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to the next segment because for so many people snapchat has become the coin of the realm. it started life as a way to make video images that were destroyed instantly after one viewing. now, if they are part of the story of your life you are telling on social media, they can live longer than that. there is a snapchat video recorded in the club on the dance floor the night of the attack that's in the news. because it is from one of the victims lost that night. chris jansing is part of the team in orlando, florida. you can tell the rest of the story. >> reporter: well, brian, her name is 25-year-old amanda alvayar, a pharmacy technician. what we have learned from the family is she spent the afternoon with her two nieces -- her brother's daughters. she liked to spoil them, the
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family said. she took them out shopping for clothes. then she got together with friends. they say she was active in the lgbt community and went to the club down the street from where i am standing. at some point during the night they heard the gunshots ring out. they got separated. they didn't know what happened to amanda. she got in touch with them and said she was in the bathroom and the gunman, she could hear the gunman. she posted this video while she was trying to hide to snapchat the last her family and friends will hear from her. let's watch. >> i'm at the club. ♪ [ gunshots ]
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>> reporter: so you see her trying to hide. the gunshots ringing out. her sister-in-law said, not surprisingly, that the family is in shock. one of the things we are finding with the victims, brian, is that on facebook, snapchat, other methods of social media, twitter, families are finding their last connection with their loved ones who were taken so violently. the 49 of them. seeing pictures, videos, postings on facebook even if they were going out. so for many of them it's a way to cope, to feel the connection. another way is going to happen tonight, brian. not far from where i'm standing. they told people don't have a vigil because we are so overtaxed we can't have the police there. we can't have the protection there we want to have, the security we want to have. finally there was so much pressure, people felt they
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needed to come together. they are going to do that tonight outside the dr. phillips center for the performing arts from 7:00 to 10:00. people will have a chance to be with each other. i went by there. it is 93 degrees. the real feel temperature is over a hundred. there were already people gat r gathering. long lines of people donated blood. there were church services. this will be the first formal gathering, a chance to come together, to be together as a community. mourn the loss and celebrate the lives, brian. >> chris jansing in orlando. thanks. that video is useful, tough to watch. but useful because it brings us inside that venue for the first time. it shows plainly on her face the same confusion everyone said they experienced. we heard it after aurora. we heard it after the theater in
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paris. we have heard countless stories of it here. what was that noise? was that noise a part of the music that was playing? had a speaker just blown when, in fact, it was, of course, a gunman. then there are the parents and loved ones who woke up to text messages that there had been trouble sent in realtime though not seen until the next morning. as chris points out, all forms of social and electronic media have been used to convey messages in this case. sean henry is in our newsroom. he was part of the coverage last night. he is a veteran of the fbi, former executive assistant director. he's been a consultant with us for some time now. it's been, what, 12 hours since we last spoke. we have been through a day of renewed incremental
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developments. because the fbi was your line of work i have to ask you this. this disconnect between a young man who was the subject of a ten-month investigation complete enough to have inserted an undercover into his life. yet he goes to legally purchase two firearms, not just any firearms but up-market, expensive, powerful firearms -- one long, one short. nothing is done. the dots aren't connected. is this an issue of the mechanics of databases and, not to diminish it, but software? >> i don't know if you would call it the mechanics of software. if it is a logistics issue there are legal issues here and what people are legally allowed to do under current legislation. that's certainly an issue. you would like to think in the fbi doing a thorough investigation one thing to remember is these investigations are often static. while somebody is being
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investigated, you're talking to neighbors. you might be conducting surveillance, doing interviews over a protracted period of time. you take your findings, sit down, talk to supervisors, others in the organization. prioritize your investigations. at some point a determination is made if you are not able to vet anything or pull any information out, indicating there is a propensity towards violence after the fbi closes that. that goes to a pile. they are onto the next thing. the fbi's resources are limited. they've got to prioritize here. so that's a significant issue here, brian. >> director comey was forthright saying among the things we are looking at is our own behavior and how we conduct business. do you see a fix? >> any time you have a situation like this, absolutely you have to go out and look at the protocols. what happened? did we miss anything? is this on us?
