts, special agents. we are working together with the fbi, and all our state and local partners here today. we have a team of people here that are able to provide what we can to this investigation. i would like to now turn it over to the fbi. special agent in charge. >> good morning. my name is paul wisepoll, the special agent in charge of the fbi's office here in orlando. i think yesterday you hear from ron hopper, who did a commendable job as the on-scene commander for the fbi. i think one of the things to take away from bad events such as this, it brings the community togeth

together, including the law enforcement community. we all work together, from 2:00 in the morning when the shooting began, everyone rallied together to work the case as one force. we have a joint terrorism task force, of which all these agencies represented just spoke, are all represented on the joint terrorism task force. we work cases side by side. a lot of investigation so far has kind of been disclosed to you. the main thing we looked at in the very beginning was the victims. as you heard, 49 are deceased, 48, identified. family members of about 24 families have been notified. we also have brought down 39 witness victim specialists, and they're to work with the families to try to get them what they do need. the resources are available. other agencies have pooled their resources and brought them down. the fbi has brought ours to bear from the miami field office, the atlanta field office, the

jacksonville field office, as well as quantico, virginia, the laboratory has sent down a shooting reconstructionist, and that's kind of the next task at hand, as of last night, within 24 hours, all of the victims were removed from the pulse bar lounge, and now we're going to be processing it with the shooting reconstruction team to get as much forensic evidence as we possibly can at that point. the investigation continues, over the night, we've probably processed about 100 leads that were worked on by agents and task force officers combined. the fantastic force has been up and running since the beginning of this and will continue to run. that's one of the things that all the agencies will do is bring the resources to bear. our focus is to get the truth and get it to you as quickly as we can. but you have to realize, there is a balancing act. a lot of what we do in investigations may become classified. you can't disclose that information. basically ask for your patience

and that you bear with us in the investigation. we'll disclose what we can, when we can. and we have to recognize that when we can't, it's not because we don't want to, it's because there may be prosecutions down the road. we're not sure where the leads will go. as you know post-9/11, no stone is unturned, and that's the same today as it was then. every terrorism case and investigation will be worked the same way. no stone will be left unturned and we'll follow the leads wherever they take us and brief you as best we can, when we can. but you have to bear with us on that and just trust our judgment. the fbi has been in existence over 108 years now and we've earned the people's trust by working cases hard and being straightforward be you and we don't want to violate that trust by giving you bogus information, that two hours later we've got to tell you that information was wrong. by giving you accurate information, and by doing that, it may take you some time to get you that accurate information. with that, i'll ask you to bear with us, as you move forward in the investigation.

i want to know like everyone else did and commend the first responders, they actually saved lives by responding as quickly as they did. numerous people were brought out alive and unharmed, and many more are in the hospital, hopefully to recover. begin that healing process. that's another thing that's a bonus for this community, that it has come together and hopefully that will maintain and stay the course. barring that, i guess we'll take some questions. >> why has the number changed from 49 to 50 dead? >> i think what some people had been given out at one point in time, the shooter were included as the number of dead. we don't include the shooter as a victim. 49 have been identified as present and 29 of those families have been made aware of their location. >> can you help us clarify one thing. >> a couple more remarks and then we'll answer questions. >> good morning.

this has certainly been a trying time for all of us and i can tell you as a native of orlando, this is certainly touching to my family and i. i've served here in this community with the orlando police department and now the orange county sheriff, and there's never really been a time where the agencies at the federal, state, and local level have come together to work. and throughout the night, our agencies have continued to work with the fbi. we have a great partnership and i am certain that within just a short period of time, all of these victims will be able to be identified and those families will be reunited with their loved ones, if you will. that effort is certainly going on and so we have received tremendous outpourings of support from across the country, from our colleagues, and law

enforcement. and it's very heartwarming to all of us who wear the badge and carry a gun on a daily basis. as i have talked with some of my staff and some of the staff who -- of the orlando police department, who responded yesterday to this tragedy, the men and women were certainly touched by this. many of them saw some carnage that they would never ever see in any other location. if you think about it, this is not a war zone that we are living in. this is a civilized society and we had to deal with something unthinkable, in which 50 people, 49 victims and an individual died yesterday, and many of these law enforcement officers had to go in and observe that. so now it's about putting our community, our nation back together, and at the same time, ensuring th ensuring that those individuals who had to deal with what they

saw yesterday are able to come back to work and do their jobs. that's where i am at this point. working with all of our partners to make sure we take care of those brave souls who responded. at this time, i believe we're turning it over to the attorney general, is what i was told. is that correct? okay, attorney general pam burton. >> good morning. just to update you from last night, we have mobilized 14 of our victims' advocates from pensacola to miami. they're all here, they're all together, they're on the ground. they're working with the fbi, with the city of miami. we know now of the victims, only 24 families have been notified. i know you have this number, but please repeat it, 407-246-4357. 407-246-4357. if you're a friend, a distant friend, please don't use that number.

that number is for relatives, loved ones who are still attempting to identify these victims. we're here, we're prepared to help you. we have counselors, advocates, and we also have compensation counselors, who can also aid with funeral expenses, if these victims' families aren't able to do so for themselves. so today, our goal, as the sheriff said, we're working together. this is about unity. this is about bringing the great city of orlando back together. our state, and our country. and thank you, again, to our federal, state law enforcement officers and governor rick scott for standing strong with us this entire time. thank you. thank you. >> can you clarify, when this became a hostage situation for several hours, do you believe that the killer fired anymore shots, killed anymore victims during that time span? >> no, as soon as it kind of stabilized and the suspect had barricaded himself in the bathroom, our negotiators were

talking with him and there were no shots at that time. so -- but there was talk about bomb vests, about explosives throughout and then there were statements made about imminent loss of life, and so that's why i made the decision to make tha. >> [ inaudible ]. >> about 0500 hours in the morning. >> did you he make that phone call to 911 after he started shooting victims? >> we believe he made it while he was in the bathroom, after the initial victims were shot. >> [ inaudible ]. >> he was in one bathroom with we believe four to five hostages. there were people in the opposing bathroom, about 15 to 20 people and unknown when we rescued dozens and dozens of people. we don't know from which bathroom they came at this point. >> how would you characterize the other suspects that may have been in that club at the time.

>> not that i'm aware from inside the club. there's another investigation going on by the fbi but nothing from inside the club. >> how would you characterize the killer's demeanor during this entire operation? >> i would say based on the calls he was cool and calm when he was making those phone calls to us. >> there was a crisis negotiator called out to the scene, is that correct? >> absolutely. we had a team of crisis negotiators that did talk to the suspect. just trying to get as much information as possible and they focused on, you know, what we could do to help resolve the situation. >> you were involved or you made the ultimate decision when to -- can you talk about what that was like? >> absolutely. and let me just say this. i'm surrounded by a great team from the orlando police department and the sheriff as well as our federal partners.

and the information that i received from my team is that loss of life was imminent so, yes, had to make that decision. hard decision to make, but i wasn't alone. i did have a team of people advising me. we knew that was the right thing to do and believe we preventea future loss of life and saved many, many lives. >> when he's on the phone, there are reports from witnesses that he was laughing, shouting, celebrating as he was firing, that he proclaimed his allegiance to isis. what did he really say that you know? >> there was an allegiance to the islamic state. there was no laughing as far as our negotiations were involved. >> -- the 911 call? when will you release the 911 call? >> that's up to the fbi. part of their federal investigation. >> is there a chance that the people might have been struck by

friendly fire so to speak in the crossfire? >> it's all part of the investigation but i will say our s.w.a.t. officers, about eight or nine officers opened fire. their backdrop was a concrete wall and they were being fired upon so that's all part of the investigation. >> there are reports he also called a news team. have you heard that at all? >> i have not heard that. >> can you tell us if there was any surveillance inside the club and, if so, what have you learned from that. >> video surveillance? >> yeah. >> i'm not sure about that. >> why the delay between going in? >> the scene that's stabilized it was a barricaded hostage situation at that time. we were negotiating with him, and there were talk of bombs and explosives. when that talk became a crisis for us was when we knew there would be imminent loss of life and imminent thing that made us have to make that decision -- >> you were negotiating.

what was he asking for? >> he wasn't asking for a whole lot. we were doing most of the asking. >> what is that like to make a decision and have people that were injured in the club that you'd like to get rescue personnel to help them, maybe save their life but you have to make this other decision to wait to maybe prevent more loss of life. what was that like to make that decision knowing people who might be losing their lives because they couldn't get medical attention, you needed to wait. what was that like for you as a chief? >> it's a hard decision to make but the right decision to make. our number one priority is on saving lives. so it was the right decision to make, i believe. and tough decision knowing that people's lives would be placed in danger. our officers' lives would be placed in danger by that entry. but we train for that. some of the most heroic and courageous s.w.a.t. team members around. they did a fabulous job and saved many lives.

>> was this a suicide mission for him? did you recover any explosives? >> was it a suicide mission, though? through the negotiations you said we're doing most of the asking. wat was he asking for? >> we cannot determine that baseod the conversations we had with him. >> where were most people in the club? there were several rooms in that building. >> the lounge area, the bathroom and bar area. dozens and dozens of people were saved when our initial responding officers made that first spreentry. able to get most of the people out of the dance floor or bar or lounge area. >> what made it imminent? >> there was a timeline given, and we believed there was imminent loss of life that we needed to prevent. >> you gave a time line?