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the bureau needs to do that. you want to make sure it doesn't happen going forward. that will be a significant piece of this investigation by the fbi. >> what else has stood out to you and the beauty of 20/20 hindsight. details about this suspect and details about the investigations we know were conducted? >> you know, the details are going to continue to come out. undercover agent is involved. you've got somebody who traveled internationally. you've got family members now coming forward. talking about bias he may have had. was there mental instability there? when you look at the totality of the circumstances over a long period of time, it is easy to make a conclusion. it's important to understand as the investigations continue, you start to escalate the capabilities or type of invest
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gay invest -- investigative techniques. that's complicated looking at civil liberties, et cetera. when you look at the totality and tragedy that occurred in orlando, absolutely. people will go back, look and say, what happened here? how was this able to happen? did we miss a stone that was not unturned? did we drop the ball? they have to take a look at that for sure. >> we are about to talk with pete williams about what we now know about the travel records of this terrorist. before we do, one more question on mental health which, as it always does, is now entering the conversation. this shooter motivated apparently by anti-lgbt anger because of an incident in miami. here we are again talking about mental health. >> any time we have one of these issues we have this
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conversation. i think the mental health issue is really a significant problem in this country. i have family members who work in that industry, in that part of the health sector. this is such an issue from a homeless perspective. people who are acting out in violence, we are seeing this time and time again. it is something i think as a community or a nation, as a society we have to absolutely address that issue because it seems every single time one of these things occurs we focus back on the mental instability, where were the signs and what were we doing as a society to try to prevent it? >> sean henry, thank you, as always, for joining our team and being part of the story. and now as promised we go to our justice correspondent pete williams who spent these past two days on the story. pete, specifically on retracing steps here, what have we learned
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about the travels of this gunman? >> well, in terms of overseas travel officials confirmed he went overseas twice. in 2011 and 2012 to saudi arabia and again through the united arab emirates. the fbi looked into the travel. they had done it earlier when they investigated omar mateen back when they heard him dragging about being in terror organizations. they enlisted the help of saudi intelligence, ran it down and found no derogatory information, nothing to concern them, in other words. we are told the saudi foreign ministry said he was on muslim pilgrimages. the fbi has found no indication to consider that anything but what is said. so at this point so far in the investigation the overseas
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travel doesn't seem to be concerning them. >> we discussed last hour, you saw the news conference with the gun store owner making clear to reporters that he is absent any culpability here. this was a legal transaction. he did his part. he is a small business owner but after this kind of thing often the gun dealer gets a lot of unwanted attention. >> it was unusual. we have been through it so many times. no gun dealer wants this to happen where the guns you are selling end up used in crimes especially horrific ones like this. so that was unusual that the gun dealer was willing to come out and answer questions. but what he said is right. there was nothing in his background that would have disqualified mateen from making these purchases. nor was there anything to pick up on your point with sean henry to tell the fbi that he had made the purchases because he was no
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longer under investigation and therefore he was off any watch list that would have set up the system to notify the fbi of the sales. he was off the radar. >> our justice correspondent pete williams. thanks as always. >> you bet. >> to washington we go. senator bill nelson, senior senator of florida, democrat, made his way from our conversation in orlando last night to business in washington. you spoke on the senate floor. what was your message? >> the message was the orlando sentinel front page headline with a front page editorial. we will heal. of course it is a grieving community as you would expect. i raised the question -- but why do we have to heal this way?
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what is it going to take to heal? i went into the scriptures of all religions certainly, judaism, christianity and islam and pointed out the golden rule as stated. do unto others. put into street language, treat others how you want to be treated. yet, we have all of these things where hate is brought to the forefront. at the end of the day, pete williams can tell you that all the dots connected will show he was isis-inspired but it was also a hate crime. >> it is a hate crime. it is also mass murder by firearm on that front. senator feinstein was emotional when we talked this morning
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about the following. that's a law denying the sale of firearms to those suspected of terrorist activities. it would seem to millions of americans to be common sense. what is the impediment? >> her legislation says if you are on a terrorist watch list you can't go in and buy a gun. that's going to automatically bring you to the question of are you about to do something if you are on the terrorist list. in this orlando case, that wouldn't have prevented the shooter from getting the guns. what we have to look at some additional legislation where there is an inquiry by the fbi, even though they concluded and closed the case in 2013 and again in 2014. there's got to be some notation
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on the record so it would come up on that fbi background check when that person goes to buy the assault weapon. >> if a law has not passed saying that if you are on a terrorist watch list you cannot buy a handgun or a firearm, who is defending the constituency of those on terrorist watchlists? >> well, in part we haven't gotten this legislation moving because of the politics of the issue. the gun control versus anti-gun control. the question is, brian, we are in a new day. if you're on a terrorist watchlist, i think the essence of your question is how do you get off of it. well, you go and prove to the
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fbi that you are not a terrorist or that they have faulty information. we have a terrorist watchlist for a reason. and that's that we try to protect ourselves as a society. now you can have all kind of safeguards that you can build into the law that will give appeals the right of getting off if it is a mistake. but why do we have a terrorist watchlist? it's for the obvious reason. >> senator bill nelson, florida. thank you very much for joining us two evenings in a row. our continued condolences to your home state. as our coverage goes into another break we want to show you what evening looks like in paris after the attacks in france it was lit in the colors of the french flag. after the attacks in belgium, the belgian flag. well, tonight, in varying colors
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a critical detail above the eiffel tower tonight. that's a depiction of the american flag between the spires. we are going to talk once again to carlos rosario. he was with us last night. he was an eyewitness to the shooting at the pulse nightclub. he was ordering a drink at or before last call. he heard the first shots fired. carlos, how have you been in the last 24 hours since we spoke? >> it's definitely been an emotional roller coaster. just constantly checking on social media and seeing more names pop up and more pictures
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of people that you know longer probably will see. it makes you feel very sad and it's just a really hard time. i hope to get through it, you know, with time. so will the families with time and support i hope they can get through it. >> something we talked about last night. your background is as a medical technician. what did you learn about yourself in the moments after the shooting and what you were forced into doing? >> i'm definitely grateful for my past experience in the medical field, especially with the doctors i worked for before. they installed in me a lot of good beneficial basically techniques to be able to deal with certain situations at certain times. i'm happy i was able to put what
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i practiced and help with whatever i can do. >> what are the stories about the victims, about those who made it out and perhaps those who didn't. she went into surgery, came out and was great. she's doing great now. i was really excited. her mom called me and couldn't thank me enough. i told her it was not me. she did it herself. she was a trooper. she went through the storm and made it out. >> i remember you told us that one of the people you helped had a gunshot wound to the back. have you been able to get any follow up? >> unfortunately i have not been able to. that's the one that's actually on my mind now. i can't find him. i don't have any contact to find
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him. i really do hope he's okay and he's doing a lot better. >> when are you going to give yourself time and get some rest? >> hopefully today. >> i don't want to sound like a parent but like everybody down there you have been through a terrible trauma. you have great blessings. you survived it. but still this is a good time to take care of yourself. carlos rosario, thanks for being with us again. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> again, carlos is one of the lucky ones. another break for us. when we come back, back to the politics that inextricably part of the background and a portion of what hillary clinton said today as we continue a look at those who didn't make it out of the pulse nightclub.
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♪ tresiba® ready ♪ back with live coverage because this was both a hate crime and an act of terrorism it leads to our chief foreign correspondent richard engel ins i st-- in istanbul, turkey. i don't imagine you were surprised to read that he made comments to a 911 operator about isis and isis claimed him after the fact as a fellow soldier, one of their own.