did anyone [ inaudible ]. >> there were no reports of shots fired during that time that i'm aware of. >> thank you. >> the fbi. >> final question. >> when the suspect who had been interviewed by the fbi three times, why did -- isn't that the kind of information that counterterrorism officials would want to know and should something change. >> our mission from the tampa perspective is to work the case forward and back. headquarters is taking a look at the other incidents that you're referencing, and they're going to work those back n forward and at one point we'll meet. we don't have the answers in tampa to your question. we'll continue to move forward from june 12th forward and do the historical as to who this individual was and learn as much about him as we can. at some point we'll be able to answer the question. >> does that concern you that

[ inaudible ]. >> i don't know whether i'm concerned. >> this includes our briefing for today. as we unravel the life of the shooter, anyone that knew the shooter or has information, call 1-800-call-fbi. 1-800-call-fbi. if you have any information about the shooter at all. this is our only planned press conference for today. we'll get back in touch with you via social media channels and e-mail if we have anything further. >> you've been listening to federal, local law enforcement officials and city officials in orlando, florida, talking about the carnage at the pulse nightclub in orlando overnight. we heard from florida's governor rick scott declaring a state of emergency and committing to take care of the families of the victims. 49 victims plus the killer himself and 53 injured, maimed. we heard from the police chief in chilling detail about how the night unfolded and their efforts to stop the carnage. the calculus they had to make

finally to make the decision to bash through the wall of the nightclub and many poured out of the hole in the wall that they created. and then the killer himself and then their final confrontation with the killer when they took him down. we also heard from atf about potential third gun that was found in the killer's car n more about the investigation. so little is known right now. we're back live with nicolle wallace, republican congressman adam kinzinger, democratic congressman adam schiff of california, david ignatius is still with us in washington and graham wood of the atlantic who has been extensive research and reporting on isis also joining us. >> david ignatius, what did you learn from that investigation? the press conference. >> there were several things that struck me from the press conference. one, did the police, fbi believe that he had other weapons inside that nightclub.

there was reference made to suicide vests he might use. why did they believe that? second, i'm sure they're looking to see if there was any kind of support network for him in florida or elsewhere. were there people who he talked to, people who knew that he was acquiring weapons. that's crucial. an issue that i'd love to hear congressman schiff and counzinger's views on is what about the question put to the fbi local chief about blinking red lights that the fbi should have taken more care of to address. is there a concern? i'd ask these members of congress who oversee the fbi that something was missed here. >> let's go to congressman schiff first. congressman? >> i think that's certainly one of the questions we'll be studying. the fbi went out in 2013 and 2014. interviewed the suspect. perhaps repeatedly. heard concerning comments from

co-workers. and the question is, is there more that the bureau could have done? it appears, at least publicly, what the bureau has said is they didn't have enough to make an arrest. they didn't have enough to prosecute for either conspiracy, material support for terrorism and as they pointed out earlier, it's not a situation where you can prosecute someone for the exercise of their first amendment rights even when they are espousing something pernicious if there's no indication of an imminent threat. so i think it's way too soon to say the bureau should have done more, could have done more. it also was an intriguing question at the end of the press conference about whether someone who had been the subject of fbi investigation should have prompted some kind of an alert back to the bureau when they went to get these weapons. i don't think that is a requirement at all. it would be a very controversial issue as the whole gun issue is. but i will say this. we have spent billions and

billions to improve intelligence and we have improved it a great deal. we are sending our troops to fight overseas. the one thing we really have not done at all is address the ready access to these kind of weapons that make it easy to kill a lot of people in a nightclub. that's the one area that's been off basically off limits. and i think we need to ask whether we can ton do that. >> we heard from president obama who spoke after the killing spree. we'll be hearing live from presidential candidate hillary clinton who will be joining us in a few minutes getting right on this. and fbi agents are all over this. sources tell nbc news' pete williams that before opening fire. mateen called 911, pledged allegiance to abu bakr al baghdadi and mentioned the 2013 boston marathon bombing. >> so we have secretary hillary clinton is going to be calling us in a few minutes. but go ahead and answer david

ignatius' question. any concerns about the blinking red lights. >> we look back too many times and say there were signs. that needs to be something we have a discussion of. what triggers that level of our interest? but, look, people can have very suicidal desires. people can -- there's not a ton you can do to stop them until they take that first action. because if they just have it in their heart you can't screen people's hearts. when they take -- >> can you screen their internet activity? that's where i think we're going to end up. >> you were talking before about how aggressively internet companies shut down child pornography immediately but do not shut down this type of activity as quickly. >> it's not a capability question. it's a will question. and i think a lot of people believe the policy debate will shift to whether or not facebook and twitter and social media companies can do more. they are remissed to do more in the area of edward snowden. they don't want to look like partners of the government.

would you like to have him come before you and lay out what they are doing? >> sure. like i said, you don't know if somebody is going to do a terrorist act or become a terrorist until they take that first step. >> the first step often happens on the internet. it happens on facebook. we have sort of accepted this resignation. it's all over david ignatius' face. there's a set of things that can be done in the social media space. >> but again, though, and i totally agree with you, but, mika, we talked about it before and we talked about it before donald trump talked about this muslim ban. if the fight against isis is going to be won, it is not going to be won simply by putting 10,000, 20,000 boots on the ground in syria. it's going to be won by muslim americans who feel like they are every bit as american as you and me, and when they see something,

they say something. why? because they're americans. every bit as much as we're americans. and that is something that gets lost in these sort of debates. >> and presidential candidate trump bringing up the muslim ban about this killer which, again, is a stretch. joining us now, the president of the islamic society of central florida. imam muhammad musr. >> thank you. >> we are talking about the muslim ban and wondering if your contention is the same as ours that this plays into -- >> not responsible for it, but making law enforcement's job that much more difficult in having active cooperation from muslim americans, all muslim americans. >> well, good morning, mika and joe. first let me explain my deep and

sincere condolences to the families of the victims. these are families that are our neighbors in orlando in my hometown where i spent most of my life. i was here all day in the morning with the police chief and the fbi, and i was horrified. as muslim leader, as an imam, and i can speak for all muslims in america, we condemn the awful act of terrorism that took place here. the awful massacre of these innocent human beings, our fellow americans, and i want to reiterate that the killer, the murderer was not a foreign national. he was an american-born citizen who lived two hours away from orlando. even though i and my community did not know him, but i don't know why he chose to come to orlando to commit this murderous act. >> imam, it's willie geist.

thank you for being with us. you say you didn't know the shooter, but his own imam came out yesterday and said if you came and asked me, i could have told you he was aggressive. he was a peaceful muslim that we pride ourselves on being. have you now since yesterday been in touch with other muslims. it was fort pierce, the mosque where he practiced. have you been in touch with him at all and talked about this shooter? >> i was not able to get in touch with them. it's a very small community two hours away, but i had the opportunity to speak with imams from new york to california about our response to this tragedy. i call on american muslims nationwide to rise and to stand up against terrorism, against radicalization. what we have seen in san bernardino and right here in orlando is enough is enough. so as an imam, these acts don't

speak to my faith. they don't represent the peaceful nature of my religion. and i'm calling on all muslims to come, and we are planning an event next month on july 23rd. in washington, d.c., at the national mall to express our condemnation of terrorism and to express our solidarity and our patriotism. and we want all americans to come with us. the spree of mass shootings is not just for muslims. we had over 100 mass shootings this year. and i think we need to address as the president said yesterday in his remarks the fact that if you have an assault rifle, military style assault rifle, law enforcement can do very little to respond in time before so many precious lives are lost.

so that's a matter for congress, but for us as a community, we are grieving here. we lost loved ones. there is also family among those who are lost, as well as muslim and we feel that we want to reach out to our brothers and sisters in the lgbt community. we stand with you, and we are really grieving with you. and we're praying for your recovery. >> all right, imam muhammad musri, thank you. we look forward to that meeting on the mall in washington. i just -- we've been talking this morning about the weapons. and they sent this to us earlier. just to make sure we have it right. authorities say the rifle was an ar-15 style weapon. and that it was legally purchased. that means it is not an assault rifle.

the ar series is a semiautomatic assault style line. but it's not fully automatic. it's not an assault rifle, which cannot be -- >> but those two guns there that he purchased, there might be a third that we heard from the atf that was in his car, but with those two guns, he was able to kill 49, possibly more people and injured 53 in the course of moments. >> on this topic, congressman, you are a strong supporter of the second amendment, a member of the nra, but you've come out for a ban on assault-style weapons. is that right? >> no, what i say is we need to have this debate. what gets lost in this, and i know this is going to turn into a gun debate. this is a terrorist attack. >> we're not going to do that right now. >> i know you're not. >> a bigger point, though, is this happened in france, too. they have very strict gun laws. but when you have a will to kill many, many people like these

terrorists do, they're going to find a way. >> i thought i read you had a ban on assault weapons. >> no. >> david ignatius, we're talking about republicans asking them to stand up and be counted as it pertains to the muslim ban that's been proposed by donald trump. and i -- we're going to try to do our own research and find out who does or does not support this, but they should stand up and be counted at this point. i'm wondering if members of the foreign policy community should do the same if it's so universally understood that this is so destructive, that we are setting ourselves back in time, we're moving forward into a dangerous, violent zone. shouldn't members of the foreign policy community at this point speak out collectively and strongly? >> i think it's a moment when people really need to examine the consequences of the anti-muslim rhetoric for our

safety as a country. foreign policy, intelligence professionals who have knowledge. journalists like me who can interview them and get their views before the public. we have a responsibility to do that. i thought it was important that general hayden, former director of the nsa and the cia was so explicit in saying comments like these, comments about excludeing muslims isolate that community and put the united states at greater risk in the process. i think if that message becomes clear so the politicians know if they don't speak out, don't condemn these comments, they're really encouraging a situation in which future instance might happen. the experts i talk to say the one thing isis has going for it these days is all this rhetoric. this inflammatory rhetoric which speaks to their view of the world. we are the victims.