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>> it sounds like this had little to do with isis directly. it was a deranged person who wanted to carry out this hateful act and wanted it to be of some political significance. he claimed he was part of isis and isis no doubt will take credit for this kind of attack. has taken credit for this attack. today on isis radio you can hear the celebrations as they were saying a soldier of the caliphate murdered these people in florida. it's not coming from the violence, the group in syria and iraq. the group captured the imagination of extremists like this man around the world. so much so that when they carry out the violence they want to be known they did it in the name of isis. it's a problem. >> something you just said, isis radio, how does one listen to
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isis radio and what's on it? >> they stream it mostly. you could hear it locally if you're in an isis area. we rely on witness reports. they also put most of their stuff online. a lot of the point of isis is about controlling the message, both internally and externally. they want their people to be living and breathing isis propaganda constantly. when they have an opportunity to talk about it, they shout from the rooftops. that's what isis has been doing really all day today. it can't get gross enough. it can't get too violent for them. as a radicalization tool, as a recruitment tool, even in a case
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where loosely this guy in florida, a security guard is being called self-radicalized and even though he seems to list heroes that are from a different aspect of the world of terrorism. >> that's not that unusual. because the same kind of person who would join the al qaeda-backed nusra front is the same kind of person generally who would join isis. there were quite a few occasions where a militant gets to syria and will join one group, then decide the group isn't exactly his flavor, will leave and join another. on the battlefield the groups hate each other. they are drawing from the same pool of recruits. someone who says they want to fight for al qaeda could easily change his mind and say they want to fight for isis, even though the two groups definitely
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despise each other on the battlefield and spend most of the time killing each other as much as infidels and other outsiders. >> richard engel in istanbul, turkey. a man who spent years of his life covering terrorism and the war on terrorism. thank you. to domestic politics we go. cleveland, ohio. casey hunt following the clinton campaign. start us off with the speech the former secretary of state gave tod today. a lot more to the traditional day after a national disaster speech than the one we heard from donald trump in a way. >> reporter: brian, everything about this hillary clinton speech was oriented towards, as one aide put it, putting patriotism over partisanship. that was the message they were trying to send with everything
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from the stage craft. there were no hillary clinton signs on the podium. no hillary clinton signs in the audience. they played classical music over the speakers. she didn't walk in to the normal music or out to katy perry's "roar." what she talked about was in this nonpartisan vein of national security speech in many ways. she talked about foreign policy, for example. getting the gulf states to stop funding terrorism or allowing citizens to fund terrorism. she talked about military policy, ramping up in syria. she talked about domestic policy which of course very political. gun control, banning assault weapons. that's been an intense focus for democrats in the wake of each of the terrible vents. i have to tell you, brian, i was most struck by the end of the speech. she actually referenced and talked positively about george w. bush and his reaction after 9/11. >> i remember how it felt on the day after 9/11.
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i bet many of you do as well. president bush went to a muslim community center just six days after the attacks to send a message of unity and solidarity to anyone who wanted to take out their anger on our muslim neighbors and and fellow citizens, he said, that should not and that will not stand in america. it is time to get back to the spirit of those days. the spirit of 9/12. >> reporter: remarkable. many of trump's republican opponents struggled in the primary with his kind of new way of approaching this campaign of the way he responded quickly on twitter. the usually cautious approach by the clinton campaign was viewed as a potential liability, something she would have to overcome as she struggled to run in a general election against someone who can generate so much
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media coverage by tweeting very easily. of course they are trying to turn it into an asset. that's what they have been focused on today. >> that's the cleft right there of what the other side defines as the kind of political correctness that if left unchecked and if allowed to continue will, as they sometimes say, kill us all. today she went there rhetorically. >> she did, think. what she left unsaid was as important as what she did say out loud. donald trump himself provided the contrast. he was obviously looking for it. you heard a different tone from him. now we are hearing on facebook he's going to ban the washington post. it's not 100% clear why he wants to do that, which story set it off although they did write this morning about comments he made suggesting in the post headline that he potentially linked