we're isolated. we have to stand together and take up arms against the people who would victimize us. and so cutting off that oxygen so that they're not able to recruit, not able to motivate people to take actions in some ways is the most important thing that can be done right now. >> we've been on now for a couple hours. two hours and 22 minutes. sometimes in the third hour we start speaking in shorthand just to make sure we keep everything in perspective here. in the first two hours we read it straight. we're starting to move more into commentary. but if you just woke up on the west coast and started watching our show 12 minutes ago, obviously, nobody around this set is blaming anybody for these acts of terror except the terrorist himself. and we have refrained from the first couple of hours from talking about guns or talking about a lot of the other issues.

donald trump's tweets. but we're moving a bit more because we've been here coming on our third hour into commentary. and we just want to be very careful here. this was an act of terrorism. it was the fault of a terrorist. we, though, do need to look forward and see how we avoid this. i remember after sandy hook it seemed that democrats only wanted to talk about gun control. it seemed like republicans only want to talk about other issues. we talked about mental health counseling. we talked about video games. now we're talking about social media. we're talking about inflammatory rhetoric. it's all out there. it's all responsible. if we're looking forward on how we stop these things from happening in the future, i think it's our responsibility to talk about everything from looking at assault-style weapons to mental health counselling to inflammatory rhetoric from politicians to being more

inclusive for muslim americans. that's our responsibility. we want to be very careful, though, at this point to make sure that the onus is entirely on the terrorist who killed 50 people. 49 people. >> having said that, at a time like this, you look to our leaders and the people who wish to be our leaders. >> totally agree. >> and what their language is and policies are and positions are and even the temperament of their reactions because that will lead our country into whatever direction we may go in depending on who wins the next presidential election. we have to look closely. we have to decide. and america needs to decide exactly what they want. and this is kind of a good time to see someone's true colors. >> right. >> we are going to be hearing from presidential candidate hillary clinton in just a few moments. >> we are. >> congressman adam schiff and adam kinzinger, thank you so much. still ahead, we'll be speaking live to hillary clinton and congressman peter congress of the homeland security

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joining us now from orlando, mayor buddy dyer. mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. there was discussion about taking care of the families still right now being notified about what's happened. update us on how that is happening. >> well, after we secured the scene, the most important thing in our mind was to identify the victims and then make notification to the families. so that process is the fbi in conjunction for the department of law enforcement and the medical examiner. we've now been able to identify 48 of the 49 victims and have made notification to the next 24. and what they do is send out teams of either opd or fle and grief counselors, advocates. it's a tough process. >> willie? >> mayor dyer, it's willie geist. good to talk to you again today. just for broadly, the pulse of,

forgive the word, the pulse of orlando right now. it's the darkest day in your history probably yesterday. how are you all doing this morning? >> let me just say this. yesterday was the most horrific day in the history of our city, but i could not be more proud of our city today than ever. we stand united in support of each other and support of the families and the friends of the victims. we've come together. there's just been an outpouring. there were lines at all the blood banks yesterday of people wanting to be supportive and give blood. there's been every type of outreach that you can think of, and we stand united as a community. we're a community that welcomes diversity, embraces diversity and equality. and i think it shows even more today than ever. >> mayor buddy dyer, thank you for being with us. we're sad that we have to speak with you under these circumstances. but hope to see you again soon under much, much better

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as some of you might have heard, there has been a tragic shooting at the ft. hood army base in texas. earlier today, a number of people were shot in tucson, arizona. a few miles outside of denver, in a town called aurora. there are families in connecticut who cannot do that tonight. we are confronting yet another mass shooting. and today it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital. michelle and i know several members of emmanuel ame church. somehow this has become routine. we've become numb to this. today marks the most deadly shooting in american history. >> those were just some of the times president obama has addressed mass shootings in america. joining us, republican congressman peter king of new york, the chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism. >> so, peter, there's so many things for us to address and, of course, some want to bring up guns. some want to bring up mental

health. some want to bring up facebook, twitter, et cetera. as you look at this frightening new world in which we live, one that you've warned us about for a very long time, what's your next step? >> joe, i was watching your show earlier today with david ignatius and general hayden. in many ways we have to go further than we have. the fact is, isis is appealing to these lone wolves. i assume he is a lone wolf. we'll find out. they are able to appeal to lone wolves, deranged people in society and that makes it so much harder to monitor them or find them. the fbi did question him twice and investigate him twice. they didn't find anything. i understand that. but did the fbi then pass that on to local police? we have to get more coordination between the fbi and local police. i thought we had it but didn't even have it during the boston marathon bombing.