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president obama to the shootings by saying, quote, we are led by a man that either is not that tough, that smart or he's got something else in mind. the washington post put it under the headline donald trump seems to connect president obama to orlando shooting. of course the post has been covering trump extensively over the last months as well. it is possible there are other things that contributed to this. not the first organization that donald trump has refused to credential for his events. this started with the des moines register. that institution of iowa political coverage that got banned early on in the primary process, brian. >> as someone who covers campaigns in 2016 with all that means, what does it mean for members of the audience who hear the washington post is having their credentials pulled. often when you cover the presidency, a campaign, being on the plane. being in the motorcades, buses and hotels means access to
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campaign aides. sometimes the principal, incumbent, candidate. what does it mean and how much can they cover by sitting in the offices of the washington post or coming to events as civilians. >> this is a little bit of a tricky one, especially when you are talking about a candidate with a reputation for being accessible to the media. so many interviews day in, day out. in other instances access is more limited to the principal. being on the road is important. an opportunity that you don't otherwise have. you can get caught up in the bubble. it's one vantage point for how the campaign is going. add it to the mix of other vantage points we are able to have. this means a lack of access to his rallies. donald trump doesn't yet have that traditional protective press pool. he doesn't fly reporters on the
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plane the way many candidates have. he doesn't have reporters trailing him to every stop. it's not unusual at this stage in the process. we are about to hit the point where it would be standard procedure. it's not clear if the trump campaign is going that route. but this, of course, in many ways isn't entirely unprecedented. john mccain's campaign banned the "new york times" after they wrote a story that insinuated he had potentially had an affair with a lobbyist. the "new york times" said, you know, we'll cover you anyway. they went ahead and did that. we have the washington post executive editor saying this is a repudiation of the free and independent press. we are proud of our coverage and will continue to do it. it can be a hurdle but on the other hand, i don't think there will be any backing off of the washington post coverage because of this. >> all right. casey hunt in cleveland, ohio, the site of hillary clinton's speech today in lieu of a planned debut after the obama
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endorsement with president obama in green bay, wisconsin. casey, thank you. we are going to take a break and when we come back it was dicey, it was touch and go for many hours. but today we can safely report we have a survivor story from hospital bedside. that and more when our coverage continues. discover card. customer service! ma'am. this isn't a computer... wait. you're real? with discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u.s., like me, anytime. wow. this is a recording.
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we are back. nbc correspondent janet shamlian was one of the first of our team to arrive in orlando. she's been stationed in and around the orlando regional medical center where we followed
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through her the story of one of the wounded victims from inside the nightclub. janet? >> reporter: brian, this is the first time we are hearing from anyone who was in the club who went through the whole evening and came out alive. tony marerro is just out of intensive care. he just had a tube taken out of his throat. his family is, of course, overjoyed. he told me he's in a lot of pain. he's very soft-spoken. keep it in mind as we listen to his words, what he went through inside that club. >> i remember the comes asking are you alive? is somebody alive? started asking if anybody is alive, just put your hand up. but apparently the guy was making it seem like he was a victim also. so he got on the floor, too. the guy played like he was one of the victims, too.
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the come that was closer to me, he told me, can you drag yourself out of here? my hand, when he shoved me in the back, this hand right here got destroyed. i never gave up on anything. i'm a survivor. i never give up. i dragged myself with a little bit of strength that i had. i drag myself to the come. he grabbed me by my hand and started dragging me by himself. i'm so grateful. i didn't get his last name, the officer that dragged me out of there. but he knows who he is. if he sees this video, thank you so much. >> reporter: actually we have a late update. tony's father has just called me and told me they now know the name of the orlando police officer who saved tony's life.