i hope that happened here but i've not heard there was that coordination. the fbi, there's going to be so many of these cases, so many possible suspects, and they can't monitor them all. you need local community involvement and the local police can do that better. that's one aspect of it. >> and the other may be online? at this point you say lone wolves are so hard to monitor. and what are the chances we're not going to find a plethora of information in terms of his online activity. >> well, that is something that has to be done. we have to find a way to do it. i'm not on the civil liberties side. we have to make sure we're not just allowing the government to hack in anywhere, if you will. but if there's any type of probable cause or anything that's open record, anything open source, absolutely that's being monitored carefully. the fbi does try to do that. the nypd has tried to do that. when people try to oversimplify this by saying that we can't be spying and snooping. i hate to use those terms.

that's what we hear from the left. and you hear from the bomb we just bomb them into submission. this will be a long, hard-fought war that will be fought on many fronts. it's not going to be sexy, dramatic. it's going to be a long, hard fight. i think the american people have to realize that and our political leaders have to start telling us that that we have to stop the name calling and do it in a very effective and overall way. i can be critical of the president in a number of areas. today is not the day to do that. but i think we have to relook at our policies and do it in a way we're not accusing people on one hand, want to spy on everyone and the others are saying they want to ignore the threat. we have to realize a lot has to be done. >> congressman king, after 9/11, democrats and republicans really rose to the challenge, rose to the occasion. we decided we were going to never again fail to connect the dots. why this morning does it feel like everyone is resigned to this new fate, to what graham describes as isis' will.

why so much resignation? is the political will lacking or political climate forbid a s sustained conversation about these steps? >> i was with president bush two days after 9/11. one of our jobs was to keep the american people sustained over the next many years that there's going to be a long, hard struggle. he was afraid after the first few months or few years, people would lose their enthusiasm and energy. i think it's up to political leaders right now to tell the american people this is going to be a long twilight struggle but our survival is at stake. we're not going to look for a surrender on the battleship "missouri" or look to have this massive victory. it's going to be a long, sustained effort. every time something goes wrong we shouldn't be pointing fingers and every time something goes right we can't accuse the cops of being gestapo or spying.

i'm thinking joe lieberman from the democratic party. so we need to find a way to get a national unity. and that depends on our leaders speaking more responsibly. joining us now on the phone, the presumptive democratic presidential nominee hillary clinton. also former secretary of state. madam secretary, i want to ask you about the fight against isis, but first i assume you'd like to address the families of the victims and the orlando community as a whole. >> oh, i definitely would. i think we are all praying for those families who lost their loved ones in this terrible attack. and all of those who are still in the hospital awaiting surgery and other medical care to see how they are going to fare. and also our thoughts should be with the first responders who risked their lives and performed bravely in orlando.

i want to echo something that i heard my friend and former colleague peter king saying as i was listening here. this is a moment for republicans, democrats and independents to work together as one team, the american team. and it's a time for statesmanship, not partisanship. i think that our fellow citizens expect that, and it's a proud part of our history and what makes us exceptional. i remember, we all came together as one nation after 9/11. and we should recapture that spirit. let's have a very clear, rational discussion about what we do right and what we can improve on and how we're going to protect americans, both from the threats of terrorism and isis, how we're going to defeat isis, and how we're going to try to save people's lives from, you know, the epidemic of gun violence. now that we're seeing terrorists use these assault weapons, that

has to be part of the debate. >> the big discussion this morning has been about lone wolves and sometimes really no way to track them. the fbi had been on to the suspect twice, but they didn't have enough. there is another frontier here, and that is online. would you support stronger measures to track behavior online, to try and sort of get a jump on behavior like this? >> yes, i would. i've been calling for that for some time now. we've got to tackle this problem of self-radicalization. i would set up a team dedicated to detecting and preventing lone wolf attacks, and that will mean providing more resources, creating more integration of information among and between all of our law enforcement agencies, strengthening our communication and working with our tech companies to prevent online radicalization.

we've got to get law enforcement the tools they need while also staying true to who we are. and that requires rooting out radicalization in a strong and smart way. not turning on one another. not being divisive. coming together, denying jihadist virtual territory just as we work to deny them actual territory. contest online space, including websites and chat rooms where jihadists communicate. and then do a better job of coordinating and keep hitting this threat at its source in iraq, syria, afghanistan and across the arc of instability. but the final point i would make, let's not play into isis' hands or any of these jihadist narratives. part of their recruitment strategy is to convince would-be recruits that there is a clash of civilization. so declaring war on islam or turning against the muslim

american community is not only wrong. it's counterproductive, and dangerous. so i think we have the building blocks, as i see them. we've just got to really mortar them together and add to them and make insure that we're doing everything we can. >> secretary clinton, it's willie geist. thank you for calling in this morning. as you look at the pieces of this puzzle and what we know so far about this shooter, it appears he was self-radicalized. all he needed was his laptop or iphone to get the ideas he wanted to carry out this act. what do you do about someone like that? what policies could you put in place as president, working with republicans to stop someone like that, a so-called lone wolf? >> i think we also know he was interviewed three times by the fbi. >> right. >> we're not going -- i'm not going to, you know, second guess that. everything looks obvious in hindsight. we're going to have to really examine at and find out what we can do to improve our process

because the fact that he was under periodic fbi surveillance and still able to commit this horrific act of terror and this hate crime, we've got to recognize that what we are doing is going to have to be enhanced. if someone comes to the attention of the fbi, we may have to make sure that person is in some kind of database so that local law enforcement can keep an eye on them as well. and i still am just totally bewildered by the republican congress' refusal to block suspected terrorists from buying guns who are on the no-fly list. and, you know, that's the kind of thing that we just have to now take another look at and get serious. so there will be lessons to be learned from this, willie. and we've got to really be as

focused and disciplined as possible in getting the resources, getting whatever legal or regulatory laws that can help our law enforcement, help keep people safe and as a nation, get united behind this. don't let politics divide us. this is a national threat. >> secretary clinton, joe scarborough here. thank you for calling in. it seems to me that americans too often have to choose one or the other. you can choose a candidate that's going to say we're going after islamic radicalism and we're going to fight like hell to make sure we keep all americans safe, or you had somebody on the other side that says, well, really the problem is we've got to work to integrate muslim americans into our society more and make sure that they buy in more to the american dream. can you assure americans this morning that you can do both? that you cannot only wage an

aggressive all-out assault against islamic radicalism but at the same time, you have the wherewithal to fight every day just as hard to make sure our muslim american brothers and sisters know that they are every bit as part of the american dream as you or me? >> joe, that's exactly what must be done. not only can i do it, i am committed to doing it. i have clearly said many, many times we face terrorist enemies who use islam to justify slaughtering innocent people. we have to stop them and we will. we have to defeat radical jihadist terrorism or radical islamism, whatever you call it. it's the same. but we cannot demonize, demagogue and declare war on an entire religion. that is just dangerous. and it plays into the hands of isis and other jihadist terrorists. and so that's why i have been

focused on how we tackle this issue of self-radicalization. and at the same time, keep reaching out to muslim americans and to make it clear that they are a part of the american family. and they have as big a stake, if not a greater one, in working to bring our country together to stop these attacks, to prevent radicalization. but one thing, hate is not the answer to hate. it is just not the answer. divisiveness is not the answer to people who themselves are divided in their loyalties and beliefs. we've got to stand up against hate. we've got to stand up against terrorism. we've got to put aside our political differences. we have to work together with determination. we may be in the middle of a heated election right now, but we can't let that distract us. division will actually weaken us

and make it harder to defeat this threat which is exactly what the terrorists want. so i am determined to do both. i have a track record of doing both, and that is what the country, i think, has every reason to demand and expect. >> secretary hillary clinton, thank you for being on with us. >> thank you. we greatly appreciate it. what did you think? >> you know, she talked about a lot about how divisive our politics has become. chuck todd has talked about how she and donald trump are two of the most unpopular nominees of either party, and i think the challenge for her is she's done an incredible job uniting the democratic party over the last seven days. the next challenge for her candidacy is see if she can bring on board some of the republicans -- >> which sounds exactly what she was doing right there. >> i stepped off for a minute and was listening to some of her

earlier interviews this morning, and it struck me that she's become student to the republican primary process of this year. that she watched how donald trump defeated other republicans on the single question of strength, and she appears to be determined to not let him gain an inch on her in that question of strong leader. >> david ignatius, your thoughts? >> i had a similar feeling to nicolle. i thought she was trying very much to strike a balance between reaching out to muslim americans, reassuring them and sounding tough and saying she's going to take this fight to isis aggressively. i thought it was very interesting that she used the phrase radical islam. she didn't hold back from that. that's something donald trump in his tweets yesterday have been saying if people don't use this phrase, the president should resign. secretary clinton should stop running. she used the phrase. she wants to tell the country she is a strong, tough leader

who can keep the country safe without going to the extremes of rhetoric that might end up being divisive. >> what were you takeaways? >> what struck me is the measures she proposes that she talks about. none of them would have stopped this case. there's nothing in place that could stop someone whose only traces of radicalization, as far as we know, were being -- >> she talked about stronger tracking online and working with the tech companies and that is the heart of the problem right now with lone wolves. that's the only place you can find their activity. >> in the case of this person we'll find out what he put online. there's a good chance he didn't put very much at all. we'll still have more attacks like this. i'd like to hear her say a little about what we'll do about the inevitability of this. they're going to happen. and they're going to cause trumpian-type reactions that a political leader really needs to get ahead of. >> i thought it was a very good

sign that though first thing she said was that was to associate herself with peter king's remarks. new york congressman. a guy who is tough and has been a tough critic of hers for quite some time. and i think, again, right now she's in the process of unifying democratic party. she now needs to try to unify the nation in a way that it hasn't been unified in some time. what was your take? >> i thought it was pitch perfect. >> the call for bipartisanship was totally admirable. part of what she was talking about was assault-style weapon banns. and if they didn't get together after 26-year-olds were slaughtered in a -- 20 6-year-olds were slaughtered.