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it is michael mules of the orlando police department. they are asking if we can help facilitate a meeting. tony would very much like to talk to this police officer. he has not, in fact, talked to any officers, not even given his account yet, brian, to authorities. he's just out of intensive care sharing the stories with his parents and then with us. i will tell you he's emotionally fragile. he was in there with his best friend. they became separated. he lost his best friend. the young man didn't make it out. they were both -- worked on the harry potter amusement ride at the park. his name is luis viello. sadly, we lost him. tony was very happy to be with his family. understandably, he felt a little bit guilty that he didn't do more. of course he couldn't have. now he's hoping to meet michael, the man who saved his life. >> one note you mentioned one of
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the names. luis was one of two nbc universal employees lost. we arrived this morning to a signed letter to all employees from our ceo to that effect. one employee at universal theme park, the other at our sister spanish language network telemundo, worked at a children's show there. janet, back to one of the first remarks he gives in the remarkable interview. is he talking about the gunman making as if he was among the wounded? >> reporter: yes. what isn't clear is when that happened in the progression of events through the evening? was it early, late? tony wasn't in a position to be talking for a long time. we are not really sure. he said the gunman got down on the ground like other people at some point to pretend -- so he couldn't be seen. i thought what was compelling about that were the police
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officers walking into a room where all they could see were bodies and blood. what did they do? they just asked. is anyone in here alive? knowing these people so grief and fear-stricken would be perhaps playing dead to try to save their lives. that's how they found the people still there on the ground playing dead that they could get out at that point. >> imagine the scene. they had close to 40 bodies inside that club. we have been revising, by the way, in our coverage the death toll. the death toll is 49. and the gunman who caused it all. but the most basic level and most gruesome level of triage possible going through, asking people to move a limb to offer proof of life. janet, the first way we were all drawn into the story was when you got to know his mom. listening to her talk about her
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son, details were sketchy at first. we have come full circle now while he's heavily medicated, badly hurting and badly wounded. we can at least hear from him now. >> reporter: i asked her, did you think he was gone when you were crying and couldn't find his name on a list. she said, i was certain of it. hours later that news, yes. your son is alive. he can't talk. he's been shot four times, three through the back. the bullets came out the front. no vital organs damaged. hard to call it anything but a miracle. >> janet, thank you very much for your reporting these past 24 hours. another break for us. our coverage will continue. welcome to opportunity's knocking,
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>> as we've been saying, this was two things. this was a hate crime, obviously, and terrorism, obviously and when you think of orlando, when you see orlando, when you travel there, most of us see the airport and then the resort hotels, the theme parks but there is the city of orlando and the robust night life we have learned about where this is a tremendous story of local impact. craig melvin is part of our team reporting from down there, and craig, regarding your approximaproximity, we have seen you guys reporting from there all day. can i ask you to show us now well-known sign of nightclub behind you to see us how close you are? >> reporter: i'll give you perspective, brian. i'd say eyeballing it, we're roughly 200 yards from the pulse
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nightclub, and there is a good vantage point right there. just behind, just beyond that nightclub sign, if you look closely, you can see a duncan donut sign there. there is a fellow that lives on the other side of that dunkin donuts. his name is jose. he was 2:00 saturday morning at his home. he had been out himself that night and he said he came in and he gotten up to use the restroom and he described to me earlier what he heard next. here he is. >> around 1:56 i got up and like around 2:00, 2:05 i heard the first gunshots. i live right in front of the club. i always see the club. i observe a man that was walking from an suv completely armed and what i thought was ak but when i looked, it was an ar-15. he proceeded to kill three people. i duck down. the police came and had a
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shootout and after that he decided to go inside where he secluded himself and you could hear the shooting from in there like he was killing people left and right. >> you saw him get inside the club? >> yeah. >> reporter: how? >> well, what he did when he shot the three people, he broke the glass part, there was like a glass part there. he shot that part and walked right into the place because he was in a shootout with police. >> reporter: he shot the window out and went inside. >> yeah, the window on the left hand side. >> reporter: in addition to the gunshots, what else were you hearing? >> i was hearing people -- >> reporter: was he screaming anything? >> not really. he was concentrating on targets, pretty much looking at the view of the rifle and deciding just to go by people by people. there was no, no doubts in his mind what he was trying to compensate with nobody. he was just there to shoot people and kill people left and right with no remorse, whatsoever which was the scary part because i never seen this before in my life, never.
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>> reporter: brian, the area that you're looking at right now, that is still an active crime scene investigation. there are a number of people who have not been allowed to return to their homes or get their cars since saturday. jose calome one of them. hey has not been given any indication when he can expect to return. he also said that after watching all of that, all of what he just described there, he stood there for another hour or two watching the first responders show up. watching family members and loved ones show up. he said he had never seen anything like it in his life. he hopes to never see anything like it again. said it was just a completely surreal scene. >> these witness accounts are just unbelievable. one upon the next and they give new definition to cold-blooded.
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