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i'll tell you one thing. hate is not the answer to hate. it is just not the answer. divisiveness is not the answer to people who themselves are divided in their loyalties and their beliefs. we've got to stand up against hate. we've got to stand up against terrorism. we've got to put aside our political differences. we have to work together with determination. we may be in the middle of a heated election right now, but we can't let that distract us.

division will actually weaken us. >> that was presidential candidate hillary clinton just moments ago on "morning joe." joining us now, author and "new york times" columnist arand. and dan gross who got involved in the movement after his own brother was shot in a mass shooting terrorist attack back in 1997. in orlando, florida, the state's senior u.s. senator, bill nelson, joins us as well. >> senator nelson, joe scarborough. so good to talk to you. please tell us what you can about the situation there. >> joe, when all the dots are connected, it's going to be terrorist inspired, isis inspired, along with the hate crime of anti-gay. either way, it's terrorism. and terrorism is meant to instill fear. and that's where we have to dig

down deep and overcome this. go on about our daily lives as americans. that's the best way to respond to this and then pray and grieve with the orlando community. >> senator, what policies do we need to look at, re-examine as we move forward post-paris, post-san bernardino n now, sadly, past orlando? >> well, the fbi, for example, had closed the cases. this guy was not on their radar because the cases were closed. maybe what we ought to do where someone has had a case like that, keep it fresh when they go to buy a gun so that that pops up on the background check. that's one thing we can do. another thing that we can do, of course, the nra isn't going to let this happen. there's no sense to have assault

weapons being sold. that's for killing. that's not for hunting. >> you wrote about the orlando attack. this is where orlando is going to take us. >> i was worried last night when i saw trump's statement come out and he talked about how radical islam is the enemy of gay americans and christians and women. and he is going to be the president of all americans and stand up for that. what worried me was it seemed there was an early opportunity at exploitation on the day of, and an effort to do something that i actually think could be scarily effective which is for him to try to broaden his anti-muslim, anti-immigrant coalition. >> he doubled down on the ban. >> he did. and i think he can now try opportunistically to draw in some liberals who fear for their

safety and who are not traditional anti-muslim voters but perhaps see something at a gay nightclub. a nightclub named pulse for the brother of its founder who died of aids. and if there's an opportunity that donald trump sniffs, which i think he seemed to last night to broaden his coalition and not make this a right/left issue but entice a number of people whose lifestyles are threatened under the islamic caliphate that he projects, i think it could be a scary game-changer. >> you think it will work? as bill maher makes this point all the time and ends up in big fights about how muslims are so illiberal. you really think -- >> i don't know that it will work but i know in europe there was -- i was talking last night about a dutch politician in europe who was gay. openly gay and ran an

anti-muslim, anti-immigrant platform. not from the usual grounds but saying my freedom to be gay is threatened in such a world. >> there's a whole other part to this. dan gross, you jump into the conversation, and that's the gun angle. we had two guns here that mowed down over 100 people. at least 49 are dead. wasn't even an assault weapon. it was assault-style. this is where we're at and yet so little can be done. this guy passed background checks, if there were any for him because he had a security job. >> there's a lot that can be done. senator nelson is right. whether it proves to be international terrorism or a hate crime, it's terrorism either way. and our country is terrorized every day. 90 people are killed with guns in our country every single day. many of those people intent on doing harm. many of those people who can't pass a background check but wind up getting a gun anyway. we're not focused on taking certain guns away from all

people but whether or not we could have prevented this specific tragedy. there will prove to be ways to keep guns out of the hands of people intent on doing harm with hatred in their hearts and with an agenda as was clearly the case in this instance. >> before we go, what message would you like to send to floridians n t s and the people america? >> i'm at ground zero for the grieving process. the best thing that this country can do besides praying and offering the wonderful thoughts is the country can unite. not in this political season to divide. we need to come together as a people. >> senator, thank you so much. dan, thank you. anand, thank you. you can come back as well. >> we'll be right back.

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months. we can take the time to pick it apart and not jump on it now, but it definitely feels like something is wrong. and it's gotten worse. and then also tech companies are going to become the next focus on how we address this. >> i feel heartened peter king and hillary clinton had a little overlap today. those are winning days in politics when people in both parties agree on something. >> that does it forrous "morning joe." chris jansing picks up the coverage from orlando right now. good morning. i'm live from orlando and just down the street from the pulse nightclub, the site of the deadliest mass shooting in the united states. new developments. isis now weighing in on the attack, describing the gunman, omar mateen, as, quote, a soldier of the caliphate and bragging about the attack on its fi